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by afew Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 12:13:52 PM EST

Time for one of these


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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 12:15:05 PM EST
one note at a time?


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 12:55:10 PM EST
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It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 12:19:19 PM EST
{snigger}



keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 12:52:15 PM EST
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Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot
by ATinNM on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 01:55:28 PM EST
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which will be good for John McCain

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 02:10:40 PM EST
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Romney Volunteers Going Door-To-Door To Let Obama Supporters Know President's Dead | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
In a last-ditch effort to win a few more votes in the key swing state of Ohio, Mitt Romney campaign volunteers made door-to-door visits to homes of registered Democrats on Monday to personally let them know that the president had died. "This is very difficult to say, but yeah, Barack Obama actually died early this morning, so he's not running for president anymore," Romney supporter Marcia Higgins reportedly told a family of four, calling the president's sudden death "extremely tragic," but adding that it's important for voters to keep the fact that he died in mind when they go to the polls tomorrow.


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 06:52:48 PM EST
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Not as funny as this true one:

According to a report by Phoenix, Arizona's NBC affiliate, Rep. Jeff Flake's (R-AZ) U.S. Senate campaign called Democratic voters telling them to vote in the wrong precinct -- in some cases as much as 11 miles away from their actual polling place. After telling the Democratic voters to vote in the wrong place, the calls also encourage the voter to "vote Flake for U.S. Senate."

This guy is running for the U.S. Senate for crying out loud. Not dog catcher or fence walker... unfrickingbelieveable.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/11/05/1137841/arizona-gop-senate-candidate-robocalls-democrats -and-tells-them-to-vote-in-the-wrong-place/

by asdf on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 07:59:06 PM EST
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Rick Perlstein has an interesting piece: The Long Con: Mail-order conservatism
by Bernard on Tue Nov 6th, 2012 at 07:40:26 AM EST
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this sounds interesting

http://gamelab.mit.edu/games/a-slower-speed-of-light/

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 01:05:21 PM EST
From today's Democracy Now!

Heavily Armed Police Carry Out Colorado Eviction

Video has emerged from Colorado of a heavily armed police contingent carrying out an eviction order at the home of a woman in Idaho Springs. Sixty-three year-old Sahara Donahue had enlisted the help of local Occupy activists after U.S. Bank ordered her to vacate her foreclosed home of 24 years. When the activists set up a barricade to delay the eviction last week, at least ten truckloads of police reportedly arrived at the scene, carrying heavy weaponry. The police forced the activists onto the ground at gunpoint before barging into the home and carrying out the eviction.

Just the beginning.

The good news ... it's only a life sentence. You eventually leave this planet of idiots.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 01:21:01 PM EST
Sounds very heavy, as in that doesn't sound like the whole story

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 01:29:54 PM EST
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When/If you get the "whole story", please post it ... I'd love to see it.

The good news ... it's only a life sentence. You eventually leave this planet of idiots.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 07:37:14 PM EST
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She was behind on her mortgage, and there was a suggestion of trouble at the eviction. Standard process (at least in Colorado) is to use a SWAT team in these situations. Not uncommon.
by asdf on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 08:03:39 PM EST
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Police have phased out "minimum force".

It's now "acceptable range of force". (As with the teenage girl who was tazed in the groin.)


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by Number 6 on Tue Nov 6th, 2012 at 09:41:43 AM EST
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A delicious radio rant about the Govt policy of exporting the homeless and people on benefits from London out into the regions

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 01:27:18 PM EST
Delingpole and Logical falacies

http://www.fivechinesecrackers.com/2012/11/james-delingpole-not-very-good.html

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 01:32:02 PM EST
Delingpole was on the telly last week about something or other. I watched in awe because his arguments were so shallow and flawed that I had a hard time believing he was there for any other reason than comedic effect. They ought to keep him away from the public because he does not serve his cause well

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 02:09:16 PM EST
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Ynet
הרב הראשי לישראל בהחלטה מהפכנית: מזהיר מפני אכילת ירקות עלים "ללא חרקים", וקובע כי אכילתם מסכנת באופן ודאי את בריאות הציבור, בשל שימוש מוגבר בחומרי הדברה אסורים. ההמלצה: לרכוש ירקות רגילים ולנקותם "כמו פעם"
Translation
The Israeli Chief Rabbi [actually the Sephardic one] in a revolutionary decision: Warns from eating leafy vegetables that are "bug-free" and rules that eating them definitely harms the public health, because of the increased use of prohibited pesticides. His recommendation: to buy normal vegetables and clean them "as we used to do".
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 01:39:12 PM EST
He could be right.

Survey: Israel heaviest user of pesticides

Israel uses more pesticides in its farm fields than any other Western country, a survey of agricultural practices by its Central Bureau of Statistics found.

The survey found Israel spread more pesticides between 2008 and 2010 than any other country in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which includes 34 countries, The Jerusalem Post reported Thursday.

Israeli farmers on average use 3.5 tons of pesticides per 100 hectares (240 acres), while the next-highest number belongs to Japan at 1.55 tons per 100 hectares.

The lowest user of pesticides in the OECD, Sweden, uses 88 pounds per 240 acres.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 02:43:20 PM EST
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Is Israel a "Western" country?

Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 03:51:19 PM EST
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If OECD = Western, yes.

Otherwise, that's too hard a nut for me to crack.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 03:54:26 PM EST
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Let's see, it's a nominal parliamentary republic dominated by an expansionist politico-military complex.  Among its closest allies are the US, Britain, and Germany.  Seems pretty Western to me.

Now where are we going and what's with the handbasket?
by budr on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 04:10:44 PM EST
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But with a senior government official attacking the use of pesticides? Sounds a bit less "Western".
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Nov 6th, 2012 at 02:00:48 AM EST
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France is also a very heavy user of pesticides.  I was quite surprised to find that out.
by stevesim on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 03:55:46 PM EST
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China has lodged a complaint against the EU for subsidies for green energy at the World Trade Organisation.

http://www.20min.ch/ro/news/monde/story/La-Chine-contre-les-aides-de-l-UE-aux-energies-vertes-187729 70

by stevesim on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 04:00:37 PM EST
I haven't been around much lately. Part of it has been work, which continues to keep me busy, but part of it is that we have just bought a house by the sea and have been busy taking it over and spending the holiday time there. We had no internet until this week-end (which is when I came back to Paris, of course), but we do have a nice view...

And I'm pleased to say that we're actually quite close to one of the sites selected in the tender earlier this year for offshore wind farms in France, so we should actually see (by very clear weather) some turbines in a few years' time!

Wind power

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 04:05:52 PM EST
Very nice.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 04:18:28 PM EST
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wtf happened to Fini today? between the overt fascists yelling into a church at a funeral hurling insults at Fini, i thought my head would explode watching this, what's going on?

"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 05:22:19 PM EST
November 5 edition, this time with reduced content in foreign.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 05:41:11 PM EST
Swedish c.bank debt worry now explicit in policy hardening | Reuters

The more hawkish majority - currently Ingves, Jansson as well as Barbro Wickman-Parak and Kerstin af Jochnick - has referred to household debt occasionally as a reason to keep rates higher.

The most dovish member of the board, Deputy Governor Lars Svensson, has argued the repo rate is the wrong tool if debt is to be kept down.

Just pointing out that the Swedish CB is pretty open with voting results and minority opinions. Which is a good thing. That it took them so long to realise that there is a bubble is less good.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Tue Nov 6th, 2012 at 10:38:43 AM EST
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This is more of an excuse for hawks to raise rates when their usual monetarist inflation targetting doesn't allow it. This is key:
The most dovish member of the board, Deputy Governor Lars Svensson, has argued the repo rate is the wrong tool if debt is to be kept down.
If you raise rates you may kill productive economic activity. What the CB can do it use its role as a banking supervisor to curtail lending into the household bubble directly by changing the way household debt (as bank assets) is treated in capital adequacy assessments, or the haircuts applied to it if it is used for CB liquidity.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 7th, 2012 at 05:47:52 PM EST
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Two years ago, this was the line-up:

European Tribune - Housing bubble in Sweden going pop?

After teh election, the warning was renewed and after some debate an interesting line-up formed. On one hand the central bank and the real estate salesmen denied that a bubble could be predicted at all. The central bank because bubbles can not be known in their limited world and the salesmen because everybody knows that prices go up-up-up. On the other side was Bostadskreditnämnden, the treasury and the largest banks.

So the ceiling for large percentage of the houseprice you can borrow was lowered to the applause of the big banks. This was in October. Since then nothing much has happened, prices has continued up.

(Inserted a "not" for clarity.)

Now at least the bubble is recognised (as it appears to have stalled but refuses to deflate). Which means stuff like the CB boss calling for legislation to cap indebtness at 200% of household earnings (presumably for new loans).

Copied because these pages are temporary:

Stefan Ingves efterlyser skuldtak
Hushållens skuldsättning stod i centrum när riksbankschefen Stefan Ingves frågades ut i Finansutskottet i dag.

Ingves sade att han vill se ett tak för hur hög skuldsättning som kan tillåtas i förhållande till inkomst. I dag uppgår de svenska hushållens skulder i genomsnitt till 170 procent av den disponibla inkomsten.

-Min personliga uppfattning är att 200 procent är ett tak, sade Ingves.

Vice riksbankschef Per Jansson sade att han varit beredd att rösta för en räntesänkning senast om det inte vore för den höga skuldsättningen.

So that is why I say it is a step in the right direction.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 08:30:28 AM EST
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Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 07:00:11 PM EST
Twitter / realDonaldTrump: It's extremely cold in NY ...
It's extremely cold in NY & NJ--not good for flood victims. Where is global warming?


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 07:03:33 PM EST
Any volunteers for a diary on the Gallois report/growth pact?

(yeah I thought not)

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Tue Nov 6th, 2012 at 08:46:20 AM EST
Too right.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Nov 6th, 2012 at 09:07:49 AM EST
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by vbo on Tue Nov 6th, 2012 at 10:47:58 AM EST


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