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by dvx Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 11:55:58 AM EST

So, um, what's new?


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by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 11:58:13 AM EST
I have been experiencing a very interesting phenomenon -  my eyesight is improving remarkably practically overnight.  I am myopic and needed glasses to watch television from this distance.  I don't need to anymore but what's also interesting is how quickly I forget to put them on when turning on the television.  
by stevesim on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 12:04:29 PM EST
Diet? Exercise? Weird drugs?... Prayer?

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 12:06:06 PM EST
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I don't know what to attribute this to.  I have made some changes to both my diet and my daily routine.  I have been googling to see if perhaps it's an ominous sign wrt my health, but I haven't found anything so far.  Still, I think I should consult a health professional.

Interestingly, I can see just as clearly up close.  No change there.  

by stevesim on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 12:22:33 PM EST
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Aldous Huxley and Tibetan eye exercises.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 12:32:26 PM EST
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been drinking carrot juice by chance?

i noticed similar effects from that many times. if you changed your diet for the better recently, it could very well be a side effect of that. it's possible you had a vit A deficiency and had become used to that as the norm, while now you have better functioning eyesight.

any other systems upgrades, while we're on the subject? ;)

"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 05:29:59 PM EST
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How odd. Only thing I can think of is diabetes or (apparently on it's own) blood sugar.

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by Number 6 on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 12:43:51 PM EST
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yes, that is what I was thinking as well.
by stevesim on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 12:59:58 PM EST
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Could be beginning Presbyopia. If you are strongly myopic early Presbyopia can manifest as better eyesight as it takes out some of the myopia.

Otherwise migraine can have strange effects on eyesight, but then again it usually has other effects that are easily noticable. So that is probably not it. Could be something else neurological, but nothing I have heard of.

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 03:55:28 PM EST
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November 8 edition.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 03:42:53 PM EST
I didn't have time to figure out what you were doing until today.

paul spencer
by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 04:24:22 PM EST
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I'm not doing much of anything - it takes your twitter feed and composes a paper for you. I do tweak the order of the stories and which are up in the headlines "above the fold".

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 04:32:29 PM EST
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Cara chanceler Merkel (English)
We start by saying we address you only as chancellor of Germany. We did not vote for you and do not acknowledge the existence of a chancellor of Europe. We, the subscribers of this open letter, write to you as free citizens. Citizens of a country you wish to visit on the next 12th of November, as well as citizens in solidarity with all the countries attacked by austerity. Due to the character of the announced visit, those who have to struggle daily with the dire economic and social situation in Portugal, must stress that you are not welcome. You should be considered persona non grata in Portuguese territory because you clearly come to interfere with the Portuguese State's decisions without being democratically mandated by those who live here.

Even so, because our government has of late ceased to obide with the laws of this country and its Republican constitution, we address this letter directly to you. The presence of many great businessman in your entourage is an outrage. Under the guise of "foreign investment", you will bring a group of people that will come to plunder the ruins in which your policies have left the Portuguese economy, as well as those of Greece, Ireland, Italy and Spain. Your delegation is composed not only by those who have coerced the Portuguese state, with the connivance of its government, to privatize it's property and most valuable assets, but also by the potential beneficiaries of those properties and assets, bought today at fire-sale prices.

This letter cannot and should not be seen as any sort of nationalist of chauvinist vindication - it's a direct address to you as the chief promoter of the Neoliberal doctrine which is ruining Europe. We do not address the German people who have all the democratic legitimacy to elect whomever they want for their representative offices. However, in this country where we live, your name was never on any ballot. We did not elect you. As such, we do not recognize you the right to represent us and even less the right to make political decisions on our behalf.



I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 03:50:21 PM EST
Very moving language. Hate to bring up the H word but if this was Uncle Adolph coming to inspect his conquered territories, which is what you represent, what would you do? Send this same letter?

The good news ... it's only a life sentence. You eventually leave this planet of idiots.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 04:30:47 PM EST
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Nanoscale Device Makes Light Travel Infinitely Fast.

I love Science "reporting."

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot

by ATinNM on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 03:50:53 PM EST
An impressive specimen.

Von überall könnte das Volk, Urbrut alles Undemokratischen, Zelle des Terrors, über die gewählten Hüter von Wachstum und Wohlstand® kommen. - flatter
by generic on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 04:20:42 PM EST
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the reason why light refracts is that it traverses a boundary between two media in which it travels at different velocities. So, if you have zero refraction, it doesn't mean that light is traveling "infinitely fast". It simply means that you have two media in which it travels at the same velocity. I cede the floor to Mig. before I go on an insulting diatribe.

The good news ... it's only a life sentence. You eventually leave this planet of idiots.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 04:39:22 PM EST
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The refractive index is the ratio of the "optical path length" to the "actual path length" for a light wave. A refractive index of zero in a region has to mean that the phase of the wave is constant in the region. You can see the constancy of the phase on the right hand side of the image accompanying the article:

Within the carefully sculpted waveguide, (left) light waves typically overlap to make a banded pattern (middle). However, depending on the width of the waveguide, waves of a certain wavelengthfrequency travel without changing phaseinfinitely fast, making the whole waveguide light up.



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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 05:00:22 PM EST
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I'm thinking there's nothing surprising at all in this, even though it is a remarkable feat to be able to build a waveguide in which this effect manifests itself for a visible wavelength:
The device consists of a rectangular bar of insulating silicon dioxide 85 nanometers thick and 2000 nanometers long surrounded by conducing silver, which light generally doesn't penetrate. The result is a light-conveying chamber called a waveguide. Researchers fashioned different devices in which the width of the silicon dioxide ranged from 120 to 400 nanometers, as they report in a paper in press at Physical Review Letters.

Light behaves differently in such a waveguide, because the electromagnetic fields must obey certain "boundary conditions" on the sides of the device. Short-wavelength light bounces back and forth between the ends of the guide, and the peaks and troughs of the counter-propagating light waves overlap to create a pattern of bright and dark bands much like the pressure patterns with a ringing organ pipe. Above a "cutoff" wavelength, light doesn't flow at all.

Right at the cutoff wavelength, things get interesting. Instead of producing a banded pattern, the whole waveguide lights up. That means that instead of acting as waves with equally spaced peaks, or "phase fronts," the wave behaves as if its peaks are moving infinitely fast and are everywhere at once. So the light oscillates in synchrony along the length of the waveguide.

The refractive index must be zero at the boundary between travelling waves and evanescent waves. The older engineer types on ET shouldn't find any of this surprising.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 05:36:45 AM EST
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How very meta. Science reporting, to quote the article itself:
In theory it's easy; experimentally it's very hard.


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by Number 6 on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 05:29:09 AM EST
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ABB Announces World's First Circuit Breaker for HVDC

Switzerland-based ABB today announced that it has developed the world's first circuit breaker for high voltage direct current (HVDC), solving what it says has been "a 100-year-old electrical engineering puzzle and paving the way for a more efficient and reliable electricity supply system." The breakthrough holds promise not just for renewables development but also for all types of generation that nations and regions wish to transmit over long distances, including under large bodies of water.

The HVDC circuit breaker combines very fast mechanics with power electronics, and will be capable of "interrupting" power flows equivalent to the output of a large power station within 5 milliseconds, the company says.

The breakthrough removes a 100-year-old barrier to the development of DC transmission grids, which will enable the efficient integration and exchange of renewable energy. DC grids will also improve grid reliability and enhance the capability of existing AC networks, the company says. ABB is in discussions with power utilities to identify pilot projects for the new development.



Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 04:50:58 PM EST
ABB Announces World's First Circuit Breaker for HVDC :: POWER Magazine
China in particular is investing heavily in HVDC and ultrahigh voltage DC as a way to economically connect generation and consumption regions because "The floor price of UHV transmission is . . . lower than the cost of transporting coal the same distance."
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 01:51:27 AM EST
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Huh. Didn't know you could transmit high voltage DC - something about overheating?

Apparently there are plenty of links already in place.


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by Number 6 on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 05:34:55 AM EST
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One advantage of HVDC long distance transmission is that, so long as the origin and terminus are near the ocean, only one path is required per circiut. Another is that there is no phase mismatch potential. Set against that is the inability to transform the ratios between voltage and current, as can be done with AC transformers, and the need to convert the delivered power to AC in order to use it on the grid.

 Even with AC transmission the ability to interrupt the circuit has been a serious constraint. Forty to fifty years ago fuses were the only means to interrupt high currents and having to replace a high current fuse is more disruptive and expensive than having to re-set a circuit breaker. Part of the upgrades needed to allow schools to deploy computers in quantity was modernizing the main electrical panels for the sites. This often meant replacing panels that relied on fuses with modern, high current AC circuit breakers.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 10:35:30 AM EST
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the serious people think Eurozone faces brinkmanship on Greece (Peter Spiegel, FT, November 8, 2012)
Eurozone leaders face a new round of brinkmanship over Greece's €174bn bailout after international lenders failed to bridge differences on how to reduce Athens' burgeoning debt levels, pushing the country perilously close to defaulting on a €5bn debt payment due next week.

...

Further complicating negotiations, officials said the IMF is insisting Greek debt levels are reduced to 120 per cent of gross domestic product by 2020, while the European Commission is urging an easing of the target to about 125 per cent by 2022.

One senior official said that if negotiators are forced to accept the IMF's stance, eurozone governments may have to take losses on their existing bailout loans, a politically explosive result that has already been rejected by Berlin and other northern eurozone countries fearful of backlash from their national parliaments.



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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 05:17:47 PM EST
FiveThirtyEight: As Nation and Parties Change, Republicans Are at an Electoral College Disadvantage (November 8, 2012)

The worry for Republicans is that Mr. Obama won Colorado by nearly five percentage points (4.7 points was his margin there, to the decimal place). In contrast, Mr. Obama's margin in the national popular vote, as of this writing, is 2.4 percentage points. We estimate that it will grow to 2.5 percentage points once some remaining returns from states like Washington are accounted for, or perhaps slightly higher once provisional ballots in other states are counted. But it seems clear that Mr. Obama had some margin to spare in the Electoral College.

Had the popular vote been a tie - assuming that the margin in each state shifted uniformly - he would still have won re-election with 285 electoral votes, carrying Colorado and Virginia, although losing Florida and Ohio.

In fact, had Mr. Romney won the popular vote by two percentage points, Mr. Obama would still have won the Electoral College, losing Virginia but holding onto Colorado.



I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 05:23:13 PM EST
Another sign 2008 was a Change Election.  Went through this in the 70s when the New Deal coalitions started falling apart.  

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot
by ATinNM on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 06:05:25 PM EST
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Nice to finally be on the other side of the realignment, eh?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 07:11:41 PM EST
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Conversely, after North Carolina, you'd need rather major voting pattern changes to have the Dems win more states...


Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 11th, 2012 at 05:31:36 AM EST
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Cruising the blogs is fun.  The GOP is still in a world of butt hurt.  


Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot
by ATinNM on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 05:55:54 PM EST
Beppe Grillo's Blog
"Congratulations everyone!! This country has truly changed, and I believe there will be no going back. Hate lost today. That is amazing in and of itself. And all the women who were elected tonight! A total rebuke of neanderthal attitudes.

Now the real work begins. Millions of us must come together to insist that President Obama and the Democrats stand up and fight and, if the House doesn't want to play ball, do a massive "end run" around them. Likewise, we have to have Obama's back. As he is blocked and attacked by the Right, we need to be there with him. We are the majority. Let's act like it.

And please Mr. President, make the banks and Wall Street pay. You're the boss, not them. Lead the fight to get money out of politics - the spending on this election is shameful and dangerous. Don't wait til 2014 to bring the troops home - bring 'em home now. Stop the drone strikes on civilians. End the senseless war on drugs. Act like a mother*** when it comes to climate change - ignore the nuts and fix this now. Take the profit motive out of things that any civilized country would say, "this is for the common good." Make higher educational affordable for everyone and don't send 22-year olds out into the world already in debt. Order a moratorium on home foreclosures and evictions. There are ways to create good-paying jobs - I have some ideas, if you've got a minute. Make your second term historical!

Finally thanks to the Occupy movement who, a year ago, set the tone of this election heart with "the 1% vs. everybody else" - and inspired Obama and his campaign to realize that there was huge popular sentiment against what the wealthy have done. And that led to Romney's ""47%" remarks which was the beginning of the end of his campaign. Thank you Mother Jones for releasing that secret tape and thank you to the minimum wage worker who did the secret taping. Thank you Sandra Fluke for enduing the insults hurled at you and becoming an important grass-roots leader. Thank you Todd Akin for... well, for just being you. Thank you CEOs of Chrysler and GM for coming out forcefully against a Republican candidate, saying he lived in "an alternate universe" when he lied about Jeep. Thank you for Governor Cristie for being the final nail in the coffin.

And thank you Mother Nature, in all your horrific damage you caused last week, you became, ironically, the undoing of a Party that didn't believe in you or your climate changing powers. Perhaps they'll believe now." Michael Moore

MM joins the 5* moVement, lol

"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 06:06:00 PM EST
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 06:13:13 PM EST
Florida has been called for Obama.

Yay!

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 07:10:25 PM EST
Go Nate!

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 07:12:28 PM EST
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As Bill Maher said, this election was a victory for pot, gay marriage and math.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 07:13:18 PM EST
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Republican strategist Karl Rove, a Fox News contributor, predicted an electoral college win for Romney, 285 to 253. Rove projected Romney victories in the battleground states of Virginia, New Hampshire, Ohio, Iowa and Colorado -- all of which the GOP nominee lost. Rove also said Romney would take Florida ...

Way to pick 'em, asshole.


Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot

by ATinNM on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 07:18:54 PM EST
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Got a link?

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot
by ATinNM on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 07:25:53 PM EST
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Indeed, I do.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 07:27:30 PM EST
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Celebration preliminary.

Florida still hasn't officially reported.

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot

by ATinNM on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 07:42:13 PM EST
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Boehner pivoting away from lunacy by the sound of it.

Maybe some relevant people within the GOP have learned a lesson.

I doubt it.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 07:16:26 PM EST
White People Mourning Romney.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 07:20:51 PM EST
Twitter / RL_Miller: ha! RT @GovChristieNJ: Oh, ...
ha! RT @GovChristieNJ: Oh, come on, Fox News. Is this really necessary? Stop being such sore losers. http://twitpic.com/bbklcu


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 09:19:40 PM EST
From the 6th:
Gov. Chris Christie ‏@GovChristieNJ

My fellow Republicans: We can now stop pretending that we like Mitt Romney. Hallelujah.



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by Number 6 on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 05:39:56 AM EST
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Holy shit, is that @GovChristieNJ account authentic?
Some Republicans are now calling me a "Muslim lover." It's true. How could I hate the people who gave the world shawarmas and kebabs?

How strange that members of a political party that criticizes the First Lady's healthy-food initiatives are insulting me for being fat.

Yes, praising a black man is worse than rape. MT @beckypike34 Not sure which is worse, rape comments from Akin/Mordock or what Christie did?

If the winter storm causes additional damage to the state, we will apply for funds from the new Snowbamacare program. #LoveThatPresident

My fellow Republicans: We can now stop pretending that we like Mitt Romney. Hallelujah.

Whew, so relieved that Fox News is now blaming blacks, Latinos and women instead of me for a Romney loss. #Vote

Do you folks hear angels singing too? Because Bruce hugged me and then called me and now it's official: We're BFFs. Thanks, Obama!

On Election Day, if you have trouble voting or see any trouble, like a Mitt Romney staffer holding a gun to my head, call 1-866-OUR-VOTE.

We should be getting kids back to school as soon as possible so I can start calling teachers idiots and thugs again. #ReturnToNormalcy

Longshoremen are back to work and today's shipments should provide a wide array of cheap foreign-made crap that none of you really need.

I can't emphasize this enough: You must register if you want Obama's awesome communist Muslim FEMA assistance. Call 1-800-621-FEMA. #Sandy

Mitt hasn't called me since #Sandy hit, but I was assured he would once the bugs in the beta version of his empathy program were fixed.

Wait, I was supposed to make it harder for you guys to vote? Damn, I really am a terrible Republican.

So, is anyone working on a #NaNoWriMo fanfic featuring President Obama and me? #50ShadesofBipartisanship

If you're concerned about whether your food has gone bad, ask yourself, "Would Gov. Christie eat this?" If, yes, throw it away. #OmNomNope

I can't deny that I'm fat, but at least I got fat by eating lasagna and not by eating my own, like a certain radio talk-show host.

Houses, businesses and lives were destroyed, and I've got Republicans accusing me of "kissing ass" for asking for help. This is not my GOP.



I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 05:51:08 AM EST
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Well, this is outspoken New Jersey - "You got a problem with that?"

(I just love saying that. Moderators please ban me if I get out of hand.)

Some of the issues:

  • Supports medical marijuana
  • "supports strict and aggressive enforcement of the state's current gun laws."
  • Illegal Immigrants - simply "[b]eing in this country without proper documentation is not a crime," but rather a civil wrong; and that undocumented people are not criminals unless they have re-entered the country after being deported.
  • Muslims: Christie has strongly criticized critics of Muslim Americans (specifically The Tea Party), particularly those who claim that Muslims want to introduce Sharia Law into the US


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by Number 6 on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 06:12:34 AM EST
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And then there is this one:

Gov. Chris Christie ‏@GovChristieNJ

What I've learned in the past 2 weeks is that so many in my party suffer from mental illness. I hope Obamacare gets them the help they need.


As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 10:41:51 AM EST
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2956850/posts

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 09:21:05 PM EST
What makes them think she wants them back ? You broke it, you bought it.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 02:46:30 AM EST
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Little did we know that our own free press would intentionally sabotage, deceive and withhold the truth from us...

See, there is common ground if we could just get past the racism, religious bigotry, xenophobia and out of date stereotypes about 'communism'.   :-)

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 10:48:54 AM EST
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Yeah, it's annoying when people hold "distain".
Not sure "your grace" is the correct form of address.

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by Number 6 on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 11:50:39 AM EST
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I thought it appropriate to use to address a Cardinal or Archbishop, but it has never been a practical issue for me.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 03:10:54 PM EST
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Grace in the royal setting is not used by the Queen, no.

Grace (style) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

His Grace or Her Grace is a style used for various high ranking personages. It was the style used to address the King or Queen of Scotland up to the Act of Union of 1707, which merged the Kingdom of England and the Kingdom of Scotland, and to address monarchs of England prior to Henry VIII. Today, the style is used when referring to non-royal dukes and duchesses in the United Kingdom.

A harder question is what style they should have used, had they used the full style. Until 1953 it was pretty clear cut:

List of titles and honours of Queen Elizabeth II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Until 1953, her official style and title in full was Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, Ireland and the British Dominions beyond the Seas Queen, Defender of the Faith.[2]

But after that she has different titles for her different realms. So as USAians, I think the proper thing for them to do is use her US titel Admiral Elizabeth in the Great Navy of the State of Nebraska.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 03:23:33 PM EST
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Her Queenliness prefers, in non-ceremonial communications, to be addressed as Ma'am.

Otherwise, it's Your Majesty or nothing.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 03:41:19 PM EST
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Your Grace will do Archbishops just fine.

For cardinals, Your Eminence.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 03:39:43 PM EST
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That is right! Long disuse....and all.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 06:22:29 PM EST
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Well we can always send the new Archbishop of Canterbury over to rule on her behalf, He's religious and an oil man, should go down a storm in those red voting areas, and they can call him your grace.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 09:23:31 PM EST
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High church? In Texas? Ha, Ha, Ha.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Nov 10th, 2012 at 02:12:14 AM EST
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