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by afew Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 11:43:43 AM EST

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 11:44:02 AM EST
Better watch out what you post on twitter.

Daily Kos: Australia Pwns Georgia Republican Teen on Twitter

It's a sad day when an entire country mobilizes against you and your idiotic tweet on Twitter. But that's what happened to 18-year-old Kristen Neel when she tweeted a Donald Trump-esque rant that was so stupid she had to delete her account. Follow me after the jump where hilarity ensues.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 11:50:35 AM EST
For the lazy...

Maybe she was thinking of Abkhazia?

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 11:55:49 AM EST
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The Honourable John Hogg will be delighted.

Julia Gillard maybe not so much.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 12:01:43 PM EST
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Yep; and you don't want to piss the woman off:

by Bernard on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 03:51:54 PM EST
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Actually, their head of State is a Christian and, apparently, believes it. But that's the Queen and she doesn't travel much anymore, tho she does seem to enjoy parachuting

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 12:31:58 PM EST
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Saw that in Bill Mitchell's blog: Some images from the US election (November 8, 2012)
Third, the youth of the religious right will ensure it has a great future. The following tweet appeared soon after the result was announced yesterday and demonstrated how educated the right-wing youth are in the US.

Just in case you are wondering - the Australian political leader is a Prime Minister rather than a President, she is a female, and an avowed atheist. I guess those 75 influential people who retweeted this will know that.



I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 12:59:44 PM EST
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There are plenty of threats made by conservatives to move to Canada or Australia. Examples of believing your own BS and lies...

http://www.examiner.com/article/disappointed-republicans-display-woeful-ignorance-of-australia-canad a

by asdf on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 12:21:29 PM EST
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Yea, the joy of discovering that Somalia ticks all the boxes of your right wing fantasies is obviously lost on them.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 12:30:01 PM EST
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Hmm. Possibly Switzerland.

  • Rich, Clean, White, Courteous.
  • High private spending on health care - always popular. But mandatory, so perhaps not so popular.

  • More Catholics that Protestants.
  • Language.


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by Number 6 on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 12:38:08 PM EST
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And Switzerland also has a large group that dislikes immigrants. Hm, might be a problem for the repub-immigrants too.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!
by A swedish kind of death on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 12:48:38 PM EST
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Huh my lazy "plus" and "minus" were automagically converted to bullets. Fancy that.

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by Number 6 on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 01:06:45 PM EST
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Disappointed Republicans display woeful ignorance of Australia, Canada - Johnstown Elections 2012 | Examiner.com

One widely circulated response by "Felicity Ryan" stated:

"Australia has universal health care, compulsory voting, no guns, no death penalty, pro-choice when it comes to contraception, openly gay politicians and judges, evolution is taught in all schools, and our female PM is an unmarried atheist. Be sure to declare your pitchforks at Tullamarine."

by Bernard on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 03:43:55 PM EST
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Awesome.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 12:43:31 PM EST
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Roll up of American election results:

http://www.google.com/elections/ed/us/results

by asdf on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 12:17:27 PM EST
Apparently Mittens thought it'd be great to have all his staffers' credit cards turned off as soon as he lost the election -- leaving a bunch of people stranded in Boston.

All class, this guy.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 12:48:51 PM EST
He really is unpleasant in ways you cannot imagine

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 12:57:29 PM EST
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Oddly, I imagined him cutting his losses down to the last penny as soon as he'd conceded. I thought the very first thing he'd do was stop any more money bleeding.

'Twas an idle moment of realistic fantasy.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 01:01:03 PM EST
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This sounds as if he cancelled the credit cards BEFORE he conceded.
by Katrin on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 01:15:11 PM EST
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He was probably going to cancel the credit cards at about the same time if he won, too...

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 01:25:12 PM EST
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But this one was easy to imagine: Romney: `I like being able to fire people who provide services to me'.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 01:04:35 PM EST
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In Budo, Zanshin is the "continuing awareness" after finishing a technique.

In Aikido I've heard it described as being aware and caring about what happens to uke after the technique. (Uke being the person who "receives" the technique - many aikidoka prefer to avoid "opponent".)

In other words, even when someone attacks you, you neutralise the attach without confrontation and don't inflict unnecessary injury to uke.

Not sure what made me think of that.


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by Number 6 on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 01:19:53 PM EST
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In Iaidoi it's the moment when you're calmly waiting to see if there's anyone else you need to cut in half.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 02:29:10 PM EST
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Iaido.

Toooooo many hours with screens and fucked up RAID drives this week.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 02:29:44 PM EST
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After spending all too much time over the past two days reading the RW's postmortem (much shrillness, btw) on the election I conclude: a faction fight is breaking out in the GOP.  

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot
by ATinNM on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 01:02:26 PM EST
Looking back to February
assuming Obama wins in November,
Goldberg points out that this is what happened in 1976, when the party stuck with Ford over Reagan, was beaten by Carter, and went on to embrace the Gipper's brand of movement conservatism four years later. So who does Goldberg think might be ascendant in the aftermath of a Romney licking? "Sarah Palin," he replies. "She's an outsider, she has no Washington or Wall Street baggage, she's electric--and she's waiting, because if Romney doesn't win, she will be welcomed in."


I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 01:08:53 PM EST
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Palin doesn't have the intelligence, political skills, popular support in the GOP, political network, or financial backing.  

Goldberg is a good example of what the GOP has to jettison if they are going to re-position.

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot

by ATinNM on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 01:16:10 PM EST
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Palin made far more money pretending to run than she can by actually running. The moment she runs she has to open up her bank accounts and that's not on her schedule.

Romney has opened up a new idea in just refusing to release your tax records, but Palin is too stupid to pull that trick successfully. Nah, she's got about $10 - 15 million, if she can get more from media stuff she will. But actually run ? Never. Mind you, she might pretend all over again, see if she can bilk the rubes again

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 01:43:14 PM EST
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The problem with selling weapons to people who are convinced that their self-given rights have been denied, is that there will be blood.

I cannot see the Republican party resolving its conflicts with the factual world in a peaceable fashion...which will speed them into minority oblivion even faster. Good riddance - and take your media with you.

But as we know, getting rid of the immovable object will also unbalance the irresistible force.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 01:20:58 PM EST
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meanwhile in the wings of kolob, refinements are being scrupulously added to...

romney 2.0

mittens was the warmup, this is the real deal, the future of american leadership, the ultimate in political scion-hatching.

groomed from birth for POWER.

thsi is the endpoint of mitten's worldview. no wonder the most common phrase in blogistan these last two days has been 'dodged a bullet'!

"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 01:22:22 PM EST
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Yea, but your first reaction to him is to walk round and check he hasn't got 666 tattooed somewhere at the base of the scalp..

Too obviously demonic in a Cheney way

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 01:38:26 PM EST
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You will be assimilated.

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot
by ATinNM on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 02:00:17 PM EST
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Who's that guy?

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 02:33:12 PM EST
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One of Mitten's spawn.


Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot
by ATinNM on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 02:47:57 PM EST
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tagg romney.

not the one who chummed with obama...

"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 02:50:56 PM EST
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this, from Morning Joe, is actually quite interesting.

A few sensible conservatives talking about the angles



keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 01:35:41 PM EST
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They do get the basic problem is the base but the base thinks the people on that show are the problem.

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot
by ATinNM on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 01:58:35 PM EST
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Frum does say "the republican followership has been fleeced and lied to by the media entertainment complex". He also says "it's a problem when everyone on TV has health insurance and a secure job unlike 80% of Americans".

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 02:34:38 PM EST
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Yep, but there isn't anything he can do about it.  The base of the party, the people who vote in the primaries, are going ballistic thinking they could have won if they had nominated a Real Conservative©.  Beltway Insiders think all they have to do is wave a magic wand and What Is will morph to their liking.  Doesn't work that way.

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot
by ATinNM on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 02:51:35 PM EST
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I see no place for people like Frum in the Republican party as it is today. The question then is, why aren't people like him (or NJ Governor Christie) conservative Democrats rather than moderate Republicans? There's something in the clip (also from Frum) about "we think taxes are too high, that's why we're Republicans, but you have to be aware that taxes have not gone up recently". Is that the difference between Democrats and Republicans that makes these people want to identify as Republicans?

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 05:36:41 PM EST
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Oh, god NO!  Just got rid (2010) of the Blue Dogs as a force in the Democratic Party.  

I don't know enough about Frum to answer your question directly.  Answering in the generic sense would take a week.

:-)

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot

by ATinNM on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 06:30:38 PM EST
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Yes, but methinks the money will move back to the centre. Although the Tea party is composed of real actual stupid people, their influence on the GOP is entirely down to the money the Kochs etc provide for them.

If the Kocks now realise they're not getting value for money from this strategy, the Tea party will effectively disappear.

And that means that people like Frum will get more traction.

But AT is right, the last thing the Dems need are more Blue Dog corporate filth

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Nov 10th, 2012 at 02:58:36 AM EST
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David Frum is good...

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 02:31:48 PM EST
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his mother was a well respected journalist in Canada, although a little conservative.  
by stevesim on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 03:04:12 PM EST
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Well he did end Evil. Or at least wrote about it.

An End to Evil: How to Win the War on Terror: David Frum, Richard Perle: 9780345477170: Amazon.com: Books

This world is an unsafe place for Americans--and the U.S. government remains unready to defend its people. In An End to Evil, David Frum and Richard Perle sound the alert about the dangers around us: the continuing threat from terrorism, the crisis with North Korea, the aggressive ambitions of China. Frum and Perle provide a detailed, candid account of America's vulnerabilities: a military whose leaders resist change, intelligence agencies mired in bureaucracy, diplomats who put friendly relations with their foreign colleagues ahead of the nation's interests. Perle and Frum lay out a bold program to defend America--and to win the war on terror.

But that unfortunately should be no hinder to joining the democrats.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 06:18:01 PM EST
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I cannot find it anymore, but there was a clip on Raw Story that showed Karl Rove arguing that Obama suppressed the vote by persuading people not to vote for Romney.  You can see the type of twisted logic that passes for rational in people like him.
by stevesim on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 03:02:37 PM EST
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Would be interesting to see "possible votes v actual votes" by demographic.


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by Number 6 on Wed Nov 14th, 2012 at 05:31:49 AM EST
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I'm waiting (not really) for someone in the MSM ... even Jon Stuart ... to use the word "Empire" ... Amy Goodman doesn't count, she's not MSM. Till then it's all yakking to maintain the status quo. "The public didn't go for the Repub bullshit ... how do we fuck them now?"

The good news ... it's only a life sentence. You eventually leave this planet of idiots.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 03:59:37 PM EST
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http://www.democracynow.org/2012/11/9/tavis_smiley_cornel_west_on_the

The good news ... it's only a life sentence. You eventually leave this planet of idiots.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 04:45:18 PM EST
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Some of this stuff is hilarious!

The good news ... it's only a life sentence. You eventually leave this planet of idiots.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 05:09:50 PM EST
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The GOP factions always fight and engage in much finger-pointing after a loss -- either a big loss or one they thought they should have won.  Then they figure out a new PR strategy and come together again.  1964.  1976.  1992. 2008.  They roared back to life in 1994 and 2010.  So, all these DEM reports of the demise of the GOP are premature.  
by Marie2 on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 11:10:18 PM EST
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That's for sure. And the Dems only barely won this election, despite the huge electoral vote difference. Still don't control the House and don't have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. So they need to be doing the same re-evaluation of their situation as the Republicans are doing.

If the Republicans pull off a reasonable fraction of the Latino vote by moderating their immigration position and chucking the nasty language, the Dems are in trouble next time around. This is still a very socially conservative country...

by asdf on Sat Nov 10th, 2012 at 02:47:41 AM EST
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how socially conservative can you stay when the bank forecloses (probably illegally, but hey) on your house? when the government decides in its infinite wisdom to plnk a nuke plant ten miles upwind? when your neighbours and relatives are jobless and come hat in hand?
socially conservative is fine, it doesn't always mean armed militias, ammo stashes and pit bulls.

it seems to me if obama wanted votes, he'd quit bailing out banksters and prosecute them instead.

i think he needs votes alright, but not too many to rock the boat. a close election keeps people looking at personalities while policies slip by relatively unnoticed. like droning pakistan the same day of his acceptance.

there is the teeny weeny problem that if he were too popular, he may not last so long, so little bites is all the base get, while continuing to bay for something redder.

or it could be post-electoral tristesse.

"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Nov 10th, 2012 at 03:32:45 AM EST
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Yes, but it's also important for everybody to keep up with what is actually going on. I don't know what's going on over on the European side of the pond, but over here, housing prices have recovered.

Fast-rising metro Denver home prices are back to their record highs of 2006, fueled by buyers competing for a limited number of properties.

So far this year, single-family homes have sold for a median price of $250,000, matching the level they hit in 2006 before the market began to decline.

The statistics from Metrolist Inc. point toward a good market for sellers and a challenging environment for buyers competing for a limited number of properties.

http://www.denverpost.com/recommended/ci_21955732

This may have contributed to Romney's loss: the economy is not fully recovered, but plenty of signs indicate that it's not the ongoing disaster that the GOP tried to paint.

by asdf on Sat Nov 10th, 2012 at 11:24:10 AM EST
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Can incomes in Denver support those housing prices?  If not, its another bubble in the making.  That's what happened throughout the country beginning around 2000.  Ever increasing house prices not based on rising incomes but financial tricks and traps.
by Marie2 on Sat Nov 10th, 2012 at 12:08:57 PM EST
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Sure. As far as I know, the incomes of people who retained their jobs over the past five years did not in most cases take a salary reduction. Salary increases have been pretty limited, but the real issue is for people who lot their jobs. Keep in mind that with a 15% unemployment rate, even, that's still an 85% employment rate (depending obviously on how you measure it). So most people are still working but just not getting the 20% a year pay raise they had been planning to use to cover their bills, college tuition, new cars, etc.
by asdf on Sat Nov 10th, 2012 at 01:55:20 PM EST
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asdf:
... but over here, housing prices have recovered.

Karl Case and Robert Shiller are not so sure:

Shiller Data on U.S. Questions Housing Revival Power - Businessweek

Don't bet the house on a robust revival of the U.S. property market, says the Yale University professor who predicted the bursting of the dot-com and subprime-mortgage bubbles.

There is no "unambiguous" sign of a strong recovery in the market, Robert Shiller and fellow economists Karl Case and Anne Thompson say in a paper published this week by the National Bureau of Economic Research. The study seeks to shed light on the role buyer expectations play in house prices, an angle the authors say has been ignored in analyzing the housing slump.
[...]

The upshot for Shiller and his colleagues is that while "a recovery may be plausible, and home prices have been rising fairly strongly in recent months, we do not see any unambiguous indication in our expectations data of sharp upward turning point in demand for housing that some observers, and media accounts, have suggested."

Full paper available here (Scribd) or here (PDF).

by Bernard on Sat Nov 10th, 2012 at 02:53:43 PM EST
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Not getting who would be buying houses in Denver at 2006 prices in 2012.  Are there enough of "those who didn't lose their jobs" and weren't homeowners in 2006 to scarf up high priced houses?  
by Marie2 on Sat Nov 10th, 2012 at 03:10:15 PM EST
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Well, the new construction business pretty much shut down, but the population is still growing. Like I said, if you (and your spouse, in most cases) both still have decent jobs, why wouldn't you want to buy a house? Interest rates are as low as they're ever going to be, and the economy seems to get looking better...

This article and statistic is specifically for Denver, and rural Colorado is not in the same situation. But it sure does feel like things are getting better.

Colorado Springs, on the other hand, with its population of 400,000 almost entirely dependent on DOD spending, is running scared. At the Memorial Day assembly at the local middle school, practically every kid knows someone in the military, and about a quarter have a family member currently deployed. The evangelical radio show "industry" is not going to be able to support the whole city...

by asdf on Sat Nov 10th, 2012 at 07:17:39 PM EST
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if you (and your spouse, in most cases) both still have decent jobs, why wouldn't you want to buy a house?

Because you have no guarantee that you're going to have decent jobs, or any jobs at all, in 3 years' time?

Interest rates are as low as they're ever going to be

Which is an invitation to overstretch oneself by getting a variable-rate mortgage which is affordable at the current interest rates. If interest rates rise again, they can blow you out of the water. In addition, fixed-rate mortgages continue to be very expensive.

And just because interest rates are low doesn't mean it's easy to get a mortgage. The supply of credit is scarce.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 11th, 2012 at 04:43:38 AM EST
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Agree except for
This is still a very socially conservative country...

Hypocritical, ignorant, and schizo perhaps but not socially conservative.  High divorce rate, high consumption of drugs and alcohol, and a huge gaming and porn industry is says what we really are when we're not in our mega-churches for an hour a week.  

by Marie2 on Sat Nov 10th, 2012 at 12:15:44 PM EST
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An hour a week, eh? I suspect you are not involved in an evangelical church.

  • Sunday morning: Sunday school, church, brunch. 3 hours.
  • Wednesday evening: "Small group" meting. 3 hours.
  • One other evening: Committee meeting. 3 hours.
  • Saturday: Youth group trip/project/volunteer activity. 1 hour averaged.

Being a religious fanatic takes a lot of time and energy!
by asdf on Sat Nov 10th, 2012 at 07:21:03 PM EST
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Please don't forget family and personal prayer and Bible study.

Time is nothing compared to eternity.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 11th, 2012 at 01:57:03 AM EST
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Krugman Op-Ed: Let's Not Make a Deal (NY Times, November 8, 2012)
Why? Because Republicans are trying, for the third time since he took office, to use economic blackmail to achieve a goal they lack the votes to achieve through the normal legislative process. In particular, they want to extend the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, even though the nation can't afford to make those tax cuts permanent and the public believes that taxes on the rich should go up -- and they're threatening to block any deal on anything else unless they get their way. So they are, in effect, threatening to tank the economy unless their demands are met.

Mr. Obama essentially surrendered in the face of similar tactics at the end of 2010, extending low taxes on the rich for two more years. He made significant concessions again in 2011, when Republicans threatened to create financial chaos by refusing to raise the debt ceiling. And the current potential crisis is the legacy of those past concessions.

Well, this has to stop -- unless we want hostage-taking, the threat of making the nation ungovernable, to become a standard part of our political process.



I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 01:27:57 PM EST
Plus, what are they going to threaten him with?  He can't run again anyway.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 01:44:57 PM EST
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First term is about reelection, second term is about legacy?

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 02:35:45 PM EST
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Total fantasy world here, but I do wonder if the executive could, if faced with a showdown on the debt ceiling again, simply refuse to issue Treasury Bonds in excess of the specified amount, while continuing to spend as normal.

Put MMT into practice!

by Zwackus on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 08:35:36 PM EST
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Some MMTers were trying to investigate whether the Treasury was enjoying overdrafts at the Fed, even "intraday".

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Nov 10th, 2012 at 03:39:17 AM EST
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AFAIK, with a small value of K, there's nothing stopping the US Mint from issuing coins or notes in any value they wish and the Federal Government accepting the same for taxes & etc.  People have been joking around about a $1,000,000 platinum coin with an anti-counterfeiting ID chip buried in the middle.  

With a secure network, NOT the internet, the Mint could issue pre-loaded Debit Cards and be done with it.

 

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot

by ATinNM on Sat Nov 10th, 2012 at 01:57:51 PM EST
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Sadly, I heard Krugman described as being on the 'far left' on MSNBC since this op ed. Worse, that characterization went unchallenged. And MSNBC IS the far left of the MSM. Russia Today is most certainly not a part of the MSM but, at least, they are legitimately on the left. I guess economic issues are 'far left'.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Nov 10th, 2012 at 10:33:53 AM EST
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As the overton window accelerates away it redshifts so much that reality acquires a far-left bias.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 11th, 2012 at 04:49:40 AM EST
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Beppe Grillo's Blog
"Ciao to all friends of Beppe Grillo's Blog and good luck! I really believe that the force of change is going to be stronger than the resistance of the established power groups.
My name is Elio Lannutti, and I'm the President of Adusbef {Association of Clients of Financial Institutions}. Beppe Grillo contributed the preface to one of my books: "La Repubblica della Banche" {Republic of Banks}, I took part in the first V Day, the one about cleaning up parliament, collecting the 350,000 signatures that since then have gone unheeded. Beppe Grillo has even come to the Committee for Constitutional Affairs to draw attention to the inaction on that law, but nothing has happened. I'm an independent senator with Italia dei Valori and above all I have taken part with Beppe Grillo in so many general assemblies of shareholders, from Torino to Telecom, so many shareholders meetings where there was an action against "tronchetto dell'infelicità" (Beppe Grillo's nickname for Marco Tronchetti Provera).
This lot are taking action against Beppe Grillo, and with the increase up to 42.5% there's an "anti Grillo" action. It's not possible to have an "Anti Grillo" law! Laws are made to promote governability, in the interests of the country, but not against Grillo.
I've felt fear when I've heard things with my own ears, (then the inconvenient things have been removed from the minutes of the meetings). I'm not a member of the Committee for Constitutional Affairs, however every senator can attend all committees and I went along to listen. There were senators that once said: "We were thinking of increasing the lowest limit for access to parliament from 4% to 5% when began this law for, let's say, creating an "anti Grillo" block", These were the actual words. "Currently however the percentage vote for Grillo is around 30% we have to get equipped to make it as difficult as possible for Grillo to get into government", because if we still have this electoral law the MoVimento 5 Stelle will become the top party, with the majority premium, it'll get to govern the country! Thus this is the situation.

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There's a climate of fear, of terror in relation to the "clean lists", with the possibility of having a "clean Parliament"! With the possibility, as Beppe Grillo says: "See you in Parliament. It'll be a pleasure." It's not just a wish, but it will be a reality with the elections in April. I often tell my colleagues, that Beppe Grillo will cause the exodus, using Fornero's way of speaking, of 80% of the current Parliament.

to quote helen... 'hee hee'

"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 02:46:14 PM EST
I've got 2 selections in my cupboard ... a French Roast and a hazelnut flavor. I'm looking for a 3rd whole bean flavor that I can find in a general grocery store ... I'm not the type of person to go great lengths for something this frivolous. Any suggestions?

The good news ... it's only a life sentence. You eventually leave this planet of idiots.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 04:31:09 PM EST
You should be able to find a shop that imports and roasts its own beans in Sacramento. Try a medium roast of Costa Rican or Guatemalan. If that fails, try a whole bean Columbian. Even in Arkansas Walmart carries various whole bean coffees. After 8 Columbian whole bean is usually drinkable, but some of the rainforest alliance put ups can be excellent.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Nov 10th, 2012 at 10:41:57 AM EST
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Peet's is usually pretty good.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Nov 10th, 2012 at 10:43:41 AM EST
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Peet's is absolutely as good as it gets. (I'm responding to you, not to THE Twank.)

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sat Nov 10th, 2012 at 01:52:25 PM EST
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You would have had to have access to the fresh roast shop I used to frequent in the west San Fernando Valley. Fresh roasted beans, glistening with oil, from Costa Rica, Guatemala, Alta Pluma from the Mexican cloud forest, Javan, Kenyan,.... Makes me lonesome for LA.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Nov 10th, 2012 at 01:59:52 PM EST
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We buy green beans from Sweet Maria's.  Yes we have to roast.  The advantage is we get a superior product for half the cost.

After blowing-up 3 Home coffee roasters by the dastardly, unpredictable (from the manufacturers POV,) practice of using them to roast coffee beans we dropped back to a cast iron pot over the stove, stirring with a whisk until done, then pouring the hot beans into a metal colander, and running outside for the cooling process.  Does smoke the kitchen up and makes the house smell like coffee.

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot

by ATinNM on Sat Nov 10th, 2012 at 02:12:46 PM EST
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I don't think you have coffee in the USA, sorry to say.

Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Nov 10th, 2012 at 04:12:50 PM EST
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