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by Nomad Tue Dec 11th, 2012 at 11:40:32 AM EST
There is more stainless steel piping in this plant than there are in a nuclear power plant. Some pipe salesman made a ton of money on it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Glarus_Brewing_Company
A litre I can relate to. It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
wonder how much they cost ? keep to the Fen Causeway
Of course they have worked their tails off and leveraged the fad for small breweries and somehow convinced people that beer that is actually pretty lousy tasting is good because it's a "craft" product. I'll take an industrial-grade Guinness or Bass or even Coors over most of these specialist products. Not cultured or sophisticated enough, I guess...
In the 60s dring the brewery consolidations, run down breweries were being bought having never been re-valued since WWI !!! The purchasers were making vast profits on scrap value keep to the Fen Causeway
and at -40 the Fahrenheit and Celsius scales meet. I bet Sven knows that.
Or people complaining that their sick mother is whingeing (?) by asking them for another cup of tea.
Or the other thing - as one gets older, the people you remember as being good people turning into right wing assholes complaining about the war on Christmas or the small percentage of GDP the country gives in food aid to the starving. Come on, is there no rationality left in them!!!
Too many right wingers on this planet!
I kind of expected that, but then I find that the expats sites are the same, although there are people from all over the world, and from all kinds of professions. The Brits and Americans tend to be the worse though.
It makes me so depressed about the world when people are complaining about giving a few million to starving people though. I mean, really! Is there no shred of humanity left in those people?
"Is there no shred of humanity left in those people?"
It's not a good idea to talk of "those people" as less than human. It's better to think that they're human too and usually just victims of massive right-wing propaganda and that they might well change their views when presented with the facts. Thus lots of Americans seem to believe that foreign aid is far larger than it is in reality. Maybe ask them what they think it is as a percentage of the federal budget, then present them with the facts, from US mainstream media:
In a November World Public Opinion poll, the average American believed that a whopping 25 percent of the federal budget goes to foreign aid. The average respondent also thought that the appropriate level of foreign aid would be about 10 percent of the budget -- 10 times the current level. Compared with our military and entitlement budgets, this is loose change. Since the 1970s, aid spending has hovered around 1 percent of the federal budget. http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-04-28/opinions/35231618_1_foreign-aid-foreign-assistance-act -aid-programs
Compared with our military and entitlement budgets, this is loose change. Since the 1970s, aid spending has hovered around 1 percent of the federal budget.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-04-28/opinions/35231618_1_foreign-aid-foreign-assistance-act -aid-programs
Then there's the fact that for every dollar that goes to developing nations, ten dollars comes back (from TV doc the other day). Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
I didn't say it would work like magic with everybody - but if they'd given the 25% aid argument, they would have to admit that their criticism wasn't based on reality and they might look into it and start being a bit more sceptical. Meanwhile the Right-wing keep up their propaganda:
Foreign aid has few domestic allies. Aid programs weathered steep cuts in the recent budget deal in Congress, and a plan from Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) would slash spending on international affairs and foreign assistance by an eye-popping 44 percent by 2016. Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) has called for the abolishment of aid programs ibid
ibid
I still prefer the path of attempted enlightenment rather than dismissive outrage. Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
And, it's not outrage as much as incredulity.
I don't see any rational reason even for "incredulity" given the amount of Right-wing propaganda Americans are subjected to - leading many of those who complain about foreign aid apparently believing it's 25% of the federal budget, rather than 1%. Significantly those who thought it was 25% thought 10% would be reasonable - ten times the actual level - so they're not completely lacking in humanity. Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
(Not that any of these fucking idiots have a clue who Rand is nine times out of ten.) Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
From personal observation, most expats are bitter right-wingers, so sadly the network is just reflecting the community.
Does one cause the other and, if so, which? I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
In Japan, there is an absolutely huge, and nearly unbridgeable, gulf between the Tokyo expat community and the everywhere else gaijin community. The Tokyo types are rich, and live in a bubble. The gaijin are poor, and adapt to Japan or leave.
No he didn't, he just agreed with your own prejudice. Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
At the last Internations social I went to here I met an American woman who doesn't exactly fit the stereotype you present; in fact she was president of the local group of Democrats abroad and I ended up defending Obama against her left-wing critique ! :-)
Also at that meeting was a NZ ex-pat, who is a bit right-wing, used to work (very successfully) for large corporations, but who loves history and is very open to argument. He's also a keen photographer and we were talking to a Scottish guy now living in Monaco who's also a keen photographer and has his own online business but wasn't very political, just a nice guy. Also there was a Brit ex-pat, ex-dancer with Royal ballet, who recently put up on FB a poster about the danger of climate change - he's neither "bitter" nor right-wing.
At the previous Internations meeting I chatted to an American guy based in Nice working for a US company who's very appreciative of the French system - he was unemployed in the US fo a year with a one-year old daughter and no medical coverage. He travels Europe a lot and is also very keen on history.
In a similar group, Meet-up, some time ago I did meet a very right-wing American (from S Africa) - we had some serious arguments. But his experience living in France clearly gradually changed his attitude - especially when he broke his leg skiing and got very good treatment.
This is a pretty random sampling and clearly I don't just mix with the left-wingers. So avoid the sweeping stereotypes - we object when the Right stereotype Lefties. Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
Further reality from my limited, but very different experience here in Nice:
There is a right-wing Scottish woman, but she is willing to argue and a very nice person. On the hand a friend of hers, an Irish woman, is quite liberal, teaches English and does decorative art, while friend is a woman is from Iceland who teaches yoga.
One of the local organisers is not only very attractive and a talented jazz-singer, she's also a medical doctor, and, while I haven't spoken to her, I have the feeling she's not right-wing:
Even if she was I could be persuaded to ignore that for an evening - to listen to her singing of course :-)
Also there was this jolly English chap, and Stephana, a talented garden designer from Romania:
They too don't fit into the stereotype and it would have been silly to miss such a good evening at this Riviera pool party where we met a nice French woman and her Irish husband:
Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
Mig is right.
I wouldn't mind a social network for intelligent, left wing people. Anyone know of such a creature?
As I expected, no actual examples, do you really have ANY, you know, a real person, a real conversation, instead just a generalised impression, confirming an obvious prejudice. I'm an intelligent, left-wing person and I'd rather have conversations with the actual people I described than with someone who dismisses whole groups on an international scale. Intelligent left-wingers tend to avoid stereotypes - we know where it leads and whose purpose it tends to serve - those who divide and rule. There are real enemies out there and they are not ordinary people who've been misled by right-wing propaganda. Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
I am a reasonably attractive person so I don't need to meet people through websites - I do fine in real life. So I am not looking at these expats as potential partners.
I like to exchange ideas and find that sometimes the people I mix with are too homogeneous but I don't like the greed (or if you prefer right wing thinking) I encountered when attending these Internations and other expat functions.
I am not going to go into further detail because I do not want to share more details about my personal life on the Internet. Unlike you.
In fact I usually go to these things with my partner, who is more than "reasonably attractive" - so I'm not looking for "potential partners" either. But I'm obviously more open to discussion with a variety of people than you and less likely to dismiss people because I don't agree with their political views, though I'll do that quite strongly, to my partner's dismay sometimes :-).
I'm sure the singer has no objection to me sharing a nice photo of her performing. A photographer friend was also taking lots of pics of her and of others there, he's another interesting, open-minded member of Internations by the way. Lots of people take photos of the people at these events and put them up on the Internations site and probably some on FB. I'm sure the couple wouldn't mind this pic of them with jokey caption in fact saying what a good party they were at. The chances of anyone here recognising them must be extremely remote anyway.
Ah how convenient, your discretion about your personal life saves you from the trouble of talking about real examples. Of course, the descriptions I gave of these real but unnamed people are not terribly revealing about my personal life - but any excuse when you don't have arguments huh ?
Back to the point - these not very revealing details about real people, from pretty random meetings, show that in at least one Internations group, when you actually get down to facts, there is quite a diversity of attitudes and political views and there's no reason to suppose that the Nice/Monaco/Cannes group has a particularly liberal membership.
But clearly you prefer to stick to your stereotype - I think it's your loss. Were you actually open to evidence you might have reacted by saying "Maybe I was unlucky with the meetings I've had (such as they've been) and maybe I should give it more of a chance" - you might actually meet some interesting people, even if you disagreed about about some important things. Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
No wonder Swiss folks don't like foreigners Just the topics from last few days really got me wondering about the picture some of us foreigners leave here in Switzerland and how I understand the Swiss are so distant when it comes to foreigners.
First, a guy gets a loaner car for free and than wants the garage to pay for his trips, 500km everybody.
Second, another guy openly admits that he screw over the Swiss Health Insurance system for 1000s of CHF for lying on his arrival date and living here for 3 months without insurance... He admits its illegal, but it's no big deal for him.
Third one tries to shift vouchers at full price where you can buy the same for 3% off at any Coop store and much less on the private market.
And don't even let me start on people trying to shift their overpriced cars here and who get mad when they receive an offer HIGHER than any dealer in Switzerland would offer - they still are mad because it is not the price from autoscout
Who knows what other ways foreigners do here to cheat off the system?
I would imagine that was the way to go back in your home country (just like mine) but avoiding and doing all the loop-holes or illegal things that may not get you caught here, don't you think if everybody else was doing it like this it would make Switzerland just like your own country (for which, I guess doesn't have as good living standard as Switzerland, otherwise what the hell are you doing here)
We live in the best country in central Europe and probably beyond and you still do cheap bastard scams like back home, ffs, what do you want, Switzerland to turn into France?!
No wonder Swiss folks don't like foreigners - English Forum Switzerland
From "English Forum Switzerland in association with The Local".
And it's a post from this afternoon, so presumably not one of the exchanges on Internations you were mentioning?
Just using a short example of what I mean.
And I doubt that anyone here falls into the right wing ex-pat yuppie category.
It's the kind of prejudice left-wing people try to fight when the same prejudices are stirred up in many countries by the Right, who also use alleged "examples" - like Copé in France with his story of of kids prevented from eating their pain au chocolat by Muslim youths.
Your sneering dismissal of Internations as "full of right wing yuppies", despite my direct evidence to the contrary, based on nothing better than "examples" like this - not from Ineternations - makes you no better than right-wingers full of prejudice about foreigners.
You should stick to engineering, you don't have a clue about reasoned discussion. Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
As a confirmed left-winger, I sure don't want anyone thinking that my being an ex-pat makes me anything other than that. 'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
I've never sought out expats to mix with in France. I haven't consciously shied away from them either, I've just never felt the need. It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
You are lucky that your French is so good, mine's OK, and I even manage a weekly chat about politics and philosophy with my ex philosophy teacher neighbour. But a great many of us immigrants welcome the chance to also talk to others in our native language with shared cultural backgrounds. Internations provides opportunities for that as well as for meeting people from other countries but who also speak English. Yet another Internations member I've met is a young woman from Romania, who speaks French and English well, shares my interest in photography and does garden design. And yet again she doesn't fit the sneering stereotype "right-wing yuppie". Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
you'd find British builders in France more likely to call themselves expats than immigrants I'm willing to bet
The key word here is "British". ;)
Once, at a hotel in Normandy, I happened to address a question to a fellow-guest in French. The guy replies : "I'm sorry, I'm English".
Not wishing to stereotype or anything, but ... what a normal non-French speaker would say is "I'm sorry, I don't speak French". It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
So my advice is to note that you have had different experiences and let it go. A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!
What I'm clearly objecting to is him going beyond his own experience and continuing to generalise, not only about Internations (a very large organisation), but also any similar groups as full of "right-wing yuppies". My own actual experience of a large Internations group is relevant evidence against such an absurdly sweeping generaisation, but, of course, not against his personal experience - if any. Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
I had a weird experience recently where someone I interactive with in a particular online setting who is quite enlightened about all sorts of business matters turns out to be utterly convinced that government debt is the most important thing and austerity the only way forward.
So I've kind of sworn off a lot of online discussion for now.
Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY.
all we're seeing these days are just riffs off that same old song keep to the Fen Causeway
... The proposition that demand determines outputs and supply determines price is logically, intuitively and empirically reasonable in any time period and for most industries. Why can't economists just tilt their supply curve 45 degrees to the right? Well, at this point a few things become apparent. The theory of the firm becomes indeterminant: one of economist's beloved negative feedback loops that allows the economy to self-equilibrate is gone, as firm size is not limited by production costs. Hence, the marginal theory of the firm goes from explaining everything - from firm size to income distribution - to explaining very little. This also makes explicit the idea that output in the economy is driven by demand, both in the short and long run, which contradicts conventional macro theory, where demand only matters because prices are sticky. Overall, a flat supply curve turns the conventional story told in neoclassical economics, where the economy is self-equilibrating, bar a few frictions, to one where many key variables - wages, output, firm size - go from being at the equilibrium or `natural' level, into one where they are largely arbitrary. It's easy to see why economists would resist this.
Well, at this point a few things become apparent. The theory of the firm becomes indeterminant: one of economist's beloved negative feedback loops that allows the economy to self-equilibrate is gone, as firm size is not limited by production costs. Hence, the marginal theory of the firm goes from explaining everything - from firm size to income distribution - to explaining very little. This also makes explicit the idea that output in the economy is driven by demand, both in the short and long run, which contradicts conventional macro theory, where demand only matters because prices are sticky.
Overall, a flat supply curve turns the conventional story told in neoclassical economics, where the economy is self-equilibrating, bar a few frictions, to one where many key variables - wages, output, firm size - go from being at the equilibrium or `natural' level, into one where they are largely arbitrary. It's easy to see why economists would resist this.
I've long been fascinated with looking at private sector financial balances in particular. There was an economics professor at Cambridge University called Wynne Godley who passed away a couple of years ago, who basically used this type of framework to look at business cycles in the U.K. and also in the U.S. for many, many years, so we just started reading some of his material in the late 1990s, and I found it to be a pretty useful way of thinking about the world. It's usually not something that gives you the secret sauce at getting it all right, because there are a lot of uncertain inputs that go into this analytical framework, but I do think it's a reasonable organizing framework for thinking about the short to medium term ups and downs of the business cycle. Basically, in order to have above-trend growth - a cyclically strong economy - you need to have some sector that wants to reduce its financial surplus or run a larger deficit in order to provide that sort of cyclical boost, most of the time.
It's usually not something that gives you the secret sauce at getting it all right, because there are a lot of uncertain inputs that go into this analytical framework, but I do think it's a reasonable organizing framework for thinking about the short to medium term ups and downs of the business cycle.
Basically, in order to have above-trend growth - a cyclically strong economy - you need to have some sector that wants to reduce its financial surplus or run a larger deficit in order to provide that sort of cyclical boost, most of the time.
No wonder GS is doing better than the EU. I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
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The bonds, which include two T-bills and three floating-rate notes with maturities ranging between two months and three years, will be transferred to Spain's Fund for Orderly Bank Restructuring (FROB) in the coming days. The FROB will use 37bn for the recapitalisation of BFA-Bankia, Catalunya-Caixa, NCG Banco and Banco de Valencia - categorised as Group One banks - and the remaining 2.5bn to capitalise SAREB, the Asset Management Company (AMC). ESM stated the bonds were not funded via the capital markets. "We call this a payment in kind. The banks can post these bonds as collateral to the ECB and receive cash," said a eurozone official close to the discussions.
The FROB will use 37bn for the recapitalisation of BFA-Bankia, Catalunya-Caixa, NCG Banco and Banco de Valencia - categorised as Group One banks - and the remaining 2.5bn to capitalise SAREB, the Asset Management Company (AMC).
ESM stated the bonds were not funded via the capital markets.
"We call this a payment in kind. The banks can post these bonds as collateral to the ECB and receive cash," said a eurozone official close to the discussions.
The EU elite is not clueless, it is evil. I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
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