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'Reform' in the UK

by ThatBritGuy Mon Dec 17th, 2012 at 04:19:15 AM EST

From BBC Wales

Ms Adams, who lives in Milton Keynes, said a website for first-time escorts run by one of her close friends had seen interest soar, especially from students.

"There are so many young women entering the business (sex industry) now that supply is outstripping demand," said Ms Adams, who set up an escort agency with two friends.

"With the financial pressures of student loans it's becoming far more acceptable for young people to turn to sex work to see them through their education."

Well done, Margaret, Tony, Nick and David.

front-paged by afew

Freudian slip?
"There are so many young women entering the business (sex industry) now that supply is outstripping demand," said Ms Adams ...

Or is Ms. Adams an MBA?

Seriously, this development makes this feminist want to weep.  Not that I didn't sense that the stories and imagery that's been foisted on young girls and women over the past twenty years wasn't healthful.  

by Marie2 on Sat Dec 15th, 2012 at 09:41:17 PM EST
The ultimate irony of the unholy alliance between social conservatives and economic reactionaries may well be that the policies facilitated by this alliance make prostitution a common path for young, educated women to follow if they wish to both get an education and get out of debt sufficiently to hope to start and to raise a family. This should be horrifying to groups such as The Family Alliance in the USA, but it probably won't faze them as they will just write the phenomenon off as 'failure to resist temptation', with the temptation being essential to the prized 'free will'. I don't really know if the same dynamic is at work in the U.K. or if there are groups similar to Focus on the Family and Family Alliance in the UK.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Dec 16th, 2012 at 01:47:03 AM EST
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I'm sure that they'd think that any woman wanting to get out of the home and get educated is little better than a prostitute anyway,

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Dec 17th, 2012 at 11:54:23 AM EST
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Indeed. It's worth remembering that we're only a couple of generations removed from functional salafism. And heading back in that direction, it sometimes seems.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Mon Dec 17th, 2012 at 12:06:40 PM EST
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Ireland seems to have been "reformed" first.
Angelique Sabag Gautiller calls herself a pioneer and, indeed, the smiling, blonde-haired, blue-eyed 40-year-old is, in fact, something of a trailblazer in Israel. Convicted in July 2011 of "conspiring to cause a person to leave the country in order to work in prostitution," for helping nine Israeli women work as prostitutes in Ireland, Gautiller was sentenced to 30 months in prison in the Neve Tirza women's prison--making her, in short, the Jewish state's first female pimp.


Gautiller and Byrne grew close, and in 2006, Byrne promoted Gautiller to an assistant position. Her task was to find Israeli women to work in Ireland, a country with one of the biggest prostitution industries in Europe.

The trial and publicity may have had an effect:
"Until I came along, there were hardly any Israeli girls who traveled abroad to work as prostitutes," Gautiller told me just before her prison sentence began. "After my story became famous, more and more women suddenly realized that if they had to work at this shitty profession, they should at least earn good money." She speculated that the business plan she capitalized on would only grow in popularity once the new anti-prostitution legislation passed. "I promise you that in the coming years you'll hear that prostitution in Israel is in decline, but the prostitutes will not disappear or become rehabilitated," she said. "They'll just move to places where they are properly rewarded, like Ireland or England, Croatia or Japan or the United States, countries where it is much more lucrative to be a prostitute than it is in Israel."
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sun Dec 16th, 2012 at 02:01:58 AM EST
Ah, the joys of the boom. So to speak.

One of my "fondest" memories from living in the city centre is walking home early one Monday morning after an extended night's hacking or fixing servers and watching big cars "arriving early to work" on one of the city centre squares. They'd got up at five am to meet prostitutes before going into the office, one assumes after spending the weekend with the wife and family.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 17th, 2012 at 06:22:24 AM EST
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On a related note, ten percent of all cases of gonorrhea are the multiple anti-biotic resistant strain.  Ceftriaxone is the only treatment left and it is starting to fail in Asia and Europe.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Sun Dec 16th, 2012 at 12:03:48 PM EST
While you hear about this sometimes over here, the most common approach for funding school seems to be to take out massive student loans. With even state-run colleges costing upwards of $20,000 per year (tuition & living), there are a lot of people graduating with useless degrees and debt far beyond what they can hope to pay off.

In Colorado there is discussion about changing the fee structure so that students who pursue "business-ready" subjects (medicine, business, law, engineering) pay less than those who take degrees that do not lead directly and obviously to jobs. This leads to hand-wringing about "the purpose of a university is not to be a trade school," but I think that's a bit unrealistic. If you go to a school like Harvard or Cambridge, etc., then you can study Philosophy or Classics because your daddy has a bank VP slot waiting for you after the Grand Tour is finished. It's probably not going to be possible to elevate everybody to that situation. (Or at least it would be if we were living under different political circumstances, but that ain't gonna happen.)

by asdf on Mon Dec 17th, 2012 at 10:42:04 AM EST
Well - it wasn't all that unrealistic when I was doing my degree. Quite a few people from my generation studied classics or philosophy for the sake of it.

The reality is that employers want to see evidence of application and achievement, and are just as happy to employ (e.g.) music grads as they are to employ engineers.

Or at least they used to be. Now they just want skilled interns who will work for free, and universities are supposed to produce cowed and stunted employees grateful for crumbs of corporate largesse and turbo-charged with the sacred urge to buy and sell shit.

Independent thinking is no longer welcome.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Dec 17th, 2012 at 11:02:51 AM EST
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"Now they just want skilled interns who will work for free,"

Unpaid internships are so out of date. Nowadays interns are expected to pay for the privilege of gathering experience.

by Katrin on Mon Dec 17th, 2012 at 11:32:28 AM EST
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Tuition was a minor expense for both of my degrees back in the first half of the '60s.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Dec 17th, 2012 at 12:58:38 PM EST
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Independent thinking is no longer welcome.

So die civilizations.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 17th, 2012 at 02:08:18 PM EST
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The stupid, it burns.

No, what's happened is that we've conflated trade schools with universities. Mostly the fault of a middle income group pretending to be middle class and wanting all the middle class trimmings. Oh, and businesses want those new minions fully formed employees who they, in theory, don't have to train how to do their jobs.

The whole vocational training sector here has been elevated to university status and the universities have been required to become vocational training services. Just in case they'd encourage anyone to accidentally think a thought. Which is what happens when your country is run by people who qualified as school teachers so they'd have a secure fallback in case the whole political career didn't work out.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 17th, 2012 at 01:06:56 PM EST
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Right, but the practical problem is that new graduates with degrees in Chemical Engineering can go to work for ExxonMobil or BP and make $100,000 the first year out of school. Ditto the finance majors who go to Wall Street. Then there is a tail of electrical/civil/computer/mechanical engineers who might start in the neighorhood of $50,000, and then qualified schoolteachers (it is not as easy as falling off a log to get a high school teaching job) starting at $25,000. Then an even longer tail of Philosophy, Sociology, Classics, Women's Studies, and Kinetic Motion majors who are unable to find a job of any sort.

How do you convince Shell to hire a Modern Dance major?

When I was in college, I was able to make $2300 in a summer--exactly the cost of tuition and living expenses for a year. At my first job, I made $8000. Nowadays, the price of school is up by a factor of ten, to around $23,000, but there are very few jobs available where you start at $80,000. Engineering, finance, law, physician...

by asdf on Mon Dec 17th, 2012 at 01:45:35 PM EST
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Dito. My first 'professional' job was as a teacher in a private school and I made something under $6,000. The next year I made something over $6,000. (To get a decent salary required working in the public school system, which required a teaching certificate.) This was for 10 months work. But this was 1967 and I could rent a one bedroom apartment in Santa Monica, five blocks downhill to the beach, for $67/mo. Hell, unemployment paid about $67/week at that time. And, because I was teaching, the payments on my ~$2000 student loan were deferred or forgiven, can't remember which. It is a totally different and worse world today for recent grads.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Dec 17th, 2012 at 10:23:37 PM EST
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I want Europeans to see that creating your own job is sexy - and the #Internet makes it possible http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_SPEECH-12-964_en.htm ... #DAE

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 18th, 2012 at 04:13:10 PM EST
Oh, I do like that one.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 18th, 2012 at 04:16:23 PM EST
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Neelie Kroes is such an idiot.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 18th, 2012 at 04:20:17 PM EST
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