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by afew Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 11:35:26 AM EST

Yes, definitely Wednesday


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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 11:36:09 AM EST
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 03:22:18 PM EST
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This is getting ridiculous.

Iranian computers are being targeted by malware that wipes entire disk partitions clean, according to an advisory issued by that country's Computer Emergency Response Team Coordination Center.

And this:

Risk Assessment / Security & Hacktivism
Developer warns of critical vulnerability in many Samsung smartphones
Hole in Android kernel gives full read-write permissions to all physical memory.

by Dan Goodin - Dec 17 2012, 1:53pm MST

    Android
    Privacy

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A software developer says he has identified a critical vulnerability in many Samsung smartphone models that can open up end users to malware attacks and expose bank account credentials and other sensitive data to attackers.

The security hole, according to a post published Saturday on the XDA Developer Forum, resides in the Android kernel of Samsung handsets running an Exynos 4210 or 4412 processor. While it creates a new and easier method for end users to root their devices, it also gives installed apps full read-write permissions to all physical memory. That, in turn, allows apps to gain unfettered control of a handset, opening the door to malware with rootkit-like capabilities. It also allows one app to monitor data processed by a second app or the operating system.

We learned back in the BBS days allowing external access to program memory would inevitably lead to security breaches.  

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot

by ATinNM on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 11:47:46 AM EST
The worrying thing about batchwiper is that they admit it was coded by amateurs, which suggests that it is unlikely to be restricted to Iranian systems and could soon run amok globally

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 11:53:50 AM EST
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The internet is insecure.  Windows is insecure.  OS/x is insecure.  According to Cambridge Labs Chinese sourced microprocessors have a back door and are thus insecure.  Software companies don't want to know because it would cut into their profit profile if they had to distribute using hard, i.e., secure, media.  

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot
by ATinNM on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 12:20:30 PM EST
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It's not just that, but the turn around time for new s/w and architecture would double which would impact the whole commercial paradigm of selling new stuff to replace the old stuff every 18 months.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 12:30:55 PM EST
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That was the business model but, alas (for them,) they have hit consumer resistance.

PC sales fell in 2012 after a flat 2011.  PCs with Windows 8 sales fell 21%, year/year.  Windows 8 tablet sales were "almost non-existent."  Dell is slumping.  HP is surviving on their printer sales.  The Apple iPad is eating everybody's lunch wrt sales because consumers already have a PC (or two or three) and the industry lacks a Must Have application.  

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot

by ATinNM on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 12:54:36 PM EST
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It's also because:

  1. Tablets cool new, PCs (etc) boring

  2. Tablets much cheaper and do almost as much

  3. Hardly anyone has spare money

It doesn't help that Windows 8 seems to have been designed by someone whose idea of a professional software design reference is a My Little Pony colouring book.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 04:04:33 PM EST
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Windows 8 is worse than that. A My Little Pony Colouring book with all the pages glued shut.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 05:15:50 PM EST
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I've recently bought an XBox. I was shocked to find that the Windows 8 interface, both for phones and for tablets and computers, is basically the same as the XBox interface. I don't think that's a good thing.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Dec 20th, 2012 at 02:31:55 AM EST
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That is why you need a Steve Jobs around to police what is allowed to run on your Macintosh. Or a Richard Stallman with a lot of free time to help you scan your Linux system...

With Windoze, you get the best of both worlds, access and usage restrictions, kludgy user interface, viruses galore AND no method to control any of it.

by asdf on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 03:32:20 PM EST
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Utah boy charged with bringing gun to school, cites fears of Newtown attack:

An 11-year-old Utah boy who said he brought a gun to school to protect himself from a Newtown-style attack, then brandished the pistol at three classmates during recess, has been detained on assault and weapons charges, a school spokesman said on Tuesday.

How fun.


Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot

by ATinNM on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 12:33:39 PM EST
We are witnessing the confluence of three hallowed American traditions: the senseless firearms rampage, the fearful yet psychotic embrace of said firearms and the aggressive stylization of clueless children as big-time criminals.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 12:41:04 PM EST
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Rolling Stone - Matt Taibbi - Outrageous HSBC Settlement Proves the Drug War is a Joke

If you've ever been arrested on a drug charge, if you've ever spent even a day in jail for having a stem of marijuana in your pocket or "drug paraphernalia" in your gym bag, Assistant Attorney General and longtime Bill Clinton pal Lanny Breuer has a message for you: Bite me.

Breuer this week signed off on a settlement deal with the British banking giant HSBC that is the ultimate insult to every ordinary person who's ever had his life altered by a narcotics charge. Despite the fact that HSBC admitted to laundering billions of dollars for Colombian and Mexican drug cartels (among others) and violating a host of important banking laws (from the Bank Secrecy Act to the Trading With the Enemy Act), Breuer and his Justice Department elected not to pursue criminal prosecutions of the bank, opting instead for a "record" financial settlement of $1.9 billion, which as one analyst noted is about five weeks of income for the bank.

The banks' laundering transactions were so brazen that the NSA probably could have spotted them from space. Breuer admitted that drug dealers would sometimes come to HSBC's Mexican branches and "deposit hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash, in a single day, into a single account, using boxes designed to fit the precise dimensions of the teller windows."



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 12:43:52 PM EST
fun fact : there are over 800 US military bases on foreign soil, but only 234 golf courses between them. That means there are over 500 military bases around the world without the basic facility of an 18 hole golf course.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 12:45:36 PM EST
I can assure you that those bases lacking such facilities are Army or Navy bases. The Air Force does not allow such shortfalls.
by asdf on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 03:33:27 PM EST
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From a friend of mines facebook page



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 01:12:15 PM EST
I don't get it. If they teach Gaelic in England, why not in Wales and Cornwall as well?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 01:42:20 PM EST
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Gaelic was spoken in Ireland, Isle of Man, and Scotland.  The language of Cornwall and Wales was Bythonic.  So it's like (kinda) saying they are going to allow Italian to be taught in Spain.  

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot
by ATinNM on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 01:55:00 PM EST
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Yes, but the UKIP said that they enthusiastically support teaching Gaelic in England....
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 02:00:17 PM EST
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What they possibly meant was they supported Ed Miliband in wanting English taught to immigrants..

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 02:03:59 PM EST
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UKIP are idiots.  

The Insular Celtic Language spoken in England was Brythonic not Gaelic.

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot

by ATinNM on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 02:05:00 PM EST
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Learning French is a barbaric Brussels imposition on the British people.

Gaelic is much better. Even the Lowland Scots could learn it to their profit.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 02:38:45 PM EST
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given how much trying to learn french hurt my brain, I think I agree with ukip on that {runs}

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 02:40:04 PM EST
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Gaelic for you!
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 02:55:05 PM EST
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You should try learning French wines {ducks}
by Bernard on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 05:03:39 PM EST
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I don't drink wine much, but I respect and prefer the wines of the SW cos they don't add sugar.

That said, the only time I drink wine these days is if I go to friends in france, wherein I drink whatever red they got.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 05:07:55 PM EST
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Seems like Latin would be more in line with generalized conservative thought. How the heck are they going to marshall a bunch of Gaelic speakers into mass?
by asdf on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 03:35:14 PM EST
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Sales soar for bulletproof kids backpack

It may sound like overkill, but companies selling bulletproof backpacks and body armor are seeing a surge in sales this week.

One Utah-based company called "Amendment 2" has had so many requests for information about its line of Kevlar-lined backpacks that its website is locking up.

Amendment2.com is one of several companies selling bulletproof clothing that also includes backpacks a school child could use to protect themselves during a school shooting.

Others are BulletBlocker.com and AcmeApproved.com.   Most of the backpacks sell for between $100 and $300. 

Some are reinforced versions of existing backpacks, including Disney Princess packs.



"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 02:23:54 PM EST
Yea, cos that makes so much more sense than a gun ban

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 02:39:05 PM EST
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Selling $10 backpacks for 10 to 30 times more makes the only sense I can see in that.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 02:56:07 PM EST
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making sense?

inventivity is the response to a situation as is, while waiting for better solutions.
shoulda put a snark tag, oops.

"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 03:04:35 PM EST
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The packs are not actually big enough to hide behind, even if you're in kindergarten. I suppose that you are supposed to watch the bullets as they come out of the gun and deflect them using the backpack, like Wonderwoman does--except that she doesn't need the backpack.

Warning, Wonderwoman videos ahead!

by asdf on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 03:41:09 PM EST
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On the cold ocean near the North Pole, a team of researchers encountered beautiful flower-like objects that begin growing right before your eyes.

Read the story behind these salty ocean blossoms: http://n.pr/VPVOgO

Photo: Courtesy of Matthias Wietz

h/t NPR

"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 02:31:33 PM EST

Suddenly There's A Meadow In The Ocean With 'Flowers' Everywhere : Krulwich Wonders... : NPR

Jeff's professor Jody Deming believes that as the poles warm, there will be more and more of these meadows, because there will be more and more open sea that turns to thin ice in winter. But as beautiful as they are, scientists prize frost flowers because they are so salty. These blossoms suck up seawater, concentrate the salt and have three times the salinity of the ocean. You could think of them as beautiful pickles.

Which is why it would be surprising to find anything alive in these things. But here comes the surprise. "If you take a frozen flower and let it melt," and that's what Jeff and his colleagues did ...

... what you get is about "one to two milliliters of water," Jeff told me. That's a wee small, very salty puddle.

And yet, he says, when he and colleagues checked, they found each frost flower housed about a million creatures. "That's 10 to the sixth! Yeah, a million bacteria."

Did that surprise you? I asked Jeff. Aren't bacteria everywhere? No, he said, not when the environment is so extremely salty, not when these bacteria are sitting on the icy surface exposed to ferociously cold air, much colder than they're used to in the sea, and not when they bathed in sunshine, which they don't see that often and shouldn't like.

No, he wasn't expecting them, and yet these bacteria seem to be very happy in their salty, sunny, freezing digs, doing -- well, that's the next question: What are they doing? Professor Deming and her team are eager to figure that out. Could they be ingesting something? Exhaling something? If these frost flower meadows are going to spread, we might want to find out.

the delicacy is astounding...

"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 07:05:15 PM EST
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Remember when I asked you all for help in finding housing for a woman suffering from Asperger's in March or April?

This woman's sister has a restraining order against her, mostly because, contrary to what has been reported in the media, Asperger sufferers DO have a problem with anger and violence, but this abates quite a bit as they get older and are better able to deal with their frustrations.  I know she is not violent, but from what she has told me, she used to be.  

Interestingly, she looks awfully like Adam Lanza, the shooter from Newton, Conn. even though she is female and older.  

Her father also wants to gain custody over her, so he can get benefits and treatment for her.  Her reaction has been to hide across the border, in Strasbourg in France.

by stevesim on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 02:55:40 PM EST
Wrong

Stop Blaming Newtown Tragedy On Mental Illness - The Daily Beast

The Huffington Post published a corrective article, "No Link Between Asperger's Syndrome And Violence, Experts Say." But to date, the corrective article has only received 2,500 Facebook "likes" compared to the more than a million received by Long's original piece. The misinformation had circled the virtual world before the truth had even begun to get its cyber-boots on.


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 03:20:33 PM EST
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but there is a link between Asperger's and violence, as a quick google search will tell you.

Kids (and adults) with Aspergers and High-Functioning Autism are prone to frustration, anger - and sometimes violence. The rapidity and intensity of anger, often in response to a relatively trivial event, can be extreme. When feeling angry, the child with Aspergers does not appear to be able to pause and think of alternative strategies to resolve the situation. There is often an instantaneous physical response without careful thought. When the anger is intense, the youngster with Aspergers may be in a blind rage and unable to see the signals indicating that it would be appropriate to stop.

http://www.myaspergerschild.com/2010/06/anger-and-violence-in-aspergers.html

It's interesting that everything written after Newtown says no, everything prior says yes.

by stevesim on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 03:31:04 PM EST
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No Link Between Asperger's Syndrome And Violence, Experts Say

NEW YORK -- While an official has said that the 20-year-old gunman in the Connecticut school shooting had Asperger's syndrome, experts say there is no connection between the disorder and violence.

Asperger's is a mild form of autism often characterized by social awkwardness.

"There really is no clear association between Asperger's and violent behavior," said psychologist Elizabeth Laugeson, an assistant clinical professor at the University of California, Los Angeles.

(...)

Research suggests people with autism do have a higher rate of aggressive behavior - outbursts, shoving or pushing or angry shouting - than the general population, he said.

"But we are not talking about the kind of planned and intentional type of violence we have seen at Newtown," he said in an email.

"These types of tragedies have occurred at the hands of individuals with many different types of personalities and psychological profiles," he added.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 03:51:08 PM EST
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and if you google Asperger's and violence, you will see many links saying that there is a correlation.

only those pages dating after the incident say that there isn't.  in fact, Asperger's sufferers are known for getting extremely angry and violent.

by stevesim on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 03:53:50 PM EST
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And if you Google autism and vaccines, you will see even more links saying that there is a correlation.

The number of links that you can muster on Google does not matter if they are all shit.

- Jake

Austerity can only be implemented in the shadow of a concentration camp.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 04:02:52 PM EST
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and if you google evolution, you will find that people say that it's only a theory.

Asperger's kids are known for their violent temper tantrums.

These include motor clumsiness, insensitivity to another's feelings, destructivity, aggression, endlessly bottled-up anger, violent outbursts, and grim sadism. Some of these set Asperger apart from classical autism, and failing to include them in the criteria makes it appear as if Asperger and autism are really the same.

http://www.paulcooijmans.com/asperger/straight_talk_about_asperger.html

written  BEFORE Newtown

by stevesim on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 04:06:35 PM EST
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You keep serving up the same shit. That it comes from a different unsourced web site doesn't make it less shit.

You're making medical claims here, you need to provide medical evidence. That means published studies. Because the plural form of 'anecdote' is 'anecdotes,' not 'data.'

and if you google evolution, you will find that people say that it's only a theory.

Thank you for making my point that you shouldn't try to use links to random unsourced websites on the Internet to make your point.

As you keep trying to do.

- Jake

Austerity can only be implemented in the shadow of a concentration camp.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 06:26:12 PM EST
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Well I spent a time working for an Autism Charity. Nothing that I saw there suggested  an increase in levels of violence

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 07:14:26 PM EST
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Really?

Just because someone decides not to do any studies on something that is self-evident doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

by stevesim on Thu Dec 20th, 2012 at 02:12:33 AM EST
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Perhaps you should use that as your sig line?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Dec 20th, 2012 at 02:18:22 AM EST
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This condition has been studied to death and back again over the last decade and a half, because the anti-vaccine nutters (a bunch of walking, talking public health hazards if ever there was one) decided to make autism their cause celebre. In particular when compared to equally or more severe mental conditions, for which the social response has been to criminalize and institutionalize and be done with it.

If you're reading pop-science coverage of ten years old literature on this subject, you might as well be back in the days of electroshock therapy for all the relevance it has to the current body of evidence.

- Jake

Austerity can only be implemented in the shadow of a concentration camp.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Dec 20th, 2012 at 06:09:56 PM EST
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Do try to reference actual literature. The Internet abounds with blogs by parents of kids on the spectrum, expounding a variety of more or less silly ideas. Ranging from mostly harmless armchair psychology to full-on public health hazards like the Mercury Militia.

And usually more silly than less, as sensible, ethical parents do not offer the details of their children's private lives for public consumption. Such self-selection ensures that the preponderance of these blogs are run by parents who are deficient of either judgment or ethics.

Incidentally, social isolation is a demonstrated cause of all the symptoms you describe. What you are seeing as a correlation (if indeed it's even there) between kids on the spectrum and poor anger management is far more likely to be a correlation between kids on the spectrum and kids at the bottom of the pecking order.

One might reasonably argue that this is less a problem with kids on the spectrum than it is a problem with a society that tolerates a social dynamic in the school environment that would get any adult workplace shut down in ten seconds flat.

- Jake

Austerity can only be implemented in the shadow of a concentration camp.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 03:59:56 PM EST
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I don't believe that it has to do with social pecking order as much as it has to do with overstimulation of the senses.  I know I get irritable under those circumstances, and I cannot imagine having to deal with that every single day and night, especially as a child.

With more and more children exhibiting these symptoms, the time has come to do a lot more research on the subject and try to find the cause of this.

by stevesim on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 04:09:22 PM EST
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I don't care what you believe. Medicine is not a faith-based initiative, and you are making medical claims. It's not like this condition hasn't been studied extensively. So when you clamor for "moar studies," I cannot help but read that as a demand for a Mulligan.

Oh, and it is extremely doubtful whether "more and more children" are, in fact, on the spectrum. Diagnostic substitution, diagnostic broadening, improved screening and awareness and reduction of social stigma attached to the diagnosis all work to increase the reported rate, irrespective of the development in the underlying real rate.

- Jake

Austerity can only be implemented in the shadow of a concentration camp.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 06:33:36 PM EST
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all the evidence suggests that this is true

 

Diagnostic substitution, diagnostic broadening, improved screening and awareness and reduction of social stigma attached to the diagnosis all work to increase the reported rate,


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 07:16:20 PM EST
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JakeS:
It's not like this condition hasn't been studied extensively.

yeah, these individuals would have been called 'highly strung', 'tightly wound', or 'prone to conniptions, fits or the vapors', all the way to 'screw loose' and 'bats in the belfry'.

we got much fancier names now, same old ferments, different bottles...

"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 07:17:24 PM EST
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Oh, and it is extremely doubtful whether "more and more children" are, in fact, on the spectrum. Diagnostic substitution, diagnostic broadening, improved screening and awareness and reduction of social stigma attached to the diagnosis all work to increase the reported rate, irrespective of the development in the underlying real rate.
NPR: What's A Mental Disorder? Even Experts Can't Agree (by ALIX SPIEGEL, December 29, 2010)
In a small condo on the beach in San Diego lives Allen Frances, who blames himself for what he calls the "Epidemic of Asperger's." Frances edited the last edition of the DSM, and he's also the new DSM's most prominent critic.

Frances is the one who put the word Asperger's in the DSM in the first place, thereby making it an official mental disorder.

...

"Pediatricians and child psychiatrists would see kids who could talk but who had social discomfort -- severe social discomfort -- and awkwardness and a very restricted and impairing level of interests and activities, and they wanted a diagnosis for this," Frances says.

...

A study was done to figure out how common Asperger's was, and the results were clear: It was vanishingly rare. Then Frances put it in the DSM, and the number of kids diagnosed with the disorder exploded. Frances remembers sitting in his condo reading articles about this new epidemic of Asperger's that was sweeping the nation.

...

... And Frances points to another change he made -- which, for him, has had even more disturbing consequences. Essentially, Frances and his colleagues made it much easier to get a diagnosis of bipolar disorder. And he says that created this incredible opportunity for drug companies.



I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Dec 20th, 2012 at 02:30:30 AM EST
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JakeS:
Incidentally, social isolation is a demonstrated cause of all the symptoms you describe.

Going through school shootings in my mind (Newtown, Winnenden, Virginia Tech, Erfurt, Columbine, ...), it seems to me that being at the bottom of the pecking order is the common denominator.

I agree that the spectrum is probably not relevant at all.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 04:31:22 PM EST
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feeling powerless socially is always dangerous, but in this case, people feel powerless against all of the stimuli that a normal person deals with every day.
by stevesim on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 04:37:17 PM EST
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i agree, the bombardment to the mind from all the stimuli causes it to 'meltdown' under the pressure of trying to make any coherent narrative of rushing phenomena.

it's the same instinct in adults travelling far to find 'peace', a place to unplug, cut loose and rest the weary soul.

for kids it's amplified, and for sensitive kids, with no operative boundaries or filters, it makes them go wild in an effort to distract themselves, a bit like mashing a fist through a wall when angry, a reflection of their perceived environment with an irritability factor way into the red.

strengthening the nervous system is probably the answer, with frequent mental 'breaks' and plenty of outdoors activities, (not to mention a diet free of satfat and saccharine).

often 'lonerism' in youth is a mix of shyness and affectation, -if i can't have friends, then i don't want them- and i do think efforts to reach out to them, find common ground, with luck friend- and mentor-ships could emerge and help these kids realise that while they may be unusual, that doesn't mean they have to be alone.
save a lot of possible grief down the road... tho' you'd have to do it carefully so not to create a counterforce achieving the opposite effect, or do the lazy way by insisting for convenience that all kids try and force themselves into any one institutionally proscribed mold.

what makes it so difficult for the schools is that the major personality and character cast happens before the kids get to them, and the easy kids are the ones that got the emotional support they need from the crib on, whereas those less fortunate create so many headaches for teachers and fellow students, it only takes one in a class to cause serious disruption, and more can cause chaos.

and that's way before even thinking about adding guns to the discussion...

"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 06:29:29 PM EST
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Using inhibiting neurotransmitters is beneficial but the problem is, there are so many areas of the brain that are affected that it is difficult.

Another difficulty to these kids is that the world doesn't seem to function according to the rules they think it does, and they are rejected in their feeble attempts to interact with others.

Most of the violence that people notice with Asperger's is self-inflicted btw.  

by stevesim on Thu Dec 20th, 2012 at 02:16:13 AM EST
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Using inhibiting neurotransmitters is beneficial

I was never much of a fan of lobotomies, chemical or otherwise.

- Jake

Austerity can only be implemented in the shadow of a concentration camp.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Dec 20th, 2012 at 06:15:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It's interesting that everything written after Newtown says no, everything prior says yes.

Pejorative stereotyping can only make things worse - in just about every dimension of the situation.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 04:37:44 PM EST
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this is what I object to in the USA -  Truth is always a victim to politics, even scientific truth.
by stevesim on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 04:43:11 PM EST
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An isolated truth in a spectacular case can prejudice the popular view of hundreds of thousand people who forget the qualifiers.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 04:45:52 PM EST
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it's a damned shame that we cannot deal with facts but must manipulate them to achieve our aims, no matter how noble.
by stevesim on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 04:48:41 PM EST
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A first step toward dealing with facts is to make sure that they are actually, you know, facts.

Spreading pejorative rumors about a person or group of people with reckless disregard for the factual accuracy of said statements is generally frowned upon.

- Jake

Austerity can only be implemented in the shadow of a concentration camp.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 06:38:59 PM EST
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As is presenting 'information' without the proper context. Indeed, lots of pogroms in Europe and lynchings in the USA were deliberately started in just such a manner. An emotionally charged event can easily be misused, even when there is some basis in fact, to tar a whole group. In order not to incite to riot it is necessary to consider the likely effects of 'information' before it is disseminated.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 07:45:37 PM EST
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oh please!  comparing this to pogroms is just plain hyperbole.
by stevesim on Thu Dec 20th, 2012 at 03:40:40 AM EST
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UBS Is Fined $1.5 Billion for Manipulating Libor Rates - Bloomberg

UBS was ordered to pay a total of about $1.5 billion to U.S., U.K. and Swiss regulators for trying to rig global interest rates, including Libor, over a six-year period. Regulators found that traders at the Zurich-based bank made more than 2,000 requests to its own rate submitters, traders at other banks and brokers to manipulate rate submissions through 2010.

UBS Japan agreed to plead guilty in connection with the rate-rigging investigation, while UBS AG (UBSN), the parent company, entered a non-prosecution agreement with the Justice Department. `Robust' Resolution

The U.S. Justice Department weighed the consequences to market confidence among the bank's trading counter-parties before entering a non-prosecution agreement with the UBS parent company, Breuer said at the news conference. "Our goal here is not to destroy a major financial institution," he said. "By any fair criteria this is a very real, very robust and very forceful resolution."



"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 02:56:00 PM EST
Fines achieve nothing, UBS will simply pass whatever costs aren't tax deductible (most if not all I hear) on to their client base in sightly inflated charges.

It's just part of the old boys club money go round. Trebles all round.

the only thing that will stop it will be to fine the individuals involved a shit load of money exceeding their bonuses for the years they did it. And jail their bosses.

Everything else is just a nod and a wink to carry on

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 03:03:36 PM EST
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now UBS in Japan has been found guilty of some unethical behaviour as well.
by stevesim on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 03:31:59 PM EST
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now UBS in Japan has been found guilty of some unethical behaviourcrimes as well.

FIFY.

- Jake

Austerity can only be implemented in the shadow of a concentration camp.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 03:47:54 PM EST
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Is it still (de facto) a crime if no one is ever indicted?

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 04:32:38 PM EST
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You don't have that nasty word 'sentence' when you have a plea bargain. That is why it is such a bargain for the perps.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 04:39:37 PM EST
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De facto, no, of course not.

But we still call robbing a bank the old-fashioned way a crime even if the robber gets out of the conviction (say, by fingering the chap who put him up to it). I see no reason we should give the Masters of the Universe a linguistic free pass.

- Jake

Austerity can only be implemented in the shadow of a concentration camp.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 06:33:47 PM EST
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quite the snarl-up with the vaccine workers in pakistan killed by the taliban. apparently in some situations the taliban have been supportive of infant vaccination. (bbc)

the bin laden effect still resonates.

"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 03:07:57 PM EST
The CIA used a fake vaccination drive to find out Bin Laden's whereabouts.  Is that what you are referring to?
by stevesim on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 03:54:59 PM EST
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Yea, I felt it was pretty much a given that vaccination was gonna be problematic once the CIA started boasting that this was how they got their man

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 04:20:59 PM EST
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Talk about compromising sources and methods! And the fallout is on unknowing medical service providers. What a pack of geniuses we have.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 04:41:37 PM EST
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"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 07:53:46 PM EST
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BBC News - Pakistan killings near Peshawar disrupt polio campaign

Two polio vaccination workers have been killed in north-western Pakistan in the latest of a spate of deadly attacks.

The shootings in the Peshawar region left a vaccination supervisor and her driver dead, and injured a volunteer.

The deaths brought to eight the number of health workers killed in this week's anti-polio drive. The three-day drive is now over.

No group has claimed responsibility, but the Taliban have issued threats against the UN's anti-polio efforts.

The militants have accused health workers of working as US spies and say the vaccine makes children sterile.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 04:19:02 PM EST
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A Spot for Tea - The Morning News

The deal (it was cash) paid $15.50 a share (a 54 percent premium on the closing price of the stock) and gave Starbucks (which already owns Tazo, a new-agey tea subsidiary) a "two-tiered" position in the domestic tea market. To read the document, one might think this was a move to define the hot beverage industry for years to come.

In an interview after the announcement Shultz offered the kicker, "We can create very unique brewed teas," he said, "customized hot and cold beverages analogous to the espresso bars we introduced in the mid-'80s--and do for tea what we did for coffee."

Let us, for a moment, gloss over the fact that Shultz modified the absolute (remember, always, Strunk and White's "unique eggbeater"), and take the second proclamation. What has Starbucks done for coffee, after all, but burn the crap out of it, drown it in syrups, and make it synonymous world over with free wireless, acceptable seating, and a dearth of electrical outlets?

Lots.



"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 03:18:25 PM EST
I suspect that tea in the rest of the world is a horse of a very different colour from that which we know in the UK.

Everywhere else, weak tasteless dishwater seems to be acceptable. In the UK, it had better be brown and assam based. I quite like yunnan stye teas, but I do insist on them being brewed properly, which is a feat I have never seen achieved in any commercial fast food style establishment. and i fear I would be disappointed with these new places.

Bring back british rail tea, left to stew for half an hour. The people who banned it were either coffee drinkers or considered fizzy spring water in glass bottles the height of refreshment

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 04:14:40 PM EST
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Helen:
Everywhere else, weak tasteless dishwater seems to be acceptable

Everywhere? I remember MillMan saying that after tea in Asia tea in the Western world was a joke.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 04:26:11 PM EST
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I've never been there so I don't know. i'm willing to be educated but the only asian style tea I've had was tibetan which was stewed and flavored with rancid yaks milk. I quite enjoyed it but my friend was repulsed

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 04:53:50 PM EST
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Coffee found in fast food emporiums is undrinkable: stale, flat, and made from rancid ground beans that were roasted a year previous.

Methinks the whole point of fast food is make dining out a thoroughly painful experience.  Idiots can't even make a hamburger anymore.

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot

by ATinNM on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 04:58:52 PM EST
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Amazing program on France 3 about people who denounced their compatriots to the Germans during wWII.
by stevesim on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 05:14:16 PM EST
anyone listen to ira glass's 'this american life' podcast?

today it was the story of a evangelical preacher, ex oral roberts uni, who became immensely rich, popular and successful, then had an epiphany about the nature of hell.
he could no longer conceive of a lovable or respectable god who would make send an unbaptised baby to hell just because it had never had the gospel preached to it.

so he tried to teach his followers about a universally inclusive religion that paid attention to the hells man creates for his own life here on earth, and drop the use of a supposed afterlife state of everlasting wailing and gnashing and fire and brimstone.

he pointed out that the bible was a collection of tales deemed worthy of inclusion in the compendium long ago, and there was no way it could be literal and inerrant.

oh boy, did his career crash and burn!

his preaching style is hilariously carny-comedic, contrasting well with the dry humour of ira's approach.
classy podcast...

if you like razor sharp, think on a dime intra-jewish humour (think updated stream of consciousness philip roth-meets-woody allen-on-steroids', there's WTF podcast with marc maron. this is profanity-ridden stuff, belly-laugh funny, with a revealing look inside a comedy subculture, from the inside. fascinating.

i confess an equivocal relationship with 'desert island discs', the intro music makes for oneasy listening, but the people she has on can be marvellous.

for science i love 'little atoms' and 'little atoms road trip', both regularly mindblowing.

for politics 'electric politics', tho he's taking a break now, as is james kunstler.

'the moth' is great story slams, highly recc'd.

motley blues and roots music viewed from an affably demented down-under dj, go 'salty dog blues and roots', and 'the roadhouse' are good romps through good, relatively unheard/up'n'coming blues

anyone else listen to cool podcasts? have some to recommend?

"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 07:40:46 PM EST


"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 at 07:45:45 PM EST


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