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by afew Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 11:16:31 AM EST

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 11:16:59 AM EST
Dance to Numa Numa?



Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot

by ATinNM on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 11:24:26 AM EST
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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 11:33:18 AM EST
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The funny thing is that in the late 1950s the music got a lot better, and the dancing got a lot worse...
by asdf on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 08:38:39 PM EST
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All those new dances that were launched, the Madison, the Twist, the Mashed Potato, the Locomotion, were part of the drive to clean up rock and roll for nice white youngsters -- even if black singers were used to promote them. All that pelvic gyration had been a bit too... suggestive.

Thank godness Elvis sang "Wooden Heart" and best-selling hymns.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Dec 6th, 2012 at 02:14:04 AM EST
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Right on. Can't be having too much of that shimmy, shimmy stuff going on.
by sgr2 on Fri Dec 7th, 2012 at 12:16:54 PM EST
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Meanwhile, on the Internet:

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 11:37:16 AM EST
A poll found that 25% of Americans have an opinion on the Panetta-Burns plan. Tiny problem: this plan doesn't exist.
by Katrin on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 12:09:46 PM EST
no doubt it will involve Smithers doing something humiliating

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 12:49:47 PM EST
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The same PPP survey also showed that Americans have a higher opinion of Gallup than of Nate Silver. They weren't asked their opinion of PPP.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 12:56:22 PM EST
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How many americans have ever heard of Nate Silver?

Nate Silver is just crack for political junkies.

by IM on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 01:03:40 PM EST
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But a choice between Gallup and a dead cockroach should have given the thumbs up to the roach.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 01:11:49 PM EST
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But that didn't stop them having an opinion about him....
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 01:23:47 PM EST
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I refuse to get into the Yuletide spirit yet. I can't even use the C or X word. I avoid shops or displays with any Yulish appeal to any of my senses.

However, tomorrow is Finland's Independence Day and it needs a bit of support from those of the secular persuasion. No flags, though if Mats, our military man, was here, he'd certainly be out at 0600 tomorrow with a neatly folded semaphoric textile. He's a bit of a stickler for flag procedures.

It's a public holiday - and that's worth celebrating. Tomorrow evening almost the entire Finnish population will be glued to the Independence Day gala at the President's Palace. It starts with about 90 minutes of plain vanilla handshaking (where are you Warhol?) as the President greets diplomats, clergy, parliamentarians, civil servicers, the good works crowd, the genuine celebrities with something to celebrate, and then samples from the B, C and D-lists.

As this hypnotic ritual transfixes families from Helsinki to Rovaniemi and beyond, the commentators argue about who is who in the queue. And there's a resident fashion consultant or two to critique the ball gowns - and this is a ball gown event par excellence.

I won't be watching. Haven't done so for about 20 years. It gets very very hot and sweaty in the ballroom, which makes people thirsty, so they drink more punch, and then at midnight they all go off to swanky after parties and get trashed. Last year I saw an African diplomat rolling in the snow outside one of our trendier establishments.

All this will be solved - so they promise - by the renovations in the Palace which start next year.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 12:22:29 PM EST
Finnish meet and greet lasts one and a half hours ????

jeez, gotta admire the tenacity to keep a condescending grin on for that time

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 12:51:23 PM EST
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1800 guests. And it last a bot longer than 90 mins - couples get about 5 seconds each. We obviously need to heed Jake S and design a Presidential handshaking machine.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 02:10:41 PM EST
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Upper-hierarchy drudgery. Appalling.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 02:43:03 PM EST
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Both say "Love your hair"

Each thinks "How can she go out like that ?"

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 02:46:43 PM EST
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Steady on!

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 03:59:22 PM EST
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On the left, figuratively and literally, that's Sofi Oksanen one of our leading younger novelists (with an international bestseller). On the right, but on the Left, is former President Tarja Halonen.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 03:58:26 PM EST
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Farewell to Mr Brubeck.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 12:29:40 PM EST
how do they keep their jackets and ties on under the studio lights ? Don't they just melt in the heat ?

the pianist seems very fixated on his leader {smirk}



keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 12:48:58 PM EST
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I appreciate he was most famous for Take 5, but this is more my style



keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 12:54:18 PM EST
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Same here - I was searching quickly for a decent video.

Thanks to my sister, I was introduced at an early age to Brubeck, MJQ, Thelonius, Miles and people like Phineas Newborn...



You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 12:58:33 PM EST
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All I would do is bitch and who needs to read that. Later.

The good news ... it's only a life sentence. You eventually leave this planet of idiots.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 12:52:29 PM EST
Autumn financial statement today in the UK. It's where the Chancellor gets up and just lies his face off about how the country is doing.

Politics - Ian Dunt - Osborne loses touch with reality

The gap between reality and fiction starts with the name. As commuters struggled to get to work because of ice on the line, George Osborne unveiled the autumn statement. There was nothing autumnal about it. This was winter all over.

By the time the chancellor got to the Commons, reality was his plaything, an annoying sound in the corner of the room which he could ignore if he put on headphones.

His tone was victorious, valedictory, magnanimous, triumphant. "It's taking time, but the British economy is healing," he began, starting as he meant to go on, with nonsense.

money quote

Osborne repeated the same set of policies we've heard from him before, with the confident expectation they would produce different results.


keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 12:59:28 PM EST
"it hasn't worked, doesn't work, so it must work!"

TI after all NA.

"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 01:30:25 PM EST
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Independent - Matthew Norman - George Osborne's cruel Autumn Statement will create a winter of discontent for the disabled

I doubt this is textbook advice on how to handle one of those psychotic jags that affect us every now and again. But in a bid to suppress, or at least postpone, a fantasy involving a baseball bat, various government horrors and indemnity granted by the Queen to mark the happy news, let us begin with the most trivial of the rage-generators on offer today.

Why the hell is the torrent of self-righteous disingenuousness due from the Chancellor's sneery mouth this afternoon known as "the Autumn Statement"? Does it look like autumn to you? Does it feel like the season of mellow fruitfulness? The trees are leafless, snow covers swathes of the North, and even here in the soft South it is barely above freezing.

This is unforgiving winter just as it is for the economy, and whatever that professional failure of a misrouted Regency fop intones at the Dispatch Box, bleak midwinter it will remain for longer than he can possibly foresee. If this were Groundhog Day, Punsatawney Phil would take one sniff of the breeze and shoot himself through the head with a Magnum .44.

money quotes..

In a memorable South Bank Show long ago, Melvyn Bragg asked Ian Dury if being pitied and patronised was the worst thing about being disabled. No, Dury gently rebuked, the worst thing about being disabled is being disabled. But having Esther McVey as minister for the disabled may be a close second. Interviewed in this newspaper yesterday, Ms McVey unleashed a platitude of hyper-Brentian idiocy to offer a reason to be cheerful to those who have had their benefit removed or cut, or live in mortal terror of it happening. "Do not be fearful," consoled the former children's TV presenter. "This could be positive for you."
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Over many years of closely observing British politics, I can remember little as nauseating as a minister blithely informing the heartbroken and impoverished, without a prayer of finding work in our perpetual economic midwinter, to regard the removal of income, purpose and dignity as "positive". Even Brent, who introduced his promotion at the cost of his staff's jobs as "good news and bad news", never reached such a zenith of cretinous insensitivity


keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 01:43:08 PM EST
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Can't find the link right now, but the FT had an article today saying that what had been shown to date was that the British had lots more tolerance for austerity than the political class had expected, and did believe TINA.

Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 06:02:38 PM EST
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Of course they believe in TINA; absolutely nobody is making a case for TARA.

The biggest fault lies with the Labour party who, post Bliar, are ideologically bankrupt. A shell of  aparty making conservative gestures without understanding why or what they might be. To ensure complicity, Ed Miliband saddled himself with Ed Balls as shadow chancellor, a wholly captured neoliberal who completely agrees with George Osborne.

So the difference between the parties is merely presentational, the labour party simply wants to put a pretty pink bow on the same pile of shit.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Dec 6th, 2012 at 02:04:09 AM EST
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Budget day today here.

Full of stupid. Shockingly.

Details here, if you want to lose the will to live.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 01:02:07 PM EST
Including the decision that next year (and possible after that, I'm not clear), car license plates will be of the form "131 D 00000" in the first half of the year and "132 D 00000" in the second half of the year, so that we don't have unlucky "13 D 00000" plates. Or something.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 01:12:11 PM EST
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I don't know if this has been posted elsewhere

Telegraph -  - Bristol Christian Union 'bans women speakers'

   Bristol University Christian Union have forbidden women from speaking at their weekly meetings. The move reflects the recent decision by the Church of England synod to reject the introduction of female bishops, consequently ignoring the last century of the equal rights movement.

    Having spent `a lot of time exploring this issue, seeking God's wisdom on it and discussing it together' the CU executive committee decided that it was no longer appropriate for women to teach alone at weekly meetings, or be the main speaker at the CU weekend away. Women are now also banned from speaking alone at the group's mission weeks.

    However, it's not all gloom and doom: women are allowed to speak as a double act with their husbands. Those who are unmarried must remain silent.



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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 01:10:04 PM EST
A woman would have to have some serious Self-Esteem issues to continue to be associated with these arseholes.

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot
by ATinNM on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 03:30:39 PM EST
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Austerity can only be implemented in the shadow of a concentration camp.
by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 04:40:07 PM EST
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Did you read the comments on that article? They are completely incomprehensible...
by asdf on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 08:49:47 PM EST
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You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 04:24:58 PM EST
71 planes in 5 hours is not that much, is it?


Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 06:01:33 PM EST
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One ever 4 minutes and 14 seconds.

Not a lot for the airport, no. You can probably squeeze it down to one every 3½ minute turnover without compromising safety.

The people who live next to the airport I would expect to disagree, though.

- Jake

Austerity can only be implemented in the shadow of a concentration camp.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 06:20:44 PM EST
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In SAN, the airport is in the middle of downtown. A great number of people are in the flight path, but it is closed to takeoffs and landings from about 10 PM to about 7 AM. I have friends who live in the flight path, and one recently had triple-glazed windows installed at public expense.

Of course it would make sense to move the airport, and there is an ideal place to put it, but it is owned and jealously guarded by the Military, and said to be indispensible for national defense.

by greatferm (greatferm-at-email.com) on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 11:48:41 PM EST
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ah here it is (in French), it has been mentioned that the airport of Nantes, which carries 3.2 million passengers per year, is smaller than that of San Diego, which carries 18 million per year.

Yet it is urgent to build a new, bigger airport for Nantes. Clowns.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Dec 6th, 2012 at 04:46:07 AM EST
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Come now, it has been urgent for forty years. Surely that counts for something?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Dec 6th, 2012 at 04:56:08 AM EST
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smaller bigger than that of San Diego


It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Thu Dec 6th, 2012 at 05:53:55 AM EST
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I thought only the Spanish built airports for no foreseeable future traffic, not the French or, perish the thought, the Germans.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Dec 6th, 2012 at 09:26:57 AM EST
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Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 07:20:21 PM EST
Actually, I think the biggest (and most pernicious) waste of EU funds is the British rebate.

When Thatcher said she wanted her money back, they should have given her all her money back and told her to sod off with it.

- Jake

Austerity can only be implemented in the shadow of a concentration camp.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Dec 5th, 2012 at 08:52:05 PM EST
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Good for Verhofstadt.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Dec 6th, 2012 at 02:19:08 AM EST
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by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Dec 6th, 2012 at 05:29:52 AM EST


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