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by dvx Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:16:41 PM EST

Do, re, mi!


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For those part time Leveson watchers, Today has been a good one. Heather Mills  suggesting that Piers Morgan wasnt telling the truth, and this afternoon, Paul Dacre getting slapped around by Hugh Grant's lawyer, and trying to be obnoxious and brazen it out, to the extenet that firstly he appeared to annoy Judge L to the extent he appeared to give Grants lawyer free reign, and secondly to give the imnpression that he was being exactly the opposite of truthful..

Strangely many journalsits seem to be seeing it as a Win for Dacre, I can only see it as Stockholm syndrome.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:26:46 PM EST
Yea, but they know, and we know that Leveson can't possibly do anything too radical and so this has just become a kind of Truth and Reconciliations panel where aggrieved people go to describe how their lives were affected by the feral pack of Fleet St's finest while FSF try to look contrite and not smirk too openly.

But Dacre views himself as the Voice of Little England, with a profit margin and circulation to prove it. If his paper prints it, it must be relevant to England and it must be true and the man who make it so is a prince among men. And this self-adoration is reflected by the awe of FSF who will never write anything to offend him in case it becomes career-limiting.

So Dacre did win, it must be so as the histories will record it thus. And he will not be gainsaid by Leveson who has easier and smaller fish to fry.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 01:19:01 PM EST
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Helen:
If his paper prints it, it must be relevant to England and it must be true and the man who make it so is a prince among men

Come on, Dacre doesn't think this for a minute. He's way too cynical for that.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 02:37:06 PM EST
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I dunno, I do think he has an inflated sense of his own importance in reflecting the views of the "silent Majority". His newspaper doesn't just guide the thinking of the conservative electorate, I know for a fact that what is in the paper drives the agenda of Radio 4 Today programme and the BBC1 6 o'clock news much more than all other news media combined.

It was always a strange fact that journos read the guardian, but they pay attention to the Daily Mail. Dacre has his tentacles wrapped around an influential part of the English electorate, the aspirational working and middle classes as well as the self entitled upper middle class. That's power, that's influence right there. And all journalists fear the man who taps that power.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Feb 10th, 2012 at 02:21:28 AM EST
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3/4 of the way there.

Very impressed by the weather news in bulgaria tonight, the entire northern half of the country is below -15.

Meanwhile in Sandanski, it roared up to 4 degrees, that's +4.

Just hoping that Sofia airport will be open next tuesday

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 01:23:30 PM EST
good luck then

-15 is not so bad if you have a warm roof over your head.

by stevesim on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 01:37:27 PM EST
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I watched Ghost Writer today and found it quite naïve

To assume that someone like Tony Blair acted the way he did during the Iraq war because he was a CIA agent is being really naïve as old Tony had nothing but £££ and $$$ signs in his eyes and did not require the CIA indoctrination.

by stevesim on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 01:39:20 PM EST
Well I don't think it's that simple either, I think theres probably lots of reasons. The Money obsession is, I'm sure more a figment of the right wing press.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 02:41:31 PM EST
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Nevertheless, given the amount of sanctimonious nonsense flying around that Cherie was much more left wing than Tony, I'm quite sure a lot of people will enjoy the suggestion that she was a CIA asset.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 02:51:26 PM EST
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Rasmussen Reports
With positive ratings for Congress at an all-time low, it may come as no surprise that a plurality of voters nationwide believes a group of people randomly selected from a telephone book would do a better job than the current legislators.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely U.S. Voters shows that 43% believe a group of people randomly selected from the phone book would do a better job than the current Congress. Thirty-eight percent (38%) disagree with that assessment, while another 19% are not sure.

43% of Americans still know what a telephone book is?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 02:47:14 PM EST
you mean there are still people who give a shit what Rasmussen says ?

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 02:52:20 PM EST
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Were there such a thing as a national referendum, (and I shudder at the thought), now might be a good time to put forth a proposition to select congressmen, senators and agency heads by sortition, as Migeru has suggested. But we probably would simultaneously repeal the Bill of Rights.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 03:45:36 PM EST
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Hungary's central bank burns old currency notes to help needy in cold snap - Telegraph
Hungary's central bank is burning old monetary notes to help the needy in Europe's deadly cold snap. The bank is pulping wads of old notes into briquettes to help heat humanitarian organisations.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 03:13:26 PM EST
On one of the reviews of Graeber (sorry, I can't track it down) , the reviewer mentioned Graeber's claim that debt owned by a child to it's parent is not expected to be repayed. Somebody commented, mentioning that Valentin wrote a tongue in cheek letter to his daughter asking just that. I found it and here are some excerpts:
München, den 3. Februar 1932
Sehr geehrte Tochter!
Anläßlich unseres letzten Beisammenseins in München, am 5. August 31, gestatte ich mir, jetzt die Rechnung für deine Existenz zu übersenden und hoffe, dass du mit den Preisen einverstanden bist.
Hebammenkosten, bezahlt am 21. September 1910    Mk.    20,--
1 kleine Blechbadewanne                                             "    6,--
lauwarmes Wasser 6 Jahre lang, tägl. 5 Pfg.               "    219,--
Schwammbenützung, 6 Jahre lang, tägl. 5 Pfg.             "      108.50
1 Wickelkissen und Babyausstattung                             "     100,--
Täglich 1 Liter Milch, ca. 6 Jahre lang, Semmelmus     "      438,--
Schmerzensgeld bei Geburt, von Mutter billigst berechnet  "  100,-   

[...]

Kleidung vom 14. - 21. Jahr, pro Jahr Mk. 500,-- incl. Wäsche      "  3.144,--
Unterricht Französisch, Englisch, Literatur                               "  540,--
Klavier- und Gitarreunterricht                                                      "   700,--
Reise nach Königsberg                                                              "   83,--
Briefmarken und Telephongespräche nach Königsberg              "   150,--
                                                                                            Mk. 24.625,20

Bezugnehmend, daß du mein eigenes Fleisch und Blut bist, habe ich 10 % Ermäßigung zugestanden   

                                                                                               "      2.462,50

                                                                                            Mk.    22.162,70

Binnen acht Tagen zahlbar, da ich sonst zu meinem Bedauern gezwungen wäre, gerichtliche Schritte zu unternehmen.

Mir vorzüglicher Hochachtung
Karl Valentin


by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 03:53:09 PM EST
Here's the Graeber review I couldn't find before.
It's a hard book to review, though, because it's doing several irreducibly different things at once (which I'll try to lay out in as logical a fashion as I can manage). Despite the singularity of its title, Debt is more like James Frazer's Golden Bough than one of those books on How Cod Explains History or whatever; it's a dazzlingly syncretic, coherent, and multi-faceted effort to re-narrate virtually the entirety of human history, by starting from a concept and opening outward to include everything else.

[...]

f this is an obvious point, forgive me; I make it again because the first line of the New York Times' review of his book observes that "David Graeber has a strong claim to being the house theorist of Occupy Wall Street," and you find this sort of statement being made all over the place. Some people attribute the coining of the "We are the 99%" formulation to him, and since Graeber was involved with Occupy Wall Street since the beginning, he sometimes seems to be a kind of spokesperson for the movement's "anarchist roots."

But what would it mean to say that an anarchist (or at least radically horizontal) movement has "roots," a spokesperson, or a house theorist? Can a slogan like "We are the 99%" have a person who "coined" it? With a tiny bit of effort one finds that Graeber himself not only avoids such claims but is quick to disavow them; instead, the attribution of personal prominance tends to be made on his behalf, by institutions like the New York Times or in Bloomberg Businessweek (God help us). This should give us pause. What, after all, could it mean for Graeber to be able to claim that privilege, that position, that prominence? What does the movement owe him, the person who "coined" their slogan? How would he claim it? And why is it claimed for him, on his behalf?

Words like "claim" and "coin" are not innocent, and the power of Graeber's book is that I can't, now, read a phrase like "David Graeber has a strong claim" (or use a phrase like "coined the slogan") without feeling the need to think more carefully about the deep logic of those terms. A "claim," as he shows in excruciating etymological detail, is literally the token that proves you to be a creditor, that proves someone or someone else to be in your debt: having given tht other person a loan, a gift, or a reprieve, a "claim" is the physical manifestation and residue of that person's promise to recipricate. More than that, it's the means of forcing or at least coercing them to do so, and of legitimizing that force. Behind a "claim" is the social force (and threat of violence) that enables you to force payment. To talk about "claims" is to talk about power.

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 04:00:04 PM EST
Reads like philosophy to me

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Feb 10th, 2012 at 02:14:16 AM EST
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by stevesim on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 04:04:32 PM EST
No, Netenyahu. Save the Nation !! Attack now before all is..... Vogue {ach too late}

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Feb 10th, 2012 at 02:13:22 AM EST
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now before all is..... Vogue

/groans

;)

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sat Feb 11th, 2012 at 08:52:19 AM EST
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Great interactive gadget to see who was the anti-Romney of the month...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/presidential-poll-tracker

by asdf on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 05:14:47 PM EST
Iran Worried U.S. Might Be Building 8,500th Nuclear Weapon | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
Amidst mounting geopolitical tensions, Iranian officials said Wednesday they were increasingly concerned about the United States of America's uranium-enrichment program, fearing the Western nation may soon be capable of producing its 8,500th nuclear weapon. "Our intelligence estimates indicate that, if it is allowed to progress with its aggressive nuclear program, the United States may soon possess its 8,500th atomic weapon capable of reaching Iran," said Iranian foreign minister Ali Akbar Salehi, adding that Americans have the fuel, the facilities, and "everything they need" to manufacture even more weapons-grade fissile material. "Obviously, the prospect of this happening is very distressing to Iran and all countries like Iran. After all, the United States is a volatile nation that's proven it needs little provocation to attack anyone anywhere in the world whom it perceives to be a threat." 


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 07:32:12 PM EST
ROFLMAO

"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:59:14 PM EST
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Takes the Onion to tell an awkward truth.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Feb 10th, 2012 at 02:06:47 AM EST
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Bird numbers plummet around stricken Fukushima plant - Asia - World - The Independent

Researchers working around Japan's disabled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant say bird populations there have begun to dwindle, in what may be a chilling harbinger of the impact of radioactive fallout on local life.

In the first major study of the impact of the world's worst nuclear crisis in 25 years, the researchers, from Japan, the US and Denmark, said their analysis of 14 species of bird common to Fukushima and Chernobyl, the Ukrainian city which suffered a similar nuclear meltdown, showed the effect on abundance is worse in the Japanese disaster zone.

The study, published next week in the journal Environmental Pollution, suggests that its findings demonstrate "an immediate negative consequence of radiation for birds during the main breeding season [of] March [to] July".



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 08:19:27 PM EST
just because birds disappear bla bla, no need for any concern, bla bla birds are a minor detail in the big energy picture, except when it's windpower.

this shameless antinuke propaganda is bound to be a greenpeace rumour anyway. everyone know nukes are perfectly safe for all sentient beings, move along...

now more ads from your favourite lobbyists, news at 11.

"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:58:07 PM EST
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aspiring to genteel poverty

by edwin (eeeeeeee222222rrrrreeeeeaaaaadddddd@@@@yyyyaaaaaaa) on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:54:46 PM EST
good fun, but I found myself wishing someone had put a fraction of the thought into the camera work as they did into the dancing

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Feb 10th, 2012 at 02:12:19 AM EST
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