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by afew Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 11:53:52 AM EST

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That's poetry for yer.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 11:54:39 AM EST
Made me think of this tune, and a time in the past when things were more like this song. Pretty. And. Simple.

by sgr2 on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 04:37:33 PM EST
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New report says global warming may be cause of 'climate-related disasters': theparliament.com
New evidence suggests that climate change has led to changes in climate extremes such as heat waves, record high temperatures and, in many regions, heavy 'precipitation' in the past half century.

This is according to a major new report by the intergovernmental panel on climate change (IPCC), which was issued on Wednesday.

It says that climate extremes, or even a series of 'non-extreme' events, in combination with 'social vulnerabilities' and exposure to risks can produce climate-related disasters.

The IPCC report says that while some extreme weather and climate events lead to disasters, others do not.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 02:08:54 PM EST
Ya think?

<sigh>

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 02:15:37 PM EST
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This is the SREX report, of which the summary for policymakers was released months ago.

New evidence suggests that climate change has led to changes in climate extremes such as heat waves, record high temperatures and, in many regions, heavy 'precipitation' in the past half century.

The summary puts it like this:

heat waves:

In many (but not all) regions over the globe with sufficient data, there is medium confidence that the length or number of warm spells or heat waves3 has increased.

record high temperatures:
?

The closest is this:

It is likely that anthropogenic influences have led to warming of extreme daily minimum and maximum temperatures at the global scale.

heavy precipitation in many regions:

There have been statistically significant trends in the number of heavy precipitation events in some regions. It is likely that more of these regions have experienced increases than decreases, although there are strong regional and subregional variations in these trends.

Also interesting is a de facto scientific climbdown of the oft-touted rise of tropical cyclones and floods (and tornadoes, too) - but for ET readers that should not come as a surprise.

Who flips through the summary, the description of the current state of climate is actually not particularly exciting, doom wise. Those craving doom should flip to future climate extremes, page 9, to get their fill.

by Nomad on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 04:34:05 PM EST
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So the journalistic paraphrasing is skewed to the spectacular, as always, and the report doesn't lay on lashings of doom (which is to be expected of a scientific report).

But does the report consider there is evidence of a link between global warming and "extreme" events such as heat waves, local heavy rainfall incidents (leaving the tropics aside), and droughts, or doesn't it?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 02:23:34 AM EST
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afew:
But does the report consider there is evidence of a link between global warming and "extreme" events such as heat waves, local heavy rainfall incidents (leaving the tropics aside), and droughts, or doesn't it?

Is there a suggestion in my post that there is any doubt about this?

As always, I outline the difference in what the press parses, and what is actually said by the scientists - which show more areas of grey.

And no, this is not surprising. But parsing the difference what is touted in the media and what is actually said, is done at ET at a regular basis or even a daily basis with, say, the financial markets or international terrorism policies. That should not be different for a complex and heavily prejudiced topic like climate change.

Read the full report, chapter 3, for a thorough and thoughtful analysis on what is to be considered an 'extreme'.

by Nomad on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 04:49:48 AM EST
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Nomad:
Is there a suggestion in my post that there is any doubt about this?

Your comment certainly didn't make it clear, which I wished to.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 05:03:21 AM EST
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record high temperatures:
?

While a record high temperature is meaningless, as records are often broken, I have seen claims on NBC Nightly News indicating that the rate of new record high temperatures is increasing and that the preponderance of such new highs is in the last few decades. I have seen similar claims for increases in the variance, including record cold winters followed by record mild winters in large parts of the US and in Europe. Both would be consistent with an increase in overall thermal energy in the climate system.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 11:20:46 AM EST
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This is a single event, and that doesn't a statistic make, but anyway...
Since record keeping began in the late 1800s, there have never been so many temperature records broken for spring warmth in a one-week period-and the margins by which some of the records were broken yesterday were truly astonishing.


There are three stories about the euro crisis: the Republican story, the German story, and the truth. -- Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 11:39:51 AM EST
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On disaster losses attributed to climate extremes...

Roger Pielke Jr.'s Blog

Over time good science will win out over the rest -- sometimes it just takes a little while.

A few quotable quotes from the report (from Chapter 4):
  • "There is medium evidence and high agreement that long-term trends in normalized losses have not been attributed to natural or anthropogenic climate change"
  • "The statement about the absence of trends in impacts attributable to natural or anthropogenic climate change holds for tropical and extratropical storms and tornados"
  • "The absence of an attributable climate change signal in losses also holds for flood losses"
The report even takes care of tying up a loose end that has allowed some commentators to avoid the scientific literature:
"Some authors suggest that a (natural or anthropogenic) climate change signal can be found in the records of disaster losses (e.g., Mills, 2005; Höppe and Grimm, 2009), but their work is in the nature of reviews and commentary rather than empirical research."
With this post I am creating a handy bullshit button on this subject (pictured above). Anytime that you read claims that invoke disasters loss trends as an indication of human-caused climate change, including  the currently popular "billion dollar disasters" meme, you can simply call "bullshit" and point to the IPCC SREX report.
by Nomad on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 04:57:19 PM EST
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without being a Munich Re statistician, it seems obvious that disaster loss trends are attributable to a host of very hard to measure factors, including population movement, types of buildings, transportation issues and a host of others.

One would expect clear evidence of global warming impacts on disaster losses to be lost in the other factors. Which doesn't mean there isn't an effect, but that it's not yet discernible.

That Munich Re itself considers it likely that such losses will increase due to climate change should also be a data point.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 05:39:07 PM EST
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Crazy Horse:
One would expect clear evidence of global warming impacts on disaster losses to be lost in the other factors.

Except that Munich Re has been proclaiming, loudly, that climate change is already hurting them. Which is now 100% scientific bullshit.

Crazy Horse:

Which doesn't mean there isn't an effect, but that it's not yet discernible.

That's what I have been saying...

European Tribune - Hot air & Hurricanes

Of course this does not mean that disaster losses have no link whatsoever with the effects of anthropogenic global warming, but that, if such a link actually exists, it hasn't been showing in the data available so far - and this attribution hasn't been shown in more recent science publications either.

by Nomad on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 05:46:58 PM EST
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But a thing can be actuarially true without being scientifically proven. This is what Munich Re are interested in.

It's a bit like the difference between criminal law and civil law. DSK will end up paying Diallo, without any crime being proven.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 03:21:13 AM EST
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You can read for yourself the diary, the claims Re Munich and other players have repeatedly made and then the SREX report.

It is apparently hard to admit that Re Munich, and other players in the reinsurance branch, are flat out caught pandering bullshit while the companies have a clear financial interest in making such bullshit claims.

by Nomad on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 04:36:12 AM EST
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There are probably too many variables for scientific proof of an influence on climate change on insurance payouts to ever be established. Most of the variables are economic.

This will not prevent actuaries doing their job.

If the balance of scientific evidence gathered by the IPCC points to climate change causing increases extreme temperatures and precipitation, this is unlikely to be neutral with respect to insurance payouts. Of course, insofar as Munich Re are claiming scientific proof of climate change driving increased payouts, they are lying.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 05:11:13 AM EST
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However, consider this:

...let's take the most simple case of a normal distribution that is shifted towards the warm end by a given amount - say one standard deviation. Then, a moderately extreme temperature that is 2 standard deviations above the mean becomes 4.5 times more likely (see graph below). But a seriously extreme temperature, that is 5 standard deviations above the mean, becomes 90 times more likely!

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2012/03/extremely-hot/comment-page-2/#comment-231912

This suggests that record-breaking extremes are in a sense a precursor to a more generally observable change...

by asdf on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 11:30:08 PM EST
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Nomad:
Those craving doom should flip to future climate extremes, page 9, to get their fill.
by Nomad on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 04:54:45 AM EST
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what's the OT record for fewest comments?

"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 02:26:54 PM EST
Who knows?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 02:29:48 PM EST
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Maybe one.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 02:29:58 PM EST
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Maybe none.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 02:30:10 PM EST
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Or...
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 02:30:20 PM EST
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someone...

turning into a stat freak is all, musing on why some OTs takeoff and multiply, and what makes us such a chatty bunch...

and when.

also.

"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 04:19:51 PM EST
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I was just trying to put some comments into the thread...
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 02:28:10 AM EST
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You mean the ratio of replies to comments that then do not themselves have replies?

In other words, wise-assed remarks that don't deserve further discussion?

by asdf on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 02:47:36 PM EST
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I beg your pardon? ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 03:03:24 PM EST
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Application rejected.

Please report to the nearest prison to begin your sentence.

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot

by ATinNM on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 04:15:31 PM EST
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This period ends.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 05:24:17 PM EST
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I'd come back with a snappy come-back line but after getting hit by an ice road trucker and having my bloody, pain-wracked, remains eaten by a polar bear my ability to ad-lib snappy come-back lines has eroded.


Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot
by ATinNM on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 07:05:32 PM EST
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Never mind, why do snappy when you can do complicated?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 01:16:22 AM EST
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Radiation 'fatally high' at Japan reactor - Asia-Pacific - Al Jazeera English

One of Japan's crippled nuclear reactors still has fatally high radiation levels and much less water to cool it than officials had estimated, according to an internal examination that renews doubts about the plant's stability.

A tool equipped with a tiny video camera, a thermometer, a dosimeter and a water gauge was used to assess damage inside the containment chamber of Fukushima Daiichi plant's number 2 reactor for the second time since the tsunami swept into the complex more than a year ago.

The data collected on Tuesday showed the damage from the disaster is so severe that the plant operator will have to develop special equipment and technology to tolerate the harsh environment and decommission the plant. The process is expected to last decades.

The other two reactors that had meltdowns could be in even worse shape. The number 2 reactor is the only one officials have been able to closely examine so far.

...The probe also found that the containment vessel, a beaker-shaped container enclosing the core, had cooling water up to only 60 centimeters from the bottom, far below the 10 metres estimated when the government declared the plant stable in December.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 02:29:17 PM EST
I recently found Herzl's diaries on line (PDF from Google, but I've lost the link) and have been skimming through them. The early pages are fairly well-known, but later he starts jotting down notes as to what Israel (I'm using the name anachronistically) should be like. This gets really weird. There's Israel as Venice
Wir werden wahrscheinlich die Verfassung Venedigs nachbilden und aus den schlechten Erfahrungen Venedigs vorbeugend profitieren.
Israel as England
Die Jugend (auch die Armen) bekommt englische Spiele: Kricket, Tennis usw., Lyzeen im Gebirge.
Israel as the Vatican? Austrian Empire?
Die Hohenpriester werden imposanten Ornat haben; unsere Kürassiere gelbe Hosen, weißsen Waffenrock. Offiziere silbernen Küraß
But nothing, and I mean nothing can prepare you for Israel as Die Meistersinger....
Moisis Auszug verhält sich dazu, wie ein Fastnachtssingspiel von Hans Sachs zu einer Wagnerschen Oper.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 03:40:43 PM EST
Nineteenth-century imagination.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 01:17:17 AM EST
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After reading the news ...

I gots the blues.

Thinking of moving to Yellowknife Canada so I can be eaten by a polar bear before they go extinct.

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot

by ATinNM on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 04:14:30 PM EST
What news, in particular?

There are three stories about the euro crisis: the Republican story, the German story, and the truth. -- Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 04:20:14 PM EST
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A concatenation of global stupidities, rampant sociopathy in the US, and too many people living on the Banks of Denial.  

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot
by ATinNM on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 04:27:52 PM EST
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Just another day on planet Earth.

There are three stories about the euro crisis: the Republican story, the German story, and the truth. -- Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 05:21:38 AM EST
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Here's something to look forward to: In a few weeks, the Supreme Court will throw out Obamacare, and with it Medicare. That should make November interesting...
by asdf on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 12:02:16 PM EST
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In a few weeks, the Supreme Court will throw out Obamacare, and with it Medicare.

Can somebody expand on this?

There are three stories about the euro crisis: the Republican story, the German story, and the truth. -- Paul Krugman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 12:06:46 PM EST
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Much foo-foo happening in the US since the Supreme Court decided to rule on the constitutionality of ObamaCare.  The usual gang of Professional Pearl Clutching Hysterical Idiots have been joined by the amateur and Semi-Pro Pearl Clutching Hysterics - throughout and across the political spectrum - in a frenzy of hysterical pearl clutching.  

People who know what they are talking about and attempting to have a rational discussion are being trampled.  As usual.

IOW, it's the standard US political discussion wrt Public Policy.

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot

by ATinNM on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 12:27:01 PM EST
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I know all that. You could answer that about any US policy question.

Specifically, what is the "expected" basis of the opinion and how does throwing out Obamacare also throw out Medicare?

There are three stories about the euro crisis: the Republican story, the German story, and the truth. -- Paul Krugman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 01:07:24 PM EST
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The specific question is whether, and on what terms, Obamacare might be found illegal. Depending on what happens, it might have a ripple effect on a lot of other big federal social programs. Medicare, which is medical insurance for the aged, is in some ways similar to Obamacare. Social Security is somewhat less similar, but again it's a product of the big government system programs initiated by FDR and then substantially expanded by LBJ.

If you accept the premise that Clarence Thomas in particular and the other right wing justices in general see themselves as potential saviors of the country from creeping, unconstitutional socialism, then there is not much in the way of seeing them rolling the clock back to 1930. If that were to happen, there would be a LOT of unhappy people, probably enough to get various amendments through, or, if that is not enough to provide the required constitutional language, then it is always possible to have a constitutional convention. In that case, the whole governmental system is up for grabs...

by asdf on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 01:49:44 PM EST
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Surely the Right Wingers on the SC are well drilled and will produce the politically correct opinion, which is the one that throws out Obamacare but leaves Medicare in place for now - subject to further reviews post election...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 02:15:30 PM EST
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That is not a foregone conclusion. One thread of argument is that Clarence Thomas, who was originally positioned as an outlier on the court, has quietly managed--simply by being there--to shift the whole argument to the right. If one is a strong enough believer in states' rights, then it is possible to view the entire federal involvement in social support structure as unconstitutional.

The Supreme Court properly takes a long view of the justice system, but if that long view is severely anti-federalist, then there is no reason to worry about short-term issues like social security or national parks or anything else that the over-reaching progressives have been cramming down the citizens'  throats for the last century....

by asdf on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 03:39:00 PM EST
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Has it come to that?

There are three stories about the euro crisis: the Republican story, the German story, and the truth. -- Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 03:27:07 PM EST
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Nobody knows. Stay tuned. Decision probably in June-ish.
by asdf on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 03:39:55 PM EST
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the decision officially is in June. But in 48 hours the conference vote will be taken, and there are very rarely changes after that, merely writing. So the 9 justices and some of their clerks will know, and the votes change perhaps once per year.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 05:25:46 PM EST
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Well, it's hardly a done deal, I'm reading commentators suggesting that the situation isn't anything like as favourable to the repugs as the Dems fear.

Plus, a vote to end Medicare would enable the Dems to campaign on "throw the bums out and get proper USSC-proof health care"

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 12:28:46 PM EST
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If the Supremes do throw it out, how will they get proper health care without the court throwing it out again?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 12:30:32 PM EST
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IMO, getting "reasonable healthcare" from profit seeking healthcare providers is impossible.  Herself and I figure, if we stay in the US, we will live the last years of our lives in poverty since the costs of one major medical emergency would wipe us out, financially, and the cost of insurance - because of prior history - will wipe us out due to "a death by a thousand insurance payments."

Sic transit, that's-the-way-it-goes.


Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot

by ATinNM on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 12:44:41 PM EST
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Didn't FDR threathen to increase the Supreme Court in order to get them to accept something or another?

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 04:19:18 PM EST
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Yes.

There's no constitutionally mandated number of judges in the Supreme Court, there just has to be one.  FDR threatened to expand the bench back to 13 and the Nine backed down.


Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot

by ATinNM on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 07:00:31 PM EST
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What is the procedure? A vote in congress and the senate?

Von überall könnte das Volk, Urbrut alles Undemokratischen, Zelle des Terrors, über die gewählten Hüter von Wachstum und Wohlstand® kommen. - flatter
by generic on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 07:42:27 PM EST
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President nominates and the Senate confirms.


Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot
by ATinNM on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 10:06:34 PM EST
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That's what the reasonable people are saying.  Have to wait and see if they are accurate.

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot
by ATinNM on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 12:39:01 PM EST
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You'd probably get hit by an ice road trucker before you'd get eaten by a polar bear anyway.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 05:03:26 PM EST
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Daily Kos: solar cuts electricity prices 40% in Germany, terrifies energy barons

This is a pretty good indication of how our energy debate in America is driven by oil, gas, and coal public relations bullshit not reality.

While our government has been licking around the edges of alternative energy and politely nodding when oil company execs tell us it's not cost competitive yet, Germany has jumped into it in a big way.
The result?

The peak price of electricity over the course of a day dropped 40%, and 25% of their gas generators may be closed.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 04:18:33 PM EST
(does math)

Can haz solar?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 05:03:55 PM EST
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some dreams can come true. thanks Fran!

"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 08:23:32 PM EST
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One should point out that 40% is for a short time on one day. The annual average price reduction is more relevant. Also that wind produces a similar effect.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 02:41:56 AM EST
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The graphs indicate that, post solar, a 5-6 hour period of peak daily consumption was reduced 40%, but the comparison is between a before on 12-3-2008 and an after on 7-30-2012 and for forward spot auction prices. (At first I thought they were claiming psychic abilities! :-) ) A justification for comparing a winter day to a summer day would be in order.  

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 11:10:06 AM EST
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The dates are 12/03/2008 and 07/03/2012. This is the European Power Exchange EPEX. The dates are in European format, day-month-year, so it's in March. It's also the same day of the week, a Wednesday.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 11:40:55 AM EST
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Go to the EPEX site and choose the Data Chart tab to see these charts.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 11:51:42 AM EST
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dd-mm-yy!!

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 12:00:14 PM EST
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sorry, I mean dd-mm-yyyy!!!!

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 12:00:49 PM EST
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Words fail me.

Romney said he has some connections to Wisconsin.
"One of most humorous I think relates to my father. You may remember my father, George Romney, was president of an automobile company called American Motors ...  They had a factory in Michigan, and they had a factory in Kenosha, Wisconsin, and another one in Milwaukee, Wisconsin," said Romney. "And as the president of the company he decided to close the factory in Michigan and move all the production to Wisconsin. Now later he decided to run for governor of Michigan and so you can imagine that having closed the factory and moved all the production to Wisconsin was a very sensitive issue to him, for his campaign."

Romney said he recalled a parade in which the school band marching with his father's campaign only knew the Wisconsin fight song, not the Michigan song.

"So every time they would start playing `On Wisconsin, on Wisconsin,' my dad's political people would jump up and down and try to get them to stop, because they didn't want people in Michigan to be reminded that my dad had moved production to Wisconsin," said Romney, laughing.



Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 05:09:56 PM EST
You have to admit his attempts at being personable and down-to-Earth are more entertaining than Dubya's

There are three stories about the euro crisis: the Republican story, the German story, and the truth. -- Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 05:17:50 PM EST
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Dubya was great at faking the Normal GuyTM thing.  Mittens tries, and it's always comes across as, "Support me in your human elections!"

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 05:20:49 PM EST
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Possibly worth noting, too, that both of those plants have been shut down with production moved back to Michigan.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 05:22:05 PM EST
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Hunter at dKos nails it:

"Hello, human Wisconsin voters! I have a humorous anecdote to be related. My father once shut down a factory in Michigan, which was beneficial to the people of your state since you are not from Michigan. Then he ran for governor of Michigan and--you will like this, humans, because it is humorous--during one parade the children in the local marching band only knew how to play a song from your state, Wisconsin, as opposed to the state of Michigan where my father was attempting to gain higher office. This led to some unpleasantries because my father did not wish to bring further attention to his laying off of workers from the state he was now suggesting he lead. Is that not humorous? Yes, screw Michigan, am I right? Now that they have already voted, I can safely say that your state of Wisconsin is a much better state. Your cheese is quite definitely of the correct height. My parental unit was correct in transferring employment opportunities to your state instead of filthy Michigan, where the children do not even know the correct songs."


Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 05:33:07 PM EST
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Is (or was) your PhD an Ordeal? | Athene Donald's Blog
A study carried out by the UKRC for the RSC about the PhD experience for chemists reveals some fairly unattractive facts that should give heads of chemistry departments serious pause for thought. In particular it can be seen from the figure reproduced here just how precipitous is the fall off in women who intend to continue in research during the 3 years of their PhD, with the figure approximately halving.

Sounds all too familiar to me!

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 06:32:09 PM EST
Why Would The Government Want You to Panic? « sturdyblog

This government continues to astound. Today, they have managed the impossible: to cause petrol shortages without any actual strike.

The height of incompetence some might argue - with some confidence. And, naturally, this is perfect diversion from the issue of the NHS, granny-tax and cash-for-access. But here comes another one of my silly questions.

Last quarter's growth figure has just been downgraded by the Office of Budget Responsibility to -0.3%. The OBR said they "still expect the economy to avoid a technical recession with positive growth in the first quarter of 2012, although another fall cannot be ruled out given the volatility of quarterly output estimates." Total growth for 2012 is expected to be a shaky 0.8%, so the first quarter's figure is estimated to be minuscule.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 at 06:42:57 PM EST
If it means that growth for this quarter is nudged up into an anaemic positive figure and the broader economic incompetence of this shower of Monty Python characters is disguised, it will have been worth it.
You've got to be kidding me.

There are three stories about the euro crisis: the Republican story, the German story, and the truth. -- Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 02:02:06 AM EST
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Well it's so mad people are desperately looking for any reason that this shower of incompetents have managed to fuck up so badly

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 03:54:46 AM EST
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looking for any reason that this shower of incompetents have managed to fuck up so badly

They're incompetent fuckwit ideologues, what more do you need?

And they're callous and out of touch, too.

There are three stories about the euro crisis: the Republican story, the German story, and the truth. -- Paul Krugman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 05:20:34 AM EST
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Junk mail I just got:
Here you can buy everything you need at Malmo's first supermarket - organic style. Vegetables, fruit, fresh fish or meat, as well as frozen products. And if your bag is too heavy to manage, then you can borrow one of the shop's transport bikes and cycle to the hotel with your food. Travel from London Stansted and Edinburgh to Malmö with Ryanair via Malmö Airport - only 30 minutes from the city centre.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 03:18:06 AM EST
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Mar 29th, 2012 at 03:45:22 AM EST


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