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by afew Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 12:09:05 PM EST

Chill, chillun


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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 12:13:53 PM EST
What ? Where is he then ? I didn't know he was going anywhere

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 12:21:51 PM EST
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Here.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 01:02:10 PM EST
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Ah, good for him. Although I shall miss being able to have a splendid meal at his recommendation in Lyon every now and then

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 01:20:13 PM EST
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I have promised to deputise during his absence, but I can't beat his recommendations.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 04:42:51 PM EST
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Well, I'm hoping to be down in that vicinity at some point this summer

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 05:17:31 PM EST
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Wants some snow from Finland, apparently.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 02:30:04 PM EST
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All we have to offer at the moment is very cool flood water, but that could be refreshing in 45 degs desert.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 02:40:35 PM EST
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Was on a pub crawl with a friend last night and he decided he wanted to eat. So we ended up in a boutique burger restaurant and I ended up paying £18 !!! for a burger and a beer.

I rather fear my friend exists on a different expenditure level from me.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 12:26:53 PM EST
Know how you feel. Was just wishing today that I had more middle class friends. Mine are either rich and it costs me too much to "roll" with them, or too poor and I have to pay for both of us. But if I have to shell out the funds in both cases, I'd rather do it for the poor friends and not feel like I've been robbed by a chic burger vendor.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 01:27:38 PM EST
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Remind me to send you a copy of "The Liggers' Bible: how to make the rich and the poor pay for the privilege of knowing you." by one S. Triloqvist.  ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 02:23:36 PM EST
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Heh.  But what's a "Ligger"?

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 02:59:33 PM EST
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The Emergent Property of having over-indulged in many "lagers?"

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot
by ATinNM on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 03:41:46 PM EST
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The equivalent, perhaps, of a freeloader.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 04:16:03 PM EST
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Doh!  I should have guessed from the context. Thanks.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 04:20:10 PM EST
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by asdf on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 02:38:13 PM EST
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Yeah. The day I pay ANY of those prices for a Big Mac, you can have me put away.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 03:00:23 PM EST
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Eh, at $1.62 I think my inner bean-counter would take over and require I buy it over a $5 sub or something.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 05:26:12 PM EST
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spoiler: they don't actually sell big macs in India.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 06:12:12 PM EST
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by asdf on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 01:24:57 PM EST
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Well, yeah, I was actually pointing out my distaste for Big Macs. But that price is not bad.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 01:40:05 AM EST
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Prices will probably soar. The pink slime business is in bankruptcy, or so I heard.

The good news ... it's only a life sentence. You eventually leave this planet of idiots.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 03:19:39 PM EST
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Had never heard of this before, pot wine.


Curious to learn more about this weediest of wines, I recently spoke with a California vintner who makes it on the side. For obvious reasons, he didn't want his real name used, so I will refer to him as "Bud." He told me pot wine holds an important distinction: in his view, it is "the only truly original style of wine created in the New World." Bud said he is just one of a number of winemakers on the Central Coast who are blending two of California's most prized crops. The recipe for pot wine, such as it is, consists of dropping one pound of marijuana into a cask of fermenting wine, which yields about 1.5 grams of pot per bottle; the better the raw materials--grapes and dope--the better the wine.
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According to Carter, pot wine delivers a quicker high than pot brownies, and the combination of alcohol and marijuana produces "an interesting little buzz." He believes cannabis wine has a bright future in Napa. "People love wine," he says, "and they love weed."

Marijuana-Laced Wine Grows More Fashionable in California Wine Country

Well, you did say "chill, chillun."

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - AnaÔs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 12:46:25 PM EST
Dope is related to hops (methinks) and has been used in beer to enhance it. I remember a friend of mine who's a scooper, ie someone who travels around trying rare and unusual beers, fetching up in a large-ish town to try a rare and unusually powerful beer that was brewed on the premises of the pub.

As he slowly sipped his way down the bber, the pub gradually emptied of the lunchtime trade until he was the only customer left. So he duly got chatting to the barman about his reasons for being there, at which he was asked whether he wanted to try the "special" barrel of the beer he was drinking that had had a large amount of "herb" added for a party.

It's the only instance I know where I could actually tell you which pub and which beer, but I'm sure there have been many others

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 12:59:18 PM EST
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I've tried beers but never a wine.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 01:31:37 PM EST
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Hops (humulus) are included in the Cannabaceae family with cannabis, as are hackberries (Celtis), but they have few common characteristics.

As you know, I wouldn't test any combination of beer and weed. I have no taste for beer.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 02:37:11 PM EST
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Weed and wine! A onetime favorite of mine.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 01:03:54 PM EST
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"If yuh gi'me weed, whites and wine,
And yuh show me a si i gn,
then I'll be willi'n..."

I omitted the whites as I didn't need them...

...to be movi'n on."



As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 01:19:53 PM EST
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Linda Ronstadt with The Band, supplemented by Wendy Waldman on backup vocals and Kenny Edwards doing banjo harmonies.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 01:21:24 PM EST
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Except it's her LA band, not The Band.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - AnaÔs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 01:27:47 PM EST
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Yes, no Robbie Robertson, no Levon Helms. Kenny Edwards was the bassist and arranger for many of her albums, but after The Stone Poneys, the band was more informal, both for the studio and the road.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 02:36:01 PM EST
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Sigh, Wendy Waldman, "Studio Song" and "Mad, Mad Me."

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 01:30:22 PM EST
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She attended the school where I taught in LA from fall, 67' to summer '69 and I was a friend of Ken Waldman, who married Wendy a year after she graduated. I loved her music from her first performance at the old Ashgrove in West Hollywood. An amazing lyric poet.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 02:26:45 PM EST
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By special request.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 03:06:49 PM EST
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No no no, no-oh... YES.  Thanks, Geezer.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 03:10:46 PM EST
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As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 03:11:55 PM EST
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(dang it, can't listen to it right now 'cuz my mom-in-law is visiting and she started watching a tv show.  saving it for tomorrow. writing in a whisper.)

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 03:23:26 PM EST
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Tiny Text is for whispers. :-)

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 05:16:19 PM EST
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Oh, my, that's WONderful. Thanks again, ARGeezer

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 01:41:43 AM EST
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Sweet.

I just wish to spare a thought for the originator of that tune, who is no longer among us:



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt št gmail dotcom) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 01:34:40 PM EST
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thanks for posting that dvx, i was thinking of him while listening to ARG's post.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - AnaÔs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 01:54:17 PM EST
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Realizing that version was recorded at Rockpalast in 'Schland got me thinking... that show has three decades or more of top live performances by just about everybody. and i guess it's still ongoing, as one of the best performances ever by Katzenjammer was on Rockpalast.

Shouldn't they be releasing live DVDs?

Anybody out there been to live Rockpalast shows?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - AnaÔs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 02:00:41 PM EST
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I was at a Lucinda Williams show a few years back which I believe was recorded for Rockpalast. When she came out for the encore she said she'd just been told there was no curfew for that venue (a post-industrial ruin with no nearby neighbors) and she basically played a second concert.

Rockpalast is here, and those of you who are Nora Jones fans might want to wander over there tomorrow night at 9 (continental time).

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt št gmail dotcom) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 03:27:48 PM EST
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Valerie Carter rehearsed her first album in one of the studios for which I was building the console. Lowell George co-wrote and produced the album. One of my all time favorite albums, but little known. This one is for CH.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 05:41:43 PM EST
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Unfortunately, this music is not available in Germany...

but thanks ARG.  (and see below)

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - AnaÔs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 06:08:30 PM EST
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Nice dose. Without the whites.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 02:26:58 PM EST
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If I was doing design work I would wait for the wine.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 02:57:04 PM EST
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A few of my Sixties friends were into the controlled rollercoaster of www. Not for me.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 03:04:00 PM EST
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Yeah. My wild days were in the 70's but I was fast enough without speed, so mellowing was my need.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 03:26:41 PM EST
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Makes my May Wine seem awfully tame, but it is pretty, with the little sprig of Woodruff in there, like a tiny aquarium flower.

We always suspected one of our regular wine-competition winners with cheating a mint-sprig or two into his Cabernet.

My refrigerator is never without a bottle of Herbes de Provence "Vermouth", for cooking or to enhance the mineral water, and then there is the Mint, to replace the long-lost Mint Calso of the 60's, the Bay Laurel for soup, Rosemary to splash over the potatoes. Next up, space permitting, the French Tarragon is tasting so much better than that tasteless Russian stuff I grew last year.

Simplest stuff in the world to make. Just macerate some herbs in an ounce or two of vodka for a few hours, then top with cheap Riesling.

by greatferm (greatferm-at-email.com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 03:12:37 PM EST
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Oh how I miss my gorgeous French tarragon plants that grew pretty well in Austin, TX.  The "estragon" here in 'schland is laughable, as is the tasteless cilantro.  When in Paris, I'll be damned if I don't find some tarragon to take home to my balcony.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 03:29:12 PM EST
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Our "estragon" (as the French say), springing back up after a long drought and the February cold snap.

I don't know if it's the good or bad kind, though. It's the kind we've always grown in the garden here.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 08:27:47 AM EST
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Any chance of a cutting ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 09:00:59 AM EST
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I suggest putting fresh mature weed in buffalo grass vodka and letting it soak some months. Pleasant taste.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 03:56:51 PM EST
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So I went around to a birthday party last night, and as there are elections upcoming here in NRWestFAILia, talk came round to political parties.

Now keep in mind that everyone in this circle was young and idealistic back when the Greens were getting off the ground, and passionately defended them when they were generally dismissed for poorly organized, not having a complete program and lacking in leadership figures...

And so what happens? The Pirate Party gets mentioned, and is summarily dismissed because


  • They're poorly organized

  • They don't have a complete program

  • They lack leadership figures

  • ...

Man. Getting old sure is sad sometimes.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt št gmail dotcom) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 01:43:07 PM EST
Arf !!!

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 02:08:10 PM EST
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The Olympics and Social Cleansing
Hosting the Olympics is often presented to us as an ideologically neutral opportunity to boost tourism and sports. In a thought-provoking piece Ashok Kumar outlines a clear and consistent, yet barely noticed, pattern of the Games being used to fundamentally restructure the host City to the purposeful exclusion of its working class and ethnic minority residents.


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 02:07:49 PM EST
This is a good article and substantially true.
I do take issue with the £24bn number though as it seems to be bandied around more and more and yet no-one seems to have a breakdown for it...

However, on to the real point, if we imagine for a moment that Paris won the 2012 games, I think that we'd still have seen a "regeneration" scheme for Newham.

It would have cost the government less, but once Stratford had been selected as an East side transportation hub, then "regeneration" and gentrification and eviction of the poor people were always coming...

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 02:54:38 PM EST
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Just got some very sad news, which affects me deeply.

Levon Helm 'in the final stages of his battle with cancer'
 


Phillips County native and rock 'n' roll legend Levon Helm "is in the final stages of his battle with cancer," according to his wife Sandy and daughter Amy. "Please send your prayers and love to him as he makes his way through this part of his journey," they wrote.

"Thank you fans and music lovers who have made his life so filled with joy and celebration... he has loved nothing more than to play, to fill the room up with music, lay down the back beat, and make the people dance! He did it every time he took the stage... We appreciate all the love and support and concern," they wrote.

Thankful to have spend an hour alone with him on one of my last visits to Frisco, and times over the decades. Even more thankful for his lifetime of music which remains. I wish a peaceful transition, my drummer friend, Skennah Kowa.



"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - AnaÔs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 at 06:01:56 PM EST


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