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by dvx Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 12:19:43 PM EST

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Report: Every Potential 2040 President Already Unelectable Due To Facebook | The Onion - America's Finest News Source | Onion News Network
A troubling report finds that by 2040 every presidential candidate will be unelectable to political office due to their embarrassing Facebook posts.


The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt št gmail dotcom) on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 12:21:40 PM EST
Dang, now The Onion wants payment. Sigh. May have to pony up.

If I contemplate the universe any more this week, I may slink into the slough of despond.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher

by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 12:25:42 PM EST
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I can think of one current Presidential candidate who's becoming unelectable just from the stuff he's said

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 12:51:21 PM EST
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This is not actually the case. I happen to know some rich people, with kids in high school, and they maintain considerable control over their Internet presence. They're fully aware of how damaging the whole Facebook thing can be, and take active measures to handle the problem.

This is part and parcel of the whole prep school thing. Dress code, giant library, expansive athletic fields, endowments, vacations overseas, internships at daddy's bank or mommy's marketing company or uncle's government department--and conscious awareness of how to position yourself on the Internet for your future career.

If you think that the children of the rich are posting naked pictures of themselves on Facebook, you're seriously underestimating the 1%.

by asdf on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 01:40:14 PM EST
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And we're off to the spring reception of the local SPD chapter.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt št gmail dotcom) on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 12:58:56 PM EST
I will be taking part (as a student) in The Hyman P. Minsky Summer Seminar Organized by the Levy Economics Institute. I'm expecting that there will be student presentations. I'm writing a paper with kcurie about financial stability...

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 01:22:35 PM EST
Excellent.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 01:24:38 PM EST
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This is last years' programme. It's jam-packed.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 01:28:44 PM EST
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great! i have been fantasizing you appearing on keiser report, lol.

"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 03:24:28 PM EST
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<shudder>

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 03:28:50 PM EST
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Wimp.

He's a pussy cat.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 04:18:47 PM EST
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We... you'd better work in the paper...:)

It only needs a proper set of conclusion and a final touch.... that's all!!!

a pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Thu Apr 19th, 2012 at 01:18:11 PM EST
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Recycle erroneously

Germans were busy recycling things back when most of us were still learning how to use our opposable thumbs. Hence their recycling infrastructure, refined over various millennia, has very strict rules involving colored bins for different forms of rubbish (plastic, tin, food etc.) and a veritable army of binmen rumbling about the place. As well as the recycling systems that are inherently part of each household, you'll also find large green, white and brown containers on the street, which are used for correspondingly colored glass bottles. To irk a decent segment of any local neighbourhood or town, simply rock up to these containers with a trolley full of bottles and start placing them in the wrong units. Even a quiet street on a Sunday morning will quickly witness scenes of mass outrage, as old men with sticks and pony-tailed schoolgirls alike sprint from their houses and hang from their windows to shake their fists at your stupidity and ignorance.

http://matadornetwork.com/abroad/how-to-piss-off-a-german/#recent-popular

by stevesim on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 01:41:39 PM EST
hee hee

One of the shortest words in the German dictionary is Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz, for example, which loosely means "No".

by stevesim on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 01:43:02 PM EST
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As Nancy Reagan advised: "Just say Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz"

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 02:20:13 PM EST
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actually, if you break down the word into its constituent parts, it's not so difficult to understand -

Rind -  beef
Fleisch -  meat
Ticketierung -  labelling
überwachung -  overseeing
Aufgabe - function
übertragung -  assignment
Gesetz -  law

and it has the gender of the last noun, i.e. Gesetz which is neutral

p.s. I have no capital ü on my computer so these nouns are not capitalized for that reason

by stevesim on Thu Apr 19th, 2012 at 05:38:14 AM EST
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I strongly suspect that, even tough we separate out all of our rubbish, when it gets to the rubbish depot it's all poured down the same hole

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 01:47:21 PM EST
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I strongly suspect that this kind of unsupported cynicism just encourages a lazy attitude to recycling. It's obviously widespread; recently a representative of the local council here in Nice said in the local paper, Nice-Matin, that this kind of view was just a myth and the local council had gone to some pains to get local journalists to observe that the waste was indeed sorted and, where possible, recycled.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 04:00:02 PM EST
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And you can sneer about my opinions as much as you like but, given that I said it was a suspicion rather than an established "fact" I really can't be bothered to find links to the news stories which demonstrate that, in Britain, there have been instances where it's just lumped together at some point

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 05:03:34 PM EST
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it has no doubt occurred
by stevesim on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 06:07:04 PM EST
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You can't be bothered to try to justify an opinion which you couldn't be bothered to check out - you just bleat about someone challenging ( "sneering at")  it - an attitude worthy of the waste bin :-)

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Thu Apr 19th, 2012 at 05:17:12 PM EST
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I know for a certain fact that, in my locality at least, it's not.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Apr 19th, 2012 at 01:07:10 AM EST
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Sunday morning? When I lived in Munich it was illegal to use the recycling containers on Sunday (or Saturday afternoon, or during the hard-working Bavarians siesta on weekday afternoons). An elderly man once told me off for throwing out newspapers on a Sunday.....
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Apr 19th, 2012 at 02:50:24 AM EST
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you too?  
by stevesim on Thu Apr 19th, 2012 at 05:05:44 AM EST
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You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 02:51:58 PM EST
What is he doing with that scooter on the bike lane? He should be out battling with the SUVs on the regular street.
by asdf on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 09:29:06 PM EST
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MP Ilkka Kanerva convicted of aggravated bribery - gets suspended sentence

Some of you may remember my reports a couple of years back on political corruption in Finland, involving bribes ill-considered political donations intended to influence regional building development policy to favour large malls.

The affair helped push Matti Vanhanen (Centre) out of the PM spot before his time due to 'knee problems' (that's anew one), and that brought in Mari Kiviniemi, who didn't survive the election a few months later, and indeed will take a back seat in her Centre party. The sociopathic former Party Secretary Korhonen was also wounded and ousted. Even Pekkarinen might return, and hard to say it, he did a good job at Trade & Industry.

Now the trial is over and the judgements given today. Dandy Boy Ike Kanerva (Conservative) gets over a year suspended, the corporate Bagman gets 6 years starting tonight, his Torpedo got 3.5 and will also be sleeping in a cell tonight. 2 others got suspendeds, including our old friend the former pig farmer and peddler of the cheap and cheerful, Toivo Sukari (His slogan: "People - why pay more?").

There has been a poisson distribution of corruption revealed in the last few months in Finland.  We shall no longer be top of Transparency International's List, for sure, because public sentiment is turning a bit nasty. If another CEO is soon exposed for unusual business practices, with the media waking up to the feelings of its audience, then we might see a greater push against the Anglo-Saxon wannabes.

In my experience, Finns are not particularly jealous of money that appears to have been amassed fairly and honestly, or with obvious talent. However flashing it about is  frowned upon, and 'dishonest' wealth is held in contempt. Dishonesty is coming in new guises and the Finns are beginning to recognize them.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 03:39:05 PM EST
Don't tell Gerry Brownlee. We'd never hear the end of it.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Thu Apr 19th, 2012 at 03:37:54 AM EST
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Mr Brownlee just needs a sauna experience (or several, by the looks of him).

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Apr 19th, 2012 at 03:42:52 AM EST
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Well I'm as much a fan of the sauna as anyone, but I'm not so sure that some of this "hyvä veli-verkosto" business doesn't get it's beginning in that very same location. Starting with a little innocent sauna diplomacy and moving on from there. But now that's just a hunch.
by sgr2 on Thu Apr 19th, 2012 at 12:10:44 PM EST
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I've bathed Finnish-style with a general, a Russian Orthodox bigwig, a few majorish corporate figures, but mostly with 'creatives' and family. So I can't really offer any insight into the good brother nekkid network. I am sure it exists - and there was a diplomatic form of it perfected by one U. Kekkonen.

My experience is that there is greater openness, rather than conspiracy. But of course what the women get up to is nobody's business.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Apr 19th, 2012 at 12:29:30 PM EST
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Aristophanes "blew the gaff" on what women get up when they are by themselves some time ago.

 

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot

by ATinNM on Thu Apr 19th, 2012 at 03:10:25 PM EST
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Like figuring out how to overturn laws and create a society where all are equal?
by sgr2 on Thu Apr 19th, 2012 at 03:38:41 PM EST
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I was thinking of the scene where they are sitting around, drinking wine, talking, and eating.

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot
by ATinNM on Thu Apr 19th, 2012 at 04:43:36 PM EST
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Wow, that sounds just like stuff I like to do AT. ;-)
by sgr2 on Fri Apr 20th, 2012 at 05:46:30 AM EST
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Welcome to the next revolution: collaborative consumption is coming:

[Emphasis original]

Is this the future: will people no longer want to amass more and more possessions?

They just borrow them when they need them. They pay for the use of things, not for the ownership of them.

Or they use old-fashioned bartering, and get to use things by doing favours to others in return.

This is what collaborative consumption is all about. It will revolutionise our lives as fundamentally as the industrial revolution did in its time, so the researchers claim.

Worth reading.


Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot

by ATinNM on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 04:04:29 PM EST
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 05:00:32 PM EST
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Would it not be fine were we to see a shift in economic paridigms in no small part because the sentiments of radical individualism on which the existing paradigm is based go out of fashion. Then it might not require that most people ever actually understand what is being abandoned. They would just find it distasteful. Certainly that should not be too surprising an outcome.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 05:24:25 PM EST
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They mention a return to reputation meaning something in a social sense (and hence extending into the economic realm), and this has already been back for a decade. Couchsurfing, ebay, and any number of internet forums where people help each other out or do a trade of some sort.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Apr 19th, 2012 at 02:37:56 AM EST
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You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Apr 19th, 2012 at 03:45:45 AM EST
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Maybe.

Problem with Bottom/Up organizations is they require people get off their lazy asses and organize 'em.

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot

by ATinNM on Thu Apr 19th, 2012 at 03:17:12 PM EST
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Cider-making monks revive 200-year-old beer | UK news | guardian.co.uk
Mmmm. How nice when a beer sees the light once again.

The monks of Ampleforth abbey, who are great gardeners with a particular name for making cider, are to brew a beer from an ancient recipe in their archive, which has not been tried for two centuries.

Chuffed by the success of their apple orchard, which has grown to more than 2,000 trees and 70 varieties of apple, the Benedictine community hopes to have £36 packs of 12 bottles of beer available by the end of June.

Known traditionally as 'la bière Anglaise', the brew is thought to date back to medieval times before the order was suppressed in England under Queen Elizabeth I, a time of repeated panics over potential invasion by Catholic powers supported by recusant English followers of the 'old religion.' It assumed its French name via the loyalty of exiled monks, who brewed it in France while their French colleagues made related experiments which led in due course to the 19th century's Benedictine liqueur.

Ironically, production stopped when they finally came back across the Channel, exiles again because of the anti-clerical French Revolution. No one knows why, but perhaps they were content with the thriving English beer and ale market which saw brewers, and their women counterparts brewsters, in pretty much every village.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 05:19:52 PM EST
Interesting. I wonder what the brewing process will be, but one thing I can pretty much guarantee is that, if the beer is remotely authentic, it will be neither golden nor transparent as the picture illustrating the article shows.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Apr 18th, 2012 at 05:26:38 PM EST
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The Daily Mash - Referee declares Chelsea winners of the Superbowl
Atkinson said: "For Chelsea's second basket, Cudicini was clearly lbw so I had no choice other than to award Spurs a ten-second time penalty and sin bin their cox for ten minutes.
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Meanwhile, Chelsea will celebrate their victory by opening a lack-of-charm school for football fans hoping to brush up on the finer points of what the club have branded 'Twatiquette'.
 
Located in the grounds of their Cobham Arsehole Centre, students will be taught on the finer points of race relations, marriage vow loopholes and reasons for not keeping your fat, cretinous mouth shut for a single minute.

Ahh that feels better. I briefly lived in the neighbourhood (well OK, it was Earl's Court) in the 80s, and took care not to go outdoors on match days.

Have watched TWO Chelsea matches in recent days (due to an outbreak of visiting in-laws). Last night in the pub, there was a smattering of authentic-seeming Chelski fans. They were almost as entertaining as Chelsea's star, Diddler Drugbust, who spent most of the first half rolling around on the lawn in simulated agony after exaggerated or imaginary physical contact with Barça defenders... and then scored a brilliant goal. Bastard.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Apr 19th, 2012 at 06:04:42 AM EST
"Twatiquette" Ooooh, good word. Can't wait to find a reason to use this

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Apr 19th, 2012 at 08:07:05 AM EST
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"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu Apr 19th, 2012 at 08:20:36 AM EST


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