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by afew Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 01:40:40 PM EST

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 01:41:24 PM EST
I was wondering if we'd get one

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 01:49:46 PM EST
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I was hoeing, delving, spreading muck, planting spuds.

I don't know if there's a gadget that would have kept me online while doing that.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 02:48:38 PM EST
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with voice recognition.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 03:05:06 PM EST
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Just got most of mine planted yesterday. I am about a month late for North Arkansas. Got in 80 white onions a week ago, from onion starts that I had placed in a tub with dirt and beneficial fungi. The tallest onions are about a foot tall now. Hope the white and red spuds grow as quickly.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 11:28:59 PM EST
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A month late here too. Same for the onions, put in several lines of onion sets.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Apr 23rd, 2012 at 01:10:47 AM EST
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My garden has increased in size from ~3m x 10m to ~10m x 10m, enclosed by a fence, and I am still bringing most of the addition into cultivation. That involves sifting the dirt for rocks and roots prior to first planting. I have my onion and potato patch planted and am now working on my snow pea patch. Then it is on to strawberries and water-melons inside fence and herbs along the outside .4m strip. But I also have to get the supports up for a 50% aluminet shade cloth I have purchased. Tomatoes, peppers of various sorts and cucumbers are about ready to transplant, so it is a busy time. I also have to set up my irrigation system on a timer. I have the package and the water and power via buried pvc pipes and conduits, I but will need to hook up or temp the power which runs from the garden to the side of the house only. Little by little.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Apr 23rd, 2012 at 01:50:08 AM EST
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Guardian - Suzanne Moore - Breivik's ideology is all too familiar: that's our big problem

I know well the line on Anders Breivik and his incoherent ramblings: a mass murderer enjoying the oxygen of publicity for his vile ideas. He should have been shot. He is, in fact, mad. His trial should not be reported. Liberals have said all these things and more. The quiet, almost sterile way in which the Norwegians are listening to him personifies the "muscular liberalism" that David Cameron once spoke of.

Breivik's ideology may be difficult to listen to, but not because it is incoherent. Precisely the opposite: it is familiar. This is a problem for all of us, right or left. I wish I lived in a world where I didn't have to hear gross generalisations about Islam and creeping sharia or see an increase in antisemitism, hear fantasies about feminism going too far, and where people didn't feel their own culture to be "swamped". I wish the word "war" wasn't thrown around all the time - the war on terror, the war on drugs, the war on red tape. I wish that everything really was run by "cultural Marxists". I wish my neighbour, who has lived here for 50 years and whose grandchildren tell me she prays for me, had learned English and left the house sometimes.

I see what fuelled Breivik's crusader fantasy, his absolute fear of difference. It is not uncommon and it needs to be met head on. Still, any questioning of "multiculturalism" as it functions produces accusations of racism. The left closes in and closes down this debate. The middle class pretend Eid cakes, Diwali lights and a bit of jerk chicken will do. It won't.



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 01:53:03 PM EST
First cuppa in the garden today. Very nice. I think we got up to about 13 C this afternoon. Late lunch downtown with the Elder D.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 01:54:46 PM EST
It's been raining on and off pretty much all day, but the sun is back since 17:00, so I pulled out the barbecue after all...

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 02:15:45 PM EST
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Study: Red Meat Takes Years Off Of Cow's Life | The Onion
Confirming years of speculation, a new study from the U.S. Department of Agriculture's National Animal Health Monitoring System has found that red meat significantly increases the risk of premature death in cows. "Our research suggests that by having red meat, a cow's life can be shortened by as many as 10 years, sometimes more," Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said in an interview with CNN Tuesday.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 01:58:52 PM EST
That's veally interesting...

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 02:06:21 PM EST
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It's a load of bull.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 02:41:33 PM EST
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You shanked that one. Try hoofin' it?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 02:44:16 PM EST
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Bullocks.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 02:45:53 PM EST
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Heifer a bit of decorum...

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 02:49:09 PM EST
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Like an iceberg, you're calving.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 02:50:34 PM EST
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Cud you please stop


Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 02:57:14 PM EST
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Not 'til we've ground the gristle.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 02:59:51 PM EST
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And that's the bone fide truth!

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 03:55:00 PM EST
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Ohhh, here we go with the Rocky Mountain Oysters thread.

Have to drive a steak through its heart.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 02:49:34 PM EST
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This is an udder waste of time

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 02:52:21 PM EST
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That's worth a dairy.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 02:54:28 PM EST
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Especially for those of us on the lamb.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 02:54:29 PM EST
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This is the real ET Meat-Up.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 02:56:14 PM EST
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Where all the marmites get together?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 02:58:38 PM EST
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Without mincing my words - yes.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Apr 23rd, 2012 at 01:52:59 AM EST
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Don't all stampede.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 02:53:46 PM EST
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Lastly through a hogshead of real fire.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 02:57:14 PM EST
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Reminder: The animal with no name.

Note also that it's not only "cows" that are made into hamburger, it's (mostly) steers. Cows, too, after they're no good for milk any more. But the article says "cows" because, as mentioned above, there is no generic name for this animal. It is perhaps the biggest failing of the English language.

by asdf on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 06:34:54 PM EST
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What's wrong with "cattle?"

(Since the Normans stomped the OE word cu into oblivion.)

Unless they are branded "maverick" works.

(Good News for John McCain, BTW.)

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 07:28:03 PM EST
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It is a collective term. "The cattle is looking at me" doesn't scan.
by asdf on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 08:24:38 PM EST
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Cattle is usually but not strictly beef cattle.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Apr 23rd, 2012 at 01:43:25 PM EST
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Where's Twank when we need him to tell us about chattel slavery?

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Apr 23rd, 2012 at 01:57:44 PM EST
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French has "bovins". But I don't know if you can say "bovines" in English.

As to cows and steers, "modern" dairy cows are sent to the slaughterhouse after three-four lactations only (ie the most productive). This means a large amount of dairy cow meat on the market (compared to if cows were kept on for twice as long, as they used to be). Cow meat is therefore cheap. And you can bet that's what is mainly used in burgers.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Apr 23rd, 2012 at 01:15:55 AM EST
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"Bovine" was brought into English from the Normans. It can be used ... "Hey!  Look at those bovines!" ... but people don't in regular, standard, communication mode.  

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Mon Apr 23rd, 2012 at 12:33:34 PM EST
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No it wasn't. But don't tell Sven.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Apr 23rd, 2012 at 01:41:52 PM EST
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To move from a Top/Down to a Bottom/Up and Lateral (aka Peer-to-Peer) global economic system requires a secure transaction interface and the Internet, as constituted, ain't it.

The cybercriminals have taken aim at customers of all of Finland's largest banks. And not even the most up-to-date security software on home computers has been able to deflect the criminal attacks, said OP-Pohjola's Director of online services, Kai Koskela.

Any communication system is only as secure as its weakest link:

Nordea Bank stressed that the attacks target home computers, not the banks' systems. The bank estimates that hundreds of home computers in Finland are currently harbouring some kind of malware.

Home computers are vulnerable to malware because all microcomputer Operating Systems, including Linux, have a huge gaping hole: they allow programs to be downloaded and then run on the system.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 02:22:31 PM EST
First glance at the weather forecast for Paris and it looks pretty damp.

Ah well

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 02:25:49 PM EST
Sigh.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 02:33:36 PM EST
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You need two large bottles of gin and more Maibock then, and you won't notice the rain.
by Katrin on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 02:44:32 PM EST
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Two large bottles of Hendrick's anyway, one to drink and one for Bathing Wife to take back to the Alps.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 02:47:01 PM EST
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Or just some good Bathtub gin might be fitting?

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 03:57:24 PM EST
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Gin and Maibock?

I am looking forward to trying your cocktails with great trepidation.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 03:56:37 PM EST
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Not so bad. Temps are set to rise to reasonable, for a start (17°C on Saturday).

Wet is a matter of showers, maybe. The Météo France site says sun and showers, the Weather Channel site says sun and clouds.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 02:44:57 PM EST
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Lastly through a hogshead of real fire.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 03:01:10 PM EST
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In this way, Mr C will challenge the world!

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 03:06:50 PM EST
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"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 03:23:39 PM EST
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DAMN I love that one. Loved a lot of the numbers in that film.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 03:56:48 PM EST
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Will avoid then saying anything about today's weather in Colorado.
by asdf on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 06:36:18 PM EST
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"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 03:08:41 PM EST
The bérets and the Gauloise are a give-away, heh?

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 03:31:53 PM EST
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A clue perhaps, but my new NSA camera did a DNA analysis.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 03:34:44 PM EST
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A long article in today's Le Monde about "ecological" opposition to renewable energy (wind and solar) in the American West. The usual stuff about crashing birds, and opposition from local AmerIndian groups protesting against the encroachment on their sacred burial sites...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 03:53:32 PM EST
Anyone can tell me the point to make, and i can write a "modern journalism" article proving that point. In fact, i could write two diametrically opposed stories on the same point.

The truth that there's far more support for wind and solar amongst "ecological" people, and there's already been wind and solar projects on (current) native lands be damned.

Or that there isn't a "bird" problem, except in the media from a few projects built with archaic turbines in the first generation of windpower.

Then again, that's why propaganda is so effective.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 04:14:22 PM EST
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When writing about wind power you are severely handicapped by having long term, in-depth, knowledge of the wind power industry.  I suggest you concentrate your Public Policy statements to subjects, e.g. forensic mineralogy, about which you know squat.

(I'm your friend, here.)

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 04:34:08 PM EST
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Suggestion taken.

I'm currently finishing my doctorate linking the brain's quantum computer based on pi-electron bonding with direct experience of the entire universe through Quasi-modo quark strings heavily cello-loaded with spin-up persimmons.

Which qualifies me for my day job analyzing the full-employment policies of virtually no one.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 04:46:52 PM EST
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Can't bring to full consciousness what academic discipline "quasi-modo" belongs to but it sure rings a bell.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 05:56:35 PM EST
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hunchback studies in Victor Hugo University.
by rootless2 on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 10:38:49 PM EST
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That has to be balanced against the free-market flexibility which allows energy companies to put their equipment anywhere they like. So it turns into an argument within the "left" (sustainable enthusiasts versus conservation enthusiasts), while the "right" goes out and builds the stuff.


http://www.treehugger.com/renewable-energy/big-money-in-texas-wind-power-boom.html

by asdf on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 06:41:22 PM EST
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In amurka at least, almost all windplant is built by development companies with decently trained staff and and expert resource assessment and siting consultants.

The projects, naturally, are built on rural land, usually owned by ranchers or farmers. This land is leased for a few percent of income. Except for how the project relates to existing land use (keep the cattle gates closed, stay off the alfalfa), the owners have virtually no say in how the project is built.

But the owners do look good in the pictures at the site, far better than ties and pearls in front of a computer.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Mon Apr 23rd, 2012 at 02:08:28 AM EST
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Would anyone care to elucidate on the explosion in Nevada?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 05:30:55 PM EST
Check out Breaking News - California / Nevada Daytime Bolide Meteor Fireball 22APR2012 from Lunar Meteorite Hunters...

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 05:41:18 PM EST
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Just another example of those damn alien teenagers out on a Saturday night, helling around in daddy's spaceship. You would think after the tragic accident in Roswell, they would learn not to drink and fly...
by asdf on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 06:44:48 PM EST
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that seems within the standard range of popular support in OECD countries right now.

Oddly, we still get a lot of exhortations to pound the podium so the public's deeply hidden desire to sing the Internationale can, somehow, be liberated.

by rootless2 on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 08:42:25 PM EST
WHy the scare quotes on "left"?

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 08:48:30 PM EST
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More like skeptical than scared. I think that the intellectual and social basis of what was the left in the 20th century has evaporated.
by rootless2 on Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 at 09:08:36 PM EST
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