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by dvx Thu May 17th, 2012 at 11:46:05 AM EST

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1944 - Jesse Winchester, singer and songwriter.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 11:50:38 AM EST
apparently Donna Summer has died.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 12:40:22 PM EST
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Yeah but not Jesse Winchester.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 04:57:16 PM EST
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I like the version on his first album better, but I haven't been able to find it anywhere.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 05:06:12 PM EST
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Me too, although that could be because that's the one i imprinted.

Synchronicitous that dvx put both Jesse and Taj Mahal up (Taj in the Salon). In the mezozoic, I opened for both of them around the same time, and we kept our acquaintances over the decades.

Taj simply "blew me away," and his band then as well. I knew we'd click when I brought my drums before sound check, to find the band outside playing frisbee. You had to call out the name of one of the 500 NDN tribes after catching the frisbee, or you were out. for some reason, i thought that was cool.

After our first night, Taj's brilliant drummer Kester "Smitty" Smith came up to me and said, "I've never seen anyone play drums like that, it sounds so cool." And here i thought it was a privilege just to breath the same air as him.

And Taj was just a gateway into another dimension, especially as he'd added Caribbean players to his band. Watching Robert Greenidge play steel drums like Coltane's sax flipped me out.

When we opened for Jesse, i think it was just the second night of his first US tour after being pardoned by Jimmy Carter for fleeing to Canada to avoid the draft. Emotions were high and the band, even though they were Canuckian :-)) , smoked. There was so much emotion as Mississippi-born Jesse, forced to grow up in Memphis,, the son of a Tennessee state senator or something equally establishment, was coming from years of exile. (Though of course living in super cool Montreal, doesn't exactly classify as punishment.)

There was an almost bootleg album of that live band recorded in Philly a few nights later, Live at the Bijou. Hope it hasn't melted underneath some garage in Frisco.

But i was in awe of jesse's songwriting, his molasses and whisky voice, his humor, and his band. Haven't seen him since moving to Yurp, but remember going back to his hotel room to tell stories after a solo gig the last i saw him.

If there are any videos of him dancing to "Rhumba Man" from those days, check it out. Was the best response to disco i ever saw.

He seems to have fought off cancer of the esophagus, man Jesse, we just lost Levon to that, hang tough, bro.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Fri May 18th, 2012 at 03:05:54 AM EST
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oh, and Danke dvx for putting those two up together.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Fri May 18th, 2012 at 03:55:59 AM EST
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Don't thank me - it was the serendipity of the day.

And I am just so totally envious right now.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Fri May 18th, 2012 at 03:59:38 AM EST
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Forgot to write something important about Taj.

Once I'd packed my drums aside, and focused on this and that windpower firsts, i always had deep regrets in the back of my mind. But whenever I'd stop by to see Taj after a show in the 80's and 90's, he'd always remind me how important the windpower stuff was, and he had respect for what i'd done.

He had grown up in western Mass, a hippie/enviro hotbed... and he'd been working on a dairy farm long enough to become foreman, milking cows at 4am (after coming home from a blues band gig). But western Mass was one of the first areas to fully embrace the sustainability/renewable concepts, and put them into practice, and he never forgot that politics/energy economics mix.

He even read an early draft of Hiawatha.

Still, i believe the world is a better place, that when he finished at UMass, he went to LaLa and formed a band with Ry Cooder, and added the first native star, Jesse "Ed" Davis, to the mix, and the rest is history.

vielen Dank, Taj and Jesse.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Fri May 18th, 2012 at 05:44:39 AM EST
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that's when i picked up on him, that first album with jesse ed, ry cooder was some of the tightest, soulfullest blues i had ever heard, the one named 'taj mahal' with the chickens running around on the cover. his voice had all the right attributes and his harp playing kicked ass.

the liner notes were great too, i was immediately intrigued by his education and how down-home a person he was, reading interviews with him at the time.

man i bout wore out the groove on that album and the next. as per usual, the first 2 albums are the best imo.

then i saw him in cotati ca. with a horn section in the mid seventies and though jesse and ry weren't there the band blew the roof off and i became aware of what a syncopation master he was. funk and caribbean had crept way into the grooves compared to the more straight down the line style of the earlier stuff that had hooked me in 69 when he first became known to me.

then he popped up in hawaii, he lived on kauai and would come over to the big island and give one man shows. by then he could play so many rhythms simultaneously with so many accents it was like a master class, and some of it went over my head.

i'll never forget him standing there rocking different parts of his body to the mix of grooves, with that big red guitar. he's a big man, surely able to toss hay bales like they weighed nothing as a young man, and his stage presence was really earthy and commanding.

what a great gift he shares...

thanks for your recollections CH!

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri May 18th, 2012 at 06:45:24 AM EST
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i have heard brits are bailing en masse if they can.

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri May 18th, 2012 at 05:18:56 AM EST
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i'm guessing you meant this comment for the Bank of England's rowboat blog.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Fri May 18th, 2012 at 05:25:36 AM EST
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Some smokin' hot gospel from Jesse with Emmylou and Bonnie in 1977, about the time you're talking about:

A guy in the comments says: "I'm not a Christian, but I steal their music sometimes. Think of the Mighty Hand as the love between friends."

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri May 18th, 2012 at 05:40:38 AM EST
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Yes!

That was the closing encore song on that tour, all chills and goose bumps.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Fri May 18th, 2012 at 05:50:31 AM EST
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The Bijou Café is also available in CD or mp3.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri May 18th, 2012 at 06:21:14 AM EST
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Dis da one:

Click for lyrics.

Taj Mahal is colossal.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri May 18th, 2012 at 05:29:17 AM EST
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So wrong, since I last looked (years have gone by...) it's been remastered and is on sale.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri May 18th, 2012 at 05:49:52 AM EST
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DL'd the mp3s and took a big hit.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri May 18th, 2012 at 06:20:21 AM EST
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Well, you kinda guessed that something like this would happen eventually. Apparently some truths about economics, especially those which offend the sponsors, are just too darned political

National Journal - The Inequality Speech That TED Won't Show You

Prepare to meet Nick Hanauer. He's a venture capitalist from Seattle who was the first non-family investor in Amazon.com. Today he's a very rich man. And, somewhat jarringly, he's screaming to anyone who will listen that he, and other wealthy innovators like him, doesn't create jobs. The middle class does - and its decline threatens everyone in America, from the innovators on down.

You'll read a lot more about Hanauer in the next installation of Restoration Calls, which drops tomorrow. In the meantime, check out the full text of a speech Hanauer gave in March at the TED University conference. You can't find the talk online, because TED officials have declared it too politically controversial to post on their web site. You be the judge:

{text of speech follows}



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 12:45:56 PM EST
National Journal - Too Hot for TED: Income Inequality

If you're plugged into the Internet, chances are you've seen a TED talk - the wonky, provocative web videos that have become a sort of nerd franchise. TED.com is where you go to find Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg explaining why the world has too few female leaders, or Twitter cofounder Evan Williams sharing the secret power of listening to users to drive company improvement. The slogan of the nonprofit group behind the site is "Ideas Worth Spreading."

There's one idea, though, that TED's organizers recently decided was too controversial to spread: the notion that widening income inequality is a bad thing for America, and that as a result, the rich should pay more in taxes.



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 12:49:14 PM EST
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Too Hot for TED: Income Inequality
"But even if the talk was rated a home run, we couldn't release it, because it would be unquestionably regarded as out and out political. We're in the middle of an election year in the US. Your argument comes down firmly on the side of one party. And you even reference that at the start of the talk. TED is nonpartisan and is fighting a constant battle with TEDx organizers to respect that principle....

"Nick, I personally share your disgust at the growth in inequality in the US, and would love to have found a way to give people a clearer mindset on the issue, without stoking a tedious partisan rehash of all the arguments we hear every day in the mainstream media.

"Alas, my judgment - and it is just a judgment, and that's why my job title is 'curator' - is that publishing your talk would not meet that goal."

TED: fair and balanced.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 01:03:12 PM EST
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in recent years anything that isn't specifically pro 1% has been mocked as "class warfare." Now we've got "partisan" and the next stop is "political" along the way to scarier words like "dangerous."

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 01:13:38 PM EST
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And "radical"


Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 02:03:33 PM EST
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Downright extremist, I say.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 05:08:16 PM EST
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I think TED as a tradition of doing things like that. Taleb often complains that is presentation was censored (on the basis that it was too boring - which probably was, he is a bad public speaker).

I rate TED (and its followers) with Apple and The Economist: people desperate to look smart and fashionable. Normally they are neither (OK, they are "fashionable").

by cagatacos on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 01:27:40 PM EST
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TED has a slightly creepy evangelical revivalist feel to it.

The rhetoric is often more emotional than rational. Critical thinking doesn't seem to be encouraged.

So I'm not entirely surprised they censored someone off-message.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 07:09:45 PM EST
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TED talks tend to amp-up the Gee-Whiz! factor.  Perhaps due to the short time limit?

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 07:22:00 PM EST
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all subjects permitted except the 800lb gorilla breathing down our necks.

that's exactly the audience needed to get on board.

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri May 18th, 2012 at 06:09:35 AM EST
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New French govt agrees 30% pay cut for president, ministers - FRANCE - FRANCE 24
France's new Socialist government agreed a 30% salary cut for the president and for members of the cabinet at its first meeting on Thursday. "It's setting an example," Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault said in a televised interview Wednesday.

AP - Members of France's new Socialist-led government will promise Thursday to take a pay cut, a gesture of shared sacrifice by leaders who must now both reduce the country's massive debts and tackle spiraling unemployment.

President Francois Hollande promised during his campaign to protect France's elaborate social benefit system -- even vowing to roll back some cuts that his predecessor Nicolas Sarkozy had made -- while also continuing to trim the country's deficit. France hasn't balanced a budget in nearly 40 years, and Hollande has promised to eliminate the deficit in 2017.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 12:54:01 PM EST
Five years ago, shortly after his inauguration, Sarkozy started his term by voting himself a 172% pay rise (7084€ to 19311€ per month); same for Prime Minister F.Fillon.

This, along the Fouquet's diner and the Bolloré yacht, went a long way in etching the bling-bling image that Sarko just couldn't shake off. People haven't forgotten.

This is why Hollande's decision, even if symbolic, is actually aimed at delivering a "message" to the electorate (this, and his car stopping at traffic lights, a fact that had many TV anchors practically swooning last Tuesday).

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 01:26:14 PM EST
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It seems that, 3 years too late, Liam byrne MP, former member of the Labour Treasury Team and most noted for being as right wing as it is possible for a Labour MP to be without actually voting Tory, has actually noticed that kicking the poor isn't always the best way forward.

Liberal Conspiracy - Sunny Hundal - Has Liam Byrne discovered his conscience over disability benefits?

When I heard yesterday afternoon that Liam Byrne MP was due to give a speech criticising Iain Duncan Smith for "demonising" disabled people, I thought I had misheard. If anything, he has form in ignoring disability issues and to say he's an unpopular among disability activists would be an understatement.

But Liam Byrne gave the second Beveridge lecture yesterday at Demos and the reception has been remarkably positive and hopeful. No, seriously.

So what did he actually say? Here are some excerpts;-



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 12:57:54 PM EST
Occasionally Left Wing (sic) pols have to tick the box labeled "Pretend to Care."

(ATinNM Cynicism Rating set to 11.)

 

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 02:06:38 PM EST
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well it may be set to 11, but mine says the same and It's only set to 3

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 02:27:04 PM EST
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So, you're cynically challenged?

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 02:42:25 PM EST
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He's been trying hard, give him a break.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 05:10:36 PM EST
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well the weather hasn't been good enough recently to sit naked in a barrel in the marketplace.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 08:25:47 PM EST
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Sounds like a definition of the bright neolib tomorrow.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri May 18th, 2012 at 01:12:26 AM EST
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The BBC have just revealed that BBC1, the main TV channel, will be dedicated to broadcasting the Olympics 18 hours a day.

I am so leaving the country during that time.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 01:08:41 PM EST
Lack interest in seeing if the javelin flinging impales a 4 x 400 meter relay runner?

Don't care to share London with 200,000,000 of your closest friends?

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 02:12:56 PM EST
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Nope, the entire South East will be hellish for the entire period. I might strike north, but I imagine I'll be heading to germany/czech republic

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 02:16:10 PM EST
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Could visit the Land of Enchantment© and purchase shiny objects:

of many & varied varieties.

And what home isn't instantly improved by hanging a Chili Riata:

on the front porch?

Or grab some Prickly Pear jelly:

for that "extra touch" (that says you care) when having those special friends over for dinner.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 02:32:49 PM EST
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The UK is too damp for dried chillis, they just re-hydrate and go mouldy unless they're used very quickly.

I brought back 4 packs of dried peppers from Bulgraia last time I was there and am using them up fast as I can.

The enchantments I mostly seek involve brown bottled pleasure

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 03:01:40 PM EST
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Don't forget your friends in Bavaria! You have our numbers.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 05:12:23 PM EST
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Not forgotten at all, I'm definitely factoring you in

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri May 18th, 2012 at 02:55:18 AM EST
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Among the many things I need to get done before (chuckle!) the summer break, is to get the core course I teach into an online (actually "blended") format.  Thanks to Bill Gates and others, the Khan model has been thrust upon us as a method worthy of emulation.  What do you think?  Here is a sample "lecture" drawn from the recent (or current) economic crisis:


"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 01:19:48 PM EST
By the way, the above was NOT a creation of mine; it was from the Khanacademy.  

In much more exiting news (from my point of view, anyway), our research institute's website is FINALLY ONLINE!!!

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne

by maracatu on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 02:03:04 PM EST
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Will watch later.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 02:13:39 PM EST
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Donna Summer dies of cancer at 63 | Music | guardian.co.uk

Donna Summer, a singular vocal stylist whose string of disco hits spawned five Grammy awards and a following that has long outlived the genre, has died at age 63 of cancer.

Summer, a native of Dorchester, Massachusetts, died Thursday in Florida, according to the showbiz website TMZ, which first reported the news. A family statement later confirmed the death.

Born LaDonna Adrian Gaines, Summer broke into the music business in her early 20s as a backing singer for Three Dog Night. Her first hit, Love to Love You Baby, reached the No 2 spot on the Billboard charts in 1976. The string of hit singles that followed - Could It Be Magic, Last Dance, Hot Stuff and, most notably, I Feel Love - revolutionised 1970s disco



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 01:56:47 PM EST
Very odd feeling. The mobile has been silent, but upstairs the very handymen have been jackhammering the top of a stone wall in the 110 db range (AKA 11). The press release I was writing at the time soon evolved into such a brief sentence style that it might be termed Hemingwayesque. Communicationwise it might represent an improvement.

The sun was beaming as the jacks hammered. When they fell silent it began to rain. A day of contrasts, if I may use a word filled with new meaning by TV travelogue presenters. They may compare the vibrant colourful life of a shanty town to the ascetic architecture of Brasilia that it butts up to, but what they really mean is there is more than one thing happening in the location they are travellogging. In the travel industry this is regarded as a USP.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 03:01:59 PM EST
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/richard_wilkinson.html

much better than the "censored" talk.

by rootless2 on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 03:25:44 PM EST
Hopefully I can watch this tomorrow, right now my connection refuses the bndwidth to allow me such delights

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 17th, 2012 at 05:01:06 PM EST
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I go away for....what 3 years? And Eurotrib is STILL the most intellectually, socially and politically brilliant blog around. Bar none. Keep on trucking brothers and sisters!

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Fri May 18th, 2012 at 02:50:03 AM EST
What ? you found the only place on the planet with no internet.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri May 18th, 2012 at 02:56:17 AM EST
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Desert tribes never were that good at staying online. They were either busy escaping, or using their bandwidth to stay in touch with other dimensions.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Fri May 18th, 2012 at 03:14:28 AM EST
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good to see yer

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri May 18th, 2012 at 03:51:41 AM EST
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Danke, and i said desert tribes as that's where Herr whatabout's been working.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Fri May 18th, 2012 at 05:53:20 AM EST
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Hey, Bob!
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri May 18th, 2012 at 05:43:38 AM EST
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i seem to remember a couple of comments during that time, though. you ain't been completely gone!

sure is great to see you back again.

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri May 18th, 2012 at 06:51:09 AM EST
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Actually, the Apache are BIG Facebook users. Though, unfortunately, its used mostly to gossip. Still...its big on their rez. As for me, the internet keeps me sane (most of the time)...but the US is a weird place...

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Fri May 18th, 2012 at 12:20:40 PM EST
Bob, that was a joke, they're not currently escaping except perhaps in the metaphoric sense, that was the clue.

And i do know lots of tribes are very net savvy. Though limited in net infrastructure investment capability.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Fri May 18th, 2012 at 12:29:19 PM EST
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