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by Nomad Sun May 27th, 2012 at 11:58:12 AM EST

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I knew that the Dodd bill was mis-aimed, but, if this article is correct, I really missed the true purpose.

paul spencer
by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Sun May 27th, 2012 at 12:38:20 PM EST
The original intent in Dodd-Frank, IIRCC, was to require 'standard' derivatives to trade on exchanges for purposes of transparency. The vast bulk of risky derivatives are Over The Counter, OTC, and are custom tailored for specific customers by large banks. Given that all of the specifics were left to be worked out by administrative committees vulnerable to lobbying pressure it would not be surprising to find the taxpayer being put under the OTC derivatives tower as the new foundation by manipulation of the rules. That is easier politically than reining in the issuers of derivatives.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun May 27th, 2012 at 01:34:23 PM EST
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the we find the bombing of 32 children in Syria more despicable and revolting than the bombing of 6 kids in Afghanistan by NATO.

Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun May 27th, 2012 at 02:05:48 PM EST
The human decision made regarding Morality© of an Act primarily depends on whether the Actor is a member of the In Group ("Us") or an Out Group ("Them.")  

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Sun May 27th, 2012 at 02:27:17 PM EST
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In this sort of case the identity of the acted upon is important.

In this case they're not human, so who cares?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Sun May 27th, 2012 at 05:58:57 PM EST
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"We"?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun May 27th, 2012 at 03:13:27 PM EST
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Oui, Oui, white man.  Even la Belle France is a participant in the cluster nut that NATO has cooked up in Afghanistan.

Almost 4,000 troops near Kabul.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sun May 27th, 2012 at 04:36:45 PM EST
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That's a fact that hadn't escaped me.

I was wondering who the "we" were who (in Jerome's comment) found civilian massacres in Syria worse than in Afghanistan. In other words, I was dissociating myself from the "we" in question.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun May 27th, 2012 at 04:49:15 PM EST
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Reading Zwackus' Socratic Economics XII: Utopian Government Finance diary and I can't help but feel the basis of the analysis is awfully - well - static in that there's an underlying axiomatic assumption of Excluded Middle Logic.

Take Our Friend, the Power Law:

IF the PL holds in banking it seems to me it's a clear proof banking regulations should change wrt the totality of a firm's position on the PL Curve.  It may very well be the First National Bank of ATinNM - located all the way on the right - should be allowed to take risks Mongo 600lb Gorilla Bank all the way on the left shouldn't.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Sun May 27th, 2012 at 02:23:56 PM EST
I did consider posting a comment on the utility of a visual model that could show balance sheet transactions between various entities in time sequence. Steve Keen has some rudimentary versions of such a model drawing a bit on Godley and based on his system of linear differential equations. Such presentation is much more readily apprehendable to most people, especially those who do not have a background in banking.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun May 27th, 2012 at 02:41:31 PM EST
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I'm fairly confident linear differential equations ... or linear anything .... isn't The Way To Go.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Sun May 27th, 2012 at 03:23:20 PM EST
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It may very well be the First National Bank of ATinNM - located all the way on the right - should be allowed to take risks Mongo 600lb Gorilla Bank all the way on the left shouldn't.

Yes. This. For a variety of reasons.

  1. Banks have lending and risk management policies, and this means that if they make a mistake in one place in their portfolio, they are likely to replicate it elsewhere in their portfolio. The bigger their portfolio is, the greater the consequence of such an oversight (or "oversight").

  2. Taking stupid risks which happens to pay off is a quick way to get big as a bank, so big banks should be monitored more closely. Taking stupid risks which happen to not pay off is a quick way to go bust as a bank, but you don't see the bust banks in the power law.

Incidentally, #2 also argues for subjecting rapidly growing banks to tighter regulation than stable bank. While #1 argues for closely supervising banks who are rapidly changing the composition of their portfolio. Because banks have credit policies for a reason, and a rapidly changing portfolio may indicate that the bank in question is entering unfamiliar territory.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun May 27th, 2012 at 03:40:49 PM EST
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Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Sun May 27th, 2012 at 03:29:33 PM EST
I was wondering about trying Mary-Jane, but now I know it turns you green I think I'll pass.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon May 28th, 2012 at 02:26:01 AM EST
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by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Sun May 27th, 2012 at 05:09:29 PM EST

for you afew

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun May 27th, 2012 at 05:47:43 PM EST
Thanks!
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon May 28th, 2012 at 02:10:41 AM EST
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A friend of mine has run into a problem with Medicare, who sent him a mail saying that it was time for his PSA test. He went to the doc and got the test, and now Medicare won't pay for it. Seems that there is some fine print about how they "may" pay and you have to check on another web site to verify your particular circumstances.

I'm tempted to tell him that this is an artifact of not having a single payer insurance system, but Medicare is pretty close to such a thing.

So in the various European systems, how is this handled? Does the system remind you of your recommended procedures and tests? (Maybe we Americans are test-crazy, and you don't have that problem.) Do you have to argue with them about payment, or is it actually "show up at doc, get serviced, system pays."

by asdf on Sun May 27th, 2012 at 07:43:28 PM EST
here its show up at docs, have tests, system pays, (Occasionally it's you'll have to wait a few weeks if it isnt vital, and you can go to a private provider and theyll do it this afternoon)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun May 27th, 2012 at 10:14:08 PM EST
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My GP writes a prescription for the analysis results she wants to see (including PSA), I take it to the lab, the work is done. Everything is covered by national health insurance and the top-up mutual.

But you need both - national insurance doesn't cover the total cost. In some cases (dentistry, glasses) it covers precious little. So the French system depends (increasingly) on everyone having a complementary insurance in the private sector - in fact mostly mutual, but can also be offered by non-mutual insurance companies. For those who can't afford this, there is a state complementary system called the CMU, access to which is based on an income test.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon May 28th, 2012 at 02:24:12 AM EST
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For Sweden:

asdf:

So in the various European systems, how is this handled? Does the system remind you of your recommended procedures and tests?

Yes, but my impression is that there are fewer automatic recommends for adults here then in the US. And much fewer tests, because the doctors don't get payed per test.

asdf:

Do you have to argue with them about payment, or is it actually "show up at doc, get serviced, system pays."

Show up, etc. You pay a nominal fee and if those add up to substantial amounts in the same year, you get them waived.

There is one way you can get into a jam though. With the EU you can get a treatment in another country that your national authority thinks is frivilous. Seen a few cases in the media over the years. If you have planned medical treatment in another EU country, check before you go.

I would say that the problem is not single-payer, it is that your friend has to carry the bill between the doctor and the single-payer, when that should be between the doctor and the single-payer. But you are also right in that it is a legacy from a system operating in a multi-payer environment.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Mon May 28th, 2012 at 04:05:48 PM EST
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Thanks for comments on single payer health. It is interesting how people here complain about our system but then won't vote to make it better...
by asdf on Mon May 28th, 2012 at 04:57:06 PM EST
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Twitter / tiang: @stilgherrian: Cambridge r
@stilgherrian: Cambridge researchers found a back door in a Chinese-made chip used in US military hardware http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sps32/sec_new ... cc @arclight


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun May 27th, 2012 at 10:14:41 PM EST
Doesn't it seem idiotic in the first place to get your chips for military usage from someone you think of as a potential foe? Can the USA no longer make ANYTHING itself?

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Mon May 28th, 2012 at 12:43:31 AM EST
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Yes but the device costs more if made in the US which increases the price to the consumer and decreases the profit margin of the US company.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Mon May 28th, 2012 at 01:38:00 AM EST
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But the consumer is the military. Since when were they concerned about costs?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Mon May 28th, 2012 at 02:22:28 AM EST
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The military doesn't care about cost but the Defense Contractor sure cares about profitability.  

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Mon May 28th, 2012 at 11:20:05 AM EST
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by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Mon May 28th, 2012 at 03:52:53 AM EST


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