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Doom Is Inevitable?

by afew Wed May 30th, 2012 at 05:44:17 AM EST

Edward Harrison on Credit Writedowns:

Why can't people understand national accounting? | Credit Writedowns

In my view, austerity is a failed paradigm. (...) the deficit is the result of an ex-post accounting identity between private savings, and capital account and government balances. It makes zero sense to target the effect (deficits) instead of the cause (excess credit growth and malinvestment). (...) Focus on the policy and policy goals, not deficits.

(...) The right narrative for what has happened is that the depression has been the result of significant malinvestment that was built up during the so-called ‘Great Moderation’ [link added by afew] as a result of loose monetary policy at the Fed and other central banks in a world awash in fiat money. The real policy question should be how to eliminate the malinvestment and reallocate capital investment to useful productive enterprises without creating a deflationary spiral. When credit is written down, GDP drops and people are thrown out of work. That can be mitigated. It is bank runs that create deflationary spirals. So the answer is to write down assets and recapitalise the banking system quickly rather than dragging it out. The goal should be to allow increased savings and debt and debt interest reduction to combine with increased income to accelerate the deleveraging process without causing runs.

Sounds good, but given that the ECB has just rejected helping Spain recapitalise Bankia -- in other words, the European economic establishment is far from accepting Harrison's prescriptions -- what hope is there of sanity prevailing before it's too late?

And isn't it too late anyway? Peter Boone and Simon Johnson (h/t ARGeezer):

The End Of The Euro: A Survivor’s Guide | The Baseline Scenario

Jacek Rostowski, the Polish Finance Minister, recently warned that the calamity of a Greek default is likely to result in a flight from banks and sovereign debt across the periphery, and that – to avoid a greater calamity – all remaining member nations need to be provided with unlimited funding for at least 18 months. Mr. Rostowski expresses concern, however, that the ECB is not prepared to provide such a firewall, and no other entity has the capacity, legitimacy, or will to do so. (...)

The end of the euro system looks like this. The periphery suffers ever deeper recessions — failing to meet targets set by the troika — and their public debt burdens will become more obviously unaffordable. The euro falls significantly against other currencies, but not in a manner that makes Europe more attractive as a place for investment.

Instead, there will be recognition that the ECB has lost control of monetary policy, is being forced to create credits to finance capital flight and prop up troubled sovereigns — and that those credits may not get repaid in full. The world will no longer think of the euro as a safe currency; rather investors will shun bonds from the whole region, and even Germany may have trouble issuing debt at reasonable interest rates.

Doom is inevitable, or is there hope anywhere?


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Eurointelligence (e-mail briefing):

Martin Wolf writes in his FT column that the solution to the eurozone crisis will ultimately depend on Germany's self-interest. At the moment, Germany's announced policies are not consistent with a survival of the eurozone.

    "This is how I understand the views of the German government and monetary authorities: no eurozone bonds; no increase in funds available to the European Stability Mechanism (currently €500bn); no common backing for the banking system; no deviation from fiscal austerity, including in Germany itself; no monetary financing of governments; no relaxation of eurozone monetary policy;and no powerful credit boom in Germany. The creditor country, in whose hands power in a crisis lies, is saying "nein" at least seven times."

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 05:49:32 AM EST
no deviation from fiscal austerity, including in Germany itself;

Austerity is functioning as intended in Germany, so why should those who pushed for it change it now? But Germany had no difficulty colluding with France to fudge the SGP when it would have hurt those same interests now pushing austerity.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 08:43:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Too late for what?

Too late to save the Euro? Almost certainly. Germany has had one foreign policy objective for at least the last forty years: To get somebody who is not the BuBa to pay for defending the BuBa's currency policy. Now they have managed to write that objective into the foundational treaties of the Eurozone, and they can't or won't understand that this success is what causes the crisis.

Too late to prevent rollback of gainful European integration made over the last two decades when the Eurozone admits defeat and breaks up? Probably.

Too late to save the EU? Unlikely. Too much institutional inertia is on the side of the EU surviving Eurozone breakup.

Too late to prevent a descent into failed states and an authoritarian backlash against the austerity policies that have usurped the outward trappings of democratic constitutions? Maybe, maybe not. Hard to forecast.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 06:21:40 AM EST
It's only too late for the Euro because the German government want it to be.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 06:29:02 AM EST
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If Germany does not want to be part of a European currency union, then no power short of sending a gunboat up the Spree can force Germany to be a part of a European currency union.

If the rest of Europe doesn't want to have a currency union without Germany, and Germany doesn't want a currency union, then there will be no currency union without substantial amounts of gunboat diplomacy.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 07:03:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I don't think the German government want the breakup of the euro. I think it's still a question of denial and cognitive dissonance.

I also think that it's likely they will continue to take baby steps, tottering away from the edge of the precipice as the ground crumbles beneath them.

But I'm known for my pathological optimism.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 07:40:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The German government has made extremely clear that they want a flying unicorn pony version of a currency union.

I trust you will forgive me for extrapolating to the conclusion that they don't want any currency union that would actually work in the real world.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 08:00:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]
German elites are high on their own acid spiked cool-aid.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 08:47:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
eurogreen:
I don't think the German government want the breakup of the euro. I think it's still a question of denial and cognitive dissonance.

perception is reality.

germans really believe we could all be like them if we got up off our asses and became serious.

the worst part is there is a grain of truth to their argument, just not a bushel, as they see it...

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 08:31:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]
What explains the East Germans?
by Upstate NY on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 10:15:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]
communism temporarily fried their brains?

apart from angela, are they really that relevant?

the young germans i have met, from east and west, give me a lot of hope. they seem balanced. not too proud to be german, not ashamed either. better educated than italians and brits i think. europhilic too.

i think most of the anality is coming from high places in w. germany, not their poorer cousin.

angela's just the hatchetwoman, (executioner?)

i think the recalcitrant germans are only thinking of the bottom line and are too corrupted and arrogant to realise they are cutting off the very limb they're perched on, or they're too sociopathic to care.

it's global now anyway, there are no nations to them, just aggregates of consumers.

freedom, baby! <barf>

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 11:57:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The world as it is / The world as the Germans want it



It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 10:50:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, that lower right-hand picture is close to the way that you are supposed to eat M&Ms. First you sort them by color, then line them up, then select them for consumption according to your preferred algorithm:

  • Select from largest group first, or
  • Select in proportion to original group size, or
  • Select all of one color first.
by asdf on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 11:11:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]
ordnung uber alles!

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 12:00:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
JakeS:
Too much institutional inertia is on the side of the EU surviving Eurozone breakup.

When there's no single currency and our monetarily sovereign nations are re-adjusting their terms of trade (no simple process, and involving also EU countries not in the Eurozone), the pressure on governments to take protectionist measures will be considerable. How long will the single market last?

What may then be left of the EU? A gaggle of rump institutions of varying usefulness or authority?

(I know, someone is going to say that's not far off what it's always been...)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 06:54:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]
We should be so lucky if the roll-back process could be made to stop at the Single European Act...

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 06:58:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Migeru:
the roll-back process

Forgive me, but this is an almighty clusterfuck we're heading for, not a process.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 10:19:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You can prohibit tariffs and technical import restrictions while at the same time allowing countries to protect their balance of payments through competitive devaluation. The impacts of the two are different, and the former is far more pernicious than the latter.

It is possible that the single market will unravel as collateral damage to the collapse of the common currency, but far from certain. Because the single market actually makes sense.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 07:02:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]
JakeS:
You can prohibit tariffs and technical import restrictions while at the same time allowing countries to protect their balance of payments through competitive devaluation.

Well, you can. I'm suggesting that the disorder and pressure on governments will be such that we will be more likely to see devaluation wars become trade wars.

JakeS:

the single market actually makes sense

A number of things that make sense do not seem to be flying within radar reach of our governments and knowledgeable classes.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 10:18:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]
For charitable values of 'knowledgeable'.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 10:25:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
How does devaluation without trade barriers protect against conventional colonialist exploitation?
by asdf on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 11:16:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]
How do trade barriers protect you against conventinal colonial exploitation?

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 01:23:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Ha, well, they don't "automatically" do any such thing. But they do open up the possibility of such controls.

For example, a state like Saudi Arabia could respond directly to the international supply and demand environment for oil, which would presumably, over time, result in a certain rate of depletion of the resource. But they could also say "look, our oil will eventually run out, so let's throttle the pumping and try to keep this setup going as long as possible."

If you just allow the market to decide what to do, it will strip resources bare, then move on--leaving the people who live nearby with nothing. That is an important part of having environmental regulations: to try to maintain sustainability.

by asdf on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 04:11:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
That's true, but I'm not clear on why you need trade barriers to accomplish that. Just don't sell drilling concessions, or sell them with sticky strings attached.

It's "free trade," not "free for all trade."

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Jun 1st, 2012 at 07:32:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]
If you collect excessive rent from resources, or you just supply leisure class with free lunches, you will leave labour with nothing. Poverty then increases population growth and destroys sustainability. Sadly, often the so called green initatives are not sustainable.
by kjr63 on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 12:03:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Sounds good, but given that the ECB has just rejected helping Spain recapitalise Bankia -- in other words, the European economic establishment is far from accepting Harrison's prescriptions -- what hope is there of sanity prevailing before it's too late?
The announced strategy in the Bankia case is bonkers on several levels. First, the CEO parachuted in by the government has proposed to recapitalize the parent holding BFA (a bad bank whose only public interest functions are carried out through firms it has a stake in) to the tune of 19 billion, after it was already decided three weeks ago to convert 4.5 billion of existing convertible bonds held by the government into equity. Then, BFA would underwrite up to 12 billion of a rights issue of the actual banking subsidiary, Bankia. The proper way to do this, assuming it is in the public interest for the government to steer the restructuring of Bankia from the management, would be to first take a 12 billion government equity stake in Bankia, which would massively dilute BFA's share from 45% to zilch, and then to let BFA go through bankruptcy court.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 06:23:46 AM EST
Bringing a comment over from the Salon:
From Eurointelligence (see elsewhere in this Salon):
German press outraged a Spanish plan to recapitalize Bankia via the ECB

The German press is running several editorials that express horror at the idea floated by the Spanish government over the weekend that the Bankia problem may be solved by providing the troubled bank with Spanish government bonds which Bankia could in turn hand over to the ECB as collateral for central bank liquidity. Stefan Ruhkamp of Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung argues that by using such "tricks" Madrid is provoking the market defiance that it tries to avoid at all cost. "If the last confidence of the investors is lost all that would be left would be help request for an international stabilization program that Greece, Ireland and Portugal are already receiving", he argues. "This is the honest and apparently unavoidable way." Markus Zydra of Süddeutsche Zeitung points at the uselessness of ECB interventions that the Spanish government appears to hope for, particularly a reactivation of the SMP. "What would be the point," he asks. "If the ECB once again buys Spanish bonds, the interest rates will decrease. But then what? As soon as the ECB ends its purchases interest rates will go up again."

While the German press is pining for an "international stabilization program", the FT story quoted above says
Senior government officials in Madrid argue that bailouts in Portugal, Greece and Ireland have been catastrophic and Spain will not compromise on its refusal to accept a similar form of intervention.

They said the country had implemented reforms requested by Brussels and must now be granted relief by the ECB, or the future of the single currency will be threatened. The government would like to see the ECB restart its government bond-buying programme and wants the nascent European Stability Mechanism to be retooled as a bank bailout fund.

"This is like a game of poker now," one government adviser said, "and I don't think Spain is bluffing."

On the reforms that Spain has implemented, there will be more, apparently, program or no program. [Eurointelligence]
Commission proposes that Spain gets another year to cut deficit

Of course, Spain needs another year to get to 3%. Spain probably needs five years. The Commission is now bowing to the inevitable, and is proposing to extend the target for Spain to meet the 3% deficit target by one year, El Pais reports from Brussels. But there is one important caveat: Spain must undertake a number of reforms, including measures on pensions, the financial system, taxation and labour reform. Specifically, Brussels wants Madrid to accelerate the increase in the pension age. It wants a higher base for VAT, meaning that the full rate of 18% is applied to products that currently enjoyed the reduced rate.

If Spain holds fast in its position that they will not accept an "intervention" then we have a default in our hands in the near future, either a bank default or a sovereign default. Spain has over 200% GDP of foreign private debt, intermediated through the banking system. Could we have a 2 trillion Euro intra-EU default in our hands?

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 06:35:32 AM EST
This just in, from Reuters: ECB says did not give opinion on Spanish bank plans (Chicago Tribune, May 30, 2012)
"Contrary to media reports published today, the European Central Bank has not been consulted and has not expressed a position on plans by the Spanish authorities to recapitalize a major Spanish bank," the central bank said in a statement.

...

The Financial Times said on Wednesday the ECB opposed plans to recapitalize troubled Spanish lender Bankia by indirectly tapping the ECB for cash.

Spanish economy ministry spokeswoman said earlier on Wednesday the government did not consult the ECB on its plans to recapitalize nationalized lender Bankia and will likely tap the markets to inject new funds in the bank.



guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 06:41:35 AM EST
Hello my name is Jörg Asmussen and I'm the ECB.

Von überall könnte das Volk, Urbrut alles Undemokratischen, Zelle des Terrors, über die gewählten Hüter von Wachstum und Wohlstand® kommen. - flatter
by generic on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 06:51:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Doom would have been Eurobonds and fiscal federalism. Real doom.

I know, I know people here would like it. But let me suggest this thought experiment:

Imagine an even more centralized system (what Eurobonds and fiscal mix would entail) in the hands of the current ruling elite? Think disaster times two. An even more centralized system would attract even more lobbying attempts from financial elites (or whatever shadow power du jour).

Even worse elites with even more power. No thanks.

by cagatacos on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 06:54:02 AM EST
Shorter version, by Colman:
Don't hand weapons to crazy people.


guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 06:56:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The sane people are where?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 06:58:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Since they are not in evidence, don't give the EU more powers.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 06:59:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Not that'll it make any practical difference, since nutjobs are running all the member states.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 07:00:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]
So don't give them more powers at the state level, either.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 07:00:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]
That is what I meant.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 07:04:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]
There's always SYRIZA.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 07:07:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]
We've yet to see what they do rather than say.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 07:08:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]
On the other hand, on the off chance that's there's an outbreak of sanity in a member state, giving the EU level nutters the legal tools to screw them further doesn't seem wise.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 07:08:14 AM EST
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Do not over concentrate power and that is not an issue. It is OK (or, less bad) to have idiots in power as long as they do not have "nuclear weapons" at their disposal.

And if you concentrate power, at least try to make it from democracy (and even so, quality of democracy could easily become a problem - like the need of private money to run campaigns and such...).

I am starting to be believe that the good state is simply the one that avoids too much power to be concentrated. In the current context that would mean controlling financial elites (both private and public - think ECB).

by cagatacos on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 07:10:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yep. Pretty much.

I'm beginning to think that instead of voting on specific proposals and positions, the best strategy is always to vote for the option that dilutes or troubles existing power blocs.

The problem can be working out what that option is. And it also assumes that you can avoid treachery - which was a notable fail in the last UK election, where a vote for the nominally third-party Lib Dems was actually a vote for the Tories. (Experienced pol-watchers might have seen that one coming. But it really plumbed the depths of many peoples' cynicism - including mine.)

The other problem can be deciding if a vote makes any practical difference. I don't know what the polls say in Ireland, but it's entirely possible that there's no point whatsoever in bothering to vote.

And I don't mean that in a cynical way - I mean that in a very practical and political way, given that the nutters in charge have no interest in practical democracy, and treat it with suspicion unless it gives them the answers they want.

Obviously, voting is not enough and will change little. Other forms of action are necessary to kick out the nutters.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 07:26:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yep. I think that in many countries, in the current context, it is hard to find a good voting option. They are either in bed with finances, crazies, our without a working narrative.

In the UK the LibDems never fooled me, I was warning people of their enthusiasm with them. If I had voting rights I would have voted Green. A lost vote outside Brighton, but what is the alternative? Labour maybe with some candidates in some constituencies...

by cagatacos on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 07:32:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Since the common problem is that the EU and the member states are all controlled by financial interests whose policies are doomed in the medium to short run, having a crash of the financial system may be the best alternative. It would seriously weaken the currently dominate players, but for it to evolve into a solution requires that the electorates put in power governments that will oppose reconstructing the status quo ante at the cost of all others. And that requires elections.

But a system wide financial collapse might break the single minded focus on 'austerity'. If Greece and/or Spain defies the dictates of the ECB and EMU and manages to bring some actual improvement to their people then pressure to follow suit in other countries might become significant.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 09:08:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]
ARGeezer:
It would seriously weaken the currently dominate players, but for it to evolve into a solution requires that the electorates put in power governments that will oppose reconstructing the status quo ante at the cost of all others. And that requires elections.

Won't it also considerably weaken the mass of citizens and what is called civil society (everything's relative)? Isn't it likely to produce an exemplary shock doctrine case in which mafiosi oligarchs businessmen help themselves to what's worth grabbing?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 10:25:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]
That is a danger. It is why the nature of the government in power matters. I wish I could see a better path forward.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 11:41:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Alternative vision :

Eurobonds and fiscal federalism bring transparency and a level playing field. For example, you can't use it to promote German economic interests at the expense of nearly everyone else (hint : this is why the German government doesn't want it).

Have a look at what happens in the European parliament. Parties that get away with all sorts of weird shit in their national parliaments are obliged to adopt balanced, nuanced positions there because they are exposed to Europe-wide scrutiny.

It's frankly hard for me to imagine how an instrument of solidarity, such as eurobonds, could make matters worse, given that the current institutions and instruments are anti-solidarity by design.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 07:54:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]
eurogreen:
Eurobonds and fiscal federalism bring transparency and a level playing field. For example, you can't use it to promote German economic interests at the expense of nearly everyone else (hint : this is why the German government doesn't want it).

excellent point... no wonder she has to trumpet further union so hard, while she's doing her best to undermine it.

sovereignty for us, but none for you, nothing personal, it's a tradition we default to, unrestrained.

we work harder and so we deserve it. lazy buggers the lot of ya.

raus!

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 08:12:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Thanks for reminding us that the European Parliament is the only federal institution that actually works as sold to the public, for the common interest of the European citizens.

It's easy to forget that in the middle of the current morass.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 08:39:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Which is presumably why the Economist hates it these days?

Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu May 31st, 2012 at 06:25:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]
For that you need transparent/trustable organizations.

For now we have only the European Parliament. Which seems to be a bit irrelevant (unfortunately) in this whole affair.

With a democratic, transparent EU that might work. But even so, if such an institutional arrangement were to exist (mostly a fairy tale now - Parliament excepted), it would be possible for a long term attack on it by special interests.

There is actually on example of this at work: the US of A. It is difficult to argue with the way it was founded, but look at its current state of affairs now.

by cagatacos on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 09:00:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]
For now we have only the European Parliament. Which seems to be a bit irrelevant (unfortunately) in this whole affair.

The problem is that the European Parliament holds little initiative, and acts mostly as a control chamber. For instence, it holds "the power of the purse", i.e., the power to withhold approval of the EU's budget, which is hardly a threat to an austerian establishment bent on not spending a penny of public money. The Parliament could withhold funds were they being misused, but it cannot demand a larget cohesion fund outlay, or instruct the European Investment Bank to carry out more projects.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 10:16:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]
And its members are too dependent on national party bureaucracy to fight for more rights to be transferred to the EP. As long as we don't have European parties instead of national ones, the EP will stay weak.
by Katrin on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 10:55:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]
nice counterpoint, cagatacos.

on one level eurobonds seem a terrible idea, more debt, more interest, shallower, wider puddle of muck to wade through for more generations.

but short of a jubilee, it may be a least worst choice, it will simplify matters, by allowing the illusion a longer shelf life, rather than crash now, completely unready.

until/unless we are ready for a jubilee and/or a complete reshuffle of the economic deck.

less confusion, less BS. right now it's way too much of a jungle.

still a half-assed solution though...

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 08:24:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Can we have Eurobonds without fiscal federalism?
by kjr63 on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 08:29:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Or what about ending the ECB? Full euro printing sovereignty to states without ECB? Is that possible?
by kjr63 on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 08:33:08 AM EST
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The ECB has a monopoly on legal tender according to the Lisbon Treaty.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 08:35:59 AM EST
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What would happen if we would have 27 monopolies? Did US states at some point have monetary sovereignty? At least they have feds all over the country..
by kjr63 on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 08:48:02 AM EST
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The thing is, you'd be allowing Greece to issue German legal tender. You said "euro printing sovereignty to all member states".

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 08:59:38 AM EST
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Yes. What is it now? Germany issues everybody else's legal tender.
by kjr63 on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 09:20:14 AM EST
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No, Germany restricts everyone else's legal tender.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 10:14:02 AM EST
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The same thing?
by kjr63 on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 02:38:52 PM EST
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U.S. states are not formally allowed to print their own money. That is one of the points that the Constitution brought in when it replaced the broken system of the 1770s and 80s defined by the Articles of Confederation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articles_of_Confederation

by asdf on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 11:22:02 AM EST
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But state banks which can create credit money and which can fund state activities are legal, as in North Dakota.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 09:09:41 PM EST
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kjr63:
What would happen if we would have 27 monopolies?

Then you would have a risk of competitive printing leading to too much inflation.

Given today's problems that might be a risk worth taking. I don't know of any example of a currency union that has tried this.

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu May 31st, 2012 at 04:53:35 PM EST
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Or wait, in reality was not this was existed prior to the crisis? If a country went over the Maastricht limits it was ignored anyway. And there was no run-away inflation.

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu May 31st, 2012 at 04:58:43 PM EST
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Yanis Varoufakis has suggested the ECB could issue its own bonds. Which is in fact legally true. And they would be truly federal bonds, not jointly or severally guaranteed debt of the states.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 08:37:42 AM EST
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He makes too much sense. Bad... very bad.
by Euroliberal on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 08:57:17 AM EST
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The ECB can already legally issue debt certificates. This is because the Treaties say nothing about it, but by non-legislative act of the ECB itself the ECB has its own internal guidelines [PDF] (known as the General Documentation) which state
3.3. Issuance of ECB debt certificates
3.3.1. Type of instrument
The ECB may issue debt certificates with the aim of adjusting the structural position of the Eurosystem vis-à-vis the financial sector so as to create (or enlarge) a liquidity shortage in the market.

3.3.2. Legal nature
ECB debt certificates constitute a debt obligation of the ECB vis-à-vis the holder of the certificate. They are issued and held in book-entry form in securities depositories in the euro area. The ECB does not impose any restrictions on the transferability of the certificates. Further provisions related to ECB debt certificates will be contained in the terms and conditions for such certificates.

3.3.3. Interest terms
ECB debt certificates are issued at a discount, i.e. they are issued at below the nominal amount and are redeemed at maturity at the nominal amount. The difference between the discounted issue amount and the redemption amount equals the interest accrued on the discounted issue amount, at the agreed interest rate, over the maturity of the certificate. The interest rate applied is a simple interest rate based on the day-count convention `actual/360'. The calculation of the discounted issue amount is shown in Box 1.



guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 10:21:13 AM EST
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Is there any evidence that any have been issued?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 10:31:46 AM EST
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No. The ECB sees the only purpose of debt certificates as draining liquidity from the system. When it has seen the necessity to drain liquidity following its purchases of sovereign debt, it has done so through auctioning 1-week cash deposits (which are a form of debt certificate with a 1-week maturity, if you want to be picky).

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 10:35:41 AM EST
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kjr63:
Can we have Eurobonds without fiscal federalism?

we already pay taxes to pay for eurocracy, and they give grants.

who's going to buy those bonds, the hedge funds, the magic markets?

what guarantee a profit if all the eurozone -sans germany- is careening into an abyss of mismanagement and cronyism?

germany can't export enough merch to pay for the rest of yurp to run at a loss, can it?

why is the only way out offered selling more middle class lifestyles to the BRIC countries, when we know that it will create more climate chaos?

germany is a rogue state, undermining the euro while enjoying the fruits of having profited mightily from it.

other countries have done their share in undermining the project, in their own way, italy for sure through the mob, and fund swindles.

yet most of the people want a union, and not pricipally for economic reasons.

maybe i'm projecting...

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 03:32:52 PM EST
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Every currency zone needs a spender of last resort (or you get the Euro mess). That spending is inheritly political, so if the spending is decided on a federal level we need a political federal process to decide how it is done. That may - but does not have to - include federal taxes.

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu May 31st, 2012 at 05:02:48 PM EST
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The Economist has a wide-ranging article about the Euro crisis: An ever-deeper democratic deficit (May 26th 2012)
The level of further integration necessary to deal with the euro crisis will be hard to square with the increasing cantankerousness of Europe's voters


guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 10:24:04 AM EST
FT Alphaville » Markets Live transcript 30 May 2012
coming up next - the `Spexit'.

What's that? It's shorthand for Spain quitting the euro - and we're going to hear a lot of it over what promises to be a turbulent summer.

The Spanish are a lot more likely to pull out of the euro than the Greeks, or indeed any of the peripheral countries. They are too big to rescue, they have no political hang-ups about rupturing their relations with the European Union, they are already fed up with austerity, and there is a bigger Spanish-speaking world for them to grow into. There are few good reasons for the country to stay in the euro - and little sign it is has the will to endure the sacrifices the currency will demand of them. This week's note from Strategy Economics explains why Spain may be the first country out of the single currency.



It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 11:32:49 AM EST
Eurozone crisis live: EC calls for more effort from Spain and France | Business | guardian.co.uk

Two new opinion polls have been published in Greece today, ahead of the crucial June 17 elections.

I've only got the information off the newswires, alas, but here goes...

One poll, by Pulse, put New Democracy and Syriza neck-and-neck on 24.5%.

The other, by VPRC, put Syriza ahead on 30% followed by New Democracy with 26.5%.



It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 11:38:19 AM EST
And the raw poll numbers are calibrated by which means? And the statistic uncertainty is?

This is getting really nowhere. We should acknowledge that predictions have their limits.

by oliver on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 01:13:40 PM EST
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with Professor Costas Lapavitsas, Professor Costas Douzinas and the journalist Aris Chatzistefanou

Greek crisis: live Q&A from 3pm | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

Europe is witnessing an unprecedented attack on Greek democracy which comes close to what could be called a 'postmodern coup d'etat'. It is not about tanks in the streets (although even this is mentioned from time to time). It is about secrets and rumours, public statements and private murmurings, empty supermarket selves, scenaria of a coming armaggedon and further destruction of a proud people if they vote for the left and lead to Greece being ejected from the euro.
It is about scaring the people and stopping them from voting against austerity, in other words, it is an attack both on democracy and the idea of Europe. The European and Greek political and economic establishment, with support from mainstream media, led by Baroso, Laguard, Merkel, Shauble et al have launched a campaign of threats, blackmail and the most absurd politics of fear.


It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 11:59:16 AM EST
I have no hope.

During interventions, the question raised by Dani Rodrik (the trilemma) has been touched. Maybe I can finish a Diary about it.

Today, my hopes of reaching a proper EU are almost nonexistent.

Ni siquiera es posible plantear el trilema, creo yo.

by PerCLupi on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 02:21:09 PM EST
It is not even possible to propose the trilemma, I think.
by PerCLupi on Wed May 30th, 2012 at 02:21:56 PM EST
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‏@VivianeRedingEU
Europe is at a crossroads, many question the fate of the ‪#euro‬.Monetary union is as good as set in stone. It is forever http://bit.ly/KMxPMA


guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 31st, 2012 at 09:48:32 AM EST
Ozymandias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I met a traveller from an antique land
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Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
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And on the pedestal these words appear:
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Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
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The lone and level sands stretch far away.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu May 31st, 2012 at 12:14:50 PM EST
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