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by ceebs Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 04:07:09 PM EST

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Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:12:07 PM EST
BBC News - Euro 2012: Football fans in Warsaw clash

Clashes have broken out between rival Russian and Polish football fans in the Polish capital Warsaw ahead of a Euro 2012 tie between the two teams.

A march by thousands of Russian fans to mark their national day had to be halted and some missiles were thrown.

Police say 56 arrests were made and that seven people were injured in the violence.

Tensions are running high, given the centuries of rivalry between the two countries.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:23:50 PM EST
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What does centuries of national rivalry have to do with football violence? Drunks looking for an excuse to fight if you ask me.
by asdf on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 06:31:34 PM EST
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"Centuries of rivalry" is yet more cliché-reporting from the Beeb, true, but nationalism does have something to do with it. And football "hooligan" violence is organized and deliberate, not just "drunks looking for an excuse".
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 01:19:01 AM EST
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There was a British hooligan documentary series, something like "The Real Football Factories," or something, where this tough-talking actor dude went around the world and met up with ultras in various different countries.  Absolutely fascinating, and horrifying at the same time.  I was teaching a geography class at the time for soon-to-graduate high school seniors, and showed the episode for Brazil, which we were focusing on for the last few weeks.

It's definitely organized and planned, in rather incomprehensible way.

In Egypt, the football ultras also ended up forming the militant core of the anti-Mubarak movement, turning into leaders whenever street-fighting broke out and organizing the other protestors into a force that could withstand police and militia violence.  They were already organized into a fighting unit, and were veterans of both street brawls and fights with the police.

by Zwackus on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 05:58:48 AM EST
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In Sweden football violence is now seperated from the games as the "firms" (violent groups) meet up away from the stadium and the police in order to fight each other.

But isn't violence what team sports is about anyway? Our group will show our physical superiority to the opponents within a regulated framework instead of a brawl? So the violent supporter groups just strip away the outer layers and get back to basics.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 08:57:17 AM EST
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As shocking as it was, I can't say that I really have all that much of a problem with it.  People will be people.
by Zwackus on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 09:43:10 AM EST
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BBC News - Government defends gay marriage law change plans

Downing Street has defended plans to change the status of civil ceremonies to allow gay and lesbian couples in England and Wales to get married.

It said it was confident safeguards to stop religious organisations being forced to take part in services would not be overturned by European courts.

The Church of England has said the move would "alter the intrinsic nature of marriage as the union of a man and a woman".

Ministers plan to pass the law by 2015.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:24:37 PM EST
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I think the CofE are trying to copy the arguments of the US religious right, but when taken away from the context of American politics, the arguments look stupid and the CofE look embarrassingly petulant for repeating them.

They don't actually sound like they really believe what they're saying, they're just hoping that if they huff and puff enough, people will get frightenend and back off.

They will probably be disappointed

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 02:55:59 AM EST
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There are so many responses to this that I'm just gonna take a few

Independent - Christina Patterson - This gentle muddle of Church and State may be as good as it gets

It almost makes you laugh. It almost makes you slap your thigh, and shriek, and weep that an institution that was founded to wreck a marriage, and start another one, is making such a very big fuss about who's allowed to marry whom. But it is. The Church of England is. The Church of England thinks, in fact, that a marriage that has lasted 500 years, and that survived the Spanish Armada, and the English Civil War, is seriously under threat

Independent - Editorial - Nothing but hyperbole on same-sex marriage

Definitions of marriage have shifted subtly in different societies and times. Those changed emphases - married women given the right to own property, say, or laws passed to protect them from rape - also provoked protests about the undermining of the institution. The Church of England accommodated them. It even permits vicars, if they wish to, to remarry divorced people - a change which, it could be argued, is a more obvious erosion of the principle of lifelong commitment.

Independent - Letters - Andrew Copson, President British Humanist Association

About 70 per cent of marriages in the UK are civil marriages. Whether or not same-sex marriage is introduced, perhaps the Church of England should consider disestablishing anyway. It's clearly not as relevant to most people's relationships as it would like the country to believe.

Let's not get into King Solomon's 700 wives, disproving the biblical basis of one man one woman

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 09:32:46 AM EST
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King Solomon wasn't a Christian. Judaism allows one man-more than one woman, but today you need to get approval from 100 rabbis in at least 3 different countries, which was quite difficult in those pre-internet days. I'm waiting for when the ultra-Orthodox will reintroduce the practice.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 09:41:12 AM EST
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Neither was Jesus a Christian, but they won't shut up about him either.

And they do like them some Leviticus when they want to get their gay-hate on

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 10:05:42 AM EST
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But not when it comes to wearing clothes of two materials, debt jubilees and the like.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 10:10:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Funny how that works.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 10:22:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]
King Solomon wasn't a Christian. Judaism allows one man-more than one woman, but today you need to get approval from 100 rabbis in at least 3 different countries, which was quite difficult in those pre-internet days. I'm waiting for when the ultra-Orthodox will reintroduce the practice.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 09:44:55 AM EST
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Russia protests: tens of thousands voice opposition to Putin's government | World news | The Guardian

Tens of thousands of people took to the streets in Russiaon Tuesday in the first major demonstrations against the government since Vladamir Putin was sworn in as president on 7 May.

Despite thunderstorms and the absence of key opposition figures, the "March of Millions" went ahead in the capital - a day after searches conducted by armed police in the homes of opposition activists and their families. Leading activists, including blogger Aleksei Navalny, socialite Ksenia Sobchak, and liberal organiser Ilya Yashin, were prevented from attending because they had been summoned for questioning by Russia's Investigative Committee in connection with the violence at the last rally on 6 May.

But Yashin, speaking to the Guardian after he was released on Tuesday evening, indicated that the move may have succeeded only in raising the profile of the rally. "The investigators did all they could to increase the amount of people that came today," he said.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:29:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Russians march against Vladimir Putin in Moscow - in pictures | World news | guardian.co.uk
Thousands of Russians participated in an anti-government demonstration demanding fresh elections and a new president, a day after police raided the homes of several prominent activists


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:32:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The old head of the KGB (Putin, right?) is back to running/ruining the country. What could go wrong?

I have a t-shirt with that on it. And whatever you do, DON'T BLINK!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 06:16:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]
François Hollande's partner takes Twitter swipe at his ex | World news | The Guardian

François Hollande's partner, Valérie Trierweiler, has sparked a political storm and embarrassed the Socialist party by tweeting her support for a dissident candidate standing against Hollande's ex-partner, Ségolène Royal, in the parliamentary elections.

The saga threatens to damage Hollande, who has been careful to style himself as a down-to-earth "president normal" but now faces charges from the right that animosity between his present and past girlfriends has turned his leadership of France into a celebrity soap opera worthy of the worst excesses of Nicolas Sarkozy's highly public love life.

Trierweiler's unexpected tweet comes at a critical time for the Socialists. Royal, who is the mother of Hollande's four children and was his long-term partner before he moved in with Trierweiler in 2007, is facing a difficult fight for a parliamentary seat in La Rochelle.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:29:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Glad to see it's not only the US that suffers from FOX-like bullshit.

I have a t-shirt with that on it. And whatever you do, DON'T BLINK!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 06:18:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
That this incident has reached the "state-level scandal" status in the French media highlights once again the MSM focus on fluff and anecdotal over substance: treating politics like celebs reporting, maybe in a desperate bid to recover lost audience (and revenues).

In the English language press (FT, Grauniad, ...), you'll note the ubiquitous "president normal" moniker as if his displayed normalcy, as opposed to the bling-bling-ness of his predecessor I suppose, was the only defining characteristic of Hollande; I suppose this is better than "dangerous tax-and-spend Socialist".

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 04:43:00 AM EST
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Greek crisis: precarious funding pushes health and social services to extremes | World news | The Guardian

As the volunteers unpack their shopping bags of rice, milk and cooking oil, Goman Badder retreats to the room he lives in with his wife and their one-year-old son. For the 28-year-old Syrian Kurd, the deliveries are a mixed blessing: he is relieved that his family will not go hungry, but humiliated that it has come to this. He had hoped for better things for his son, asleep on the neatly made bed.

"When I left Syria, I felt I didn't want him to be like me," he says. "But I never thought for him it would be like this: people bringing him Pampers and milk. If I'd known it would be like this I would never have brought him to this world."

His friend Salah Muhamed, a Kurdish teacher who fled the "hell" of Syria six months ago, did not mince his words. "In Syria, we will be killed by guns," he says. "Here, we will be killed by the economy."



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:31:07 PM EST
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If I'd known it would be like this I would never have brought him to this world.

Hear Hear!!

When I tell people I had a vasectomy back in the mid-'70s while my wife was still on the pill, to ensure no accidental pregnancies, and they ask me why I dislike children, my reply is, "I care about kids so much that I made sure I didn't bring any into this crapped out world".

I get strange looks.

I have a t-shirt with that on it. And whatever you do, DON'T BLINK!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 06:23:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The Guardian: Golden Dawn threatens hospital raids against immigrants in Greece (12 June 2012)
Earning loud applause at an election campaign rally in Athens, Golden Dawn MP Ilias Panagiotaros said: "If Chrysi Avgi [Golden Dawn] gets into parliament [as polls predict], it will carry out raids on hospitals and kindergartens and it will throw immigrants and their children out on the street so that Greeks can take their place."

Medical supplies and beds at some hospitals are running desperately short. The governor of the state-run Nikea hospital, Theodoros Roupas, called on doctors to stop non-essential surgical interventions because of a critical shortage of gloves, syringes and gauze. The order was revoked when Roupas found emergency supplies later in the day.

"The situation is really critical and getting worse every day," said Dr Panaghiotis Papanikolaou, a neurosurgeon at the hospital. "There is not enough medical staff to cope and huge shortages of supplies. There's no money to even service scanners and surgical microscopes ... we're talking about a major healthcare crisis - not in the making, it is happening now."



If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 04:33:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]
...and Salafists in Tunisia: Curfews in Tunisia after overnight riots.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 04:54:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Is this typical of a siege situation? Back in the bad-old-days when one castle was pissed off at another so you hold siege to the other guy, shut off his food/water supplies till they surrender or die? Does that sum up Greece's plight?

I have a t-shirt with that on it. And whatever you do, DON'T BLINK!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 06:26:41 PM EST
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No, it's just a bunch of right wing inadequates who think that all they have to do to make the economy recover and win back respect in the world is to get rid of immigrants (and probably invade Turkey but that's for later)

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 03:00:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]
we're talking about a major healthcare crisis - not in the making, it is happening now.

Just in time to strike home before voters go to the polls. Perhaps next there will be a fire at a fuel storage depot or refinery.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 07:24:35 PM EST
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Don't know if this is a sign of things to come, and the police are reacting to political developments, but for the first time I can remember, at least recently, there are 6 people being held in custody overnight for the brutal and outrageous attack against Egyptian fishermen at the socially devastated Perama area, in their own homes. Fascist thugs in prison is good news, and one hopes it will become less rare...

On the other side (the Dark Side) Antonis Samaras rolled out his Law and Order agenda, which attempts to outflank Golden Dawn from the right. ND is by any reasonable definition a far right party now.

And there was yet another high visibility suicide today, but we've stopped counting by now...

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake

by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 08:11:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Here's one thing that I don't get.  

There was an arrest warrant out for Ilias Kasidiaris, but it expired?  What the hell? Not only this, the man has the gall to show up in court to sue the two women he assaulted?

And you have one of the directors of ND campaign in Northern Greece actively recruiting Golden Dawn members?

What the hell?

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 09:06:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 01:29:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]
What the hellEurope?

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 05:10:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]
BBC News - BSkyB bid row: Lib Dems to abstain in Commons vote on Jeremy Hunt

Lib Dem MPs are to abstain in a Commons vote on Wednesday calling for an investigation into whether Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt has broken the ministerial code of conduct.

Labour want his handling of News Corp's BSkyB bid referred to David Cameron's adviser on ministerial interests.

The BBC's Nick Robinson said Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg had told a meeting of his MPs and peers not to "support the Tories on this one" and "to stay away".

Mr Cameron has fully backed Mr Hunt.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 07:30:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
That'll show them.

Actually it's interesting just how craven Cameron has been in his support of Hunt. But without a LibDem decision to nuke the coalition, there's no real pressure anyone can apply  to get Hunt out.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 01:54:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Makes you wonder if Hunt has a little stack of private memos somewhere that Leveson might be intersted to see should Cameron sack him.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 03:04:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Eurointelligence Daily Briefing: Spain en route to a full ESM programme
Spanish 10-year yields rise to over 6.8%, as the country is nearing a full ESM programme; German yields were also rising sharply; Spanish and Italian yields are approaching a level at which the two countries will no longer be able to refinance themselves; in the midst of the fire in the bond markets, European policymakers offered their usual cacophony; Merkel reiterates her opposition to eurobonds; France is not keen on a political union; Britain's chancellor George Osborne ruminates whether Germany needs to see a Greek exit as a wake-up call to act; El Pais says markets have lost confidence in Europe's political leadership; the FTD reports that the EU is willing, after all, to renegotiate the Greek programme; a troika report is expected to conclude that Greece failed to meet the conditionality; IMF is likely to withdraw from the Greek programme in the case of a renegotiation; Francois Hollande will today meet the leadership of the SPD to work out a strategy for the change of the fiscal pact; the German chancellor's office is nervous about the meeting, and has asked Hollande not to stage a joint press conference; the European Commission says a financial transactions tax might be agreed using the procedure of enhanced cooperation; Deutsche Bank's Anshu Jain says he supports Angela Merkel's policy; the Bundesbank rejects the ECB's proposals for a banking union; Martin Wolf, meanwhile, says the minimum necessary infrastructure for a monetary union is an insurance union and an adjustment union.


If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 04:43:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Eurointelligence:
Merkel reiterates her opposition to eurobonds
I caught a glimpse of the front page of the FT on a table this morning and found the following hair-raising quote about/from Merkel:
Angela Merkel, German chancellor, spoke out in support of European banking regulation, although she stopped short of backing a region-wide resolution scheme, which Berlin fears could burden the country with joint liability for other's debts.

"Germany - and I can say this for the whole country - is prepared to do more on integration but we cannot get involved in things which I am convinced will lead to an even bigger disaster than the situation we are in today," she said.

(Fears rise over EU handling of debt crisis)

If the German economic policy establishment believes that "a region-wide bank resolution scheme" is "something that will lead to an even bigger disaster" then there truly is no hope.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 09:22:46 AM EST
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EurActiv: EU mulls blocking cash machines, borders in case of `Grexit'


European finance officials have discussed limiting the size of withdrawals from cash machines, imposing border checks and introducing eurozone capital controls as a worst-case scenario should Athens decide to leave the euro.

[...]

The discussions have taken place in conference calls over the past six weeks, as concerns have grown that a radical-left coalition, Syriza, may win the second election, increasing the risk that Greece could renege on its EU/IMF bailout and therefore move closer to abandoning the currency.

[...]

Switzerland said last month it was considering introducing capital controls if the euro falls apart.



Vencit omnia veritas.
by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]a[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]gmail[dot]com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 05:30:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Karl Whelan blog: A History Lesson for Professor Sinn
Sinn argues that Germany has done enough:
Should the euro fail, Germany would lose over $1.35 trillion, more than 40 percent of its G.D.P. Has the United States ever incurred a similar risk for helping other countries?
Most of this $1.35 trillion potential loss figure comes from the possible loss of the Bundesbank's Target2 credit, something which I have argued can be dealt without any new taxes on German citizens.

But, forgetting that for a moment, it appears that Sinn views "Has the United States ever incurred a similar risk for helping other countries?" as a rhetorical question to which the answer is "No".  In fact, I suspect the vast majority of US citizens are perfectly aware that the answer is "Yes".

One example that the good professor has probably heard of: World War 2. Once the United States entered World War 2, defense spending rose from 1.64% of GDP in 1940 to 37.19% in 1945.  The US debt ratio went from below 40% of GDP in 1941 to over 120% of GDP in 1946. And this doesn't put a price on the tragedy of 400,000 deaths of US troops.



If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 05:51:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]
So wait - if Germany stands to lose so much if the Euro fails, why have they been actively - if unofficially - (leaks etc.) trying to sabotage it?
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 06:50:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Moral superiority complex.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 09:12:21 AM EST
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worship of money is the new patriotism.

the hard core prusso-economic elite don't give a toss about the german people.

...and that will be their downfall.

"It's very hard to see what is kept invisible" Roseanne Barr

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 07:12:02 PM EST
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Of course, anybody who believes that the US entry into the latest world war was in any great measure about "helping others" has rocks and gravel in his head.

At the most generous, it comes in about fourth or fifth down the list of motives.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 10:54:17 AM EST
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 ECONOMY & FINANCE 


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:16:45 PM EST
BBC News - Spain borrowing costs hit euro-era record high

Spain's borrowing costs have risen to the highest rate since the launch of the euro in 1999.

The benchmark 10-year bond yield hit 6.81%, as optimism about the weekend's Spanish bank bailout continued to evaporate.

Italy's 10-year bond yield rose to 6.28%, a rate not seen since January, as concerns about its finances rose.

The interest rates are seen as unsustainable in the long run for two countries weighed down by huge debts.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:25:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Twitter / afneil: Italy's debt already 120%
Italy's debt already 120% GDP. Yet it's liable for about €18bn of Spanish bailout. It will have to borrow at over 5% and lend to Spain at 3!


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 07:00:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Germany might have to sacrifice Greece to save euro, George Osborne suggests | Business | The Guardian

George Osborne has floated the possibility that Greece might need to be sacrificed to save the euro after a fresh day of jitters on the world's financial markets saw Spain's long-term borrowing costs hit their highest level since the launch of the single currency.

In a highly unusual step, the chancellor suggested that Greece may have to leave the eurozone so Germany could convince voters that it was worth pouring more money into the troubled currency. Speaking at a summit of chief executives organised by the Times newspaper, Osborne said: "I ultimately don't know whether Greece needs to leave the euro in order for the eurozone to do the things necessary to make their currency survive.

"I just don't know whether the German government requires Greek exit to explain to their public why they need to do certain things like a banking union, eurobonds and things in common with that.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:28:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I look forward to the US "sacrificing" California so we're not held back by the rest of the yahoos on this continent. Mississippi, Alabama, Utah, Tennessee, etc. ... who needs these idiots?

I have a t-shirt with that on it. And whatever you do, DON'T BLINK!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 06:30:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]
See: El País, May 25, 2012, José Ignacio Torreblanca "El síndrome de Alabama" = "Alabama's syndrome."

Massachusetts / Alabama  = Germany / Greece

He ends: The European Union is not the Unites States, Germany is not Massachusetts, and Greece is not Alabama. We lose it.

He begins: Have you ever heard someone in the U.S. ask the poor southern states leave the Union because they pose an intolerable burden?

by PerCLupi on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 07:35:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Have you ever heard someone in the U.S. ask the poor southern states leave the Union because they pose an intolerable burden?

Uh.... have you spent much time on Daily Kos?

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 11:21:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Because a reactionary rump state on the same continent would really do wonders for the US' strategic position...

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 01:30:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I, no. Perhaps the author (Torreblanca), yes.
by PerCLupi on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 02:17:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]
If the Southern states left the Union, where would our soldiers come from?
by asdf on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 06:26:48 PM EST
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What do you need soldiers for if you can have mercenaries?
by Katrin on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 06:31:03 PM EST
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Mercenaries are expensive. I know several people who have taken six month IT jobs in Iraq and paid off their houses with the proceeds. Soldiers are cheap and expendable.
by asdf on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 06:41:43 PM EST
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same in italy... i heard of cooks going to afghanistan to make E6,000 a month.

italy spends a million euros a day to have its pasta-fed presence there...

no-one mentions that as a possibility for austerity!

"It's very hard to see what is kept invisible" Roseanne Barr

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 07:19:05 PM EST
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The "austerity is good" rule doesn't apply to the military.

  • Just like the "single payer health doesn't work" rule doesn't apply.
  • And the "centralized, hierarchical management doesn't work" rule doesn't apply.
  • And the "race and gender mixing doesn't work" rule doesn't apply.
  • And the "handguns should be allowed everywhere" rule doesn't apply.
  • And the "you have to keep working until you're 70 until you get your retirement pension" rule doesn't apply.

Many of the rules that conservatives want to apply to society in general don't apply to the military.
by asdf on Thu Jun 14th, 2012 at 12:26:22 AM EST
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can you imagine a million euros worth of pizzas and gelato doled out daily to those dehydrated afghans?

the taliban would melt their guns and start playing mandolins.

:)

"It's very hard to see what is kept invisible" Roseanne Barr

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Jun 14th, 2012 at 08:34:57 PM EST
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At $1T for the Iraq war, we could have given every man, woman, and child in the country $33,333 cash. (Population around 30M.) They would have welcomed us with open arms.
by asdf on Fri Jun 15th, 2012 at 09:06:07 AM EST
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Depends on the nationality of the mercenary. Iraqis are much cheaper. The main "advantage" is that nobody asks awkward questions in parliament, though.
by Katrin on Thu Jun 14th, 2012 at 02:30:40 AM EST
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ceebs:

"I ultimately don't know whether Greece needs to leave the euro in order for the eurozone to do the things necessary to make their currency survive.

"I just don't know whether the German government requires Greek exit to explain to their public why they need to do certain things like a banking union, eurobonds and things in common with that.

if you don't know, STFPiehole.

weasel words, petrol to the instability flames, thanks george, with friends like that...

saying what you don't know, to avoid saying what you do?

beyond creepy.

"It's very hard to see what is kept invisible" Roseanne Barr

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 08:18:22 PM EST
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Extraordinary thing for him to say. I can't help but think it's merely mischief making as he must surely be aware that Greece is a mere pimple of a problem compared to that of spain. If it was only Greece then frankly the Euro wouldn't be in any problem at all.

And George must know this. So, as he is prone to malice and spite, why is he saying it ? Whos he getting at ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 03:09:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]
 WORLD 


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:17:08 PM EST
Syria: Russia accused of sending attack helicopters | World news | The Guardian

The crisis in Syria has deepened as the US revealed publicly that Russia was sending attack helicopters that could be used by President Bashar al-Assad to help crush the rebellion against his regime.

On the day that a senior UN official declared that Syria is in a state of civil war, Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, warned in Washington that the Russian aircraft would "escalate the conflict quite dramatically." The US and other western countries have been trying desperately to get Moscow to put pressure on Assad as violence has surged recently.

Fears of a further sharp deterioration were fuelled by the statement from Herve Ladsous, head of the UN's Department of Peacekeeping Operationsa senior UN official that Syria was effectively already in a state of civil war after 15 months of violence and an estimated 15,000 dead.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:27:08 PM EST
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UN official says Syria in state of civil war - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

The head of the United Nations' peacekeeping operations has said that the situation in Syria now amounts to a full-scale civil war as witnesses on the ground described fresh shelling on Homs and heavy fighting in other cities.

"Yes, I think we can say that," Herve Ladsous, the head of the UN's Department of Peacekeeping Operations, told reporters in New York on Tuesday, when asked whether he believed Syria was now in a state of civil war.

"Clearly what is happening is that the government of Syria lost some large chunks of territory, several cities to the opposition, and wants to retake control."



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:35:20 PM EST
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Well finally!! What gave you the clue ... idiot?!

I have a t-shirt with that on it. And whatever you do, DON'T BLINK!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 06:31:37 PM EST
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Yes, but you could have similar headlines saying the same things US behaviour in Iraq, Afghanistan, Columbia, Nicaragua, Vietnam etc etc

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 03:12:13 AM EST
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Seem to recall that we (US) moved immediately to resupply Israel with arms as it was engaged in Operation Cast Leg.
by Marie2 on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 06:37:56 PM EST
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Outrageous because it makes all the weapons the US, Saudi Arabia, etc. is smuggling to the insurgents to overthrow a US targeted regime more vulnerable.
by Marie2 on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 06:41:03 PM EST
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WikiLeaks reveals US concerns over Televisa-Peña Nieto links in 2009 | World news | guardian.co.uk

US diplomats raised concerns that the frontrunner in Mexico's presidential election, Enrique Peña Nieto, was paying for favourable TV coverage as far back as 2009, according to state department cables released by WikiLeaks.

Allegations that coverage by the country's main television network was biased in favour of Peña Nieto have triggered a wave of student demonstrations in the runup to the election on 1 July. The claims are supported by documents seen by the Guardian, which also implicate other politicians in buying news and entertainment coverage.

One cable, written shortly after US embassy officials were taken on a tour of Mexico State when Peña Nieto was governor, says: "It is widely accepted, for example, that the television monopoly Televisa backs the governor and provides him with an extraordinary amount of airtime and other kinds of coverage." The document, which dates from September 2009, was titled: "A look at Mexico State, Potemkin village style"



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:31:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Falkland Islands plans referendum on status - Americas - Al Jazeera English

The government of the Falkland Islands has announced plans for a referendum next year on the political future of British-owned South Atlantic archipelago claimed by Argentina.

Speaking on Tuesday, Gavin Short, the chairman of the islands' legislature, said he hoped the referendum would "convey a strong message to the outside world,'' about Falklanders' desire to retain ties to London.

The announcement comes shortly before the 30th anniversary of the end of the brief 1982 war when British forces reclaimed the islands following an Argentine invasion.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:34:58 PM EST
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A good and sensible move.

It should really piss off Cristina Fernández de Kirchner. Especially as she's, yet again, trying to divert Argentinian domestic attention from their failing economy by making noises about the Falklands at the UN.

The principle of self-determination is a key part of the United Nations charter. So if the Falklands votes to be British, the UN have to prioritise that over and above the Imperial machinations of tin pot potentates like Kirchner

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 03:21:37 AM EST
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No "Imperial machinations" on the British side, oh no, not that, never.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 03:42:24 AM EST
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Over the Falklands ??!! Are you kidding ?

We spent 30 years trying to give it away to Argentina. Then the fascist junta came in and we suspected it wouldn't be a good idea and so stalled hoping they'd go away. Then argentina invaded and changed the dynamic.

And Argentina have been threatening the falklands ever since.

As I keep saying; if Argentina wants the Falklands, it will have to convince the people of the Falklands it is a good neighbour with their interests at heart. They are indigenous occupants and the UN will always put their interests first. But that takes work, developing ties and trade over time, none of which suits Argentinian domestic priorities.

Argentina continues to behave as if the Falklands were simply real estate with a recently arrived colonising force who can be threatened, pissed off and, when they invade again, evicted without consequence.

Not. Gonna. Happen.

So everytime Argentina has a domestic crisis they go back to the well of "let's start a rumpus over the Falklands". It's pathetic and self-defeating.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 06:31:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, there is considerable British interest in fossil fuels offshore that the Falklands gives them a claim to...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 06:58:24 AM EST
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BP would probably be involved anyway in some capacity, there aren't too many players in the game of developing oilfields. And Argentina have pissed off Repsol so they won't be inteerested.

I don't think sovereignty matters to corporates beyond being a matter of a different tax regime to evade.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 07:35:39 AM EST
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Oh, right, it doesn't matter to Britain if the resources are under British sovereignty or not?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 07:42:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Not given how much it costs to defend the Falklands from the Argies

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 08:01:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]
In that case it's time for Britain to try to "give it away" again.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 08:09:09 AM EST
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We already have given them away, to the Faklanders. However, they remain a protectorate mostly because of the threat of a large nation which remains determined to annex the islands, legally or otherwise, and remove economy self-determination from the population.

wiki again

In 1985 the Falkland Islands Dependencies, comprising at that time the island groups of South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands, and Shag Rocks and Clerke Rocks, became a distinct British overseas territory -- South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands.

Under the 1985 constitution the Falkland Islands Government (FIG) became a parliamentary representative democratic dependency, with the governor as head of government and representative of the Queen. Members of the FIG are democratically elected, the Governor is effectively a figurehead. Theoretically the Governor has the power under the 1985 constitution to exercise executive authority, in practice he is obliged to consult the Executive Council in the exercise of his functions. The main responsibilities of the Governor are external affairs and public services.[37] Effectively under this constitution, the Falkland Islands are self-governing with the exception of foreign policy, although the FIG represents itself at the United Nations Special Committee on Decolonisation as the British Government no longer attends.

I think you retain an unalloyed youthful disdain for the British Empire which prevents you from seeing that, at least on this occasion, the British have acted honourably and are helping the Falklanders defend themselves from a vindictive neighbour.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 08:20:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]
the profitable business of government contracts (millions of dollar$) and tax incomes from oil field developments. I'm with Metatone: the British government has a clear financial interest in preserving British sovereignty.

In addition, what I hear, BP is not too hot on interesting in investing, it still has too many stakes in Argentina.

by Nomad on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 08:18:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Maybe, maybe not. But in terms of trying to persuade the Falklanders (the only jury which matters to the UN) of the justice of their case, the Argentinians are their own worst enemy.

this will not be decided by the General Assembly with the polticial horse-trading which  so disfigure international affiars. It is decided by the UN's Committee on Decolonization, a body which prioritizes the wishes of the residents of a disputed territory over and above those of combative colonial powers.

Right now, that view will be officinally tested next year in a referendum which I am confident will yield a result not to Kirchners liking.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 08:33:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Helen:
We spent 30 years trying to give it away to Argentina.

I'd be interested in seeing that substantiated.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 07:40:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Wiki am your fiend

Following World War II, the British Empire declined and colonies in Asia, Africa and the Caribbean gained their independence. Argentina saw this as an opportunity to push its case for gaining sovereignty over the Falkland Islands and raised the issue in the United Nations, first stating its claim after joining the UN in 1945. Following the Argentine claim, the United Kingdom offered to take the dispute over the Falkland Island Dependencies to mediation at the International Court of Justice in The Hague (1947,[24] 1948[25] and 1955[26]); on each occasion Argentina declined.

In 1964, the United Nations passed a resolution calling on the UK and Argentina to proceed with negotiations on finding a peaceful solution to the sovereignty question which would be "bearing in mind the provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations and of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas)."[27]

A series of talks between the two nations took place over the next 17 years until 1981 but failed to reach a conclusion on sovereignty

and

Although the sovereignty discussions had some success in establishing economic and transport links between the Falklands and Argentina, there was no progress on the question of sovereignty of the Islands.

Whilst maintaining the British claim for sovereignty, the British Government considered transfer of sovereignty worthy of improved relations with Argentina. However, the British Government had limited room for manoeuvre owing to the strength of the Falkland Islands lobby in the Houses of Parliament. Any measure that the Foreign Office suggested on the sovereignty issue was loudly condemned by the Islanders, who re-iterated their determination to remain British. This led to the British Government maintaining a position that the right to self-determination of the Islanders was paramount. In return, Argentina did not recognise the rights of the Islanders and so negotiations on the sovereignty issue effectively remained at a stalemate.[33]

ie, trying to give it away but the islanders wouldn't let them. Probably due to massive distrust of a large neighbouring nation which continues to behave like a schoolyard bully.

If Argentina behaved well, made themselves a favoured part of the fabric of the Falklands economy, it could all be different. But not while they behave like this.

Just cos the British have a long track record of being shitty, doesn't mean they're always in the wrong.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 08:10:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]
"Trying to give it away" is all the same your (strained) interpretation.

As for the islanders, there are examples of fading imperial powers like Britain and France repatriating their colonial settler populations, often at some expense (the French in North Africa for example), rather than face the expense of maintaining them -- and whether those populations like it or not.

But there are also examples of holding on to far-flung island bases. I find it just a little odd that in this edifying tale of British altruism, there has always been something to get in the way of the "gift":

  1. the islanders were agin it
  2. the "Argies" were fascist dictators
  3. Kirchner is a tinpot potentate

Meanwhile, what Britain has actually done is go to war with Argentina over it. Which doesn't incline me to think British intentions have been sweetness and light all along.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 08:33:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes, that's right, we started the Falklands war. the fact that they invaded had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Beware that dog, if you kick it, it will attack you.

If that's the level of your contempt for the free choices of the Falklanders then there's really nothing to say.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 08:42:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You're getting down to Fawlty Towers "you started it" level. I said "went to war".

As for the free choices of the Falklanders it seems to me that both you and the British govt are (and have been) making a great play of them. As you pretend, their wishes are the only thing that matters. It's kind of unalloyedly youthful of you to believe that British policy is predicated on that and that alone.

Or that the UN is only concerned with that aspect:

Helen:

the Falklanders (the only jury which matters to the UN)

But:

Helen:

In 1964, the United Nations passed a resolution calling on the UK and Argentina to proceed with negotiations on finding a peaceful solution to the sovereignty question which would be "bearing in mind the provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations and of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas)."

The long-standing sovereignty dispute evidently matters to the UN. As do the "interests" of the population, which is not a "jury".

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 09:08:47 AM EST
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I don't think I am naive enough to believe that the UK govts behaviour is pure as driven snow.

I've heard arguments that the UK's claims to a slice of the Antartarctic are enabled to some extent by "possession" of the Falkland/S Georgia.

Equally, I think there is a desire to ensure that, after '82, there will be a pretty high bar of honest intention to clear before Argentinia stands a chance of getting its hands on the Islands.

The oil may help, but given that the reserves are still not proven and may indeed be marginal, I've never seen it as a significant factor. It certainly was no factor in '82. I think it matters more to Argentina.

Nevertheless, all other considerations aside, I think the govt are driven by the wishes of the islanders. Of course it helps that they are solidly on the British side, but I also think that if sentiment changes, the govt will accept that new reality. Or at least I believe it would.

That said, there is no chance that sentiment will change because Argentina continues to behave in such a short-sighted and self-defeating manner. I have repeatedly said here that if Argentina were to develop trade links, help the Falklands develop markets there and also sell their stuff back, make the Falklands economy dependent upon and a natural part of the Argentinian economy, then maybe at a future date when all the distrust has died away, then you can re-visit sovereignty.

But while Argentina keeps fanning the flames every few years it's never gonna go away. And the vote next year, which wouldn't have happened unless Kirchner hadn't thrown her oar in, will really bugger things up for any claims that Argentina might have.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 09:54:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Helen:

That said, there is no chance that sentiment will change because Argentina continues to behave in such a short-sighted and self-defeating manner.

Having an enemy might be more important then the islands themselves. Something I would say was true for both governments in the Falklands war.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 12:25:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Question: Should Russia cede Vladivostok (and the rest of the Manchurian coastal corridor) to China? Why or why not?

On the face of it, the two seem similar: Imperial power secures strategic warm-water port on the other side of the world through naked colonial aggression and settles it with its own citizens, about a century ago.

What's the half-life of legitimacy for irredentist claims on such a territory?

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 08:56:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]
That's a fair question -- and I'm not interested in arguing in favour of Argentina's claim or actions. The above argument concerns the purity of the imperialists power's intentions.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 09:14:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Sorry but it doesn't sound like it. It sounds very similar to a Scotsman saying saying "I support two teams, Scotland and whoever England are playing".

 

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 09:41:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Your own language doesn't "sound like" anything devoid of national prejudice, and is considerably stronger than mine.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 11:03:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I think this discussion crossed the ET Environmental Board's threshold value for light/heat output some time ago.

In the wrong direction.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 11:07:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I don't think so. Helen and I are quite accustomed to having an occasional argument without taking it over-seriously.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 11:11:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes, I'm British and inclined to view the world through those cultural blinkers.

But I think I've a pretty good track record here of pouring scorn on British claims of pious intent both past and present to able to dissent when I think that, for once, the British are the good guys.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 11:42:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]
If you don't want to argue that Argentina has a legitimate claim on the rocks, and if the locals want to stay British, then precisely what is Britain doing wrong here? Surely the mere fact that there are fishing and petroleum resources in those waters is not sufficient grounds to claim British imperial ambitions? If it is, then I want to submit an irredentist claim on Scotland on behalf of Denmark.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 10:45:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]
My meaning was that I was not discussing the validity of Argentina's claim. If I had to, I'd say Argentina has as good a claim as Britain.

JakeS:

Surely the mere fact that there are fishing and petroleum resources in those waters is not sufficient grounds to claim British imperial ambitions?

Ambitions isn't the word, Britain had those long ago. Holding on to useful bits of the past empire is more like it.

I'm not surprised you want to claim Scotland. But you're forgetting North-East England and Normandy.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 11:09:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Normandy isn't British, so presumably I don't get irredentist claims on that for free ;-P

And who would want Newcastle? (For that matter, I also omitted Northern Ireland, but for much the same reason.)

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 11:14:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Argentina's claim was probably reasonable 150 years ago. But 150 years of unbroken settlement by British people gives them precedence at the UN in determining who they belong to.

the Britsh military presence exists to guarantee that vindictive neighbours do not seek to belligerently create new facts on the ground.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 11:46:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]
And if the Chagossians vote not to be British, what then?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 09:26:06 AM EST
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I totally support their claim to Diego Garcia; the British behaviour towards the Chagossians has been,  and continues to be, utterly shaming and disgraceful.

Palming the sovereignty off on Mauritius is just trying to pass the buck but is simply another act of abasement to the United States.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 09:37:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]
"If the Falklands votes to be British, the UN have to prioritise that over and above the Imperial machinations of tin pot potentates like Kirchner"

If Argentina invades the Falkland Islands, the UN will prioritize and speechify and vote resolutions, while the UK sits around and calculates if its worth building a new Atlantic fleet to get them back.

by asdf on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 06:39:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
which is why the UK retains a large is military presence there. So we dont have to re-create that fleet.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 14th, 2012 at 02:58:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yemeni army drives fighters from Zinjibar - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

The Yemeni army has driven fighters associated with al-Qaeda from the key southern city of Zinjibar, a hard-fought objective that they had contested for a year.

Fighters calling themselves Ansar al-Sharia, or Supporters of Islamic Law, had occupied parts of Abyan province as well as Zinjibar, its capital, since the spring of 2011. The fighters, who are thought to be tied to al-Qaeda's branch in Yemen, declared the area an Islamic emirate.

But on Tuesday, the government pushed the fighters out of both Zinjibar and Jaar, a nearby town, during a fight that inflicted casualties on both sides.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:37:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]
ICC team visit detained colleagues in Libya | Reuters

A delegation from the International Criminal Court on Tuesday visited their colleagues being held in Libya over allegations they had smuggled documents to Muammar Gaddafi's detained son.

The delegation had earlier been prevented from entering Zintan by a local militia which closed roads into the town because of tribal clashes in the area.

Australian lawyer Melinda Taylor and Lebanese-born interpreter Helene Assaf were detained last week while visiting Saif al-Islam Gaddafi in Zintan on allegations they had smuggled documents to him from his supporters. Two male colleagues were with them.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:38:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
US withdraws supply negotiators from Pakistan - Central & South Asia - Al Jazeera English

The United States is withdrawing its team of negotiators from Pakistan without securing a long-sought deal with Islamabad to allow trucks to again supply NATO troops in neighboring Afghanistan, the Pentagon has said.

"The decision was reached to bring the team home for a short period of time," George Little, Pentagon spokesman, told reporters on Monday.

The team of negotiators had been in Pakistan for about six weeks, he said, as US officials had believed they were close to a deal with Islamabad to lift the blockade on NATO convoys.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:41:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The US has been sending supplies the long way round for the last month and a half?

No wonder there's a 'rebalancing' to the Pacific.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 01:57:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]
It's more important to fire missiles into Pakistan from their drones than it is to save fuel costs. Besides, I suspect they'd realised the Talibs were able to disrupt suppies coming that way too easily.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 03:24:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Qatar criticised over migrant worker 'abuse' - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

A report by Human Rights Watch has raised concerns about the treatment of migrant construction workers in the Gulf state of Qatar.

The report, released on Tuesday, called on Qatar and world football governing body FIFA to commit to an overhaul of labour laws to ensure that stadiums and facilities for the 2022 World Cup "will not be built on the backs of abused and exploited workers".

Qatar, one of the world's richest nations - which in 2010 won the right to host the tournament - would be the first Middle Eastern country to stage the cup.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:42:20 PM EST
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Mubarak in 'stable' condition despite health fears, say Egyptian sources - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

Egypt's ousted President Hosni Mubarak was in a stable condition on Tuesday, a prison official said, after sources reported a day before that the jailed 84-year-old's health had deteriorated and that he had received treatment to restart his heart.

Speculation about Mubarak's health has swirled since he was jailed for life on June 2 for failing to halt the killing of protesters who toppled him. Hundreds were killed in the 18-day uprising that ended his 30-year rule on Feb. 11, 2011.

Mubarak's lawyer told Reuters on Monday that Mubarak's status was "very critical" and that he should be moved to a better equipped facility outside of the prison.

Critics say his illness is being exaggerated to win public sympathy and to prepare for any move out of jail to another medical facility.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:44:22 PM EST
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 LIVING OFF THE PLANET 
 Environment, Energy, Agriculture, Food 


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:17:36 PM EST
Report: Iran begins plans to construct country's first nuclear submarine - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

A semiofficial Iranian news agency is reporting that the country has begun to design its first nuclear submarine.

The Tuesday report by Fars quotes the deputy navy chief in charge of technical affairs, Admiral Abbas Zamini, as saying Iran has begun "initial stages" of designing the nuclear-powered craft.

Adm. Zamini says Iran has developed "peaceful nuclear technology" and has both the capability and the right to build a submarine.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:44:56 PM EST
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'semi-official'

which half?

"It's very hard to see what is kept invisible" Roseanne Barr

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 08:21:37 PM EST
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Israeli irrigation expert wins World Food Prize - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
An Israeli scientist who has reached across political and
ethnic boundaries to help dozens of countries in the Middle East, Africa, Asia, and South America improve agriculture with new irrigation methods will
receive the World Food Prize, the prize's foundation announced on Tuesday.

Daniel Hillel, who is credited with developing drip irrigation methods that
conserve water while allowing food to be grown in some of the world's driest
climates, was named the winner of this year's $250,000 prize during a ceremony in Washington. He will officially receive the prize in October during the
annual World Food Prize Symposium in Iowa.


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:45:28 PM EST
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fine as long as don't run out of plastic...

"It's very hard to see what is kept invisible" Roseanne Barr
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 08:22:44 PM EST
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Chinese vice premier meets with EU agricultural official - Xinhua | English.news.cn

Vice Premier Hui Liangyu on Tuesday pledged to boost agricultural cooperation with the European Union as he met with EU Agriculture Commissioner Dacian Ciolos.

Hui commended current China-EU relations during their meeting, saying the two sides have maintained high-level visits, carried out fruitful dialogues at all levels and kept coordination on major international and regional issues in recent years.

"China attaches great importance to developing relations with the EU and hopes the two sides will make full use of their respective advantages, strengthen dialogue and communication and further expand cooperation in agriculture, economy and trade," Hui said



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:47:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
ceebs:
"China attaches great importance to developing relations with the EU and hopes the two sides will make full use of their respective advantages, strengthen dialogue and communication and further expand cooperation in agriculture, economy and trade," Hui said

aka we'll buy your beamers, and then your farmland, deal?

"It's very hard to see what is kept invisible" Roseanne Barr

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 08:24:24 PM EST
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Government defends David Cameron decision not to attend Rio+20 earth summit | Environment | guardian.co.uk

The UK's environment secretary has hit back at criticism that David Cameron is not attending next week's Rio+20 sustainable development summit, saying the government takes sustainability seriously and there is "no lack of commitment" from the UK.

Rio+20 opens next week and will be the largest summit the UN has ever organised. It comes two decades after the original Rio Earth Summit, with 190 countries meeting to discuss plans to grow the "green economy" of industries such as renewable energy, as well as potential "sustainable development goals".

On Tuesday, the chair of an influential committee of MPs, Joan Walley, attacked the government for Cameron's decision not to go, saying he was "sending out a powerful signal that the UK government does not see sustainability as a priority."



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:50:35 PM EST
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UK nuclear plans 'need saving by David Cameron and Francois Hollande' | Environment | guardian.co.uk

The prime minister must step in urgently to rescue the UK's nuclear power programme, or risk it failing, a senior Tory has warned after French nuclear company EDF gave a downbeat report on the prospects for a new fleet of reactors in the UK.

Chairman of the influential energy and climate change committee and former Tory cabinet minister Tim Yeo said that Cameron must speak to his French counterpart, Francois Hollande, in order to decide what conditions are necessary for the state-owned French utility to fulfil its planned investment.

"This is something that can only be done by the heads of government of Britain and France," he told the Guardian. "There may need to be special arrangements for nuclear [separate from the regulation and subsidy of other forms of power]. Given the size of this investment - billions and billions, with a return on investment coming well into the 2020s - this has to involve the heads of government."



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:50:54 PM EST
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ceebs:
"This is something that can only be done by the heads of government of Britain and France," he told the Guardian. "There may need to be special arrangements for nuclear [separate from the regulation and subsidy of other forms of power]. Given the size of this investment - billions and billions, with a return on investment coming well into the 2020s - this has to involve the heads of government."

the nerve of these guys... return on investment gonna cover fukushima level cleanups?

heads of government involved... on pikes?

"It's very hard to see what is kept invisible" Roseanne Barr

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 08:27:22 PM EST
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I had someone telling me the other day that windpower "only worked for tho companies that make and install the turbines" and anything anyone could say that disagreed was rubbish because he'd worked in the power industry for twenty odd years so knew the facts.

his main argument for what to do to stop the power failing was that we had to downgrade the safety requirements for nuclear power stations because they may be too tough!

he was also telling me that the latest figures for loading on UK windfarms is only 22% so they are a waste of time.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 10:44:23 PM EST
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He forgot the subsidies for the wealthy landowners. He needs to revise his talking points.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 01:35:12 AM EST
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America's love affair with the motor car is running on empty | Environment | guardian.co.uk

America's love of driving is iconic. The open road is a central manifestation of America the free. During the 20th century, the total movement of cars and trucks on our national roads and highways grew as fast as our economy, or faster. Movement - measured by total vehicle miles travelled (VMT) - was considered an unqualified blessing. In the 1960s each American drove about 5,000 miles a year in a car, van, or truck. By 2000 that number was 10,000 miles. Which means we are twice as well off - right?

Wrong. In the early years of the 21st century, something very interesting happened. Individual vehicle travel in America lost its glamour - and its connection to economic growth. In 2003 when VMT was 2.9 trillion miles, US gross domestic product was just under $11tr. In 2011 GDP passed $15tr while total vehicle travel was still about 2.9 trillion miles. In 2011 alone GDP went up 1.5% while VMT went down 1.5%. VMT per capita is receding as well, with each American now travelling less than 9,500 miles annually.

America is not alone. The UK has experienced similar trends, with a 13% drop in annual trips by cars and vans since 1996, and a 4% reduction in annual distance travelled over the same time period. The ratio of vehicle miles travelled to GDP in the core EU 15 states has dropped by more than 10% since 2000.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:51:28 PM EST
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Supercomputers need standard shot glass to measure out juice * The Register

The biggest challenge in getting to the next level of supercomputer performance - Exascale - is the massive amounts of electricity these systems will consume. On a smaller scale, energy consumption also inhibits HPC installations. The problem isn't just getting enough plugs from your walls to the grid; it's also the cost of electricity when you're guzzling it in such massive quantities.

Regardless of where you live or the deal you've cut with your local utility, megawatts of power cost mega-dough. Here in the hydropower-rich Pacific Northwest, commercial customers pay around 10 cents per kilowatt hour, and industrial users pay about 6.5 cents for the same juice (although that's an `interruptible' rate - which is probably a deal-breaker for HPC installations). At a dime per KWh ($100 per MWh), the annual cost per megawatt comes in at $876,000.

The average energy consumption of the top 10 systems on the Top500 list is 4.8 megawatts, meaning an average bill of around $4.2 million. The K computer, at the top of the list, consumes 12.6 megawatts, which would cost more than $11m per year if it was relocated somewhere near my house.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:58:19 PM EST
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 LIVING ON THE PLANET 
 Society, Culture, History, Information 


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:18:03 PM EST
BBC News - UK reopens probe into Google's Street View data capture

Google is back under investigation after gathering personal data while cameras on its cars took pictures for its UK Street View service.

The Information Commissioner's Office previously dropped a probe into the affair after being told limited data had been "mistakenly collected".

However, it said it had since become aware of reports that a Google engineer had deliberately written software to obtain a wider range of material.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:24:09 PM EST
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Stephen Fry steals show, and Greek hearts, in Parthenon marbles debate | Art and design | guardian.co.uk

They came in their Athenian finery, filing patiently into the low-lit auditorium and waiting to hear a message of hope. Its deliverer: a man who until recently was unknown to them but who is now regarded as something of a hero; a saviour of the Greek people in the face of foreign meddling and arrogance; a man who has come to their rescue in troubled times to fight for Hellenic pride.

No, restrain yourselves; it wasn't Syriza's Alexis Tsipras. The man they had come to see was one Stephen Fry, and the issue at stake was the future of the Parthenon marbles, currently held by the British Museum.

Monday night's debate at Cadogan Hall in London, organised by Intelligence Squared and entitled Send Them Back: the Parthenon marbles should be returned to Athens, was also screened live at the Acropolis Museum in Greece before a rapt audience who vigorously applauded Fry's declaration that the it would be "an act of the supremest class" for Britain to return the sculptures which have resided in London for nearly 200 years.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:32:57 PM EST
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Apple previews iOS 6 with new Maps, Siri features - Xinhua | English.news.cn

Apple on Monday previewed the upcoming version of its mobile operating system iOS 6, with notable features including new Siri support for more languages and new Maps app with Apple-designed cartography.

According to the company, the new Maps app has turn-by-turn navigation guiding with spoken directions and photo-realistic interactive 3D views called Flyover. Real-traffic information will keep users updated on how long it will take to get to their destination and offers alternate time-saving route if traffic conditions change significantly.

The intelligent personal assistant Siri will also be available for the new iPad and support more languages such as Mandarin, Cantonese, Spanish, Italian and Korean, Apple announced.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:48:17 PM EST
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Google Apps cloud fine print may not protect EU biz * The Register

EU businesses that provide applications to consumers through the Google Apps platform may require additional mechanisms to the new contract terms offered by Google - in order to legitimately transfer personal data collected from app users overseas, an expert has said.

Google has announced that it will offer "model contract clauses" to app providers as a means for those businesses to lawfully transfer personal data outside of the European Economic Area (EEA). Out-Law.com asked Google to provide a copy of the model contract clauses it intends to offer, but a spokesman for the company said the information was not available yet.

However, data protection law specialist Kathryn Wynn of Pinsent Masons, the law firm behind Out-Law.com, has said that if it is Google's intention to store the data collected by app providers in the cloud, then complex contractual arrangements may have to exist to make that activity legitimate.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:55:10 PM EST
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Source code smoking gun links Stuxnet AND Flame * The Register

A direct link exists between the infamous uranium enrichment sabotage worm Stuxnet and the newly uncovered Flame mega-malware, researchers have claimed.

Russian virus protection outfit Kaspersky Lab said in a blog post yesterday that although two separate teams worked on Stuxnet and Flame, the viruses' programmers "cooperated at least once during the early stages of development".

The smoking gun, in the lab's opinion, is a component in an early build of Stuxnet that appears in Flame as a plugin.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:56:39 PM EST
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It seems clear that only one nation (perhaps allied to one other nation) has the motivation and know-how for this. However, devious minds are required for this kind of coding. I doubt if such devious minds are career intelligence people. Deep hacking knowledge is needed.

The paradox, therefore, is that since such coders are samurai - ready to serve masters, but only according to their own code (sic), the payment of them probably only ensures that, at the present time, ultimate control is not in the hands of those who we presume to be in control.

A similarity to the Manhattan project is not misplaced.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 04:28:50 PM EST
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I thought the US had already admitted it, in the standard way of unidentified official tells the press.

Obama Ordered Wave of Cyberattacks Against Iran - NYTimes.com

From his first months in office, President Obama secretly ordered increasingly sophisticated attacks on the computer systems that run Iran's main nuclear enrichment facilities, significantly expanding America's first sustained use of cyberweapons, according to participants in the program.


A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!
by A swedish kind of death on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 05:56:59 PM EST
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Sven Triloqvist:
I doubt if such devious minds are career intelligence people

seems like a job requirement if anything!

"It's very hard to see what is kept invisible" Roseanne Barr

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 08:05:33 PM EST
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Perhaps devious is the wrong adjective. But I can't come up with something that describes the surreptitious bite-the-hand-that-feeds-you ethos of many hackers who finance their 'real' projects by taking corporate coin.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 11:03:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]
5th column?

spy vs counterspy

"It's very hard to see what is kept invisible" Roseanne Barr

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 07:01:49 PM EST
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 PEOPLE AND KLATSCH 


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 03:18:34 PM EST
Hitchhiker shot while researching 'Kindness of America' * The Register

A hitchhiker researching a book on "The Kindness of America" is currently recovering in hospital after a gun-toting truck driver game him a small donation of some searing hot lead.

Ray Dolin, was hitching on Highway 2 in Montana on Saturday as part of a project to produce a memoir on the great things about the open road in the big country.

Dolin was sitting on his backpack, just west of of the town of Glasgow early Saturday evening when a pickup truck slowed down.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 04:00:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Must have been first pull on reasonable suspicion. The guy had his thumb up and strange luggage.

Easy Rider ain't outa date...

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 05:43:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]
gotta love the ref to car pooling as possible cause.

bigger threat than reds under beds.

"It's very hard to see what is kept invisible" Roseanne Barr

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 08:32:11 PM EST
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Cambridge News | Latest News Headlines From Cambridge City & Cambridgeshire | National News By Cambridge News | Councillor bidding to be police commissioner is charged with criminal damage

A councillor who is vying to be Cambridgeshire's first police commissioner has been charged with criminal damage.

Shona Johnstone is accused of smashing a wing mirror off a car while cycling in her home village of Over.

The 50-year-old attended Cambridge Magistrates' Court today (June 12) but didn't enter the courtroom and a not guilty plea to the charge of criminal damage was entered on her behalf by her solicitor.

A trial date of August 28 was set.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 04:04:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Teofilo Stevenson - Telegraph

Indeed, Stevenson was possibly denied a fourth gold medal by Cuba's decision not to participate in the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics.

What makes the Cuban unique is that, during what is now viewed as a golden age in the heavyweight division, he resolutely turned down countless offers to turn professional (including a reputed $5 million offer from promoter Don King), thus refusing what would have been hugely lucrative paydays against the world professional champions Muhammad Ali and George Foreman.

Renowned for his gentlemanly conduct and sportsmanship both inside the ring and out, Stevenson - who once famously helped a stricken opponent back to his corner having knocked him flat in the opening round - elected to remain true to his president and the Cuban people.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2012 at 04:06:15 PM EST
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I am charmed by the belief that he felt he had any choice in the matter of staying loyal. Most communist states shot anyone who wanted to try a different life, or, if they mised, at least barred them from ever having any contact with their family again.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 13th, 2012 at 08:39:38 AM EST
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