Late Thursday Open Thread

Well, the first game was a bit of a damp squib. A gam of two halves, Italy won the first half comfortably and would probably have been two or three up at half time if they'd put themselves out.

But Croatia won the second half and it fizzled out into a deserved 1-1 .

The ref played a blinder with both sides happy to kick lumps out of each other

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 14th, 2012 at 02:22:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Irish football fans... (4.00 / 2)

The second game, spain vs Ireland, was about a gulf in class. There wasn't a single Irish player who'd even make the spanish squad, let alone the team, and it showed.

I think the fact that Ireand were only a goal down at half time was more about Spain lacking a ruthless streak and perhaps being generous. I think they must have been told off at half time cos they just brushed Ireland aside in the second.

Spain and Germany are definitely gonna compete the final

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 14th, 2012 at 04:40:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Irish football fans... (none / 1)

You are correct that the current Irish team is very poor. However, far from being disgraced by losing 4-0 to an outstanding Spanish team, the Irish team fought to the end, and the Irish supporters were simply magnificent. Too bad the Irish supporters can't represent Ireland in the Eurovision song contest. Angela Merkel may think the Irish should be at home working, but instead we have sent out 40,000 ambassadors to prove that sportsmanship and solidarity in Europe is not dead.

Index of Frank's Diaries

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Jun 14th, 2012 at 04:45:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Irish football fans... (none / 0)

Ah yeh, but your fans have always been the best. But sadly, it don't win footie games

40,000 ???

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 14th, 2012 at 05:04:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Irish football fans... (none / 0)

Estimates of the number of Irish Fans in Poland vary from 25-40K. The Troika are investigating how they could afford to get there. Some have cycled, many have bought/rented camper vans etc. Most are camping. It's a fan thing... Many haven't missed an Irish match in decades. We don't have a serious domestic league, so we support the national team instead.

Index of Frank's Diaries

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Jun 14th, 2012 at 05:24:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Irish football fans... (none / 0)

After Germany beats Poland, then Russia, presumably?

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 14th, 2012 at 06:11:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Irish football fans... (none / 0)

No, after beating A2 (Poland/Czech R), they'll then play winners of Q4, who won't be Russia.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Jun 15th, 2012 at 02:43:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Late Thursday Open Thread (none / 1)

The smoke from the big wildfire in Colorado is blowing from Fort Collins to Colorado Springs, which is over 200 km to the south. It is making a plainly visible haze and is as smelly as when my next-door neighbor stands under my window and smokes.

by asdf on Thu Jun 14th, 2012 at 01:57:13 PM EST

Re: Late Thursday Open Thread (none / 0)

Ah, one of the manifold joys of living in the Rockies.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Thu Jun 14th, 2012 at 02:54:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Get your moral crusade on (none / 1)

Merkel finds her narrative about the Spanish crisis: Merkel: Spain was "irresponsible" over real estate bubble (ElPais.com in English, 14 June 2012)

German Chancellor Angela Merkel criticized Spain's years of "irresponsible decisions" that led to the serious debt crisis the country is now facing. Speaking before German lawmakers in the Bundestag, Merkel referred to the "10 years that Spain allowed the property bubble swell."
Nevertheless, she said that Germany and the rest of Europe were willing stand by Spain while reiterating that the 100 billion euros that will be funneled to Spanish banks come "with conditions, of course."
A stern Merkel also pointed out that Germany didn't have extraordinary power to save the entire euro zone "as some countries like to think."

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 14th, 2012 at 03:26:15 PM EST

Re: Get your moral crusade on (none / 0)

Ummm, wasn't Germany just the least bit culpable in all this ? Y'know like over-seeing a huge credit bubble in the periphery in order to fuel its own export boom. It really does take two to tango

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 14th, 2012 at 03:39:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Get your moral crusade on (4.00 / 2)

That's neither here nor there, The point is that, as Wolfgang Münchau put it 3 months ago:

Greece was the crisis that people in Germany thought to understand. Here irresponsible politicians in the deep South cheated with the budget and gorged themselves into bankruptcy. The Spanish crisis is more uncomfortable for us, for several reasons. It is more threatening, just because of the size of the country, and is not amenable to the argument patterns current in Germany, since in contrast with Germany Spain had never broken the stability pact - and had even smaller state debt than we did.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 14th, 2012 at 03:47:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Get your moral crusade on (none / 1)

-A stern Merkel also pointed out that Germany didn't have extraordinary power to save the entire euro zone "as some countries like to think."-

Of course you can, numbnuts, just print more euros, inflation be damned!
Just because your rich puppetmasters tell you their monetary philosophy is The One and Only Right Choice (for them) while it is plainly a disastrous infliction of catastrophe for the multitudes of EU citizens, it does not mean anything.
Your pretence of moral high ground flies in the face of reality and the further you go out on that limb the more obviously an Oscar-worthy masquerade.
It is flagrantly, nefariously immoral, serving the very tip of the socio-economic pyramid at the mortal expense of the rest.
Shame on you and those Who pull your strings!

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Jun 14th, 2012 at 07:19:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Late Thursday Open Thread (4.00 / 2)

Uh, oh, you Yurpeans apparently aren't happy messing up your own non-country, now you're sending missionaries over to lecture us 'mericans!

http://www.westernconservativesummit.com/

#shoeonotherfoot

by asdf on Thu Jun 14th, 2012 at 04:57:32 PM EST

Re: Late Thursday Open Thread (none / 0)

Geert Wilders?

I guess he's a natural fit for an Islamophobic set...

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jun 14th, 2012 at 06:29:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Late Thursday Open Thread | 20 comments (20 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

Go to: [ European Tribune Homepage : Top of page : Top of comments ]

Late Thursday Open Thread

Top Diaries

Fiscal and Organizational Capacity of States and Sovereignty

Pentecost steam

A Nomad's Life (A Farewell)

Newspeak to English pocket dictionary

Standing on the Shoulders of Giants - Europe and the Mongol...

Quantifying Utopia: A UBI Calculator for the USA

Simple Solar Principles

Rail News Blogging #24

Recent Diaries

Fiscal and Organizational Capacity of States and Sovereignty

Pentecost steam

Simple Solar Principles

Quantifying Utopia: A UBI Calculator for the USA

Newspeak to English pocket dictionary

Standing on the Shoulders of Giants - Europe and the Mongol...

Rail News Blogging #24

A Nomad's Life (A Farewell)

The Brussels Consensus: economic disaster in EU candidate...

Origins of German Neo-Austerianism

Ferguson hates on Keynes

Dionysian revels: Nice, May Day 2013:

Anglo Or Not, It's A Disease

The UK and the Euro

Free Energy: Solar and Dynamo LED Keychain Lights

Kruganomics 101

Gold

Corporate Profits and Aggregate Demand

VC Investment: Then and Now

An Ambush of Wishful thinking and Cargo Cult law.