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by afew Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 11:19:36 AM EST

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Of the ongoing adventure.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 11:20:08 AM EST
Closing day on our house is a pretty boring affair so far.  Took the day off to be sure I had ample time to get everything together, and I think I'm pretty much done.

So now I'm basically sitting around the house waiting to change laundry loads and drinking.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 11:50:07 AM EST
Talking of drinking, see yer laters kids

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 12:08:49 PM EST
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Training for the final match?

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 12:10:56 PM EST
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Boring is good for this occasion. I take it that your air conditioning is functioning well and that you are high and dry.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 12:39:09 PM EST
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As far as I know, yep!

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 12:46:06 PM EST
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Stock markets doing +4-5% (at least in eurozone). Another dead cat bounce to be reversed after info is processed over the week-end, or were there actual changes in this summit?

It sounds like there were - not enough, but at least some first steps in the right direction.


Wind power

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 12:59:40 PM EST
At least the direct funding of failing banks by an EMU institution, without further burdening the credit status of the nation of domicile is an advance. Perry Mehrling has been making such an argument recently. Here is a summary from Bloomberg Businessweek :
"The idea is to make a clean break between the two "swimmers," banks and governments. Raise a big pool of private money (a "special investment vehicle," or SIV, in finance lingo). Then use that money to buy up all the government bonds of all the banks of the euro zone. That would take trillions of dollars. Buying the bonds at their actual market value, rather than their face value, would force the banks of Spain, Italy, and other countries to recognize huge losses. But those losses have already occurred--they've just been hidden.


As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 02:51:29 PM EST
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Now what about Greece, Ireland and Portugal?

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 02:52:02 PM EST
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I haven't seen much discussion of the LIBOR scandal on ET but this FT editorial goes to the point:


Shaming the banks into better ways

The Barclays affair may lack the spice of some recent banking scandals, involving as it does the rather dry "crime" of misreporting interest rates. But few have shone such an unsparing light on the rotten heart of the financial system.

The bankers involved have betrayed an important public trust  (...)  It is hard to think of anything more damning - or more corrosive of the reputation of capitalism.

What is shocking is the casual way in which this con was perpetrated, and how few checks were in place to stop it.

(...)  Bob Diamond, the bank's chief executive, gave a lecture last year in which he stressed the importance of culture in establishing an ethos of trust and integrity. "Culture is difficult to define," he explained, "but for me the evidence of culture is how people behave when no one is watching." Well, now we know.

(...)

As for Mr Diamond, (...) If he had an ounce of shame, he would immediately step down.

But beyond questions about legality there is a bigger worry about the wayward behaviour of the financial sector. The pursuit of unrealistic returns seems to have inculcated a culture of recklessness. This is not something that can be fixed by a few rule-tweaks, or by bolstering the capital that banks are required to hold. It is a question of culture and morality.

If, as now seems likely, many banks were involved in fiddling rates, this raises questions not just about the leadership of one bank but that of the whole industry. For there to be a real change of heart and expectation, it may therefore be necessary to retire this generation of flawed leaders. This newspaper does not endorse banker-bashing for its own sake. But if the bashing is to stop, the banks themselves must change.




Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 01:06:37 PM EST
Another triumph for self-regulation!
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 01:46:18 PM EST
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Well - er - actually...

Considering it's only a failure because Barclays etc were caught - you have to wonder what else they've been getting up to that we know nothing about.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 02:34:53 PM EST
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This is unpossible since we all know, from our study of NeoClassical Economics, as soon as they started fiddling with the announcements Teh Markets® - operating with full and complete knowledge - would immediately abandon the LIBOR for an open, honest, British Banker's Association banking system.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 01:47:18 PM EST
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You haven't seen much discussion of it, because those of us who might discuss it are...not supposed to discuss it. :)

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 02:03:43 PM EST
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I saw something on it, but it is only the 22nd conclusive proof that our financial systems are running our government and it it tiresome to keep pointing out the obvious - especially to no noticeable effect.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 02:57:07 PM EST
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A bit of discussion here.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 02:56:11 PM EST
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On Question Time last night, a proegamme where more or less ordinary people get to quiz the great and good, this subject was front and centre. And the anger in the audience was noticeable yet, as I've noted before, the politicos seemed to regard this as just another point scoring pportunity, wanting to point fingers at each other as to who was responsible, completely missing that actually, this was getting close to being a last straw.

There was a genuine appetitie for blood out there, they want people to go to prison and if the government doesn't deliver it, things could get hairy

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 04:08:52 PM EST
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I don't know if mortgages are indexed to LIBOR in the UK, but in Spain they are indexed to Euribor. People are right to be angry.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 04:13:42 PM EST
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The bridge loan i had when I bought my house in Arkansas while not having yet sold my house in L.A. had a rate related to LIBOR - not that I had much understanding of what that meant at the time, only the definition.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 07:33:18 PM EST
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And the Economist has its cover on how London is the greatest city in the world because all the zillionaires want to live there and it would be a shame for the government to stop that from continuing.

Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 04:43:13 PM EST
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This is not something that can be fixed by a few rule-tweaks

Then the proposed rule-tweaks are inadequately intrusive and heavy-handed.

Financial regulation: If the banks aren't squealing, you're doing it wrong.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 07:08:53 PM EST
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all the time, and it's hard to tell the legitimate kind from the make-believe one.

"whining is a good business model" is something I say all the time at conferences to explain why banks are saying all the time that they have no money and cannot lend to projects and I'm saying there is plenty of money (and utilities work the same, so there's a lot of whining in my business, as the intersection of two critical, and thus heavily - if not always correctly - regulated, industries)

Wind power

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Jun 30th, 2012 at 05:19:47 AM EST
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Yup, necessary conditions are not necessarily sufficient.

That said, currently the banks aren't squealing. They're whining. If you are in doubt which is which, it's because you've never seen them squeal.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Jun 30th, 2012 at 05:40:15 AM EST
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Ann Pettifor: Be angry at bankers, be angrier at economists (29 June 2012)
But John Maynard Keynes (as well as Adam Smith, Schumpeter, Galbraith and others) knew otherwise. And Keynes explained money and how it works most clearly: in brief, money, in all instances, starts life as credit. It is created in the first instance by central banks - which, with the stroke of a computer keyboard, can deposit billions of pounds into the bank accounts of commercial banks - think of quantitative easing. In return, the central bank demands collateral.

...

In other words, we as a society bestow great power on central and commercial bankers, which is why economic prosperity has depended on the public accountability, regulation and management of finance. Orthodox economists do not understand money as credit. They see it as subject to the forces of supply and demand and regard these forces as a good thing - for they can determine the "price" of money, ie, the rate of interest.

...

Barclays' bankers were granted huge powers. Let us not be surprised that they abused those powers. While, of course, they must be punished, it is time to interrogate those who gave away this great public good, this great power to create and price credit. Let us begin with the profession of economists.



If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 07:17:59 PM EST
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Money is a token of power, economics is politics, banking is about deciding what does and does not get done, and foreign trade is a thin veneer over the older system of colonial tribute.

Small wonder the marginalists shy away from honest descriptions of the political economy. They lack a language to describe virtually everything important about virtually every important part of human economic behavior.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 08:42:36 PM EST
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money is just IOU notes - so by definition it starts as credit.

Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Jun 30th, 2012 at 05:21:21 AM EST
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Only after 1971 - none of this is obvious.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jul 1st, 2012 at 06:19:44 AM EST
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I have to do a tediously boring, picky, and annoying task I've been facing for twelve years.

I can't put it off.

I don't have a slave graduate student.

Life, sometimes, sucks.

(QED)

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 01:50:30 PM EST
No, don't tell me:

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 02:37:28 PM EST
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I'm working on Cutting-Edge equipment:

those artillery tables won't compute themselves, you know.


Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 06:41:02 PM EST
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The Fundie-Cons are having a major hissy fit over the Supreme Court upholding ObamaCare.

I L.  

OL.

(No links, as it's not really an ET-topic.)

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 02:19:20 PM EST
Eh, I could use some entertainment, if links are easy...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 02:29:56 PM EST
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The problem is where to start. Here's one:
"Let's talk about Roberts. I'm going to tell you something that you're not going to hear anywhere else, that you must pay attention to. It's well known that Roberts, unfortunately for him, has suffered from epileptic seizures. Therefore he has been on medication. Therefore neurologists will tell you that medication used for seizure disorders, such as epilepsy, can introduce mental slowing, forgetfulness and other cognitive problems. And if you look at Roberts' writings you can see the cognitive dissociation in what he is saying," Michael Savage said on his radio program this evening.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 03:47:31 PM EST
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LOL indeed

Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 04:41:26 PM EST
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Do you really want to read the tantrums?

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 06:37:24 PM EST
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Elder Daughter has been trying for a driver's licence for nearly a year. Complicated by being at university in a different town from where she has to pass the test, so confined to holidays.

  1. First test date : the examiners were on strike.
  2. The test was going well, until the examiner made her enter a busy motorway by a short on-ramp. She hesitated, he took control. That's a fail.
  3. Too much snow, test canceled.
  4. Having lost her ID card, she showed up without it and was turned away.
  5. Yesterday, the test was going well until (see 2 above).

We're starting to think the Fates are dropping heavy hints. Anyway, AFAIK she isn't going to have a car any time soon. And I think I would know.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 05:41:42 PM EST
This is fun...

Discovery Magazine


Back in 2006 Harry Potter was all the rage in the engineering world. That year a team at Duke University built the first rudimentary device for hiding objects, akin to the boy wizard's invisibility cloak. But in technology as in the movies, Harry Potter is now old news. Over the past six years, scientists have moved beyond mere invisibility: If they could build cloaks for light waves, then why not design materials to conceal sound and even ocean waves?
by ElaineinNM on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 07:01:29 PM EST
by ElaineinNM on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 07:04:02 PM EST
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How Much Has Germany Paid?
by John Maynard Keynes, November 22, 1923

With the German government's formal announcement of its bankruptcy and the total cessation of all payments including deliveries in kind, the first phase of reparations during which Germany continuously paid large sums--probably up to the full limit of her capacity--has come to an end. It may be that no more will ever be paid. This is therefore an appropriate moment for reviewing and estimating her past performance.

The mind of the public has been extremely confused by the variety of estimates which have been current, varying from German official claims that she has already paid more than £2,200,000,000 to press headlines that she has paid nothing at all.

by das monde on Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 08:25:42 PM EST
In Mitt Romney's Schoolroom. NY Review of Books (paywall).
Some of the other schools that have been approved to receive state-funded vouchers "use social studies texts warning that liberals threaten global prosperity; Bible-based math books that don't cover modern concepts such as set theory; and biology texts built around refuting evolution".
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Sat Jun 30th, 2012 at 10:39:50 AM EST
What the heck is "Bible based math?"

I'm not a fan of Set Theory as the Go To panacea for all our ills but ... jeez ... what do they have against Set Theory?

 

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Sat Jun 30th, 2012 at 01:03:30 PM EST
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In some circles what others might call 'gangs' are called 'sets'. Can't have math glorifying gang life.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Jun 30th, 2012 at 02:32:49 PM EST
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What the heck is "Bible based math?"

  • Estimate the age of the earth, using the number of generations from Adam to Jesus.
  • Compute the area of a circle, given its radius, using only information in the Bible
  • Which terrorist killed more people: Samson or Mohammed Atta?
  • How many animals were in the Arc, modulo 2?
  • How many angels fit on the head of a pin? (actually the Scholastics only discussed whether they had corporeal bodies, and hence whether the number was infinite or not. The really interesting questions concern whether the number is countable, and, if not, what the cardinality is. I guess we need Set Theory after all)
  • by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Sat Jun 30th, 2012 at 02:36:15 PM EST
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    (bible-based (math books)), not ((bible-based math) books).

    If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
    by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 30th, 2012 at 03:48:44 PM EST
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    I guess that's so much better.

    On second thought, no it's not.

    Anyway you parse it, it's still nonsense.

    Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

    by ATinNM on Sat Jun 30th, 2012 at 04:04:29 PM EST
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    Best YouTube ever.

    by asdf on Sat Jun 30th, 2012 at 12:13:58 PM EST


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