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Sunday Open Thread

by Nomad Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 12:29:10 PM EST

For your Sunday chatter


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This bit of nonsense:

A formal answer might be that is is an ordered list of statements, ascending from an established fact (axiom, theorem, and so on) ...

found on the second page of an award winning
"exploration of human reasoning" invokes a "sigh."  An axiom is "A statement or proposition on which an Formal System is based" and doesn't - necessarily - have anything to do with "established fact."

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 12:51:14 PM EST
There you go again - expecting people to use standard definitions. Don't you know everything has shifted to the user experience?

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 01:14:41 PM EST
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But you know, one can have lots of fun with a literalist, like himself.  :)
by ElaineinNM on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 01:21:41 PM EST
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One can, one can.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 02:50:34 PM EST
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I keep turning people and etc. in to the Nature Boy™ Division of Bonk Business, OY

for increasing the global amount of mental pollution but the lazy sods never DO anything.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 01:22:15 PM EST
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The NBSA or Nature Boy Standards Authority is an entirely separate legal entity which issues Certificates of Compliance to those organizations or individuals that have been proved to emit mental pollution below the natural radiation level. I can send you one.

The recent article in the Times "Mental pollution - Asking is proof?" (16.04.12) is a gross oversimplification of the NBSA method. While it is true that the very act of application for testing is considered to be a key factor in assessment of compliance, due diligence is applied to actual research and testing.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 02:49:40 PM EST
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What part of sentient life is 'and etc'?

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 02:51:40 PM EST
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You are not cleared for that information.

And even if you were, the knowledge may not be released on a Public Forum.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 03:28:00 PM EST
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A snippet of her first stadium gig, and of course the entire audience was only on one side. But she was very happy.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 01:21:52 PM EST
Totally missed my 10-year high school reunion.  Could've been such epic lulz.

(sad panda)

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 01:32:48 PM EST
Who goes to those things?

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 01:44:30 PM EST
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All of one person I'd have any interest in seeing again.

Mostly it sounds like it's made up of people who were colossal assholes and never amounted to anything.  "Oh, so you were really popular when you played on the football team, but you were too shitty to get a scholarship anywhere, so now you're still working at the movie theater and living with your parents.  That's...(trying to hold back laughter)...great."

So it could've had some entertainment value, I suppose.

Almost everybody I keep up with from high school -- all of five people -- got the hell out of South Florida as fast as they could to get to much more exciting stuff in much more exciting places.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 01:56:44 PM EST
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Exactly - I have never attended any reunion - except a rather tawdry dinner for ex-employees and associates of a major film and TV production company. Against my better, and accurate, judgement. Maudlin is maudlin.

'Burn your bridges' and 'bite the hand that feeds you' are the only paths to true innovation.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 02:55:59 PM EST
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No reunions, no alumni stuff, for me either.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jun 4th, 2012 at 05:56:27 AM EST
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But of course I have a handful of very close friends who I meet up with every few years and still stay in touch. One even from schooldays. But we are spread out over the world.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jun 4th, 2012 at 03:39:09 PM EST
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Facebook thrives on maintaining high school contacts... Ugh.

by asdf on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 06:22:10 PM EST
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real economics: The Boss takes on the banksters in Berlin
Bruce Springsteen lashes bankers during Berlin concertRocker taps into anger at financial world, dedicating anti-bank song to 'those who are struggling in Europe and Berlin'
Reuters in Berlin
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 31 May 2012

Bruce Springsteen has touched on a nerve of widespread discontent with financiers and bankers while performing a concert in Berlin.

Springsteen played to a sold-out crowd at Berlin's Olympiastadion, singing from his album Wrecking Ball and speaking about tough economic times that have put people out of work worldwide and led to debt crises in Greece and other countries.

"In America a lot of people have lost their jobs," said Springsteen, 62, who performed for three hours to 58,000 fans in the stadium that hosted the 1936 Olympics and 2006 World Cup final.

"But also in Europe and in Berlin, times are tough," he said, speaking in German. "This song is for all those who are struggling." He then introduced Jack of All Trades, a withering attack on bankers that includes the lyrics: "The banker man grows fat, working man grows thin."


It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 02:07:36 PM EST
BRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCE.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 02:08:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Also, too:



Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 02:17:29 PM EST
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You can't help but admire the guy.

Unless you're a Republican.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 04:02:59 PM EST
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I never understood the Springsteen fans who don't like his politics and who believe he shouldn't extemporize on such issues.

I mean, have they listened to his music?

by Upstate NY on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 08:32:28 PM EST
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I have the opposite problem, I like his politics but largley couldn't care less about his music

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jun 4th, 2012 at 05:28:13 AM EST
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There's a lot of his stuff I can take or leave.  As the Rock Stars for the Working Man go, I think Mellencamp has been consistently better, although he's gone too far off into folk and delta blues in his later years while Springsteen still does rock.

Lonesome Jubilee blows away any album Springsteen has put out.  Mellencamp is also a much better lyricist, IMO.

But, c'mon, "Born to Run," "Thunder Road," "Brilliant Disguise," "The Rising" -- Springsteen's had some great songs.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Mon Jun 4th, 2012 at 06:07:20 AM EST
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I'm not a "song" person. I'm so much more into the sound than the lyrics. I could barely tell you the lyrics to any of my favourite tracks, even less what they're about. I just like the noise they make.

So somebody like springsteen, who usually makes a fairly tame noise, just doesn't really cut it for me.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jun 4th, 2012 at 07:27:51 AM EST
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This is more my idea of fun. This song is transformed into an ethereal delight when slowed down.



keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jun 4th, 2012 at 07:46:48 AM EST
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That was...weird.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Mon Jun 4th, 2012 at 05:48:40 PM EST
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Springsteen fans who don't like his politics and who believe he shouldn't extemporize

They just hear "boooorn in the U-S-A" and go reflexively "America, fuck yeah!". They don't get the rest of the lyrics and they get upset when Springsteen explains them.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 4th, 2012 at 05:34:05 AM EST
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They just hear "boooorn in the U-S-A" and go reflexively "America Amercia, fuck yeah!".

FTFY.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Mon Jun 4th, 2012 at 06:27:44 AM EST
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You can enjoy the melodies and ignore the lyrics, but then what's the point?  You've missed 95% of what makes Springsteen Springsteen in that case.  Just go buy a Tom Petty record in that case.

Part of it, I think, is that they're jealous.  I mean, we have Bruce Springsteen.  They have...what?  Hank Williams Jr?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Mon Jun 4th, 2012 at 05:47:55 PM EST
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Big Agriculture's Big Secrets: 9 Things You Need to Know About the Food You Eat | | AlterNet

7. Extreme Growth Promoters

Many of the growth promoters used in US meat production are banned in other countries. Europe boycotts US beef because of hormones like oestradiol-17 and trenbolone acetate which it says are linked to prostate and breast cancer. The EU also disallows farmers to use antibiotics and arsenic as growth promoters, which the US does. (Yes, arsenic.) Still, it is some consolation that most US growth promoters are withdrawn in the weeks before slaughter. Not so with ractopamine, an asthma-like drug given to 60 to 80 percent of US pigs, 30 percent of ration-fed cattle and an undisclosed number of turkeys. Ractopamine, which few are aware of, is given during the last weeks of life and not withdrawn before slaughter.



It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 02:11:37 PM EST
real economics: Neoliberalism and the decline of Sweden's real economy
A Soviet submarine washed up on the shores of Sweden in the early 1980s, causing a considerable international incident. Olof Palme was again prime minister and he was busy trying to sort things out with the 'Big Bear'. Carl Bildt chose this time to travel to the US to discuss 'international politics' with the CIA. Palme wasn't happy about it.

The 'Russian submarine scares' began shortly afterward. The tabloids were full of double page spreads of murky photos of the Swedish archipelago where submarines (or perhaps Loch Ness monsters) could be seen as shady blotches. Carl Bildt repeatedly urged his country to take a tougher stand against Soviet aggression. 
Of course it later emerged that the whole thing was a 'frat boy' stunt by the CIA and NATO to shift Swedish public opinion out of legendary neutrality and into the arms of the US. The international arm of the US Republican Party had already made contact - Fredrick Reinfeldt was one of their 'future prospects'. 
Marriage & Power 
Carl Bildt married conservative party leader Bohman's daughter Mia in 1984 and took over party leadership two years later, the same year Olof Palme was assassinated. Carl Bildt was able to form a government of his own following the elections in 1991. 
Carl Bildt set about privatising the country, selling government interests, and initiating and completing the process whereby Sweden would join the EU. Carl Bildt also began the project to build the Öresund bridge between Sweden and Denmark. 
The social democrats again took power in 1994, but Carl Bildt was the one who signed Sweden's treaty for induction into the EU on Korfu 23 June, and shortly after became an EU 'mediator'. Bildt and friends again lost in the national elections of 1998, so he resigned his post as leader of the conservatives. 
Carl Bildt was appointed mediator by the UN for the wars in Yugoslavia in 1995, and on 14 December that same year became the first 'High Representative' for the office in Bosnia charged with carrying out the peace treaty. By 1999 he was Kofi Annan's special representative in the Balkans, and he continued in that role until 2001. 
But by then he was on the board of directors of Lundin Oil. 
Medals, Honours, More Power 
Carl Bildt can hold his own with the best of them - with the stuffy old apparatchiks who used to review troops from the Kremlin on international workers day. 
He's been a member of the Swedish Royal Academy of War Sciences since 1989. 
He's the recipient of the Belgian Order of the Crown, Estland's Pro Terra Mariana Cross, Finland's Order of the White Rose, Luxembourg's Order of the Oak Crown, the Norwegian Order of Service, the German Order of Service, grand officer of Latvia's Order of the Three Stars, admiral of Britain's Order of St Michael and St George, and is admiral of the French Honorary Legion. 
He received the Swedish king's medal of the 12th size (with chain) on 6 June 2003 with the motivation 'for truly outstanding political accomplishments', the second highest honour that can be bestowed on a Swedish citizen.

But it's Carl Bildt's reach and influence which are scary. Bildt is a board member for:
  • Apen Italia (Rome)
  • European Policy Centre (Bruxelles)
  • Centre for European Reform (London)
  • International Institute for Strategic Studies (London)
  • Committee for the Liberation of Iraq (close ties with Bush administration)
  • RAND Corporation (Arlington Country VA, Santa Monica) (1st ever outside US)
  • Royal Swedish Academy of War Sciences
Bildt is also a member of:
  • Bilderberg Group (since 2006)
  • International Democrat Union (chairman 1992-1999)
  • Trilateral Commission (founded by David Rockefeller)
  • Council of Centre for the study of Terrorism and Political Violence
  • Bildt also sat on the board of directors of the Russian investment company Vostok Nafta (based today in Bermuda) who control the Russian state gas company Gazprom. Bildt also was on the advisory committee of East Capital.
  • Bildt's portfolio of stock in Vostok Nafta was reported to the Swedish parliament's constitutional committee. Bildt sold the stock two months later.
The Swedish general secretary for Amnesty International criticised Bildt's interests in Gazprom, but Bildt again avoided controversy by promising to divest all his interests in the corporation. more
There is a price to be paid for the neoliberal destruction of Sweden's real economy.  Last year they set a record for most emigrants.  And so we come full circle.  When I wonder why my grandparents left Sweden in the 19th century, the answer is pretty obvious.  Jackasses like Carl Bildt are probably the norm and folks like him made it very difficult for people like my forebears to even survive.
'Most Swedish emigrants ever in 2011'Published: 21 Feb 12
2011 marked the largest exodus from Sweden in history with over 50,000 people leaving the country, with China proving to be an ever more popular destination for Swedes who move abroad.
While Sweden added 67,285 people to its population last year, a record 51,179 people left the country, reported Statistics Sweden (Statistiska Centralbyrån -SCB

most excellent blog, with near zero commentary...

it is techno, isn't it?

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 02:21:43 PM EST
Yes it is.

I don't know why he stopped engaging viaET.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 03:29:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Because of this spat.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 03:51:47 PM EST
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Well, that's never gonna help, although tsp stopped for similar reasons not long after as I recall

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 04:24:13 PM EST
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it was a great thread, too bad people get so....um, testy.

i miss tsp, marek, techno... great ET'ers all.

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 05:11:51 PM EST
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Helen:
tsp stopped for similar reasons not long after as I recall

What's that about?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jun 4th, 2012 at 06:32:55 AM EST
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Transit of Venus: Your last chance to see it before 2117 | The Raw Story

A small black dot will grace the face of the sun as it rises (over Europe) on Wednesday, when Venus makes a rare and historic journey across the burning disc of our parent star.

Few people alive today will have another chance to witness the transit of Venus, as the laws of orbital mechanics do not bring the planets into position again until December 2117.

In previous centuries, nations dispatched astronomers to their farthest territories to record the transit in progress. In doing so, they embarked on the first global scientific collaboration in history and answered the pressing question of the size of the solar system.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 04:16:51 PM EST
`They're robbing us': 12-year-old exposes Canada's banking flaws, goes viral | TruthTheory

Economists around the world are struggling to break free of the clutches of the financial crisis but a Canadian girl explains exactly what needs to be done.

Victoria Grant, 12, became an overnight Internet sensation after a video of her slamming Canada's banks and the government for robbing the people, went viral.

"What I've discovered is that banks and the government have colluded to financially enslave the people of Canada," she said at Pubic Banking Institute conference in Philadelphia.

In her interview with RT, the child economist expressed her concern that the Canadian government has been borrowing money from private banks and putting the people into debt. "And they are not doing anything about this. So they are just standing by and watching the private banks make us pay compounded interest."

"It has become painfully obvious even for me, a 12-year-old Canadian, that we are being defrauded and robbed by the banking system and a complicit government," Victoria stated in her speech at the conference.

Until the 1970s, the Canadian government borrowed money directly from the Bank of Canada. But in recent decades, it has been borrowing from private banks instead which results in the government paying extra in interest rates to cover private banks' profit margins.

The prodigy's solution to her country's financial problems is that the government "should stop borrowing from private banks and start borrowing from the Bank of Canada with little to no interest."

"The people will then pay fair taxes to repay the Bank of Canada. This tax money would in turn get injected back into our economic infrastructure and the debt would be wiped out. Canadians will again prosper with real money as the foundation of our economic structure," she said.

voted for honorary ET'er. :)

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 05:22:49 PM EST
The US govt. is planning a drone strike as I type. Dirty rotten terrorist kid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wp4O7v5320
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 05:36:10 PM EST
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Out of the mouth of babes.

I suspect she will receive a careful Seriousness indoctrination programme soon. That or Twank's drone strike.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jun 4th, 2012 at 05:29:57 AM EST
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Anyone seen 'Mediterranean' ? Such a great flick. The chillum scene is one of the funniest I ever watched.
The whole thing is a cinematic jewel.

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 07:27:31 PM EST
Are you referring to Salvatores' Mediterraneo?

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 4th, 2012 at 01:25:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]
yup, seen it?

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Jun 4th, 2012 at 06:23:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]
When it first came out, back in my regular-movie-going days.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 4th, 2012 at 07:10:08 AM EST
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Random musings watching the jubilee on telly... Why the fuss over such an antidiluvian (literally?) exhibition/institution?
Collective Stockholm Syndrome?
Because keeping the rorles is better than the ghastly realisation that it's the likes of Cameron and Osbourne that are in power?
Any excuse for a party I guess.
Hard not to be touched by so much human loyalty and devotion though, no matter the reason.
Useless parasites, or fundamental keystone to a national identity,
or both, or neither?
A giant Truman show perhaps, dating centuries.
Csn't fathom it at all...


It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 08:38:20 PM EST
My view is that the public needs this sort of ceremonial junk. I have no idea why, but they do.

So the UK, which has both a Queen and a Prime Minister, has a system that allows specialization, with one person (or family) in charge of the ceremonial activities and another person left to concentrate on the political and economic side of things. In contrast, the US has a system that requires the President to be both the ceremonial leader as well as the political leader.

I think the general principle at work in the UK is fine; it's the associated second-tier aristocrats and their undeserved, inherited position in the economic system that make it so distasteful.

by asdf on Mon Jun 4th, 2012 at 12:11:55 AM EST
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Sounds like watching it on the telly was by far the best option.

FT Alphaville » Sell London

The British monarch's Diamond Jubilee celebrations proved to be a right royal scandal as well as a wash-out.

Typically British?  Yes, but the point is that this was something of a preview event to the London Olympics in terms of transportation, crowd control and general organisation. And it sucked on all three counts.

The general approach was to first close off literally all routes across the river, close key railway stations such as Cannon Street, and then cage off all access to the actual river embankment itself.  The immediate result was huge crowds with nothing much else to do but mill around in the rain outside what ever transport hub they had chosen to disembark.

(From comments:) My experience was that the south bank of the river from Bermondsey down to London Bridge was entirely closed to the public by hundreds of police, stewards and 8 foot high barriers, except for a few people who had paid £100 for lunch at Pont de la Tour.

If you weren't allowed near the river you might still have been able to hear Handel's Water Music if there hadn't been a police helicopter continually circling overhead and drowning out the music and the City church bells

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Mon Jun 4th, 2012 at 05:30:17 AM EST
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Exactly, these events are realy for the Great Unwashed and they are only accomodated grudgingly to create the necessary televsion backdrop of vast crowds of loyal people waving flags. Their convenience to actually enjoy the event itself is utterly irrelevant.

It will be exactly the same for the Olympics. I hear the Jubilee tube line (one of two that actually go to Stratford) has been effectively set for special attendees, ie corporate trough, only. Meanwhile, due to the complete indifference of generations of politicians to the lack of raods into the East End of London, the major roads from the 5 star hotels to the events are being roped off for Olympic family only.

I'm sure they actually do want some proles, just to make it look like a television event, but I'm sure they'd prefer CGI.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jun 4th, 2012 at 07:21:32 AM EST
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Damn my typing going wonky these days

Exactly, these events are not really for the Great Unwashed

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jun 4th, 2012 at 07:22:42 AM EST
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The London Symphony Orchestra - one of he best orchestras in he world - has been asked to mime on the day. Just in case it rains. Or something.

Presumably it's fine if they get their instruments wet, as long as they don't make any noise.

Incidentally, the Organising Committe is being run by a former Goldman Sachs COO.

Which could explain why the creep-and-fuck-you factor is so relentless.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Jun 4th, 2012 at 08:20:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]
One suspects that you stop by the music store and buy yourself a student grade instrument for outdoor events. That's even common in high-school level bands...
by asdf on Mon Jun 4th, 2012 at 03:55:42 PM EST
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Can't they mime without instruments?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Mon Jun 4th, 2012 at 04:04:59 PM EST
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At risk of being heretical in these circles, I would suggest that the brand value of HRH & Co Ltd far exceeds the outlay.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jun 4th, 2012 at 03:41:43 PM EST
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Besides, compared to some of the folks running the UK these days, HRH looks like freaking genius... Cameron especially could sub for Bertie Wooster any old day.
by asdf on Mon Jun 4th, 2012 at 03:57:35 PM EST
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HRH won kudos for asking uncomfortable Socratic questions to the sycophants of the folks pretending to be Masters of the Universe.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 4th, 2012 at 05:15:15 PM EST
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Why you ask? I can only answer for one person, namely me, but here goes:  

I'm intrigued by the people and their lifestyle. I like looking at the Royals because I love the fashion, the jewels, and the pomp and circumstance. The Queen always looks well-turned out. Understated, but elegant. Kate always looks fabulous. She has great style and she wears it well. Yes, I know these folks have lots of help and accessories at their disposal to pull it off, but they do seem to pull it off, year after year, after year. It does take effort, and I suppose I sort of admire their stamina. And looking at the crowds it appears that they give their citizens/subjects something they crave. As you so aptly put it: Any excuse for a party.  ;-)

It does appear that the Royals are less harmful than most of the politicians, and often times more sensible.

Having said all that, is it Royal envy I feel? Would I want to change places? Hardly (or only in my dreams). I've known plenty of wealthy folk in my life and I know for a fact that money doesn't guarantee happiness. Far from it. Actually, I'm pretty sure it works in the opposite way. It may buy peace of mind, but it definitely doesn't buy happiness.

by sgr2 on Wed Jun 6th, 2012 at 01:41:15 PM EST
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