Wednesday Open Thread

by afew Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 11:42:21 AM EST

The primrose path of dalliance

Wednesday Open Thread | 54 comments (54 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

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For Crazy Horse to wind down.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 11:42:49 AM EST

Bit of Country Music (4.00 / 3)

(for those who remember 1960 Golden Moldies)

(Tune: "We Call the Wind Maria")

"A-way out here
we've got a name,
for rain and wind and fire.
The rain is "rain,"
the fire is "fire,"
and we call ...
the wind ...
"the wind."

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 11:47:36 AM EST
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Banks of the Weser Fest (none / 1)

Won't, but thanks.

We've got five days and nights of large and small circus tents, yurts and all manner of organics, musics, dances, clowns, puppets, acrobats, a couple floating stages, and thousands of happy Bremer.

BREMINALE

and rain squalls interrupted by moments of sun. of course.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 01:13:05 PM EST
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Colorado Springs had a parade yesterday as the leadoff to the Pikes Peak Rodeo.

I was approached by a soft-spoken lady who was handing out "rodeos are cruel" flyers. My guess is that she does not have much experience with cattle...

As you might expect, the newspaper photos are heavily weighted in favor of pretty girls, soldiers, and cowboys.

http://www.coloradosprings.com/sections/slideshow/?id=15151043

by asdf on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 02:10:38 PM EST
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You forgot the obligatory, "Yippie yi yo kai a"

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 02:56:24 PM EST
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Is it just an impression or is the Colorado Springs population pretty-much all-white, with the occasional Hispanic and a couple of Native Americans here and there?

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 03:03:50 PM EST
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Re: Banks of the Weser Fest (4.00 / 4)

Nope. Colorado Springs has an interesting demographic situation because a.) it's in the American Southwest, which means there is a significant Latino population, and b.) it has 5 military bases--and the military draws heavily from the minority population. On the other hand, it's not a southern city, so it does not have the large black population that you would have in that case.

Colorado Springs is a strange mix of conservativism (driven by the military population) and libertarianism (driven by a Colorado tradition), tempered by an energized (but politically weak) progressive population. These mix so that you have a strong Republican presence, but also if you are gay or a minority or have a lot of tattoos or are a nasty troublemaking socialist or whatever--external signals that you don't buy into the conventional whitebread world-view--there is not much in the way of discrimination. There are a lot of pretty blatantly out gays here, for example, and mixed race and/or blended families are not uncommon.

It's not a liberal paradise, that's for sure, but the tolerance level is pretty high.

by asdf on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 04:39:39 PM EST
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Is that you on the horse, asdf?

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 03:39:40 PM EST
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Hah, no. I rode a horse once. Only once.

by asdf on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 04:03:17 PM EST
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Well, the "administration" has finally realized that some of us will not have our courses ready to give online by the commencement of next (the 1st) semester. Hence I am looking at the prospect of not giving it (online) until the second semester. That takes the pressure off (it isn't wise to rush through, thereby ending up giving the students a less acceptable 'product').

On a more amusing side, enjoy this clueless buffoon.

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne

by maracatu on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 01:04:36 PM EST

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Am seeing a lot of right wing commentators claiming that he wasn't booed, and that there was in fact sustained applause.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 01:22:29 PM EST
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Well either my ears must be lying, or they are confusing the public's response to when he said he would create jobs. Anybody from an economically depressed community who hears any promise of jobs would applaud.

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne

by maracatu on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 01:51:08 PM EST
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I suppose they must be filtering it out with the aid of the rights description of them being "Ungrateful"

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 01:54:42 PM EST
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Particularly when the speaker tells them that they wouldn't be so poor if they supported private schools instead of public schools, rejected government jobs, praised private wealth managers and sneered at advocates for social safety-net programs, and voted for wealthy, white rich guys that embrace creepy religions like Mitt instead of someone that looks, acts, and talks more like themselves.

by Marie2 on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 03:59:14 PM EST
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Does "on line" include video recordings of conventional lectures?

by asdf on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 04:42:12 PM EST
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It started out like that but we switch to doing voice overs of PowerPoint presentations.

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne

by maracatu on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 08:04:57 AM EST
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Could Mitt be this year's John Edwards? You know, a guy with a big secret that if known would sink his campaign. If the GOP were half as smart, clever, and skilled as Democrats think they are, they would have done everything possible to engineer an Edwards nomination and then dragged out the dirt for the general election. Rove and Co. were smart, clever, and skilled enough to scrub GWB's record and they have done a decent enough job on scrubbing Mitt's, but those tax returns can't be scrubbed and not releasing them is going to work even less well than Mrs. Kerry's and Mrs. McCain's refusal to release theirs.

by Marie2 on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 04:10:16 PM EST

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Maybe, but the things that get you in trouble in an election (at least in the U.S.) are mostly related to illicit relationships. Bribery or routine white-collar corruption, political shenanigans, etc. are less likely to be a problem.

And Mitt is almost certainly a pretty by-the-rules guy when it comes to his family matters.

The thing about his company disposing of medical waste might do it, but it doesn't seem to have picked up any traction...

by asdf on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 04:45:57 PM EST
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Nixon never cheated on Pat. For example. Plenty of pols have gone down for bribery and financial corruption.

You really think there's no there there in Mitt's tax returns? If that were true, he's a fool not to release them.

by Marie2 on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 06:35:15 PM EST
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My guess is that he's got a lot of perfectly legal things going on that involve huge amounts of money, and that the main thing he's hiding is the hugeness of it. Of course, any time there's lots of money floating around, there's a good possibility that some legal restriction was broken.

by asdf on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 09:11:47 PM EST
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Well, he keeps saying that he's admirable because he made a lot of money and in general Americans like people that are rich. So, if you're correct, he's got nothing to fear and everything to gain by showing the money.

by Marie2 on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 10:38:56 PM EST
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Without looking at any actual statistics, my gut feel is that you go down for financial corruption and bribery after your'e elected. During the campaign, the risk is the personal issues. Maybe that's to broad of a generalization...

by asdf on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 09:16:10 PM EST
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When you look at them, both Obama and Romney are both very clean cut, "conventional" men. And I bet if you could get them separated from their partisan consultants and advisors and the ridiculous Congressional and Supreme Court fanatics, they would probably be able to reach agreement on a wide range of reasonable policies. After all, Romney has supported a lot of good stuff in the past.

The problem is not so much with the candidates themselves as the people that come along with them...

by asdf on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 04:49:05 PM EST
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Agreed. I can't bring myself to really hate Romney. He's definitely got the Naive Rich Kid thing going on, in that he has no idea what the struggles of regular people are like and has no idea how to interact with them, but -- and by no stretch am I an expert on his time as Governor of Massholedom -- what I've read suggests he mostly tried to do right by people.

I have a fairly favorable impression of his dad too, even though I think his accomplishments at AMC are overstated. (Yes, he was pushing small cars before the other automakers, but there's a reason Jeep was the only badge to survive. AMC made lousy small cars.) Dad seems to have been a decent guy.

It's the people who, I fear, control him who are pure evil.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 06:15:55 PM EST
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Of course, there is the small matter of the Overton Window.

Romney was decent on healthcare in Mass.

But he's really flaky on economic policy and now isn't a time when you want someone who's big interest is high end tax cuts and random budget cutting...

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 06:36:37 PM EST
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Right. But that's what I mean: I don't think those are what he'd really like to implement. That's just the litmus test of the modern GOPers. I suspect Mittens would be perfectly fine with the health care bill and same-sex marriage and all that. He might even be in favor of improving -- from the perspective of people like us -- the former.

But he can't, because his political life is completely dependent upon the nutbags. And that's really the problem. Everybody knows what the GOPers think of Daddy Bush, and I doubt Mittens has the stones to stand up to them.

It's an easy vote for me. Behind closed doors, Mittens and Obama probably aren't terribly far apart, but Mittens is too dependent on the crazies.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 06:44:07 PM EST
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This thread doesn't quite read as a ringing endorsement of Obama...

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 06:51:55 PM EST
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Well, it shouldn't, should it? That's the kind of election it's going to be, I think. It's hard to fathom anybody being fully satisfied with Obama. It's sort of, "Meh, the other side is batshit crazy, and Obama's not all bad...."

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 06:55:36 PM EST
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It's not so much satisfied with Obama as I think there were an awful lot of disappointments along the way, but he has been pretty canny to get through what he has in the teeth of Republican negativity.

Sure, he could have done more, a lot more in some cases, but I can't see how it's even close between Romney and Obama. Romney is a nasty little rich kid filled to the brim with self-entitlement who can only relate to and can only legislate in favour of his corporate CEO peer group.

Romney isn't a meh candidate, he is dangerous cos he doesn't know how an economy works, he has no concept of how a society works. He thinks the be all and end all is the bottom line, that Bain Capital should be let loose to work their tour of destruction on USA inc, outsourcing the lot to china whilst capturing value for his mates.

Bain Capital/ Romney mantra
America. Fuck yea
Americans. Fuck off

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 03:14:13 AM EST
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Oh, hell. That's like saying Nixon was decent on the environment and Reagan was decent on abortion when he was governor of CA. No, actually, it's less of an endorsement for a decent policy because the EPA an abortion rights were advanced by liberals, environmentalists, and feminists and not by the corporatist Heritage Foundation as Romneycare and Obamacare were.

by Marie2 on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 07:02:02 PM EST
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Known any Mormons personally or professionally? Maybe I've only encountered the ones that are always looking for ways to convert others or financially screw others, but Mitt's story and appearance conforms with my firsthand experiences.

by Marie2 on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 06:54:02 PM EST
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I only know two Mormons... Orson Scott Card the Sci-Fi writer, and a mathematician with not a mean-spirited fibre in his body.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 06:59:00 PM EST
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I did. Oddly enough, he worked for ALEC at some point. He graduated a semester ahead of me at FSU, and we lost touch after that. Nice guy, but total winger. Didn't seem terribly interested in converting people though.

Most Mormons I've come in contact with informally were through football games when we played BYU here. Very nice people -- to the point that it was almost creepy. They'd say things like, "Oh, it was a great game! Thanks for hosting us." To which most of us would put on a puzzled look and think, "That's fucked up. We just beat you by 30 points. You should be angry."

Understand: That's not how things work here in the South, even in liberal towns like mine. We don't say thanks and wish each other well. We hope each other's towns get struck by tornadoes and that opposing fans die in a fire. Saturday is Holy War Day.

So that's my experience with Mormons: Nice people, overhyped football teams that we enjoy knocking off their ESPN-built pedestals.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 07:05:49 PM EST
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Didn't say they weren't "nice." Usually in that 1950s version of how very nice white people act. Much like the initial encounters one has with Jehovah's Witnesses, Moonies, and Scientologists.

South Park nailed this.

by Marie2 on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 10:30:59 PM EST
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I disagree. I've never found anything nice about Jehovah's Witnesses. There's nothing nice about bothering people by knocking on their doors at dinner time to pimp their bullshit.

Scientologists are just a bunch of thugs.

I've never actually met any Moonies, although I did go to high school with the woman who runs the Washington Times online editing (she may be a Moonie now for all I know).

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Jul 13th, 2012 at 06:10:28 AM EST
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That's not how things work here in the South, even in liberal towns like mine. We don't say thanks and wish each other well. We hope each other's towns get struck by tornadoes and that opposing fans die in a fire. Saturday is Holy War Day.

Sure y'all weren't descended from English football fans ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 03:16:05 AM EST
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Common ancestry, to be sure, but we're not nearly as violent as they seemed to be in my admittedly limited experience. Granted, that's probably because there's no alcohol for sale in the stadiums.

We just like hatin'. English football fans are actually a bit worrying.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 08:11:19 AM EST
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I've known plenty of them. Hardly any proselytizing, decent people, family oriented. They do get creepy on the "niceness" factor, but so do a lot of other churchy people. Pretty mainstream in the American West...

by asdf on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 09:09:49 PM EST
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Proselytizing comes with being a good Mormon.

Professionally (commercial financial analysis and extension of credit), so many Mormons had lied, misrepresented their businesses and misappropriated funds on accounts that I'd handled, that I begged my boss not to assign the Utah territory to me. He declined my request leaving me to either decline the non-AAA businesses and thereby failing to meet production goals or approving risky business. As I couldn't do the latter, the really nice field guys went around me and racked up a million dollars in losses in a year. Guess who was let go?

by Marie2 on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 10:57:58 PM EST
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asdf:

They do get creepy on the "niceness" factor, but so do a lot of other churchy people

Rings a bell with me for militant Evangelicals.

"In the world but not of the world". Can produce very creepy results.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 01:13:19 AM EST
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It's a different kind of creepy though. The Evangelicals can be ignored, because you already know they think you're going to burn in Hell, and they'd do their best to get you there quicker if it were legal.

The Mormons actually seem sincere about it, to the point of coming across as cyborgs or something.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 08:13:48 AM EST
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Drew J Jones:

The Evangelicals can be ignored, because you already know they think you're going to burn in Hell, and they'd do their best to get you there quicker

Nope. The militant ones know it's their duty to try to save you.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 08:41:22 AM EST
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Joseph Smith Reaches Out... (none / 0)

... to 'Schland.

Amazing to see the numbers of early 20's young men in black suits accosting people in the streets here.

With a name badge preface: Elder...

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 11:01:47 AM EST
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I think the Mormon community in Europe may be in a different situation than the one here in the U.S. It's pretty subtle here, and the (many) Mormons I have done business with are indistinguishable from people with other backgrounds. There are some pretty obvious examples of nasty, money-grubbing, dishonest, and generally horrible Catholics, Jews, Presbyterians, and Quakers.

I don't think there's much of a correlation between religion and business practices, or personalities.

by asdf on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 11:22:24 AM EST
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Some of this may be a difference in how religionists behave on the two sides of the Atlantic.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Jul 13th, 2012 at 06:25:51 AM EST
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I dunno about anyone else, but that creepy "niceness" rings very false. It feels dishonest when I encounter it, which chimes with what Marie2 as saying and what people say about how Bain Capital went about their business.

To your face they're all nice and smiley, but they're the most ruthless money grubbing bastards behind your back

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 03:02:39 AM EST
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I've always offered the young men who come to the door some ice-water and a chance to use the bathroom, and have sometimes chatted with them. They are nice as can be but patronizing out the ya-ya. I tell them "it's not a matter of ignorance that makes me disagree with you. I've learned about Mormonism and find the same faults with it I find with many religions. You won't be able to change my mind because I'm at least as smart as you, definitely more educated, and have vastly more experience of the world, so don't do any follow up. But any time you run into problems or need help or water or the toilet, feel free to stop by again."

I had to do some research at the Mormon library in Salt Lake City on a couple occasions, and on one of them, a lady almost drove me crazy with her "cursing" which consisted of a constant stream of such things as "oh, frog whiskers" and "well, daisy drops and do-dads" and "oh, shivering shishkabobs." I wanted to kill her.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher

by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Fri Jul 13th, 2012 at 04:52:22 AM EST
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Seem to recall so many saying similar things about GWB and Gore in 2000. Wasn't true about GWB and isn't true about Romney.

by Marie2 on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 06:56:19 PM EST
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Probably. But then Vice President Lieberman.

Von überall könnte das Volk, Urbrut alles Undemokratischen, Zelle des Terrors, über die gewählten Hüter von Wachstum und Wohlstand® kommen. - flatter

by generic on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 08:05:19 PM EST
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Shudder worthy but so was Cheney.

by Marie2 on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 10:32:16 PM EST
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Twitter / sturdyAlex: Can anyone truly be this s

Can anyone truly be this stupid? ‪#JohnTerry‬ ‪#Please‬ (via @BeCo74) http://yfrog.com/oej3tffj

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 04:46:24 PM EST

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I liked the sun headline yesterday which suggested that John terry thought he was being oppressed for being white.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 02:58:19 AM EST
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@BomberosCM

El hashtag para seguir las cargas de Sol es ‪#alacalle‬

From the "unofficial" twitter Madrid firefighters: to follow the police charges around Sol, #aLaCalle (to the street).

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 05:04:52 PM EST

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Another hashtag: #estadoPolicial (police state).

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 11th, 2012 at 05:09:39 PM EST
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