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by afew Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 11:41:23 AM EST

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 11:41:44 AM EST
Simple, use a hippy patch



"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 01:06:24 PM EST
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That's where they grow hippies?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 03:58:22 PM EST
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WikiLeaks wins case against VISA -- RT

The Reykjavík District Court has ruled that Valitor, formerly known as VISA Iceland, violated contract laws by blocking credit card donations to Wikileaks, according to a press release posted on the whistleblowers' Twitter account.

The court also ordered that the donation gateway should be reopened within 14 days otherwise Valitor will be forced to pay a fine of  $6,200 daily.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 12:06:39 PM EST
Twitter / baddogOTM: Don't blame it on the suns
Don't blame it on the sunshine Don't blame it on the moonlight Don't blame it on the good times Blame it on the Tories


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 02:59:32 PM EST
Today there have been spontaneous demonstrations of public sector workers around Madrid. It is being reported that policemen and firefighters among others are demonstrating in the vicinity of the Parliament and also or the PP headquarters. And that "the government delegate [in charge of public order] in Madrid claims she will not allow Madrid 'to become Athens'".

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 03:10:46 PM EST
Funny. That's what Papademos said too.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 03:19:05 PM EST
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"We must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately." - Franklin.

Spain isn't going to become Greece. Italy isn't going to become Spain. Portugal isn't going to become Italy. Ireland isn't going to become Portugal. France isn't going to become Ireland.

Nationalism...

by asdf on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 03:28:02 PM EST
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Government plans to cut regional deficit targets yet further
But two PP-ruled regions, Castilla y León and Extremadura, refused to support the new deficit limits on Thursday, abstaining from the vote at the Council for Fiscal and Financial Policy, where the department of Finance Minister Cristóbal Montoro presented the proposals. PP-controlled Galicia was also expected to abstain, but ultimately voted in favor. Andalusia, Asturias, the Canary Islands and Catalonia all voted against the new limits.


If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 03:21:37 PM EST
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Marshall Auerback: The Growing Pain in Spain (Credit writedons, 12 JULY 2012)

Yiagos Alexopoulos at Credit Suisse estimates that Spanish capital outflows are currently running at an annualised rate of 50 per cent of GDP. No question, the bank run is clearly accelerating, and one can easily understand why. The country is turning into a Little House of Economic Horrors. The alleged "rescue" of Madrid's banks is a non-starter. 100 billion euros won't begin to cover the scale of the problem on any honest accounting or "stress test" (and that's before we get to the next phase of announced austerity measures).

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To help fund these bailouts, Spanish PM Mariano Rajoy is continuing to propel the country toward national economic suicide via more ruinous fiscal austerity measures. He has just increased the sales tax from 18% to 21%. This in a country with 25% unemployment, 50% youth unemployment and collapsing retail sales.

That will raise a ton of revenue, NOT!

Who needs to get the Troika to force fiscal austerity on you, when you've got Spanish quislings perfectly happy to do the job themselves?

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If so, the euro should fall precipitously despite today's unprecedented spec short position. The recent adverse price action in the euro suggests the capital outflow from Europe may be intensifying because market participants are coming to realise that the odds of a euro exit by one or more countries are increasing and political obstacles will probably prevent an effective policy response like deposit insurance to arrest Europe's bank run and capital outflow.



If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 03:31:29 PM EST
At certain point one just has to wonder if crashing the various European economies back to 1773 is the goal of the Austerians.  

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 03:44:40 PM EST
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For the first five years of the crisis I was horrified and angry.

Now I'm actually scared.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 03:47:51 PM EST
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This is what was predicted all that time ago.  People aren't going to starve and live under bridges so the fucking bankers, et. al., can rape the economy.

I don't know how bad it is over there (you tell me) but there is a tipping point when people stop protesting non-violently and the guns, bombs, & etc. come out.  

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 04:06:08 PM EST
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This afternoon, the following video became viral: @takethesquare
#AndreaFabra‬ shouts 'fuck them' in parliament while ‪#Rajoy‬ cuts unemployment bonus. At least she's honest ‪#revolution‬ http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature= ...

As a result, there is another spontaneous demonstration called for 23h in front of the PP headquarters in Madrid. We'll see how big it gets. Something like this happened on March 13, 2004, the night before the general election, when people realised the government has been lying for two straight days about the Al Qaeda train bombings.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 05:51:16 PM EST
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The level of utter incompetence of Those In Charge, the chaos and inconsequence of whatever their decisions are pimped by the media to be, look like they're now heading rapidly towards collapse. Of a scary kind.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 04:07:27 PM EST
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Ideologues have a natural ability to ignore Reality.  Their ideology never fails, it can only be failed.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 04:13:02 PM EST
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by asdf on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 05:40:49 PM EST
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And here's the Holy Shit! moment...

Reuters: Why it's hard to shut down a Spanish bank (JUNE 18, 2012)

Shutting down a bank in Spain would raise three problems. Shareholders are the first to suffer losses, followed by holders of preferred equity and subordinated debt. A large chunk of these subordinated instruments - 62 percent - is in the hands of depositors, according to Barclays estimates. In most cases they are the bank's best clients, some of whom complain that the risks of these instruments weren't properly explained. Wiping out retail holders risks triggering the deposit flight.
I'd been wondering about that since Bankia went bust.
The second problem is that imposing losses on senior debt holders without hitting depositors as well isn't easy either. Senior debt holders in Spain, like elsewhere in the European Union, currently rank on a par with depositors.

Finally, winding down one nationalised lender might provoke panic in the banks currently on state support, hitting confidence in the entire system.

Now guess what Tuesday's Memorandum [PDF] mandates...
Burden sharing

17. Steps will be taken to minimise the cost to taxpayers of bank restructuring. After allocating losses to equity holders, the Spanish authorities will require burden sharing measures from hybrid capital holders and subordinated debt holders in banks receiving public capital, including by implementing both voluntary and, where necessary, mandatory Subordinated Liability Exercises (SLEs). Banks not in need of State aid will be outside the scope of any mandatory burden sharing exercise. The Banco de España, in liaison with the European Commission and the EBA, will monitor any operations converting hybrid and subordinated instruments into senior debt or equity.



If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 03:47:05 PM EST
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Lunch over.  Back to work.

Try not to crash the EU and eurozone while I'm gone.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 04:13:49 PM EST


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 at 07:40:48 PM EST
Craig Murray » Blog Archive » The Impossibility of Rest

Occasional shafts of humour penetrate the stygian murk. Chloe Smith is revealed as completely inadequate by Jeremy Paxman. We could have told him that - at the Norwich North byelection the Conservative Party were desperate never to allow her to face questioning, and on this blog I offered a cash reward to anybody who spotted her with less than five minders. It was never claimed.

What really made me laugh was the report in the Guardian that she was given her ministerial position in the Treasury by David Cameron in the mistaken belief that, as she had worked for Deloitte, she must know something about finance. Why this is really funny is that the only job she ever had at Deloitte was not, as variously reported in the mainstream media, in PR or human resources, but in fact to be seconded to the Conservative Party. Chloe never had any job except as Conservative Party staff. She was then taken on by Deloitte and instantly seconded back to the Conservative Party; her working for Deloitte at all was a fiction. Whether this was to evade political donation rules or just to burnish her CV as a parliamentary candidate, I have no idea.

That the experience Cameron thought qualified her as a Treasury minister was actually a secondment to the Tory Party by one of those lobbying major corporate financial interests - and Deloitte was the Royal Bank of Scotland's auditors - is so rich it moves beyond satire. I can scarcely believe it myself. In fact it gave rise to such paroxysms of bitter laughter that I found the strength to blog again. Thank you Chloe and Dave for that, anyway.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Jul 13th, 2012 at 05:15:53 AM EST


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