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by DoDo Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 10:35:13 AM EST

What's up, what's down?


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Taking a 24hr interlude between rainstorms, my parents decided to try to mow the lawn. This was ignoring the squelchy-ness of the ground and that the lowest part of the garden is a thin cover of dry looking ground over the boggy patch draining the rest of the garden.

So, we now have some interesting ruts in the garden where the lawnmower dragged itself along.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 10:45:18 AM EST
Rio Ferdinand: I'm not racist, I was calling Ashley Cole a fake | Football | guardian.co.uk

Rio Ferdinand has denied being racist towards Ashley Cole on Twitter, but claimed that instead he was calling him a fake. Ferdinand defended his response to a tweet which referred to Cole as a "choc ice", claiming that rather than being a racist term it is used in reference to "someone who is being fake".

Ferdinand's latest comments threaten to further ignite the controversy caused by John Terry's court case, in which the Chelsea captain was accused of racially abusing the Manchester United defender's brother, Anton.

Oh my.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 10:45:24 AM EST
Is it racial abuse for one black person to suggest that another black person is culturally "too white" ?

I have absolutely no idea, but one thing I do know: Neither Ferdinand nor Cole have the combined intellectual rigor between them to puzzle that one out. Two deeply unpleasant personalities publicly screaming at each other that the other is uglier.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 10:51:41 AM EST
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See Urban Dictionary for Oreo.

It's racially-based, abusive, and extremely likely to provoke a strong reaction.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 12:55:47 PM EST
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Yea, coconut or choc ice do the same.

But racism, like other prejudices, is a power relationship where these two guys are more or less at peer level. Which kinda reduces the impact to schoolyard maturity

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 12:59:58 PM EST
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Reading through the article for some context, I think the term Ferdinand was looking for was "Uncle Tom," not choc ice.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 04:15:33 PM EST
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Good grief, you read that stuff ? jeez, you have a high tolerance for idiocy

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 04:39:00 PM EST
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Well, if he's going to be a racist asshole, he could at least do it right.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 05:03:56 PM EST
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...adding: Christ, you people spawned the damned language and can't even speak it right. ;)

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 05:05:11 PM EST
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We have to be tolerant.  Not only do they have to remember if there is a U following an O, if it's "RE" or "ER" at the end of words, and whether an "L" is doubled, or not.

Takes 'em a while to spit the words out.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 05:24:51 PM EST
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That's true.  It'd take me a while too if I was supposed to pronounced words like "Leicester" as "Lester".

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 06:41:54 PM EST
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and to think I turned down the open goal that certain people appeared  to be 200 years behind on being able to spell properly


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 10:57:36 PM EST
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As in "woolen" and "willful"?

LOLL.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 01:44:11 AM EST
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In Welsh, LLOL.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 02:19:50 AM EST
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Like this ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 04:37:33 PM EST
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Yep. Though I think Drew's right about the two footballers.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 04:42:43 PM EST
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Not that this rag is a reliable source, but they have a direct like to the Government (the labour minister leaked to them directly from her work email address confidential information about a staff reduction application form the PSOE). So...

La Razon: Rajoy resistió la presión de Bruselas para limitar el ajuste (15 Julio 12)

Las subidas de impuestos y el recorte del gasto que el viernes pasado aprobó el Consejo de Ministros llevaban semanas en proceso de preparación y «mucho más tiempo» en la cabeza del presidente del Gobierno. Mariano Rajoy ha seguido jugando sus cartas en La Moncloa de manera muy parecida a como lo hacía en la oposición: la estrategia del resistir y aguantar, esta vez ante Bruselas y ante Berlín. Las cumbres europeas y la firma del memorándum del rescate financiero han determinado los plazos de esa resistencia. Desde su entorno sostienen que Rajoy sabía «desde hace meses» que las circunstancias no le dejaban más margen que subir el IVA y meter otro tijeretazo en el gasto público, posiblemente antes del verano. Pero explican que se ha resistido hasta ahora para limitar el alcance del recorte.

«Si les hubiéramos dado el IVA al principio de la legislatura, como nos exigían, ahora estaríamos hablando  de un recorte de pensiones», añaden fuentes muy cercanas al presidente del Gobierno. Desde fuera, a Rajoy se le ha reprochado falta de reflejos en el manejo de los tiempos e incluso en la valoración de la mala herencia recibida. Todavía se le recuerda aquella descripción del proceso de traspaso de poderes como «ejemplar». Desde Moncloa, lo que dicen es que tenían la obligación de «aguantar el pulso» a Bruselas y esperar a que ellos se movieran, con la ayuda a los bancos y con la prórroga para cumplir con el déficit, antes de empezar a pasar a limpio sus últimas «recomendaciones».  

In order to limit the adjustment, Rajoy resistied Brussels' pressure (15 July 2012)
The tax rises and expenditure cuts approved by the Council of Ministers last Friday had been in preparation for eks, and "much longer" in the mind of the Prime Minister. Mariano Rajoy has continued to play his hand at La Moncloa very similarly to how he has been doing it in opposition: the strategy of hanging tough, this time facing Brussels and Berlin. The European Summits and the signing of the Memorandum of the financial rescue have determined the timing of the resistance. From his entourage it is held that Rajoy knew «months ago» that the circumstances did not give him room for anything else than a VAT raise and another coup of scissors in public spending, possibly before the Summer. But they explain that he has resisted until now to limit the scope of the cuts.

«If we had given them the VAT [rise] at the start of the term, as they demanded, now we would be speaking of a pension cut», add sources close to the Prime Minister. From outside, Rajoy has been reproached his lack of reflexes in handling the timing and even the valuation of the situation inherited [from ZP]. He's still reminded of that descriptionof the transfer of powers as "exemplary". From Moncloa, they say that they had the obligation to "hold fast in the armwrestling" with Brussels and wait until they made a move, with the aid to the banks and the extension of the time to reduce the deficit, before proceeding to putting their «recommendations» in final form.  



If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 11:57:57 AM EST
Maybe the direct link is being used to "leak" a self-serving narrative?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 12:59:06 PM EST
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That's what I'm suggesting.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 02:56:35 PM EST
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Guardian - Naomi Wolf - This global financial fraud and its gatekeepers

Last fall, I argued that the violent reaction to Occupy and other protests around the world had to do with the 1%ers' fear of the rank and file exposing massive fraud if they ever managed get their hands on the books. At that time, I had no evidence of this motivation beyond the fact that financial system reform and increased transparency were at the top of many protesters' list of demands.

But this week presents a sick-making trove of new data that abundantly fills in this hypothesis and confirms this picture. The notion that the entire global financial system is riddled with systemic fraud - and that key players in the gatekeeper roles, both in finance and in government, including regulatory bodies, know it and choose to quietly sustain this reality - is one that would have only recently seemed like the frenzied hypothesis of tinhat-wearers, but this week's headlines make such a conclusion, sadly, inevitable.

The New York Times business section on 12 July shows multiple exposes of systemic fraud throughout banks: banks colluding with other banks in manipulation of interest rates, regulators aware of systemic fraud, and key government officials (at least one banker who became the most key government official) aware of it and colluding as well. Fraud in banks has been understood conventionally and, I would say, messaged as a glitch. As in London Mayor Boris Johnson's full-throated defense of Barclay's leadership last week, bank fraud is portrayed as a case, when it surfaces, of a few "bad apples" gone astray.



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 01:38:03 PM EST
Guardian - Ed Rooksby - What does conservatism stand for ?

What does conservatism stand for? What is its core, motivating commitment? In the light of the various divisions within conservative thought today - between, for example, one nation and new right conservatives - some political theorists have concluded that the doctrine is simply incoherent. Others argue that conservatism has only ever been a rag-tag bundle of beliefs, prejudices and vague sentimental attachments rather than an organised, unified philosophy. Nevertheless, the fact that parties and movements thinking of and calling themselves conservative, for all their factiousness, have been such a prominent and permanent feature of the modern political landscape suggests that they're bound together by some sort of shared, deeply rooted rationale.

We can certainly identify several central themes running through conservative thought. The most obvious is the desire to conserve, and a general suspicion of social change. Closely connected with this is the importance of tradition which reflects, for the conservative, the accumulated wisdom of the past. Long-established institutions and practices have evolved over many generations and are thus, say conservatives, "tried and tested". Change, if it must come, should be cautious and pragmatic. Society, for the conservative, is best understood as a complex, organic whole which must be allowed to evolve at its own pace. Other central themes include the idea of human imperfection and the importance of authority for social cohesion. Further, conservatives often claim to value freedom over other political principles.

The trouble, as Ted Honderich argues, is....



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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 01:46:31 PM EST
Mean-spiritedness.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 01:50:09 PM EST
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status-quo-ism.

And its partner, status-quo-ante-ism

by greatferm (greatferm-at-email.com) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 03:13:39 PM EST
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Long-established institutions and practices have evolved over many generations and are thus, say conservatives, "tried and tested".

If 'many'=>3 then the NHS would seem to qualify, unless they mean 'long-established institutions and practices' of which they approve.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 03:25:00 PM EST
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"long established institutions and practices, tried and tested, of which they approve," topped off with a lot of self-serving prejudice, revisionist history, and denial.
by asdf on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 10:20:25 AM EST
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Ah well, let me just re-post my take on conservatism – I still think that's a both short and long enough answer:

A conservative is one who sells the mistakes of yesterday as solutions for tomorrow.

What conservatives want to conserve is the illusion of a past golden age, so that all the problems that were hidden behind the facades can be ignored.

The only thing conservative politicians want to conserve is their power - secured and expanded by all means.

The only moral all conservatives follow: forgive the sins of fellow conservatives.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 03:40:58 PM EST
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What does conservatism stand for ?

I got it. I want more. You can't have it. Try to take it if you can. GFY.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wp4O7v5320

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 03:45:42 PM EST
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All good answers, but the article finishes with;-

all conservative politics pivot on a fundamental commitment - defence of privilege and inequality.


keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 04:00:39 PM EST
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"defence of privilege and inequality," which is why the poor are so dreadfully conservative?

I think it's because the left has done a lousy job of marketing itself for the past 50 years or so.

by asdf on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 10:21:46 AM EST
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My stuff has been moved into storage and I am off for a year or two on the motorcycle starting tomorrow. I am excited and scared, just like I was last time I did something like this. I'll post a pic of the loaded bike in the next few days.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 01:50:30 PM EST
Godspeed.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 01:57:44 PM EST
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Make sure you keep us updated. we want photos.

and have fun

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 02:01:43 PM EST
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My flickr photos all show up on facebook, so they'll be easy to find as I post them. I might do some eurotrib specific stuff like I did last time too.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 05:39:23 PM EST
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Stay safe and have a great time.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 02:46:21 PM EST
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I'm green with envy and starry-eyed with admiration. I hope this turns out even better than you've imagined.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 03:01:36 PM EST
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Do anything I wouldn't do, and, come to that, do anything I would.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 03:05:26 PM EST
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I would do that, except my electric scooter only has a range of about 30 km, before I have to find a plug and recharge.

But for a network of recharging sations, I would change the world...

by greatferm (greatferm-at-email.com) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 03:20:29 PM EST
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Have a good road, my friend.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 03:22:50 PM EST
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mmm, roads...

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 01:36:18 AM EST
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NDN slang, means journey.

And be one with your pony.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 02:04:25 AM EST
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The trip sounds like great fun!  We want pictures!!!
by ElaineinNM on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 03:44:26 PM EST
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Stay safe and have a blast!

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 05:11:01 PM EST
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What kind of bike?
by asdf on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 10:22:21 AM EST
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Guardian:US free market group tries to halt sales of cigarettes in plain packets in UK

A powerful US lobbying group that bankrolls climate change sceptics and leading members of the Tea Party is mobilising British opposition against plans to sell cigarettes in plain packs.

As the UK government considers the proposals, it has emerged the American Legislative Exchange Council (Alec), an organisation sponsored by big tobacco and other corporate interests, is playing a key role in trying to scupper them.

So I've already contacted the reporter on this, but there's even more to the story.  ALEC adopted a model resolution calling on the Obama administration to coerce other countries that try to adopt plain labeling for tobacco products with TRIPs complaints in 2010.  The agenda for this meeting shows that the resolution was offered by a representative of Phillip Morris, one of America's largest tobacco companies.  Not only this, minutes (see pg. 11) from that meeting show that 2 MEPs were in attendance. Martin Callanan, a Conservative MEP representing Northeast England, and Michal Kaminski, a Polish MEP with what I would label "interesting" views on the Holocaust.

This is back during the period in which Atlantic Bridge was active.  ALEC did, and still does, bring in foreign legislators in order to lobby them, as in this case. These ALEC meetings are always top of the line affairs.  All expenses paid.  Luxury hotels. Free food, drink, and entertainment at various mixers held by corporate sponsors that allow lobbyists to be put into a social situation with legislators.

After being wined and dined, these legislators go home parroting the company line. And it isn't just Americans  anymore.  The cover of "education" through ALEC allows companies to evade normal lobbying guidelines.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 02:49:04 PM EST
What kind of Crap group has Rick Perry as a keynote speaker?

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 03:03:53 PM EST
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The kind of crap group that shilled for the "Stand your Ground" law and has been pushing voter suppression bills.  One of my other favorites is a constitutional amendment that would require that increases in the US federal debt ceiling be be approved by a majority of state legislatures.  That would mean that the state representatives of less than 1/10th of the population could effectively hold the federal budget hostage with veto threats.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 03:17:30 PM EST
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