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by afew Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 11:56:01 AM EST

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 11:56:19 AM EST
#queSeJodan!

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 11:59:51 AM EST
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The juxtaposition of your comment and your sig line is particularly apposite.  :-)

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 12:09:15 PM EST
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jeez, when is this weather pattern gonna end ??? Another rotten rainy day to follow on from the previous 100 odd.

If it carries on, athletes are gonna start arriving for the Olympics and wonder if we've decided to hold them underwater

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 12:18:32 PM EST
Constantly rainy here, too, but with enough periods of sun that I can play four-square on the street with the neighborhood youngsters when they get out of school. I'm so tickled to have brought four-square to far-southeastern Germany.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 12:36:11 PM EST
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Crumbs, I used to pay a distant relative of this game at school, called "touch once"

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 12:44:35 PM EST
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but but it's going to get better next week surely?

... checks Wunderground.... not really eh. "Partly cloudy, chance of thunderstorm" is the theme. I can live with that, we're not coming to the region for the heat.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Tue Jul 17th, 2012 at 05:27:31 AM EST
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About 15 years, assuming that global carbon emissions were immediately returned to their 1860 rate.

http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/cms-filesystem-action/user_files/ih/papers/recalcitrant_2.pdf

by asdf on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 01:15:08 PM EST
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Optimist! Absent data, but with the same 'return to 1860 rate' stipulation, my guess would be 50 years. I suppose it might depend on how much the replacement of the total glacial mass lost since 1860 matters.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 05:42:04 PM EST
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Hello, I provided a reference, complete with official-looking graphs.

The whole "return to 1860 emissions" thing sort of blows it all out of the water anyway, reality-wise...

by asdf on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 06:49:46 PM EST
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So you did! :-) And they do exclude glaciers and vegetation from their analysis. Were they able to include resetting human population level to 1860 I might have more confidence in the applicability of the analysis, as current population levels could hardly be sustained with 1860 energy consumption levels.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 07:35:47 PM EST
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Of course it would not be necessary to go back to 1860 energy consumption levels. But removing all CO2 contributing energy sources would put us uncomfortably close. Since 1860 world population has increased around five fold:

Has anyone estimated the portion of the present population that could be supported within an 1860 carbon footprint?

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 07:54:46 PM EST
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Right, we're fricking doomed, soon and bad. The only question is how soon and how bad.
by asdf on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 08:44:50 PM EST
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ARGeezer:
Has anyone estimated the portion of the present population that could be supported within an 1860 carbon footprint?

Depends on living standard (or rather ecological footprint). I would bet all of it if we all really want to.

Best source (afaik) for guesstimating would be WWF's Living Planet Report.

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by A swedish kind of death on Tue Jul 17th, 2012 at 04:13:35 AM EST
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I was looking specifically at the implications of an immediate reset to climate forcing emissions back to 1860 levels, which, if implemented as policy tomorrow, would likely be genocidal in effect. It would likely require the cession of >90% of current fossil fuel consumption, and while that would be highly disruptive in Europe and North America, it would be catastrophic in Asia.

Were we, as a species, undertake a coordinated, global effort to transition as quickly as possible to sustainable energy sources with currently available technologies my top of the head estimate is that it would take at least 20 years to get there, with the majority of the energy sources coming on line in the last year or two of the transition. But, had it been impossible to use fossil fuel from the start of the transition, the transition might be quicker, but only due to the resulting population collapse that would occur.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jul 17th, 2012 at 02:46:51 PM EST
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Because in two weeks I'll be far away, on holiday.

Of course then the weather in Europe will become achingly beautiful for weeks on end - and will collapse back into more rain, fog and misery one day before I return back home.

by Nomad on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 03:11:15 PM EST
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You can always stay...

<ducks>

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 03:13:46 PM EST
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This is the drought indicator of the Dutch Met office, KNMI. Anything above zero means a shortage of rainfall - which is common for the April-September period. The mean is the blue line, the red line is the record year in 1976, the green line represents the 5% driest years.

It looks like we'll hit zero rain shortage in a few days...

by Nomad on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 03:18:14 PM EST
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Guardian - Gary Younge - The Democrats can't lecture Romney about firing people

The issue here is not that Democrats offer no alternative to capitalism. Somebody should but they've never claimed to. But they offer no challenge to it in its most rapacious, exploitative and ultimately self-defeating incarnation of recent times. It is difficult to accept lectures on outsourcing from the party that introduced the North American Free Trade Agreement - an outsourcers' charter liberalising trade between the US, Mexico and Canada. The party that repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, loosening regulations that would have mitigated the worst effects of the most recent crisis, has no credibility to preach about business ethics.

The Democrats have done a great deal to make things easier for firms like Bain to do the very things they are criticising and precious little to protect the livelihood of people like Cobb and his former colleagues in the steel mill.

Given the opportunity to reform a banking system where venality, corruption and ineptitude were rife Obama decided instead to prop it up. As such he has proved himself more keen to save capitalism from itself than protect workers from its excesses. He told the bankers at the 2009 meeting: "My administration is the only thing between you and the pitchforks." Next time he should get out of the way.



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 12:30:52 PM EST
If you had any clue about what a dirty word "socialism" is in the U.S. of A. you would not be so surprised.

The History Channel on cable TV has taught us two things. First, WW2 happened. That is all the matters, and The Greatest Generation is responsible for all the good in the world.

Further, WW2 was an epic battle between the U.S. of A., which had tanks painted Kodachrome green and soldiers with green and tan uniforms and airplanes with pretty girls painted on their silver fuselages, and Germany which, like Japan and England and Russia, had monochrome tanks, tray people, and gray blown-up buildings.

What is NOT mentioned is that the war had anything to do with a struggle between the right and the left, and that the U.S. of A. was on the side of the left, fighting alongside a bunch of committed socialists from Britain, Russia, Poland, and France (not to mention dozens of Commonwealth countries, plus places like Spain etc.).

by asdf on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 08:41:43 PM EST
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Not to mention that at least two generations of Americans had no idea that color existed in the USSR.  It was all Cold War black and white imagery decades after we had color TV.

But socialism and communism were feared in this country long before WWII, except for that brief period in the early 1930s when capitalism showed its fangs.

by Marie2 on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 10:49:21 PM EST
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Too true.

The DC outrage over US Olympic team uniforms was particularly rich.  Where do they think our clothes our manufactured?  Those Haitian sweatshops that Clinton championed that were never built.  Have they even heard that the Mexican and Honduran sweatshops have been packed up shipped to wherever labor is cheaper?  If Chinese manufactured clothes are good enough for Americans, why aren't they good enough for US Olympic athletes?

 

by Marie2 on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 11:00:33 PM EST
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Guardian - Lynsey Hanley - £9bn railway investment is decades late for Wales and the north

If there's any news that gives the lie to the idea that the state can be rolled out of existence, it's the coalition's announcement that between 2014 and 2019 £9.4 billion will be invested in our railway infrastructure. This comes only a couple of weeks after Labour endorsed a report recommending a return to state ownership of the railways. It's as though an electric bulb has been switched on - or, at least, will be switched on in a couple of years - in forgotten, diesel-run spokes of the country.

Having lived in Lancashire and currently living on Merseyside, where I'm a regular user of Northern Rail, this news would have me bouncing out of my seat were it not for the belief that the electrification of lines between Manchester and Liverpool, and between Cardiff and the valleys, is so long overdue as almost to be insulting.
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Most of the projects on Monday's impressive-looking list aren't new: electrification of the north-west commuter routes, and the western mainline as far as Cardiff, has been announced twice before: in 2009 by Labour, and in March last year by the then transport secretary, Philip Hammond. It represents a bundling together of all the modernisation projects needed to bring the railways halfway up to the standard of those in continental Europe.



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 12:41:48 PM EST
No billions for French rail :(
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 03:33:21 PM EST
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Oh boo hoo, it'd take us £90b to get halfway close to the railways system France possesses. We closed half our railway system just when France decided to double its own.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 03:56:15 PM EST
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That's the high-speed line to Toulouse (among other projects) that's going down the drain. So boo-hoo.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 04:03:37 PM EST
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Oh bugger, I thought that was already mostly built.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 04:12:40 PM EST
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a couple of weeks after Labour endorsed a report recommending a return to state ownership

Why didn't this thought cross their minds when they were in power?

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 04:24:23 PM EST
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Oh, I remember it being reported that it had crossed their mind, but with Blair being an obedient little neoliberal, it was immediately discounted

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 04:48:03 PM EST
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New Statesman - It's companies like G4S that really embody the "something for nothing" culture

Occasionally, reality has an aggressive way of bringing government rhetoric down to earth, like a malicious Tour de France spectator with a handful of tacks, watching Cameron approach on his Barclays bike.

For most of last week, talk has been of Olympic Security and the failings of G4S. The Government are making tough noises about penalties for failure to perform on the contract. G4S, in reply, not-so-subtly hints at the sudden rise last December in the number of security personnel required by LOCOG, from 2,000 to 10,000. The notion being, presumably, that thorough bag searches are a close substitute for non-incendiary social and foreign policies.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 01:05:36 PM EST
Spot on.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 01:51:38 PM EST
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BBC News - Jon Lord, founder of Deep Purple, dies aged 71

Jon Lord, the former keyboard player with the rock band Deep Purple, has died aged 71.

He had been receiving treatment for pancreatic cancer since last August.

Lord, who co-wrote many of Deep Purple's legendary songs, including Smoke On The Water, played with many bands and musicians throughout his career.

A statement issued by his publicist said he died at the London Clinic on Monday, surrounded by his family.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 02:08:04 PM EST
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 05:10:00 PM EST
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Iceland Has Hired An Ex-Cop Bounty Hunter To Go After The Bankers That Wrecked Its Economy - Business Insider
If you were involved in Icelandic high finance in the runup to the recession, you might want to start watching your back.

That's because the government has appointed a white collar crime bounty hunter who wants to haul your behind in (alive, to be sure).

LeMonde reporter Charlotte Chabas has a profile of Ólafur Þór Hauksson, a former local police lieutenant whom the Iceland government appointed to track down individuals likely to have helped sink the country's banking sector during the credit crunch.

will the mountie get his man?

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 03:06:28 PM EST
given the crimes we now understand to have been happening, it may have been more appropriate if they'd hired contract killers.



keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 03:10:57 PM EST
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A mitosis mystery solved: How chromosomes align perfectly in a dividing cell

The process of mitosis is extremely precise; when it comes to manipulating DNA, cells verge on being obsessive and with good reason. Gaining or losing a chromosome during cell division can lead to cell death, developmental disorders, or cancer.

As Kiyomitsu watched mitosis unfold in symmetrically dividing human cells, he noticed that when the spindle oscillates toward the cell's center, a partial halo of the protein dynein lines the cell cortex on the side farther away from the spindle. As the spindle swings to the left, dynein appears on the right, but when the spindle swing to the right, dynein vanishes and reappears on the left side.



It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 03:08:49 PM EST
You can all guess who journeying on this pony.

Hope it has wifi.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 03:28:58 PM EST
One of these days I'm going to quit being a sissy and learn to ride.  Maybe a Royal Enfield or something.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 05:17:15 PM EST
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Don't get anything with drum brakes on the front wheel, which may eliminate the Enfield.

Plenty of low powered bikes around to give you confidence.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 05:23:54 PM EST
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I think I'd probably opt for an old Rebel or something to learn on.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 05:39:35 PM EST
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Be sure to declare your will to have your organs donated first. Just saying.

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by A swedish kind of death on Tue Jul 17th, 2012 at 04:21:21 AM EST
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I'm already an organ donor, although given my nicotine, caffeine and alcohol intake, I'm not sure who'll want my organs when I'm done with them.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jul 17th, 2012 at 05:50:46 AM EST
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well, there are two devices with wifi.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 07:52:47 PM EST
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This is the ending of Ulysses, "Remastered By Robert Gogan"
This remastered edition of 'Ulysses' introduces modern user-friendly formatting by applying additional punctuation where necessary and separating the 'internal monologue' from the narrative.
We all used to complain about Stephen Joyce and the difficulties he causes to Joyce scholarship. Now that copyright has expired, I'm startng to miss him...
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 04:44:16 PM EST
Since it's Bloomsday, and since there's a discussion of anti-semitsm in Hungary's far right in the Salon...


Hungary

Bloomsday has also been celebrated since 1994 in the Hungarian town of Szombathely, the fictional birthplace of Leopold Bloom's father, Virág Rudolf, an emigrant Hungarian Jew. The event is usually centered on the Iseum, the remnants of an Isis temple from Roman times, and the Blum-mansion, commemorated to Joyce since 1997, at 40-41 Fő street, which used to be the property of an actual Jewish family called Blum. Hungarian author László Najmányi in his 2007 novel, The Mystery of the Blum-mansion (A Blum-ház rejtélye) describes the results of his research on the connection between Joyce and the Blum family.

... we might as well pay homage to one of my patron saints. (the others in the triumvirate are Henry Miller, Robert Anton Wilson (who i only met once at Timothy's funeral), Zora Neal Hurston, and Sherman Alexie (who i got to hang out with alot). Yes my abacus is gebroken.

James Joyce, the Einstein of writing in english, a quantum mechanic, he was. Take the language and charm the quirks, spin 'em up and down, painted tipi skins from the Higgs bison.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 05:24:06 PM EST
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Hey Kuhl !!! Bloomsday this year is Woody Guthrie's 100th birthday.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 05:33:56 PM EST
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My granddaughter's name is Zora because of Zora Neal Hurston.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Tue Jul 17th, 2012 at 04:18:38 AM EST
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I think the whole book should be rewritten for dopes.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jul 17th, 2012 at 01:38:50 AM EST
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to Private eye? (whistles innocently)

Private Eye | Official Site

It's at this point, you might have thought, that Mensch - the high-profile scourge of those who abuse people's privacy on the Commons select committee on phone hacking - might have slapped her hand to her forehead and exclaimed: "The ICO! Yes, I remember them!"

As an MP, after all, she's long been obliged to register with the ICO as a processor of personal information. As a social network, Menshn of course needs to do the same - and yet unaccountably it failed to get round to it before launch, as the rules require. Nor, at that point, did it comply with the ICO's rules on cookies or privacy policies.

Not a peep from the company
Menshn has since managed to slap a half-hearted privacy policy and the required warning about cookies on to its site, but it still fails to show up on the ICO registration list. Indeed, an ICO spokesman told the Eye late last week that, ten days after launch, it had not heard a peep from the company.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 09:19:31 PM EST
A typical tory, do as I say, not as I do

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 17th, 2012 at 02:51:31 AM EST
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