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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 11:23:40 AM EST
More dangerous nonsense from Presseurop: The EU, a socialist mummy (Rzeczpospolita, 18 July 2012)
Globally, the EU is becoming less and less economically competitive. Member states have no money to finance officialdom and public spending so they endlessly indebt themselves either internally (Belgium, Germany, Netherlands, France) or externally (Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece).

The EU never reduces its own budget and also demands more funds for its army of eurocrats. The existing mechanisms of the EU's functioning have degenerated, meaning that the union is no longer a promoter of economic growth. The proposed reforms in the shape of closer political integration and debt-sharing and a policy of stimulating growth at the cost of even greater deficit will only increase the army of officials and result in a thousand new regulations that will hinder business even more.

No one wants to remember recent history, when market liberalisation in Poland in 1989 resulted in an unprecedented economic boom. What Europe wants today is socialism, state monopoly over everything, artificial full employment, especially in administration and the public sector, and finally, the rationing of everything.



If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 11:38:46 AM EST
Note: full employment leads to the "rationing of everything". Nice.
by Katrin on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 11:55:16 AM EST
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Let's see what another Polish economist had to say about full employment: Political Aspects of Full Employment by Michal Kalecki (1943).

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 12:22:44 PM EST
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But lets ignore that deregulation an 'reform' have led to mass unemployment. And, especially, let us ignore that the EU needs to impose taxes on those who have money if it is to have a lower deficit.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 12:25:51 PM EST
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Do you use "dangerous nonsense" in its usual meaning or in the usual ironic way of ET? I'm getting confused.

Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 12:04:44 PM EST
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I'm not being ironic.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 12:21:35 PM EST
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Your response is not helping :)

Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 12:46:15 PM EST
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It is not the first or second time I catch Presseurop propagating dangerous nonsense as "the best of the European press".

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 12:47:04 PM EST
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Particularly depressing is the way they equate reforms at the end of Communism with deregulation in democratic countries.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 02:47:18 PM EST
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Migeru:
What Europe wants today is socialism, state monopoly over everything, artificial full employment, especially in administration and the public sector, and finally, the rationing of everything.

Calling that dangerous nonsense doesn't seem to me too ambiguous. Though you could also call it deluded nonsense. Or twaddle.

Presseurop began as a media that would present European press articles in English, but now also writes its own editorials. Both the editorials and the choice of articles to translate seem to have taken a distinctly conservative turn.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 03:44:32 PM EST
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We've finally had the roof fixed after two weeks of going up into the loft to check that the bucket wasn't filling up any further.

Some concrete around the chimney had cracked and a nice 3 cm round hole appeared which, when the wind was in the right direction, allowed the rain to come through in alarming quantities.

As the washing machine died a couple of weeks back, my mum is worried about what the final problem will be (trouble always comes in 3s)

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 11:55:57 AM EST
"The Olympics" is a good bet.
by asdf on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 01:32:15 PM EST
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Gotta love this.  The fracking industry in North America and Europe may face serious shortfalls in drilling suppliers because the monsoon in Rajastan is failing this year.

NYTimes:In Tiny Bean, India's Dirt-Poor Farmers Strike Gas-Drilling Gold

"Without guar, you cannot have fracturing fluids," said Michael J. Economides, a professor of engineering at the University of Houston who is a fracking expert. "And what everybody is worried about is that there is virtually no guar out there now."

India produces about 85 percent of the world's guar. As worries rose about the prospects for this year's monsoon, which is vital for an adequate crop, speculation over guar production built to a frenzy. Trading in guar futures was even suspended, and with the monsoon still behind schedule, it remains postponed. Ramesh Abhishek, India's chief commodities market regulator, said guar trading would resume when supplies proved adequate.



And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 12:15:17 PM EST
Guar at Record May Fail to Boost U.S. Output, Help Halliburton  Bloomberg

Record-high prices for guar, a little-known legume used increasingly to help extract crude oil, may fail to boost U.S. production enough to cut imports or reduce costs for drillers including Halliburton (HAL) Co.

While planting may triple to 50,000 acres this year from 15,000 in 2011, mostly in Texas and Oklahoma, U.S. supply will be dwarfed by the 8.6 million acres that will be sown in India, the world's largest producer, said Calvin Trostle, an agronomist at Texas A&M University. Few U.S. farmers know how to grow guar, which means "cow food" in Hindi, and there is no crop insurance like there is for corn or cotton, he said.

"For guar, there's no government support, there's no insurance program, there's no security from the banking industry," said Klint Forbes, who co-owns West Texas Guar Inc., the largest U.S. processor. "The banks want to grow something where there's no risk. You bring in guar, and there's a learning curve, and there are handling issues. So, it doesn't matter what we offer farmers. They can't afford to plant it because of the risk."

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Halliburton, the world's largest provider of fracking services, cited rising guar costs as a reason that the Houston- based company is seeking higher fees from energy producers. In some cases, the guar-gel system can represent more than 30 percent of the total price to frack a well, Chief Executive Officer Dave Lesar told analysts on an April 18 conference call.

Gaur has already been priced out of its former use as a thickening agent in the food industry.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 12:39:52 PM EST
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Wait until half of all farmland is used to grow crops that the energy companies need to produce their products.  Then people can starve to keep the lights on and drive their cars.
by Marie2 on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 02:08:30 PM EST
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Coming soon to a reality near you.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 08:01:44 PM EST
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Mushy beans with gasoline, sounds like...

Guar Gum    009000-30-0    Thickens the water in order to suspend the sand    Gelling Agent

Petroleum Distillate    064741-85-1    Carrier fluid for guar gum in liquid gels    Gelling Agent

http://fracfocus.org/chemical-use/what-chemicals-are-used

by asdf on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 01:39:00 PM EST
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Ah, yes, cheap and abundant natural gas, thanks to fracking:

Is a natural gas car revolution coming in the U.S.? -- Cleantech News and Analysis

Cheap, abundant natural gas is changing the game for energy in the U.S., and that means a renewed push for natural gas cars. According to Pike Research, there will be a total of 25 million natural gas vehicles on the roads worldwide by 2019, and the amount of natural gas vehicles sold in North America will grow around 10 percent a year between now and 2019. GE estimates there are 15 million natural gas cars globally today, and around 250,000 in the U.S.
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As GigaOM Pro cleantech analyst Adam Lesser wrote earlier this year, all this innovation is all being spurred by super low cost, and abundant natural gas in the U.S. Natural gas dipped below $2 per thousand cubic feet in April, the first time in a decade, driven by the expansion in hydraulic fracking, a mild winter and the fact that the U.S. market is largely closed to outside demand because we cannot yet export natural gas at scale. That makes today's natural gas prices of around $2.40, the same as about $14 per barrel of oil, or $1.50 less per gallon when compared to gasoline.

Cheap and abundant drinking water, on the other hand...

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 02:26:51 PM EST
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by asdf on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 12:32:42 PM EST
bloody hell, a terrorist attack on Israelis in Bulgaria. few details yet

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 12:39:11 PM EST
YNet world news - 7 killed in terror attack on Israeli tourists in Bulgaria

At least seven people were killed and over 20 others injured Wednesday, in a terror attack on a bus carrying Israelis in Burgas, some 400 kilometers east of the Bulgarian capital of Sofia.

Bulgarian media reported that the explosion took place while the bus was still in the terminal of Sarafovo Airport.

Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman has called for a situation assessment following the attack. He was also briefed on the available details by Bulgarian FM Nikolay Mladenov.

h/t volleyboy1 @ dKos

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 12:42:47 PM EST
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And pouncing to control the narrative without evidence once again:
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told reporters that "Iran is responsible for the terror attack in Bulgaria, we will have a strong response against Iranian terror."  Defense Minister Ehud Barak also said Iran, Hezbollah or Hamas could be behind the attack.

More people will remember this assertion as fact regardless of whatever information is developed later just as more continue to accept as fact that Syria shot down a Turkish military jet.

by Marie2 on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 02:18:39 PM EST
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continue to accept as fact that Syria shot down a Turkish military jet
Explain?

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 02:19:24 PM EST
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Maybe she's referencing this report?

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 02:42:29 PM EST
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right...

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 02:47:54 PM EST
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Right -- from Turkey claiming that Syria shot down one of its military jets and Syria denying it, to other various assertions and claims by both parties to this:
But with experts concluding that the aircraft probably crashed due to human error after the pilots failed successively to perform an evasive manoeuvre, it seemed likely that Turkey would still continue to blame the loss of the plane on Syria.

"...continue to blame the loss of the plane on Syria".

Also note the recent silence on this matter from national spokespersons that are eager to depose the Assad regime.  As an American, I'm all too aware of the fact that it's not uncommon for US military jets to crash without being shot down.

by Marie2 on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 05:11:01 PM EST
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The photo accompanying the story, which refers to 'an F4 reconnaissance jet', is definitely not an F4, as defined by US military nomenclature.  

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 08:08:54 PM EST
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Can anyone explain what the German car environmental sticker is please ? I'm planning on a driving visit around Germany and may well cross into the zones and I'm not sure what version I should buy, if any.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 02:08:39 PM EST
If it's the colored one in the windshield, it indicates fine particulate and nitrate emission levels, and vehicles without them are prohibited from entering many city centers.

There can also be further color-based restrictions if it's a bad air day.

Your best bet might be to see if your auto club can tell you which one you need for your car.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 02:17:03 PM EST
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I've got through to an official website which is offering me the choice between a written or printed yellow sticker (my car's a diesel).

I'm also confused because they say they only cost 5 euros, or 11 if bought online, but this site is charging 30 (written) or 40 (printed).

I think I'll wait and talk to the RAC tomorrow

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 02:28:49 PM EST
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Hello!  I trust everyone is fine.

The Olympics will be quite the fiasco, I am afraid.

by stevesim on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 02:27:39 PM EST
Have you only just noticed ?? I am quite confident that I have been suggesting this since we won the damn thing

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 04:04:50 PM EST
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by Magnifico on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 07:33:57 PM EST
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Marshall Auerback: Geithner Lets the Cat Out of the Bag (July 18, 2012)
Michael Kinsley once defined a gaffe as "when a politician tells the truth - some obvious truth he isn't supposed to say."  On that basis, the recent headline that just popped up might well represent a major gaffe of the Kinsley variety by Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner:

GEITHNER SAYS EUROPE CAN'T BE LEFT HANGING ON THE EDGE OF ABYSS

Speaking on CNBC's "Delivering Alpha" conference, the Treasury Secretary argued:

What is very important is that [Eurozone officials] not leave the Continent hanging on the edge of the abyss as a device for getting more leverage for reform, because that leaves the rest of the world much more exposed to financial pressure and slower growth from Europe.
In essence, Geithner is letting the cat out of the bag. He is implying that Europe is hanging on the edge of the abyss. Only Germany can prevent it from falling in, and at the same time it appears that Berlin has now moved into a position where they cannot or will not prevent that disasterous scenario, either for economic or legal reasons.  The decision by Germany's constitutional court to delay its approval of the German Parliament's ratification of the ESM and fiscal compact may be a warning. The court could have moved to approve quickly. Instead, it will not rule on emergency appeals for an interim injunction against the parliamentary approvals until the end of this month. If the court rules in favor of an interim injunction, the final decision on the ESM and fiscal compact may not be made for several months.


If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 02:37:17 PM EST
Is it that Europe is hanging on the edge of abyss, or that politicians are deliberately keeping Europe there to get "leverage for reform" (aka shock therapy)?

Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 19th, 2012 at 06:52:44 AM EST
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My comment yesterday:
Geithner let two cats out of the bag in one sentence. The first, that Europe is hanging on the edge of the abyss. The second, that this is intentional policy intended to gain "leverage for `reform'".

It really is unconscionable what's going on in Europe.



If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 19th, 2012 at 08:36:16 AM EST
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Reuters: Cash-strapped Berlin stalked by 540-year-old debt
A certificate of debt, found in a regional archive, attests that Mittenwalde lent Berlin 400 guilders on May 28 1562, to be repaid with six percent interest per year.

According to Radio Berlin Brandenburg (RBB), the debt would amount to 11,200 guilders today, which is roughly equivalent to 112 million euros ($136.79 million).

Adjusting for compound interest and inflation, the total debt now lies in the trillions, by RBB's estimates.

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"This case shows that debts always catch up with you, no matter how old they are," Nussbaum told the Berliner Zeitung paper.



If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 03:35:02 PM EST
Or no matter who you are?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 04:00:42 PM EST
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Sunt Pacta Servanda?

Then again, there are precedents...

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 04:12:59 PM EST
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Berlin could respond that there is no evidence that the debt has not already been paid. :-)

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 08:13:23 PM EST
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http://coppolacomment.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/the-shoebox-swindle.html?m=1

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 09:48:43 PM EST
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The portal of Spain's official language schools: El Gobierno estudia traspasar a los institutos de Secundaria al profesorado de las Escuelas Oficiales de Idiomas (17 de julio 2012)
Desde hace algún tiempo este asunto había sido planteado por las "autoridades" de la Comunidad de Madrid, que han presionado al Ministerio de Educación para emprender esta reforma. Su idea es que las administraciones atiendan o financien solamente a las enseñanzas básicas, de manera que las restantes, como las de idiomas, se verían privadas de financiación y expuestas al mercado. Así, de paso, además del ahorro y adelgazamiento del Estado (en su sentido amplio), se abre o amplía un nuevo campo de negocio que seguramente alguno de ellos lo estará preparando.

El objetivo de la Comunidad de Madrid parece claro: desviar el profesorado de las EOI a los institutos y a continuación hacer desaparecer o adelgazar hasta el máximo las actuales Escuelas Oficiales de Idiomas. El Ministerio de Educación parece estar de acuerdo con esa pretensión. De esta manera quien quiera estudiar idiomas deberá pagárselo de su bolsillo, lo que servirá, además, para llenar los bolsillos de otros. Y el que no pueda pagar tendrá que hacer lo que dijo recientemente la diputada Fabra.

En definitiva, se trata de limitar el derecho a la enseñanza de los idiomas extranjeros a aquellos que puedan pagárselo.

The government is studying the transfer of teachers from Official Language Schools to Secondary schools (17 july 2012)
For some time this issue had been broached by the "authorities" of the Madrid regional government, who have pressured the Ministry of Education to undertake this reform. Their idea is that public administration caters for basic education, so that the rest, such as languages, would be deprived from funding and exposed to the market. So, incidentally, in addition to the savings and the slimming of the state (in a broad sense), a new field of business that probably some of them have been getting ready for, is opened or expanded.

The goal of the Madrid government seems clear; to shunt the teaching staff form the Official Language Schools to Secondary schools, and then to slim or make disappear the current Official Language Schools. The Ministry of Education seems to agree with this goal. In this way, those wanting to study languages will have to pay it out of pocket, which will serve, in addition, to line the pockets of others. And those who can't pay will have to do what the Parlamentarian Fabra said recently [fuck themselves!].

In sum, it's about limiting the right to the teaching of foreign languages to those who can afford it.

The Official Language Schools provide, among other things, the service of teaching almost every official language of an EU state. The private sector is not going to deliver that.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 03:56:31 PM EST
Swabian is all the vassal states need to know...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jul 18th, 2012 at 05:38:17 PM EST
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