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by dvx Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 11:47:41 AM EST

One of those long hot summer nights.


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The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 11:51:56 AM EST
Most appropos! I knew Wendy from the time she was 16 and already amazing, and I saw her first real gig at the old Ashgrove on Melrose in, IIRCC, 1968. I also remember those long, hot summer nights - when the Santa Anna winds blew, but the nights were not usually too warm for comfort, except when the odd Pacific hurricane ended up coming ashore in north west Mexico and the remnants came up along the Colorado River and made a right hook into the San Fernando Valley from the northeast.

The summer of '68 I was drawing unemployment for one of the few times in my life, as the private school at which I taught only paid us 10 months a year. I could actually live on $67/week, as my rent for an apartment five blocks from the beach in Santa Monica was only $67/month! So I had some time to enjoy those lazy, hazy, crazy days of summer.  

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 12:52:03 PM EST
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keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 12:52:59 PM EST
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Long hot summer afternoon in Toulouse today, 37°.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 02:15:10 PM EST
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eeeek!!!

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 02:26:54 PM EST
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As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 04:42:13 PM EST
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Actually, 37°C was the reading at the met station at the airport. At street level, even in the shade, it was several degrees hotter.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jul 27th, 2012 at 01:42:31 AM EST
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An Arkansas worthy reading! What was the humidity?

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Jul 27th, 2012 at 08:18:38 AM EST
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Not sure, but it was veering to stormy, so not dry heat.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jul 27th, 2012 at 11:00:11 AM EST
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We got about an inch of rain yesterday, starting about 4PM and accompanied by lots of lightning and thunder. The storm brough the temperatures down from about 98F to the low 70s. If we can keep getting an inch or so every week for a few more weeks then at least the grass in the yards and in the pastures will grow. Some farmers might get a second cut of hay and some cattle men may be able to keep a few more cattle as a result. Fire danger is also down, at least temporarily.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Jul 27th, 2012 at 11:12:05 AM EST
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That's happening here now. It looks set to rain all night after thunder and lightning.

The rain will green up the grass. But all the wells around here are going dry.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jul 27th, 2012 at 04:10:53 PM EST
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wow, Japan beat Spain. If Japan's forwards hadn't been so inept it could have been 5 or 6.

UAE beating Uruguay and doing it with a swagger

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 12:30:25 PM EST
Huffington Post


The dustup began Wednesday, as Romney, who ran the 2002 Salt Lake City games, said there were "disconcerting" signs in the days before this year's games.

"The stories about the private security firm not having enough people, the supposed strike of the immigration and customs officials -- that obviously is not something which is encouraging," he told NBC News.

Cameron soon rebuked Romney. "We are holding an Olympic Games in one of the busiest, most active, bustling cities anywhere in the world. Of course, it's easier if you hold an Olympic Games in the middle of nowhere," he said.

by ElaineinNM on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 12:31:14 PM EST
Drat, me beated

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 12:43:13 PM EST
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Cameron may be inept, but his response was cutting (PMQ's are such a good training ground)

Olympics: Mitt Romney seeks to play down London 2012 comments - Telegraph

He went on: "We are holding an Olympic Games in one of the busiest, most active, bustling cities anywhere in the world. Of course it's easier if you hold an Olympic Games in the middle of nowhere."

must have gone down like a cup of cold sick to the Romney party as it's obvious that the Candidate is being slapped about.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 12:44:19 PM EST
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Yup, Cameron gets tested on his wits once a week on PrimeTime TV, RMoney looks inept when he's scripted. It's not gonna be close.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 12:48:02 PM EST
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There are very few American politicians who could handle themselves in a PMQ session.  Clinton could probably do it.  In the right state of mind, Obama can be somewhat witty.

Romney?  Just no.  And Cameron isn't even that good.  Imagine what Blair would do to him.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 03:49:20 PM EST
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blair was quick and witty, he would cut to the chase and you had to be nimble to keep up with him, but Cameron has the sneering public school cruelty which drove that battery acid tinged lunge against the Salt Lake Olympics, something blair never did.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 04:04:05 PM EST
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Twitter / jameschappers: Extraordinary that London ...
Extraordinary that London mayor Boris Johnson invoked Obama's 'yes we can' slogan to mock Romney in front of Hyde Park crowd #mitthitsthefan


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 04:46:10 PM EST
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the trending twitter tag is #Romneyshambles

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 05:34:28 PM EST
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And the boot gets put in from the thick of it

Twitter / Aiannucci: The full #romneyshambles h ...

The full #romneyshambles http://gu.com/p/39amz/tw . Someone hurl him back on a plane and straight out of our airspace, please!


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 05:40:07 PM EST
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Twitter / MattGarrahan: Ouch RT @BBCNewsnight Will ...
Ouch RT @BBCNewsnight Will Romney carry the Olympic torch? "Certainly not after today", says Olympics Minister Hugh Robertson on #newsnight


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 07:23:38 PM EST
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Daily Kos: London's Mayor calls out Mitt Romney by name for his Olympic criticism

From the conservative news site Hot Air:

If you'd asked me last week how I saw Mitt's big foreign policy trip playing out, having him name-checked as a naysaying stooge before a huge crowd at the start of the Olympics -- by a Tory, no less -- would not have popped to mind. It's like a scene from a lost "Naked Gun" movie in which Frank Drebin runs for president.


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 07:57:21 PM EST
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Twitter / GuidoFawkes: Last word on #Romneyshambl ...
Last word on #Romneyshambles: the enormous SUV he arrived in to Parliament y'day had "Maryland - War of 1812" on registration plate. [1/2]


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Jul 27th, 2012 at 06:53:18 AM EST
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Amazing...
Q8:  Why was the War of 1812 license plate developed?

A8: The new license plate was created and designed by Maryland's War of 1812 Bicentennial Commission to commemorate the state's history and unique contributions to the defense and heritage of the nation, including the pivotal clash that ensured American victory, an iconic flag, and our national anthem, The Star-Spangled Banner.



If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 27th, 2012 at 06:56:33 AM EST
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This is the best!  Funniest bunch of tweets tonight.
by jjellin on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 07:30:45 PM EST
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Hey, you don't have to be a sneering (British) public-school shit to come up with a response like that.  I loved it because it sounded like something I'd say -- except mine would've obviously included references to cultists, child weddings, and inbreeding, and a lot of profanity.

And he's right, after all.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 09:39:14 PM EST
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Apparently Mittens had a little trouble with Ed Miliband too, calling him "Mr Leader".

Good comment on it:

His program failed to load leader_name and defaulted to Mr. Leader.

Or maybe he thought Miliband's first name was Labour?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 09:56:06 PM EST
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Blair isn't an Etonian, so he doesn't have the particularly obnoxious bullying style which is the finest educational achievement of that estimable establishment, but he did develop his own little line in bullying. With a smile.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jul 27th, 2012 at 01:51:14 AM EST
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His base doesn't care.  They are voting against Obama and their fears... of blacks, of gun control, of taxes and so on.  They don't read; faux news tells them everything they need to know, so they probably won't even see this article. They don't even care about the Bain stuff. No problem electing a possible felon...

I would think that his campaign handlers and the party moderates (are there any) must be in a panic, though.  

I'm not convinced that Obama is going to have an easy win.  The right is pretty riled up and they vote.

by ElaineinNM on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 01:04:50 PM EST
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Mitt Rmoney is in london, apparently channeling Toby Young, losing friends and alienating people. He really had to go some to upset the Telegraph, but they opine...

"Mitt Romney is perhaps the only politician who could start a trip that was supposed to be a charm offensive by being utterly devoid of charm and mildly offensive.

His derisory comments questioning Britain's preparedness for the Olympics in an interview with NBC were a strange way to build bridges with a country that he says should be restored as the umbilical ally of the United States, and a strange way to demonstrate the persuasive qualities needed as leader of the free world."

He is now claiming he has met the head of MI6, which is the equivalent of Ed Miliband claiming he'd been briefed by the head of the NSA. Not. Gonna. Happen. But hey, good luck with that.

He's also miffed David Cameron with a slur on the UK's readiness for the Olympics, who responded with "We are holding an Olympic Games in one of the busiest, most active, bustling cities anywhere in the world.Of course it's easier if you hold an Olympic Games in the middle of nowhere."

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 12:41:28 PM EST
quotes c/o various dKos diaries

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 12:41:53 PM EST
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I have this thought that a meeting with the head of MI6 is a really subtle insult, its something that looks like an opportunity, but anyone with any brains knows they aren't supposed to talk about it. Of course if you're someone with an enormous sense of entitlement it's going to be like bait and you're going to say I saw him.

The Insult is that  everyone who's really anyone is far too busy  at the moment to spend any real time with you, and you're just getting met out of politeness, so you're thrown of to the important sounding figurehead/appointee.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 06:52:37 PM EST
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Romney is an example of the limitations of drone technology.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Jul 27th, 2012 at 10:33:44 AM EST
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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 12:46:45 PM EST
Haven't seen this posted yet. Hope they really go after each other.

Monsanto-DuPont Trial Over Roundup-Ready Crops to Start - Bloomberg

DuPont Co. (DD)'s Pioneer seed unit said in 2005 it would make herbicide-tolerant soybeans and corn within five years to challenge the dominance of seeds with Monsanto Co.'s widely licensed Roundup Ready trait.

According to Monsanto, DuPont couldn't live up to that pledge and added Monsanto's technology to its experimental seeds, in violation of licensing agreements between the companies. The world's largest seed company sued DuPont in 2009, accusing its biggest competitor of patent infringement and breaching the 2002 contracts. DuPont countersued. A jury trial is set to begin today in Monsanto's hometown of St. Louis.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 01:26:34 PM EST
I have a friend who works for a company in LA who want to post a BBC link to their site. However, the video won't work in US and she contacted me wondering if they ever posted to youtube. I don't think they do but is there a way of doing it so that it can be viewed internationally, or spoofed and copied ?

Anyway, this is the link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18978352

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 02:33:55 PM EST


If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.
by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 02:51:23 PM EST
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How might that work ? Outline, not detail. they have a subsidiary in UK

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 03:02:58 PM EST
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Without proxy: Computer (user) contacts server in US (company) that asks for video from BBC server in UK. Request denied as it comes from the US.

With proxy: Computer (user) contacts server in US (company) that asks server in UK (proxy, in this case owned by the same company) that asks for video from BBC server in UK. Request accepted as it comes from the UK.

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 03:43:38 PM EST
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thank you

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 04:00:34 PM EST
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Do note that deliberately fiddling your way around an IP-block may or may not be legal according to British, American and/or international copyright rules. Touch base with your company lawyers before doing it.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 04:14:34 PM EST
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fortunately it's not my company, so that's up to them and their lawyers

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 04:30:15 PM EST
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Reply from LA : Awesome !!!

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 05:33:47 PM EST
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There's an easy way to copy video+sound straight off the screen: I use iShowU on the mac. I'm sure there are similar apps for other systems. So - if you can watch it, you can record it.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Jul 27th, 2012 at 10:38:12 AM EST
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Guardian - Zoe Williams - Pro-wind. Anti-wind. It's all so depressingly irrelevant

The UK is the Saudi Arabia of wind, and the other countries of Europe laugh at us. We come fifth in terms of installed capacity and seventh in terms of the amount of power we get from it. Germany, Spain, Italy et al don't mock us because we're lagging at something they're making such a success of - we lag at everything - but because we should be winning so effortlessly.

Yet the outlook remains mixed for UK renewables, which is market speak for "screwed"; subsidies have been cut, albeit only by 10% rather than the proposed quarter. It's up for grabs again in a year. The coalition covers the whole spectrum of belief on the environment, from climate change denier to deep green. It is impossible to predict who'll be in the ascendant next year or even next week. All you can say for certain is that this must be the worst system imaginable for the long-term planning of a nation's energy needs: hand the decision over to a group whose only uniting principle is that they want to keep their seats in parliament.

Subsidies command a huge proportion of the wind conversation, despite the fact that the wind industry itself looks forward to a time when it doesn't need them ("what self-respecting business wouldn't?" asked Robert Norris, head of communications at Renewables UK). The anti-windies complain bitterly about subsidies, which came to £0.7bn in 2010, according to the Department of Energy and Climate Change. That same year, according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, oil, gas and coal received £3.6bn, while nuclear, from figures released by the Nuclear Decommissioning Authority, will cost £2bn in decommissioning between 2012 and 2015.

So we have these other sources that are either depleting or damaging the environment or, let's face it, both, and we plough seven times as much into them as we do this energy that will ultimately be free. It just doesn't make sense, except in the context of a conversation that is totally irrational.



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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 02:41:42 PM EST
The Economist: The origins of money, and saving the euro (July 25th 2012)
One way to think about the euro's future is to look at its past, and to go back to the origins of money. There are two leading schools of thought about this. The first was set out 120 years ago in a paper* by Austrian economist Karl Menger. In Menger's theory buyers and sellers agree on a common commodity to use as the medium of exchange. Something small, valuable and divisible is best. It helps if it doesn't rot. Gold, spices and shells are all good examples. This money is highly "saleable" so everyone accepts it, and this means that traders don't face the costs associated with barter (the time spent having to scout around looking for the rare person that both wants what you have, and has what you want).

...

The second theory places great emphasis on the role of government, as Charles Goodhart explains in a 1998 paper. This group--the Cartalists, who Mr Goodhart refers to as the "C team"--argue that currencies become money due to the active involvement of the state. Examples include setting up a mint to produce coins, demanding taxes are paid in state money, and stamping notes with the head of state's image. And while the M-theory is backed by history's superstar economists (Locke, Jevons) the C-theory has much stronger evidence based in anthropology and history.

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The logical conclusion from this is not a new idea: the euro area needs greater fiscal integration. But the reason is different. It is not because Greece and Spain spoiled a perfect plan with their profligacy. It is because the euro enshrines the divorce of fiscal and monetary power. If you are a member of Mr Goodhart's C team this never made sense in the first place.

With links to writings by Menger and Goodhart.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 02:46:30 PM EST
Menger's "theory" (sic) is Yet Another Example of the idiotic late 19th Century to Make Shit Up.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 03:02:41 PM EST
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Actually, make that late 18th century tradition of making shit up. It goes back at least to Adam Smith.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 04:16:11 PM EST
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It was quite common in the 18th Century and earlier even for people whom we esteem as significant figures in intellectual history to provide origins in point of thought. Today we call these products 'just so' stories.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 04:52:35 PM EST
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Speaking of 19th century theories. I read a fantastic piece in an really old issue of Nature explaining "the white race of Palestine" where different explanations where presented. The author could conclusively show that it most be descendants from crusaders as they are noble, trustworthy, etc with and all other qualities we see in Englishmen.

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 04:54:58 PM EST
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A 19th century 'anthropologist' upon seeing a Neanderthal scull opined that it might be from a degenerate mongoloid specimen.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 11:40:07 PM EST
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I remember seeing a book by the founder of the Scout movement, Lord Baden-Powell, written around the turn of the last century. It was to explain to Scouts how to be a jolly good chap and all that. One section was pretty much about the White Man's Burden. It had an illustration showing a noble athletic white guy in shorts, shoulders back, chest out, beside a near-crouching simian black guy with a very low forehead and a challenged expression. The caption was "A man and a man".
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jul 27th, 2012 at 02:02:15 AM EST
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The 1998 Goodhart article, which I'd read before, is an excellent piece of economic history.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jul 27th, 2012 at 10:44:01 AM EST
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