Tuesday Open Thread

by afew Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 12:03:42 PM EST

Chit-chat Corner

Tuesday Open Thread | 63 comments (63 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0)

This is not fb, no rip-offs.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 12:04:28 PM EST

Gratuitious offshore wind pic (4.00 / 5)

From Stunning aerial views of Sheringham Shoal Offshore Wind Farm

Wind power

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 12:26:35 PM EST

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I thought you tried to avoid straight lines these days

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 12:36:05 PM EST
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Re: Gratuitious offshore wind pic (4.00 / 3)

Gratuitous transformer platform pic, one of two on the project.

For those keeping score:
* Owned by Norwegian Statoil and Statkraft
* Turbines: Siemens 3.6, 105m rotor dia.
* 317 MWs, or 220,000 homes/yr.
* 11 ships for construction, cabling and transport
* Project fun videos HERE

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 03:53:49 PM EST
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Whoops, brain lock, 107m rotor diameter.

The 88 WTs themselves cost €450M, or €5.1M per, €1.4M/MW, with production planned at 1.1 TWh/yr. Foundations, cabling, and various and sundry development costs, financing and margins are extra.

Don't forget to get certified for offshore activity, it only takes a week, and you too can hang out at the construction hotel ship, with full internet and catering, and if you want a relaxing dive...

forget it, those guys doing risky scour protection and foundation/cabling monitoring are awesome.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 04:11:03 PM EST
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Re: Gratuitious offshore wind pic (4.00 / 5)

How about a gratuitous photo of a couple of banners deployed at the Hobet Mine in West Virginia, USA. The protesters on the rock hauler are locked to it with chains and a locking device. What a great vacation I had.

by Mentatmark (mentatmark at gmail dot com) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 06:48:11 PM EST
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Shut down the universities:

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_31/07/2012_454744

A bill paving the way for the government to close down dozens of universities as a way of reducing public spending caused rifts within socialist PASOK on Tuesday when a parliamentary committee convened to debate the draft legislation.
Former health minister Andreas Loverdos boycotted the session but in a letter sent to MPs he called for the new bill to be revoked or voted down. In his letter, Loverdos called the new bill «anti-educational» and said that it violated democratic legislative procedures.

by Upstate NY on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 12:40:12 PM EST

Wow (none / 1)

I didn't think PASOK had anybody left who would vote on principle.

Pool on how fast they kick him out of the party?

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 12:53:31 PM EST
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Re: Wow (4.00 / 5)

"I didn't think PASOK had anybody left"

Pretty soon, the first part of your phrase will be more apt.

by Upstate NY on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 01:25:46 PM EST
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Re: Tuesday Open Thread (4.00 / 3)

There are still good news occasionally: a case of successful re-socialisation:

Olympia 2012: Von der Wall Street aufs Rennrad - Olympia 2012 - FAZ		Olympics 2012: From Wall Street racing again - Olympia 2012 - FAZ
28.07.2012 · Ein Jahrhunderttalent: Die Amerikanerin Evelyn Stevens war vor drei Jahren noch Bankerin. Dann begann ihr neues Leben. Nun kann sie sogar Olympiasiegerin werden		28/07/2012 · A talent of the century: Three years ago American Evelyn Stevens was a banker. Then began her new life. Now she can even become Olympic champion

by Katrin on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 12:46:57 PM EST

Helen's Tour of German Beer (none / 1)

Right, just a few (very) soft dates as I hope to be seeing some of you in the next couple of weeks

3rd August - Leaving UK, visiting friend's boat on French canals (nr Paris).

6th - Heading to cologne (sadly I'm missing dvx who is on the wrong side of the pond, but I'll make do :-))

8th - ~~Bremen~~ drat CH not there !! Hamburg to hopefully see Karin and the model railway exhibition.
If not, Berlin.

12/13th Bamberg. (I may be some time)

16th/17th (Wife of) Bath House

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 01:00:21 PM EST

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Hamburg to hopefully see Karin and the model railway exhibition.

Photos please!

12/13th Bamberg.

Will you travel to Bayreuth or whereabouts, too?

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 01:24:47 PM EST
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She can't afford a hotel there during the festival....

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 01:26:00 PM EST
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Hmmm, visit Bamberg, home of one of the world's greatest beers waiting to be drunk in a tremendous archetypal german beer hall

or Bayreuth, with a few people caterwauling some opera stuff or other.

Man, that was almost a tough decision

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 01:54:53 PM EST
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Re: Helen's Tour of German Beer (4.00 / 2)

Well, I wouldn't know as I'm neither into beer nor operas, I'm into rail :-) On that account, there is nothing in Bayreuth itself, but there are two legendary lines in its region (the Schiefe Ebene climb to the north and the Pegnitz valley line to the south), with railway museums near the ends of both, at Neuenmarkt-Wirsberg resp. Nuremberg. At the latter, you could see stuff like the first steam loco to pass 200 km/h, which was beaten (or not) by the Mallard.

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 02:11:07 PM EST
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Re: Helen's Tour of German Beer (4.00 / 2)

Any working steam ?

As I've mentioned here before, I remember reading an article about steam engines on the Chicago - Minneapolis route where a driver wrote of one particular loco a comment about "the rear springs are very rough at 125". Whilst the Mallard probably did get up to 126 mph (202 kph) for about 100 metres, I always felt these spot speeds, especially when taken on a very steep downhill slope after a long run up, were pretty dishonest.

so it was hardly a surprise to see that an engine with about twice the power of Mallard had cruised at 125, even hauling 1000 tons.

And what an engine which incorporated all of the ideas of La Porta, Chapelon & Wardale could do ...?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 02:24:31 PM EST
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It would be a tough decision for me.

But only if I had free tickets for Bayreuth.

_{It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue
- Queen Elizabeth II}

by eurogreen on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 03:32:51 AM EST
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Re: Helen's Tour of German Beer (none / 1)

You could always stop in Kassel for

dOCUMENTA 13

Artaud's Cave; Javier Tellez

About dOCUMENTA (13)
The thirteenth edition of documenta involves more than 300 participants. The exhibition in Kassel is presented at eight main venues, with many other projects located at sites throughout the center of the city. Over the coming weeks an extensive program of lectures, seminars, congresses, films, and poetry readings, as well as a writers' residency and programs initiated by dOCUMENTA (13) participants, will be presented.
dOCUMENTA (13) is physically and conceptually sited in four locations--Kassel, Kabul, Alexandria/Cairo, and Banff.
dOCUMENTA (13) is dedicated to artistic research and forms of imagination that explore commitment, matter, things, embodiment, and active living in connection with, yet not subordinated to, theory. These are terrains where politics are inseparable from a sensual, energetic, and worldly alliance between current research in various scientific and artistic fields and other knowledges, both ancient and contemporary. dOCUMENTA (13) is driven by a holistic and non-logocentric vision that is skeptical of the persisting belief in economic growth. This vision is shared with, and recognizes, the shapes and practices of knowing of all the animate and inanimate makers of the world, including people. (C. Christov-Bakargiev)
Visiting dOCUMENTA (13)
We recommend you spend at least two days in Kassel to experience dOCUMENTA (13), in its many locations and forms. Tickets are available to purchase on site at dOCUMENTA (13) ticket outlets and information centers. These are located at the Hauptbahnhof, Friedrichsplatz, and the Orangerie. Tickets provide you with access to all venues and most events associated with the public program. Exhibition tickets also provide free access to the d13 busline, a service offered to visitors to conveniently link all the venues.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 01:35:21 PM EST
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Hmmm, sounds arty to me. I frankly confess to be being something of a philistine when it comes to the arts.

I can appreciate nice pictures in art galleries and stuff and statues are ok, but if it gets any more intense than that, it goes right over my head.

I once visited the Tate modern with a friend of mine who understands all this stuff, so he was explaining the pieces to me and their context, which was genuinely interesting. but without a guide to spoon feed me what to think, I'm out of my depth.

Sorry.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 02:00:47 PM EST
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One of the world's premier art shows, if not the. but it happens every five years, so there's time to visit. ;-))

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 03:12:36 PM EST
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Re: Helen's Tour of German Beer (none / 0)

Sven's yer man for that methinks

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 03:24:35 PM EST
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Re: Helen's Tour of Art (4.00 / 2)

The visual fine arts are not a puzzle - you don't have to work out what the artist 'intended'. Most artists don't really know themselves. Whatever you think and feel is valid. The only request is that you are present with the artwork - reproductions are not une pipe.

Sure, historical context and cultural knowledge help when experiencing artworks outside of your own time and culture.

Why do you enjoy certain types of music and not others? Does a favourite piece of music have meaning that you must discover? Or does it just resonate with your unique experience?

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 04:22:44 PM EST
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It's a valid point and I'm not sure how I can answer it. Music always had emotional resonance for me, there was depth and nuance in how I responded to it, even from a young age and long before I ~~imagined~~ deluded myself as Jimi's replacement.

But art ? A picture was always just a picture to me. And modern art was just...stuff

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 04:51:05 PM EST
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Re: Helen's Tour of Art (4.00 / 4)

As i had to learn, eyes can be trained like ears. helps if the brain gets out of the way.

my ears are good, i can hear between the notes, and all shades around them. but i needed visually oriented girlfriends to get me to see better. at least i was awake enough to seek them out.

i can even hear when the angle of attack on a rotor blade is not right, but i couldn't tell the difference between green. although i'm better now.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 05:09:13 PM EST
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I sometimes wonder whether I'm getting it or not.

There is a watershed for me, somewhere around the middle of the 20th century. Instinctively I am in tune with earlier stuff. After that, it's very hit and miss.

It's not mere familiarity, but the fact that I was exposed to it young, and am at least vaguely familiar with the historical and intellectual context, I suppose. I take every opportunity to expose my offspring to the modern stuff, and I suspect they get it much better than me. Or perhaps they are faking it to please their dad. In any case, they are not always waiting for me in the shop.

_{It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue
- Queen Elizabeth II}

by eurogreen on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 03:55:12 AM EST
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You're not alone. Working in both commercial media and 'fine' art, I see no real difference between them (today) except for the different business models and status of the practitioners ;-)

The intentions are the same: to sell stuff to a target group by manipulating their sensory behaviour.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 08:26:56 AM EST
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The intentions are the same: to sell stuff to a target group by manipulating their sensory behaviour.

Nope.

You've been brainwashed by the 'Everything is a market and markets are everything' fallacy.

You should try hanging out with people who are creative for other reasons. :)

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 08:48:18 AM EST
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Please give me an example of other reasons....

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 09:59:04 AM EST
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What Veblen called "the instinct of workanship"?

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 10:00:15 AM EST
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I presume you meant 'workmanship' - and there is a big difference between the traditional roles of artisan and artist. To apply art is different from exploring art.

If aesthetics is a "critical reflection on art, culture and nature," it's important to realize that aesthetics not only encompasses beauty (whatever that is) but also ugliness, comedy and tragedy (whatever they are).

I would probably have to own up to being an aesthetic realist.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Aug 3rd, 2012 at 05:35:14 PM EST
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If you fail to see creativity in applied arts then I can't help you.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:40:44 AM EST
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I didn't say that. I have worked often in what might be broadly called applied arts, though these days it's more of a hobby. Applied visual arts are far more 'creative' today than visual fine arts, because the visual fine artist has a marginalized role in society. Do we need them anymore?

The invention of photography usurped the figurative demands made of the painter and almost certainly forced them to explore what the camera could not, at that time, accomplish. Exploring light (Impressionism), exploring space and surface (Cubism) and the metapainting of Pointillism or the Hyperpainting of Surrealism. (This is in broad strokes).

Post-War, painters started to explore the physical medium itself (e.g. Pollock) and then the spacial situations in which art was perceived - beyond the frame, as it were. Until Pop Art, which finally admitted that applied art (TV, movies, ads - the visual clutter around us) had opened a dialogue with the fine arts in which fine and applied influenced each other as the boundaries between them dissolved.

That dissolution was completed once we all went online. It was the shift from analogue to digital, where original and copy became indistinguishable. Fine Art was museified and out in an isolated niche, and thus started trundling toward its end. Fine artists are as relevant as priests or ostlers in today's culture. It's not surprising because the infrastructure that produced good fine artists has largely disappeared. I was amazed to find that a Helsinki Art School no longer taught life drawing; yet this is one of the best ways to learn the fine muscular coordination between surface, medium, hand and eye that makes it possible to make marks on a surface that appear exactly as intended.

Rehearsal is vital. The musician wants to produce a note as intended, a dancer a move as intended. Rehearsal is what is currently missing from the merged fine/applied arts. Or rather, the Intertubez are filled with rehearsal. Where once perhaps only the music teacher's cat had to listen to the tentative screeching of a child playing their first violin, now we can all experience the agony of every rehearsal.

I'm all for it. I want people to feel that the act of (visual) creativity is satisfying, and that we can all do it, if we try. But I also know that good works will only come after much rehearsal, so it's important to be tolerant and encouraging.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:16:25 PM EST
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Re: Helen's Tour of Art (none / 0)

Sent you an email.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 10:15:02 AM EST
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Re: Helen's Tour of German Beer (4.00 / 3)

" dOCUMENTA (13) is driven by a holistic and non-logocentric vision that is skeptical of the persisting belief in economic growth. This vision is shared with, and recognizes, the shapes and practices of knowing of all the animate and inanimate makers of the world, including people. (C. Christov-Bakargiev)"

The head of the european offshore wind research program from Frauenhofer Inst. lives in Kassel, and invited me to visit. I've always wanted to go to dOCUMENTA. i hope i find or make the time and means before it ends.

A day ticket on me to the first person who finds a photo of a water wave installed in a meadow.

i've been watching confidential videos of blade installations offshore, which not only are driving me nuts, but make me think J is financing industrial art that won't yet be recognized for a while.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 05:00:31 PM EST
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Re: Helen's Tour of German Beer (4.00 / 6)

You mean like this?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 05:05:00 PM EST
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Less than 4 minutes, we have a winner! Impressive.

(i was trying to find that photo all night, to use as the image that dOCUMENTA art is not about paintings.)

This world hurts so bad, and waves in a meadow don't hurt so much.

SO, who's the artist?

Please post your IBAN numbers, or tell me when you're arriving, to collect your prize. I'd send you euros, but you're somewhere else.

Wow.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 05:14:51 PM EST
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Re: Helen's Tour of German Beer (4.00 / 6)

Crazy Horse:

Please post your IBAN numbers

Are you a Nigerian businesswoman?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 01:27:54 AM EST
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Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0)

Apparently yahoo have "improved" their email service and now a lot of people seem to have been locked out of their accounts.

B'stards

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 01:16:42 PM EST

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Me, too...

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 01:22:43 PM EST
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With the accept/don't accept spying on you terms, at first it reminded me of this:

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 01:26:48 PM EST
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So I'll be using my gmail account for a bit. Text me if you need it

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 01:23:04 PM EST
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ah, it's back

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 02:02:14 PM EST
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Oh. I have just sent you an e-mail--and you can't log in to see it?

by Katrin on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 02:38:50 PM EST
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I can log in now, but nothing's arrived from you yet

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 02:50:23 PM EST
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check the spelling of the first word. It throws people

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 02:50:58 PM EST
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checked, checked again and tried again. Have you received anything?

by Katrin on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 03:06:28 PM EST
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try the alt address

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 03:09:10 PM EST
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Actually, I haven't received an email since I logged in. Can someone send me a test please ?

Alt email : helenwaldie58 at gmail dot com

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 03:08:26 PM EST
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done

by Katrin on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 03:13:16 PM EST
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and replied

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 03:24:53 PM EST
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and, naturally, the yahoo email arrives....

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 03:25:31 PM EST
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Helen:

B'stards

You mean Saint-Lopards.

Purely by chance I managed to see several episodes of the great Rik Mayall vehicle The New Statesman, subtitled in French, in the early nineties. I must look up the show to see if they are really as good as it seemed at the time.

Often, the subtitles were better than the original. Saint-Lopard is much better than B'stard.

_{It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue
- Queen Elizabeth II}

by eurogreen on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 03:41:17 AM EST
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Yes, I wonder if it would. Especially as Osborne is practically Alan B'Stard incarnate.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 05:21:15 AM EST
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Paxman's Bible comments 'offensive' - Yahoo! News UK

Comments by Jeremy Paxman in which he called the Bible's book of Genesis "hogwash" during an edition of Newsnight have been ruled offensive by the BBC Trust.
The no-nonsense presenter - known for his robust style - also referred to those with a literal belief in the Old Testament as "stupid people".
The Trust's Editorial Standards Committee decided the terms were offensive to some parts of the audience and there was "no clear editorial purpose" for their use.

Hogwash.

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 01:22:28 PM EST

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The pople who comprise the BBC trust tend to be god botherers, so they're always going to be biased against people who point out the obvious.

I believe that Paxo will treat their verdict with the contempt it deserves

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 03:31:54 PM EST
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Deep Thought (none / 0)

I guess tech support is out of the qestion today.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 01:29:30 PM EST

Re: Deep Thought (none / 1)

passes large hammer threaten it with that

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 01:36:50 PM EST
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Re: Deep Thought (4.00 / 3)

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 02:22:12 PM EST
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Re: Deep Thought (4.00 / 7)

Well, they turned Northern India off today. It's the turning back on again that's appearing to be an issue.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 02:26:11 PM EST
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Re: Deep Thought (4.00 / 2)

Obama should call Singh and ask if he's tried unplugging the grid for 30 seconds and plugging it back in.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 04:48:52 PM EST
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Capacitance is a bitch.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 05:02:05 PM EST
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perhaps they need to press this

http://make-everything-ok.com/

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 08:07:51 AM EST
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Re: Deep Thought (4.00 / 6)

No time for tech support.

I'm 100% busy at the leading edge of technology so as to be able to expand the possibilities of human/computer symbiosis.

So if you think you've got problems NOW, just wait!