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Wednesday Open Thread

by afew Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 11:32:30 AM EST

Heading into the sleepy hollow of the summer vacation time


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WAKE UP!
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 11:33:02 AM EST
Quiet, you're scaring the wind turbines.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 12:26:49 PM EST
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Guardian - Simon Jenkins - Eurozone crisis: the bankers are happy to play Nero as Europe burns

This so-called crisis is being run by and for banks. They were burned by the credit crunch, by their own reckless lending to a housing bubble and to spendthrift governments. Declaring themselves too big to fail, they demanded policies whose sole virtue was to see their loans secured, at whatever cost to the European economy. They do not want a collapse of even a part of the euro, as that would jeopardise their balance sheets.

Like established power down the ages, political leaders are imprisoned in fighting old wars with dodgy allies. European policy is still spooked by the ghost of 1970s inflation, a ghost the euro under German leadership was supposed to exorcise. As it is, politicians dare not stimulate demand, boost consumption or expand employment. They dare not inject real liquidity into the real economy. They take advice from banks, but that advice is to bail out banks, directly or indirectly. They behave as if they alone hold the golden key to Europe's recovery, but they don't.

European leaders are in thrall to the profession of high finance. They are ruling a continent now in a recession whose depth and longevity does not seem to concern them. They are devastating an entire generation of Europeans and for no good reason. People may love circuses, but soon or later they will demand bread.

This is the second article by Jenkins on this theme in the last month and, by george I think he's getting it. Which is surprising cos even 6 months ago he was pouring out the ritual neolib kool aid

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 11:51:59 AM EST
Extra bonus quote

Saving the common currency in its present form means that a fifth of the population of Greece and Spain are now unemployed. This is awful. The policy is not making workers more efficient, it is making them not work. It is an attack by economics on society of Neronian savagery, one unequalled in intellectual vacuity since the gold standard and the Great Depression.

The policy backwash is affecting even Britain, this week told it faces triple-dip recession, whatever that is. There is no point to this. The confidence that the policy is supposed to inject into the Spanish and Italian bond market is glaringly absent. The growth it is supposed to restore is absent too. Europe outside Germany is wallowing in a liquidity trap, starved of cash in circulation. Even Germany must soon run dry of outlets for its goods.



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 11:53:08 AM EST
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Helen:
Which is surprising cos even 6 months ago he was pouring out the ritual neolib kool aid

This might have something to do with this:

Eurozone crisis: the bankers are happy to play Nero as Europe burns | Simon Jenkins | Comment is free | The Guardian

The policy backwash is affecting even Britain, this week told it faces triple-dip recession, whatever that is.

Funny how your thinking gets sharper when it's hitting home...

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 09:32:19 AM EST
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If you have the patience listen to Max Keyser's interview of Michael Hudson on this subject.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 09:45:41 PM EST
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Overheard today in Cortona:

Campaigner asks two tourists to sign a petition against illegal drugs. Reply: "But we like illegal drugs"....

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 12:59:57 PM EST
http://www.b3ta.com/board/10816436

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 01:35:44 PM EST
Excellent. Wicker Man-tastic

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 01:39:26 PM EST
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and theyre having fun with boris suspended by cables too

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 01:59:34 PM EST
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London 2012: how the Olympics suckered the Left

The London Olympics are the most Right-wing major event in Britain's modern history. Billions of pounds are taken from poor and middle-income taxpayers and service users to build temples to a corporate and sporting elite. Democratic, grassroots sport is stripped of money to fund the most rarefied sport imaginable. The police and the state are turned into the enforcement arm of Coca-Cola [...]

Not just the Games itself, but many other parts of their own city, are sealed off from them. Some of them are evicted and their houses destroyed; others find overnight and without warning that their homes are to be converted into military missile sites, so terrorist planes can be made to kill ordinary Londoners instead of Olympic luminaries. Protestors against any of this are arrested and detained on the flimsiest of pretexts. Almost every promise ever made by the organisers - from the budget to the `greenest games ever,' from the number of jobs that will be created to the number of new houses that will be built - turns out to be false.

The Left should be up in arms about the Olympics, as should any democrat. But as it turns out, all it takes is a few nurses dancing round beds, some coloured lights spelling out the words NHS and we all go weak at the knees and collapse into the IOC's embrace ....

by das monde on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 11:46:22 AM EST
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http://www.probonoeconomics.com/

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 02:01:30 PM EST
For a minute thee I thought it read "probe on economics", involving people making evidence based judgements on the idiocies of the day. (Above and beyond what happens here)

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 02:39:23 PM EST
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Now here's an interesting question.

A diary on dKos is asking seriously, "Does Romney have early stage Alzheimers?", using examples of his behaviour, to question if there's more than just campaign amnesia going on.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 02:37:52 PM EST
I'd say confirmation Bias and Wishful thinking, But then I often worry that thas popping up when I'm looking at Murdoch

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 02:55:12 PM EST
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Wall Street Strategist Has Only Met One Person Who Thinks Romney Is Going To Win

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/dan-greenhaus-has-only-met-one-person-who-thinks-romney-is-going-to-w in-2012-8#ixzz22Lj21cQA

This is a little hard to believe (just 1!?) but surveys have generally shown that Wall Street money managers (with whom Greenhaus generally meets) think that Obama will win, even if they overwhelmingly would prefer Romney.

The difference between Obama and Romney is that with Romney things would predictably get dramatically worse quickly, while with Obama the timing will be less predictable.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 09:52:20 PM EST
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From the article:
most of the country still doesn't know who the latter is, including the guy who assaulted his wife when he saw a picture of her and Romney, thinking she was having an affair since the husband had no idea who Romney was.
This would never have happened with Bill Clinton - I mean the part about not knowing who he was.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 10:48:16 PM EST
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It is not impossible, merely difficult, to imagine Romney in a situation such as Clinton had with Monica Lewinsky. Romney doesn't have anything close to Clinton's charisma, especially in that regard, regardless of what some ignorant, deranged husband may have imagined. My sense is that Romney has definite need for his 'magic underwear' and Mormon cultural sanctions. No Jack Mormon he.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 01:41:41 PM EST
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Eiffel Tower goes green - Telegraph
The Eiffel Tower will start making its own electricity and hot water by the end of 2013 in an attempt to reduce the "Iron Lady's" carbon footprint.

A €25 million (£19.7m) renovation of the Paris landmark is expected to improve the tower's energy performance by 30 per cent.

Solar panels and small, vertical wind and hydraulically-powered turbines will be installed on the tower's first platform 187 feet above the ground.

The new power generators will not be visible from the ground, or change the tower's famous silhouette.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 03:38:20 PM EST
What an eyesore!

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!
by A swedish kind of death on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 03:54:24 PM EST
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it's OK, they are only keeping it up for a year or two :)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 04:30:54 PM EST
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Isn't that (or rather 20 years) what they said when they built it in the first place?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 10:45:50 PM EST
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Typical of French bureaucratic red tape causing administrative lag.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 01:16:08 AM EST
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And the London eye (Previously known as the Millenium Wheel) "Only got planning permission for two years", "definitely coming down afterwards"

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 09:39:19 AM EST
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cartoon/2012/aug/01/1?CMP=twt_gu

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 03:44:36 PM EST
For ATinNM



"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 07:31:47 PM EST
Nailed Albuquerque alright.

"We're here for the commodification of Indian culture."

LOL

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 08:16:17 PM EST
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Dylan's mention of Shakespeare raises a question. The playwright's final work was called The Tempest, and some have already asked: Is Dylan's Tempest intended as a last work by the now 71-year-old artist? Dylan is dismissive of the suggestion. "Shakespeare's last play was called The Tempest. It wasn't called just plain Tempest. The name of my record is just plain Tempest. It's two different titles."

From Rolling Stone

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 08:02:12 PM EST
Dylan incurred great anger the other day when playing the Vieilles Charrues festival in Brittany. Not a word to the crowd, offhand attitude to the songs, sloppy performance.

My personal long-held view is that all his good stuff (and the motivation that made it so) was over and done with by the early '70s, and he should stop taking people's money for old rope.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 01:12:24 AM EST
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tbh, without thinking too deeply about it, I can't think of any pop people whose best, most influential, work was reserved for their 30s and beyond

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 01:37:58 AM EST
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Probably true of most, but the Stones, for example, make money off their tours because they really put some effort in, and people are avid to go to their concerts. Dylan has been taking people's money for years for performances in which he lets them know he doesn't give a fuck.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 02:01:16 AM EST
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Well, concerts are easy and a lot of old popsters still go out and turn a wedge regurgitating ye olde hittes. Many 60s and 70s bands are on the heritage circuit these days. U2 are practically their own tribute band. Robert Plant deserves lots of respect for refusing to do so, however much I personally would really enjoy seeing LZ (ish) reform.

The Stones haven't created anything meaningful since Undercover, and their career signal to noise ratio is very poor. I recently condensed their good stuff onto 2 CDs for the car and that was really it, game over. Nothing else mattered.

Dylan seems to blow hot and cold. F'r instance he got rave reviews for his visit here last year, wheras about 5 years ago he was lambasted for phoning it in. A pattern I remember has been going since I've began reading reviews in the early 70s.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 03:07:31 AM EST
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Helen:
The Stones haven't created anything meaningful since Undercover

For me, the "meaningful" stops at Exile on Main street.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 06:02:32 AM EST
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10 PM and 83/23.33 (F/C) outside.

yuck

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 11:58:35 PM EST
That would be 28.33°C

23 is comfortable.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 01:05:58 AM EST
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It's now 5 years later, so I may not be around much today and then will be offline a couple of days.

So, next stop, Cologne

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 03:11:19 AM EST


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