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European Salon de News, Discussion et Klatsch - 13 August

by afew Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 04:50:07 PM EST

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 10:18:07 AM EST
Finance Minister says Italy to overshoot deficit goal: paper | Reuters

(Reuters) - Finance Minister Vittorio Grilli said Italy's government would overshoot its 2012 deficit goal because of worse-than-expected growth but planned no extra budget cuts because Italy was on target to meet its EU obligations, a newspaper reported.

"We know there will be a worsening of the nominal deficit," Grilli told Rome's la Repubblica in an article published on Sunday. "Nonetheless, our compass remains the structural deficit, and on that we are and we will be perfectly in line."

Italy plans to post a structural, or growth-adjusted, budget surplus in 2013, which is what European Union authorities have asked the country to do.

Its nominal deficit targets are 1.7 percent of gross domestic product this year, 0.5 percent in 2013, and 0.1 percent in 2014.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 03:57:23 PM EST
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EU warns France over Roma camp purge - The Local
The European Commission is keeping a close eye on a new French purge on Roma camps to ensure expulsions are not arbitrary and discriminatory, a spokeswoman said on Friday.

 French authorities on Thursday dismantled two makeshift camps housing 200 people near Lille, and flew 240 Roma gypsies from Lyon to Romania in the

biggest repatriation of its kind since François Hollande succeeded Nicolas Sarkozy as president in May.

The office of European Union justice commissioner Viviane Reding -- who clashed with Sarkozy during similar deportations two years ago -- is in
contact with French authorities, Mina Andreeva told AFP.

Today again Reding's staff "are analysing the situation to make sure that European rules are respected," Andreeva said.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 04:35:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Germany - no more chances for Greece - The Local

Economy Minister Philipp Rösler said he was disappointed with the efforts of debt-wracked Greece to implement reforms, while a senior conservative said Germany would block further aid if the country did not fall in line.

"I've lost my illusions," Rösler told Focus magazine. He is also vice chancellor and leads the pro-business Free Democrats in the ruling coalition.

"I proposed with German businesses a whole series of support measures for the Greek government. The Greeks have hardly responded to our offers," he said.

Germany will block any new aid to Greece if the government does not fully comply with the terms of previous rescue packages, even if other countries support unlocking funds, another senior lawmaker said on Sunday.

The deputy head of Chancellor AngelaMerkel's conservative parliamentary bloc, Michael Fuchs, told the Handelsblatt newspaper the government was ready to use its veto if it was unhappy with findings from the Greececreditors "troika".

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 04:37:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yawn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wp4O7v5320
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 07:48:38 PM EST
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Around the middle of March this year, I predicted Grexit within six months. Looks like we're right on schedule.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 09:41:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]
You have 1 month left. Good luck.

Vencit omnia veritas.
by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]a[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]gmail[dot]com) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 08:04:43 AM EST
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This is a perfect storm. A background of Rösler's further playing with matchsticks is that poll numbers are dropping below 5% again and reportedly, a coup is being prepared against him within the party. (And the potential coup leader isn't any less insane.) Just for that, a whole country and the whole Eurozone could go under.

Also I just re-read how last autumn, former finance minister Peer Steinbrück (one of the German Social Democrats' potential chancellor candidates) chided a SPIEGEL reporter for the unwilling-to-reform rhetoric, pointing out that the cutbacks Greece already did by then would be equivalent to €330 billion in Germany and asked who would have dared to propose something like that. It would be nice to hear such retorts now, instead, today's Steinbrück is focusing on "obligations", too...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 06:55:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Heh. Steinbrück won't speak up now, but to my surprise, ex-chancellor Gerhard Schröder did:

Euro Zone Crisis: Germany Shouldn't Tolerate 'Greece Bashing': Schroeder - CNBC

"The one mistake the German chancellor made was that she tolerated Greece-bashing and sometimes, did so herself. That should not have happened," said Schroeder in an interview in Brussels.

He is quoted in the media for this, and rightly so. On the economics, he is more conservative: while endorsing a financial transactions tax, he names curbing spending as the main issue; and regarding Greece, he follows Samaras's line in endorsing an extended timeline:

"I believe that Greece will do its homework but might need more time than some people are willing to give it," he said. "I think Greece will get its budget under control, which will limit contagion. Therefore they need to have the time to do that."


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 08:50:50 AM EST
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More via taz:

Gerhard Schröder über die Krise: ,,Griechen-Bashing muss aufhören" - taz.de Gerhard Schröder on the crisis: "Greek-bashing must stop" - taz.de
Schröder sagte, er habe sich bewusst entschieden, wegen der Finanzkrise und aus Solidarität seinen Urlaub in Griechenland zu verbringen. ,,Hier gibt es fleißige Menschen, die mit ihrer Arbeit ihre Familien durchbringen, und die können nicht gleichgesetzt werden mit den Fehlentwicklungen, die es ohne Zweifel gegeben hat."Schröder said he had decided consciously to spend his holiday in Greece, because of the financial crisis and from solidarity. "There are hardworking people here who make ends meet for their families with their work, and who can not be equated with the mistakes which there have been without doubt."
Der Altkanzler ging hart ins Gericht mit FDP und CSU. ,,Der deutsche Wirtschaftsminister versucht seinen Job als Vorsitzender seiner liberalen Partei mit dem Griechenland-Bashing zu retten", sagte Schröder über Rösler. Zudem gebe es Politiker in Bayern, ,,die glauben, sie können Landtagswahlen mit Griechenland-Bashing gewinnen". Dies sei in beiden Fällen falsch.The former chancellor criticised the FDP and the CSU harshly. "The German economy minister tries to save his job as chairman of his party with the Greece-bashing", Schroeder said of [Philipp] Rösler. In addition, there are politicians in Bavaria who "believe they can win state elections with Greece-bashing". This is wrong in both cases.


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 08:59:34 AM EST
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Security services record Islamist exodus to Egypt - The Local

German security services have recorded a leap in the number of radical Islamists traveling to Egypt, according to a report due to be published in Monday's Der Spiegel magazine.

Radical Salafists considered violent by Germany's security services have been leaving Germany in droves in the past weeks, wrote the magazine. But rather than traveling to the conflict zone in Pakistan and Afghanistan, they are increasingly heading for Egypt, a high ranking security official told Der Spiegel.

The Islamists are believed to be following in the footsteps of the Austrian hate-speech cleric Mohamed Mahmoud, 27, the leader of the Millatu Ibrahim network banned by authorities in June. Mahmoud left Germany in the spring, preempting his impending expulsion, wrote the magazine.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 04:38:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The expulsion of extremists is the export of problems we can't solve.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 06:57:24 AM EST
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Eurointelligence Daily Briefing: Italy to miss budget targets
Vittorio Grilli says Italy will overshoot 2012 deficit target because of "worse than expected" economic growth; says structural deficit target remains on track; Fabrizio Viola, head of Monte dei Paschi di Siena, says Italian companies face credit crunch unless spreads were brought under control before the end of the year; a large number of German political leaders have come out in favour of a referendum on a European fiscal union; but defence minister Lothar de Maiziere says it is not wise to call a referendum one might not win; labour minister Ursula von der Leyen said the German constitution still has room for manoeuvre on European integration; Jacques Schuster says Germany should not rush into dumping the principle of a representative democracy; the French constitutional court rules that the new budget rules do not require a change in the French constitution; decision paves the way for a fast-track implementation of the fiscal pact in France; the Greek coalition government is internally divided over spending cuts and labour reforms; a Greek finance ministry official says the fight against tax evasion could reap greater benefits than further spending cuts; Greece hopes to raise €3.125bn in a T-bill auction tomorrow; Jyrki Katainen recommends that Italy and Spain back their bond issues by state property assets; Belgium's central bank governor says that Dexia may need to be recapitalised; El Pais has collected a list of companies and  banks that have actively prepared for a euro exit; Rainer Hank, meanwhile, argues that European integration was a cultural utopia.


If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 09:00:22 AM EST
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but defence minister Lothar de Maiziere says it is not wise to call a referendum one might not win;
Huh?
German debate about a euro referendum gathers pace

With the approach of the German constitutional court's verdict on the ESM, scheduled for September 12, the German debate about the constitutional referendum has gathered pace. Various senior politicians have come out in favour of a referendum, including Wolfgang Schauble, Rainer Bruderle, the FDP's parliamentary spokesman, Horst Seehofer, head of the CSU, and Sigmar Gabriel, head of the SPD. But as Frankfurter Allgemeine reports two prominent cabinet ministers urge caution. They are defence minister Thomas de Maizière, who told Tagesspiegel that politics should focus on what is realistic. There was no point in discussing a referendum before an agreement to change the European Treaties.  He warned that such discussions had negative effects on financial markets. Labour minister Ursula von der Leyen warned against a premature dumping of the German constitution. She says the room for manoeuvre within the constitution was not nearly exhausted.

Ah, I knew something was off...

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 09:07:20 AM EST
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Now seriously, the overtones of this debate are just weird:
Thomas de Maizière, who told Tagesspiegel that politics should focus on what is realistic. There was no point in discussing a referendum before an agreement to change the European Treaties.  He warned that such discussions had negative effects on financial markets. Labour minister Ursula von der Leyen warned against a premature dumping of the German constitution. She says the room for manoeuvre within the constitution was not nearly exhausted.
and then
Jacques Schuster says representative democracy should reign supreme

Writing in Die Welt, Jacques Schuster warns Germans against dumping the idea of a representative democracy.  He says the proponents of a referendum should first take a look at which neighbouring states actually wanted a political union. There was not a single one among them, he writes. He also recalls that some of the most important historical decisions of democratic Germany - the membership of Nato and of the European Economic Community - were done without referendums. He writes that there is no such thing as a direct will of the people. Only a democratically represented country knows what it wants.    



If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 09:10:21 AM EST
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He should try to tell that to the Swiss...

Thomas and Lothar are counsins. Thomas is the defense minister, Lothar is no more politically active but he was the last PM of East Germany. (The name indicates ancestors who were Huguenot refugees in Prussia-controlled territory.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 10:26:20 AM EST
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The voice of a true German eurosceptic

They don't come any more eurosceptic than Rainer Hank of Frankfurter Allgemeine. He said Europe was in a state of emergency, in which laws no longer applied and in which no solution are likely. He says there are three scenarios out of the euro crisis. The first is a Hobbesian putsch, in which democratic institutions yield power to an unelected and unaccountable European sovereign. The second was an evolutionary process, which produces a legitimate United States of Europe with large-scale fiscal transfers. The third is a strengthening of national sovereignty with a return to the principles of the Maastricht Treaty, including the No bailout rule, and a clear framework for emergencies. There is no doubt which of the options the author favours. He argues that Italy, Spain and Belgium are incapable of managing their own internal disparities. If Belgium cannot hold together, how can we expect Europe to do so? He says pro-Europeans permanently underestimated the costs of unification. He concludes by expressing the hope (from his perspective) that the German people will embrace what he considers to be the historic truth: that Europe has never been more than a cultural crisis phenomenon, a cultural utopia, an invention of poets. He cites numerous references of euroscepticism in German literature, and among German philosophers and sociologists.

(We obviously disagree with almost all of it, but we think the article is worth reading because it is constitutes a perfect example of the intellectual foundations for German anti-Europeanism. The author has clearly done his homework digging up many cultural references and quotation in support of his anti-Europeanism.)



If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 09:16:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Source? (That is, who say that they obviously disagree with almost all of it?)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 10:29:07 AM EST
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This is all Eurointelligence, behind the paywall.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 10:30:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 10:18:30 AM EST
Apologetic Swiss banks sweat it out as U.S., Europe mull redress | Reuters

(Reuters) - Swiss banks hoping to atone for decades of complicity in tax evasion may be left to sweat it out for months as the United States and Germany ponder the right level of punishment.

Switzerland has long dodged U.S. accusations of hiding money for wealthy Americans. But now eleven Swiss banks are under investigation in the United States and there is pressure too from Europe where burdened taxpayers want scalps after numerous banking scandals. The Swiss need a deal to remove the taint from their financial industry.

However, Washington must factor forthcoming elections into its thinking, and Germany is delaying ratification of a tax deal key to Switzerland's efforts to strike similar agreements elsewhere in Europe. So the Swiss may be in limbo for a while.

The wait is painful for a country which counts on banking for 7 percent of its economic output: until Swiss banks know how much information they need to share with foreign tax authorities they will struggle to attract new clients.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 03:54:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]
... as the United States and Germany ponder the right level of punishment.

Invade. That always works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wp4O7v5320

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 07:50:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
No, I think the United States has been punished enough by its recent invasions, I'm not sure it can take any more.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 03:09:34 AM EST
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Bank of England's King says banks can learn from Games | Reuters

(Reuters) - Bank of England governor Mervyn King took a swipe at bankers on Sunday, saying they should take a lesson about fair play from the Olympic Games, which have shown that money is not the only motivator for success.

King, who has previously criticised banks for excessive pay and shoddy customer treatment, also called for international cooperation to ease a global economic crisis in a column in the Mail on Sunday newspaper on the final day of the London Games.

"As recent scandals have shown, banks could learn a thing or two about fair play from the Olympic movement," said King, a keen sports fan who is fond of using sporting analogies to clarify economic policy.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 03:59:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]
""As recent scandals have shown, banks could learn a thing or two about fair play from the Olympic movement," "

Does he mean that the athletes were even better at cheating than the banksters? That they had developped better concealing techniques?
Or is he polydelusional?

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 02:28:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]
no, he's talking about the level of state support for elite athletes and the willingness of the government to underwrite any financial and operational shortcomings.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 03:11:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]
He means they should have special lanes on highways reserved for bankers.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 07:26:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Is the U.S. picking on our banks? | The Great Debate UK

By Kathleen Brooks. The opinions expressed are her own.

Standard Chartered is the latest UK-based bank that seems to be getting it in the neck from our friends across the water. Firstly, there was Barclays and the Libor scandal, then there was HSBC which was fined for allowing drug-trafficked money from Mexico to go through its system and now there is Standard Chartered which is charged with "wilfully misleading" the New York Department of Financial Services and clearing $250 billion of Iranian transactions through its U.S. operation.

Two can be a coincidence, but three in as many months? Since the news on Standard Chartered broke there has been a torrent of investors, politicians and even some in the media who have queried whether this is just an attempt by Washington to discredit London and re-establish New York as the world's financial centre.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 04:00:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
"Why is everybody always picking on them?"

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 07:42:13 PM EST
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How can three UK banks all be in trouble with US regulators? Are there three of comparable size that have not had regulatory issues in the US?    Oh, wait! since 'regulatory forbearance' the miracle is if any 'systemically important' bank even get publicly identified as having regulatory issues. The rest of the society, you know, is not 'systemically important'.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 07:46:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, as Wall st have bought and paid for the regulatory authorities and relevant politicians in DC, it would be unlikely that they'd allow their own transgressions to be criticized. However, it is opportune to both appease public sentiment by saying "it's those bad guys in Britain" as well as take out business competitors.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 03:17:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]
In the actual article linked to, the author replies in the negative to the question in her title. Persuasively or not, it's up to you to judge.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 10:02:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Hopeless unemployment | New Europe

BERKELEY - However bad you think the global economy is today in terms of the business cycle, that is only one lens through which to view the world. In terms of global life expectancy, total world wealth, the overall level of technology, growth prospects in emerging economies, and global income distribution, things look rather good, while on still other dimensions - say, global warming or domestic income inequality and its effects on countries' social solidarity - they look bad.

Even on the business-cycle dimension, conditions have been far worse in the past than they are today. Consider the Great Depression and the implications of market economies' inability back then to recover on their own, owing to the burden of long-term unemployment.

But, while we are not at that point today, the Great Depression is no less relevant for us, because it is increasingly likely that long-term unemployment will become a similar impediment to recovery within the next two years.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 04:11:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Chrystia Freeland | Analysis & Opinion | Reuters.com

Forget America's fiscal cliff, Europe's currency troubles or the emerging-markets slowdown. The most important story in the global economy today may well be some good news that isn't yet making as many headlines - the coming surge in oil production around the world.

Until very recently, our collective assumption was that oil was running out. That was partly a matter of what seemed like geological common sense. It took millions of years for the earth to crush plankton into fossil fuels; it is logical to think that it would take millions of years to create more. The rise of the emerging markets, with their energy-hungry billions, was a further reason it seemed obvious we would have less oil and gas in 2020 than we do today.

Obvious - but wrong. Thanks in part to technologies like horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracking, we are entering a new age of abundant oil. As the energy expert Leonardo Maugeri contends in a recent report published by the Belfer Center at the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, "contrary to what most people believe, oil supply capacity is growing worldwide at such an unprecedented level that it might outpace consumption."

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 04:53:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]
See this on Monbiot's peak-oil u-turn
Much of the article was spent regurgitating a recent report by Leonardo Maugeri, a former executive with the Italian oil company Eni, which Monbiot breathlessly reported "provides compelling evidence that a new oil boom has begun".

Plenty of ink has already been spilled by oil depletion experts exposing some of the wildly optimistic assumptions contained in Maugeri's report. More damning is that the work is shot through with crass mistakes that render its forecast worthless.

Chrystia Freeland, by the way, is just your usual Reaganite hack.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 05:28:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
To the extent that her byline above this narrative stamps it with the "big-business-compliant communications coming soon to a media outlet near you" imprint.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 02:33:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]
That was also a rather unfair representation of Monbiot's article.
His point whas that those who were hoping that peak oil would make it all fine and dandy on the global warming front would be in for a major disappointment. It would come too late to prevent a major increase in temperature. He probably did not have enough knowledge in the field to identify the weaknesses of the report, but regardless of how much fossil fuels will actually be added, shale gas has ALREADY created a boom in the US when we need a very fast drop.

His other message was one of despair, as he could not see how to fight the entranched oil companies when countries seemed to be rushing towards any new fossil fuel prospect (again, when we already had too much "proven resources" for the climate to handle).

Hardly a resounding endorsement of the oil based society...

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 05:17:31 AM EST
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Cyrille, don't let Monbiot fool you. He his not what he wants you to believe. In the article on Maugeri, Monbiot broke much of what he has been touting the past few years on AGW, Science rigours and etc. And with that taking clear sides on this particular issue.

Vencit omnia veritas.
by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]a[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]gmail[dot]com) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 08:17:34 AM EST
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That was Monbiot's "point", but the thrust of his post was validation of the Maugeri report. Which determines the overall sense of his communication for many readers.

He's been in the polemics business for long enough to know what he's doing.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 10:08:11 AM EST
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"he could not see how to fight the entranched oil companies"

That's easy. A summer with three months straight of temps over 110 F (43 C) and a few million people dying as a result, and the politics will turn right around. Probably in a decade or so...

by asdf on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 12:27:42 PM EST
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Washington Post: Will Erskine Bowles be our next Treasury Secretary? (Ezra Klein, August 10, 2012)
But next year is different. Next year is the year the fiscal deal has to be made. And if Bowles is Treasury Secretary, he'll be the guy making the deal. That's way better than leading a commission. It's even better than being well-liked by both sides. That's legacy material.
Obama's legacy: a repeat of Roosevelt's fiscal contraction of 1937 and recession of 1938-9.
For the Obama administration, Bowles has a number of qualifications. For one thing, Republicans adore him. Ryan has called him "my favorite Democrat." Appointing Bowles to be Treasury Secretary would ensure a smooth confirmation, and it would be interpreted as a sign of goodwill and "seriousness" both by Republicans and by the media. Coming after a bitterly partisan election and at the outset of a hugely consequential series of negotiations, that could have real appeal to the White House.
Does the fact that Ryan is now the presumptive GOP nominee for VP make a Bowles appointment more or less likely? What does it tell us that a likely treaury secretary is a favourite of the congressman who wants to abolish medicare and social security?
One reservation you often hear when playing the "who will be the next Treasury Secretary" guessing game is, "but they have no market experience." For better or worse, it's considered crucial that the Treasury Secretary understand, and be capable of working with, markets. Bowles was an investment banker before he entered politics, and he currently serves on the board of directors for both Morgan Stanley and GE. He's also personally beloved by Wall Street, where "Simpson-Bowles" has deep and fervent supporters, including many who have no real idea what's in it. Appointing Bowles would be a signal to them that Washington is getting serious.
Simson-Bowles refers to the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. Nuff said.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 11:38:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 10:18:48 AM EST
Egypt's Morsi fires defence minister Tantawi - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

The Egyptian president has ordered the powerful head of the army and defence minister, Field Marshal Hussein Tantawi, into retirement and cancelled constitutional amendments issued by the military restricting presidential powers.

Mohamed Morsi announced through a spokesman on Sunday the dismissal of Tantawi and his appointment as a presidential adviser.

According to state television, Abdul-Fatah al-Sessi would replace Tantawi as defence minister and the general commander of the army.

Morsi also sent into retirement the chief of army staff, Sami Anan, and appointed him as a presidential adviser.

Lieutenant-General Sidki Sayed Ahmed was named as Anan's replacement.

Morsi further appointed a senior judge, Mahmoud Mekki, as vice-president. All decisions are effective immediately.

Al Jazeera's Rawya Rageh, reporting from Cairo, said that would be no exaggeration to say that no one saw this one coming.

"After the June 5th attack on a border patrol left 16 soldiers dead, the country's leadership (both civilian and in uniform) was peculiarly quiet. Late and terse statements did not quench the public's thirst for answers," she said.

"But no one thought the price would extend to the head of the military and his deputy. After all, both Tantawi and General Sami Enan, the two most powerful members of the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF), long appeared invincible - both during the period SCAF took control over the country and even after President Morsi's election in June.  

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 03:45:58 PM EST
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If these resignations stick and end up being meaningful, than this is a rather impressive show of force by the elected president.
by Zwackus on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 11:37:03 PM EST
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Or, can an Islamist party in power in Egypt go the Turkish route?

Possibly, though it's a big if.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 02:38:13 AM EST
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Aid efforts under way after Iran quakes - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

Rescue teams have stopped looking for survivors from two powerful earthquakes near northwestern city of Tabriz, state television said, adding all those trapped under the rubble had been located and saved.

At least 227 people have been killed and more than 2,000 wounded in the massive earthquakes that hit the towns of Ahar and Varzaghan on Saturday. Iran's Fars News Agency reports the number of dead to be 300.

"There are no people left to recover from under the rubble in any village, and all necessary aid is currently being distributed," an interior ministry official in charge of disaster management, Hossein Ghadami, told state television on Sunday.

Efforts are on to provide water and shelter to the affected people, as thousands of people huddled in makeshift camps or slept in streets after Saturday's quakes in fear of more aftershocks.

Officials said on Sunday that emergency shelters were distributed on Sunday and a field hospital was set up in Varzaghan, one of the hardest hit towns 60km from Tabriz, to treat the injured.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 03:47:08 PM EST
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For wary Tea Party, Ryan could make Romney easier to swallow | Reuters

(Reuters) - For Tea Party activists uninspired by Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, the choice of fiscally conservative Congressman Paul Ryan as his vice presidential running mate might allow them to vote in November without holding their noses.

Hours after Romney's announcement on Saturday, Tea Partiers' reactions ranged from "Wow!" to "a step up from Romney" to "this doesn't change a thing for me" - what one would expect from a notoriously fragmented coalition bound by a desire for smaller government.

Many hailed the selection of as a sign of fiscally conservative movement's growing influence on the Republican Party platform. Others said it will not eradicate the enthusiasm deficit among conservatives that has dogged the former Massachusetts governor's campaign.

"This absolutely brings excitement to the ticket," said Debbie Dooley, co-founder of the Atlanta Tea Party, who said she her reaction was "Wow!" when she heard the news. "This gives us something to vote for rather than voting against (incumbent Democratic U.S. President Barack) Obama."

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 03:48:00 PM EST
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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 10:19:13 AM EST
IPS - U.S. Drought Exposes "Hydro-Illogical" Water Management | Inter Press Service

NEW YORK, Aug 11 2012 (IPS) - The historic drought withering much of the United States this summer has revealed a need for strategies to better manage water supplies that could remain under severe pressure both this year and in the longer term.

On Friday, the U.S. Agriculture Department said that corn yields - which account for nearly 40 percent of the global harvest - would be 17 percent lower than expected, contributing to an overall rise in food prices of three to four percent next year.

Van Ayers, an agriculture and rural development specialist with the University of Missouri Extension in Bloomfield, predicts a continued expansion of irrigation systems.

"When I first moved to southeast Missouri over 20 years ago, there were approximately 300,000 acres with irrigation," he told IPS. "Now there is over one million. This trend will not change."

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 03:42:49 PM EST
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BBC News - US corn price forecast to rise sharply

The US Department of Agriculture (USDA) has slashed its forecasts for corn production and predicted sharp price rises, due to a drought and heatwave destroying much of the country's crop.

It now thinks that this year's corn yield - the amount produced per acre - will be the lowest since 1995-96.

It predicts farm prices for corn will average $7.50-$8.90 per bushel. In July had predicted $5.40-$6.40 per bushel.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 04:05:48 PM EST
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This is where grain stocks stood at the end of 2011:

The situation is getting worse:

Over the last two months, the price of corn has been climbing. On July 19th, it exceeded $8 per bushel for the first time, taking the world into a new food price terrain. With heat and drought still smothering the Corn Belt, we may well see more all-time highs in coming weeks as the extent of crop damage becomes clearer.

This is not the way it was supposed to be. This spring farmers planted a record 96 million acres of corn. An early spring got the crop off to a great start, leading the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) to project the largest corn harvest in history.

On June 12th, the USDA projected the U.S. harvest would hit a record 376 million tons. But the drought conditions that had initially been confined to the country's southwest began to spread and intensify. In its next monthly report on July 11th, the USDA reduced its projection to 329 million tons of corn, down by 12 percent or 47 million tons. This was a huge drop in only one month. Yet in the end the actual decline may be closer to 30 percent, or roughly 100 million tons--double the USDA estimated drop.

This from a record corn planting of 96 million acres (39 million hectares.)

The FAO reports:

I'll note the 2008-ish peaks caused political unrest and food riots across in Latin America and Mexico and the 2010-2011 increase coincided with the "Arab Spring."  I hasten to add: Correlation is not Causation.  But it is interesting.  

At least to me.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 11:48:16 PM EST
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Court to FDA: 35 years is too long to procrastinate on curbing antibiotics in meat | Grist
The Food and Drug Association has a problem. It knows it has to set rules for the use of antibiotics in meat production, but it doesn't wanna. Like a petulant teen, kicking at stones and moaning under its breath, the FDA is dragging its feet.

But a federal court in New York put its foot down yesterday, insisting once and for all that the FDA had to do its chores. ("Fine. I didn't want to be a federal agency anyway. See if I care.") The FDA now has roughly five years to get the job done, and it can't delay just because an appeal is pending.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 04:18:48 PM EST
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It doesn't want to because it will wreck US corporate farming: feed lots, and CAFO & etc.


Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 11:49:33 PM EST
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Five years? That'll show the FDA it needs to get serious.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 04:09:51 AM EST
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lol, fer shore...

curious timing too, as they doubtless hope american voters will have tired of democrats by then, obama will be safely packed away on the speech/talkshow $-train, and then a more reasonable, business-friendly repug administration will be back in power just in time to repeal a clearly socialistic useless job-killing regulation. and the poison meat machine can keep profitably trundling on, decimating lives and landscapes, water tables and compounding health care and cleanup costs to the taxpayer, later, profits tidily squirreled away in the caymans

on to you...

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 09:14:01 AM EST
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Birds do better in 'agroforests' than on farms

Compared with open farmland, wooded "shade" plantations that produce coffee and chocolate promote greater bird diversity, although a new University of Utah study says forests remain the best habitat for tropical birds.

The findings suggest that as open farmland replaces forests and "agroforests" - where crops are grown under trees - reduced number of bird species and shifts in the populations of various types of birds may hurt "ecosystem services" that birds provide to people, such as eating insect pests, spreading seeds and pollinating crops.

"We found that agroforests are better overall for bird biodiversity in the tropics than open farms," says study author Çagan H. Sekercioglu (pronounced Cha-awn Shay-care-gee-oh-loo), an assistant professor of biology at the University of Utah.

"This doesn't mean people should farm in intact forests," the ornithologist adds. "But if you have the option of having agroforest versus open farmland, that is better for biodiversity, with shade coffee and shade cacao [the source of cocoa and chocolate] being the prime examples."

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 04:20:29 PM EST
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Study after study has reported greater food value from a diverse ecology, e.g., agroforests, than the standard rape-the-land cropping.  

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 11:52:08 PM EST
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but the corporate chemical-saturation model demands monoculture.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 03:25:00 AM EST
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I think it's more about giant machines to avoid labour costs than chemicals.  Chemicals are a symptom.
by njh on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 11:02:03 AM EST
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But in places where labour costs a pittance, Big-Ag still use chemicals. In the case of bananas they use chemicals that has a long list of mandatory security precautions when manufactured in the west and then is applied by hand without any security equipment by plantage workers. Or sprayed by airplane.

I only buy organic bananas since I learned of the situation, and can report that last week 5 out of 6 banana boxes at my local supermarket was organic. Couple of years ago they were hard to get. Slow progress, but progress all the same.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 02:29:35 PM EST
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But remember my Peak Bananas story. Not even organic bananas will escape...
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 14th, 2012 at 03:55:44 PM EST
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Even where labor is a pittance, laborers themselves prefer to use the chemicals.  Big ag and small ag both like chemicals.
by santiago on Tue Aug 14th, 2012 at 07:48:19 PM EST
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"Like" is a leading term. "Use" because relatively cheap for a desired result would be more like it.

But "cheap" is relative too. There's a problem of externalities, see Jake's comment.

There's also a problem of ignorance of the dangers for operatives' health of agro-chemicals. That ignorance is dissipating, as I've been able to see in over thirty years of observing farming here in France.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 02:39:30 AM EST
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Labourers in monoculture and plantation production probably "like" chemicals too:

Problems with conventional cotton production | Pesticide Action Network

In many developing countries, farmers and farmworkers work in cotton fields with few if any safety precautions to protect them from pesticides. According to the UN Food and Agriculture Organization, farmers in many developing countries use antiquated and dangerous pesticide application equipment, resulting in spills and poisonings. In Pakistan, one of the top five cotton producing countries, approximately 50% of applied pesticides are wasted due to poor spraying machinery and inappropriate application. A 1997 Danish television documentary showed methyl parathion being sprayed on cotton fields in Nicaragua and Guatemala while children played in and beside the fields. It also documented numerous cases of methyl parathion poisonings in cotton production. Pesticide poisoning remains a daily reality among agricultural workers in developing countries, where up to 14% of all occupational injuries in the agricultural sector and 10% of all fatal injuries can be attributed to pesticides.

Farmworkers are also threatened by hazardous pesticides in industrialized countries. In one study of pesticide illnesses in California, cotton ranked third among California crops for total number of worker illnesses caused by pesticides. In September 1996, approximately 250 farmworkers in California were accidentally sprayed with a mixture of highly toxic pesticides when a crop dusting plane applied the chemicals to a cotton field adjacent to a field where workers were harvesting grapes. Twenty-two workers were rushed to hospitals with symptoms of acute pesticide poisoning. According to the crop dusting company, the pilot was experienced and followed regulations. County officials stated that the chemicals are registered for use on cotton and that the duster was not required to notify workers in the grape field prior to spraying.

Cancer in Banana Plantation Workers in Costa Rica (pdf)

High cancer risk has been reported among agricultural workers. Skin and lip malignancies have been associated with ultraviolet radiation exposures during outdoor farming and leukaemia with viral zoonosis. Increased occurrence of soft tissue sarcomas, various lymphohaematopoietic cancers, and cancer of the brain, testis, stomach and prostate have been observed among pesticide exposed populations.1'2
Particularly high exposures to pesticides occur in developing countries.

Banana plantation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Workers on banana plantations in Central America have been exposed to pesticides which have been found to cause various health conditions including sterility. Banana industry advocates maintain that exposure levels were too low to produce health issues, but juries in the United States found Dole Food Company guilty of specific cases of worker sterility related to pesticide exposure in the late 1970s. One successful lawsuit presented evidence that Dole continued to use the pesticide DBCP on banana plantations in Nicaragua after the agent was found by the manufacturer to cause health problems and was banned in California in 1977. The jury found the chemical manufacturer, Dow Chemical, 20% liable and Dole 80% liable because Dow had warned Dole of the dangers of aerial spraying in the presence of workers, yet evidence presented in court indicated Dole continued using the agent in close proximity to workers on its Nicaraguan banana plantations.

Sorry there's no Facebook "like" for this item.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 05:33:06 AM EST
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weeding by hand is a lot harder work, but it won't sterilise you...

buying organic, and eating less, is not just supporting responsible stewardship pf the earth, it's withdrawing support for scurrilous companies like dole and dow, and the way they treat the land and their workers.

many of the ag workers in hawaii were found not to even be able to read the labels!

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 07:55:29 AM EST
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This is where a little bit of ethnography would be enlightening for people used to looking at the economics of externalities and personal choice.  Talk to farm workers themselves.  They tend to prefer labor saving technology, even when it is demonstrably dangerous.  They'll use it on their own small plots and they will try to use it on large plantations when they can when the patrician owners aren't looking or are trying to pass fair trade or organic certification inspections.  The persistent myth of the enlightened, health-conscious peasant farm worker is one of the biggest obstacles to analysis of sustainable agriculture. At the end of the day, more income, with less work, gets you better stuff that matter to you and gets you laid more, and cancer and hormone problems are too ambiguous and far in the future to matter to most farm workers.  An example of the "third face" of power.

Why would workers choose to work in a large banana plantation where chemicals are used? Because the pay is so much higher for the amount of time put in. They could choose to work in a Fair Trade certified farm where they even have ownership shares and residual income as part of the operation, but that is just so complicated and often the profits never really materialize, so good job at a Dole provider will almost always get filled before the Fair Trade shop, which has to pick up the workers left over.

So, yes, workers really do "like" the chemicals, even when they know the dangers.

by santiago on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 01:24:12 PM EST
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You are talking to a former farm worker, just so you know. Afaik, you work in a bank.

santiago:

persistent myth of the enlightened, health-conscious peasant farm worker

Total strawman. Where has anyone in this discussion pretended anything of the kind?

santiago:

At the end of the day, more income, with less work, gets you better stuff that matter to you and gets you laid more

A straightforward justification for anything the capitalist system wants.

santiago:

Why would workers choose to work in a large banana plantation where chemicals are used? Because the pay is so much higher for the amount of time put in. They could choose to work in a Fair Trade certified farm where they even have ownership shares and residual income as part of the operation, but that is just so complicated and often the profits never really materialize, so good job at a Dole provider will almost always get filled before the Fair Trade shop, which has to pick up the workers left over.

Point after meretricious point that you should provide evidence for, but will not.

Even by your usual standards of slimy defence of moneyed and conservative interests, this comment hits a low.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 03:41:24 PM EST
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You're talking to a present farm owner. Although I work in bank now for my day job, I also grow cocoa, plantains, rice, and soybeans in South America and know the labor conditions very well. The evidence I presented in that comment, which can you reject if you want to disbelieve it, is merely my own testimony as a farmer and someone who has many years of direct experience living and working with third world farm workers.  (My first job out of college was setting up micro-credit co-ops for farm workers and fisherman, so this is really the core of my background.)
by santiago on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 07:21:53 PM EST
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Your presentation of work in banana plantations assumes a standard neoclassical view of "rational choice" in which a poor person reviews the options and chooses wage labour for a major operator, the marginal utility for him of that choice being, you suggest, that he can get more stuff and get laid.

Even supposing your view to correspond to reality in every instance, it does not imply "liking chemicals". It simply implies, according to you, that a major plantation operator pays better (than? Fair Trade, organic, having an undisputed title to a viable holding of one's own?).

Yet your picture of free rational choice is utopian. The history of labour relations of the fruit majors, of which you mention one, is a decades-long series political manipulations of "banana republics", indirect use of government forces or paramilitaries, expropriation, pressure and violence including murder against unionists, in order to keep labour costs as low as possible. You may object that United/Chiquita and Standard/Dole etc, have now cleaned up their act, yet serious accusations have been recently made against a Standard Dole front company of paramilitary terror and murders in Colombia, conducive to maintaining a low-cost submissive workforce. Proof of actual collusion with paramilitaries may be hard to find, but the resulting balance of power is undeniably tilted in favour of the big employer. This is far from your blithe assumption of free choice in a simplistic capitalist universe.

Further, there is evidence that land distribution is becoming rapidly less equal in South America, and that this is not the result of a peaceful opt-in process on the part of small farmers. Colombia can again be cited:

Choike - Colombia: massacres, privatisations and Free Trade Agreement

from owning 32 per cent of the land in 1994, large landowners have now 71 per cent of the land.

Massacres and paramilitary land seizures behind the biofuel revolution | World news | The Guardian

A government investigation reportedly found irregularities in 80% of palm oil land titles in some areas.

Biofuels fuel Colombia's conflict - Colombia news | Colombia Reports

93 percent of the land under cultivation by some of the country's largest oil palm companies was illegally located the territory that belongs to black communities. These companies had seized the land with the help of gangs comprised of former paramilitaries.

Peasant farmers are not choosing to switch for wage-paying jobs: they are driven from their holdings and are (insofar as they dare) protesting expropriation.

In Brazil, peasants are willing to face terror, targeted shootings, to hold on to land they have occupied. The Landless movement (MST) and smaller parallel groups have mobilised over decades very large numbers of poor people with no title to land, who demand smallholdings to live off. The very existence of such movements, and the large numbers they gather in the face of even extreme violence, is evidence that the land distribution and "labour market" situation is far from being as simple as your neo-classical description suggests.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 05:13:35 AM EST
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The land issues you cite are true but are somewhat outside of the discussion on chemicals here.  The use of chemicals on even smallholdings is very prevalent, which means that farmers are indeed choosing to use them because they like them, regardless of whether or not their options for choice of employment might exist.  Even where choices are limited, if choice were not occurring we would expect to see farmers doing things differently where they do have choice, but we really don't see that.
by santiago on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 09:00:06 AM EST
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I think I was clear in evacuating the "chemicals" issue early in my comment by pointing out that your description of farm labourer choice only implied an option for higher pay (according to you), not necessarily use of chemicals.

What you know I was pointing out was that your glib depiction of free utilitarian choice concerning banana plantation workers was, as I had previously said, meretricious.

Since you cherry-pick only the "land-use" aspect of my comment (while ignoring its significance with regard to poor people's wishes to remain or become small farmers rather than wage labourers), are you denying or just eluding the point that banana plantation labour has long been (and, given the recent case I referred to, probably still is) subjected to terror tactics with the intention of preventing union organisation and keeping labour costs low?

And, if you're not denying it, how does it square with your own description of the happy world of banana wage labour?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Aug 17th, 2012 at 05:09:36 AM EST
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As to chemicals, there is no dispute that most farmers large and small, and labourers, use them because they "work" and reduce labour.

My objection is to your use of the term "like". This is paralleled, for the downstream end of the agri-food industry, by your use of "want".

Chemicals are used and will be used because farmers and workers "like" them; the structure of food production is determined by what the consumer "wants". Everything occurs quasi-spontaneously in a kind of natural order. This is the frame (to which I object) that you are suggesting by your insistence on these two terms, by which you avoid recognizing such things as a hierarchy of group interests, deliberate policy, power, influence, that are determinant in the real world.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Aug 17th, 2012 at 05:29:45 AM EST
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Chemicals are used and will be used because farmers and workers "like" them; the structure of food production is determined by what the consumer "wants". Everything occurs quasi-spontaneously in a kind of natural order. This is the frame (to which I object) that you are suggesting by your insistence on these two terms
That kind of question-begging is called revealed preference in Economics.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 17th, 2012 at 08:29:40 AM EST
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There is huge a difference between greater nutritional value and greater amounts of the kinds of food that people actually want to eat at the prices they want to pay for it.  And people want to eat the kinds of foods that are grown much more efficiently (in the short to mid term, at least) in monoculture row crops and confined feeding operations. It has never really been commercially demonstrated that "agroecology" works on a scale sufficient to compensate farmers for the extra labor and consumers with affordable meats, sugars, and oils.
by santiago on Tue Aug 14th, 2012 at 07:47:07 PM EST
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Well, duh. When you have lax regulation of antibiotics and pesticides, you allow the consumers of feedlot and monoculture field produce to offload part of the real cost of their consumption on someone who is not them. That cross-subsidies make the subsidized modes of production more competitive is, perhaps, not the greatest insight the economics profession has had in its lifetime.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Aug 14th, 2012 at 09:16:27 PM EST
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The insight isn't an economic one.  It's a political one.  Once you try to account for all of those externalities in the consumer prices of food, you will have 1 billion Chinese and Indian urban consumers suddenly excluded from the middle class, if we define "middle class" by consumption criteria.  That's not going to go over very well among Chinese and Indian political leaders.

It might be better to find moderately more sustainable ways of producing monoculture plantation crops than to try to make urban consumers pay the full price of their preferences for higher living standards.

by santiago on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 12:53:54 PM EST
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santiago:
It might be better to find moderately more sustainable ways of producing monoculture plantation crops than to try to make urban consumers pay the full price of their preferences for higher living standards.

and continue offloading the real costs of food created this way onto the health of those with least access to education.

seems very unfair. someone has to pay for those choices, why shouldn't it be the end-user, especially as i assume he/she would also enjoy a countryside free of pesticide and herbicide runoff etc.

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 01:41:04 PM EST
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"The poor will always be with us."

Sometimes pragmatic sense of urgent issues versus less urgent issues has to take precedence over a perfect outcome, leaving the perfect outcome for a much longer term struggle.

by santiago on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 03:39:11 PM EST
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It's been an "urgent issue" since the 1950s and the Green Revolution. That is, this same argument has served now for sixty years.

During which time the share of disposable household income in the Western world devoted to food has roughly halved, allowing greater consumption of such unsustainables as petroleum-fuelled cars, fossil fuel energy, gadgetry...

What "long term struggle" are you talking about?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 04:50:52 PM EST
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Has the proportion of the world's population living at the margin of survival and death by starvation actually changed at all in the last 200 years?  And if so, has it grown or gotten smaller?
by santiago on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 04:56:05 PM EST
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Numbers for two centuries back can only be very largely conjectural.

What you are presenting is the "We Feed The World" argument. To which I'd object that Western big ag exports subsidised cheap food that undercuts prices in least developed countries, contributing to making family farming in those countries not just difficult but impossible, and driving peasant farmers to the cities. This is then adduced as evidence of the failure of small farming and the need for big-ag "land grab" operations. Full circle.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 05:21:00 AM EST
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No, the long term struggle is to reduce the proportion of people living at the margin of starvation and survival. This has been happening, contrary to what Malthus predicted, although as much as it possibly could.  The urgent need is to provide for other peoples -- the urbanizing population -- to increase their standards of living, which is what is accomplished by falling food costs relative to income.  Policies that lead to increased food costs for middle class consumers tend to cause political crises well before problems that cause famines for the poor ever wiil.
by santiago on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 08:53:26 AM EST
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Or we could pay Chinese and Indian factory workers better.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 01:54:35 PM EST
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We could?  Or their immediate masters could?
by santiago on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 03:39:53 PM EST
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China is a net importer of food. Their immediate masters do not control the laxness or not of antibiotics or pesticide regulation of the marginal calorie consumed in China.

And if we were to pay their immediate masters more but not export unsustainable food, their immediate masters would pay more. Or they would find themselves new immediate masters. IMF riots are quite instructive in this respect, and the Chinese elite is neither stupid nor suicidal.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 04:28:15 PM EST
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Okay, so what would happen if the price of food that China imports increased significantly and was sustained at that higher price by exporters to China suddenly trying to incorporate the externalities of chemicals (if it were possible) into the prices of corn and soybeans?

The price of food in China would increase, thereby reducing the number of Chinese workers in the middle class.  Since those workers will not be happy about their sudden loss in social status, they will demand more wages or other benefits, raising the price of Chinese exports and reducing Chinese employment, leading to the same outcome -- fewer middle class consumers and a big problem for governing authorities.

by santiago on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 04:50:15 PM EST
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The Chinese government can boost production for domestic consumption in the face of a real appreciation of the terms of trade. China has a large enough current account surplus that it can convert substantial volumes of production for export into production for domestic consumption without impacting its ability to import raw materials and intermediate goods.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 05:27:37 PM EST
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This is the case for one or two years, such as when food prices spike.  But if the western world decides to incorporate all of the externalities into the prices it provides to Chinese importers, this represents a permanent, higher cost and is therefore not mitigated by any reserve. It will quickly deplete the reserves, requiring higher consumer prices in China to maintain them.  Higher prices mean fewer people can live at middle class standards, and they won't be happy about that.
by santiago on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 07:14:15 PM EST
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No.

The current account surplus is a flow, not a stock. To first order, an indefinite diversion of production from foreign to domestic consumption will give only a finite reduction in the CA surplus. This can be sustained indefinitely, unless China goes into unsustainably large CA deficit from the higher costs of imports.

Which is not a realistic risk.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 09:43:56 PM EST
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I misunderstood you. I was talking about food production, which isn't transferable as other kinds of production is as a whole. China is no longer self sufficient in food, which means it must face world prices for the kinds of foods its increasingly wealthy consumers want to eat.  Prices not in terms of currency but in forgone other consumption.
by santiago on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 10:25:05 PM EST
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And my point is that it already is foregoing substantial domestic consumption. The Chinese leadership would probably prefer to have low food prices and continue to use this foregone consumption to subsidize the export industries in order to attract the looted plant from thirdworldizing first world countries. But they don't have to.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 06:12:32 AM EST
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It is, and if your point is that the Chinese have more a cushion due to their exports, yes that is true.  But my point is that for the Chinese it isn't really a question of prices but of physical availability. It is becoming a monumental policy task just to make sure that enough tonnage of soybeans, and now maize even, are brought into the country ever year to feed a population demanding increasing amounts of meat and fat.
by santiago on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 09:05:17 AM EST
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santiago:
people want to eat the kinds of foods that are grown much more efficiently (in the short to mid term, at least) in monoculture row crops and confined feeding operations

You mean people actually want to eat what is generally available, rather than go hungry. If you were to ask them: is it the monoculture row crops and feedlot operations that make you want this stuff?, what kind of response do you think you'd get?

santiago:

It has never really been commercially demonstrated

You mean it has been commercially attempted? Where, when, how?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 02:32:53 AM EST
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The evidence at this point supports an argument that people choose to eat unhealthy food such as higher-than-needed meats, fats, and sugar as they graduate to the urban middle class, regardless of food availability.  All of the healthier food is also available to them as their income grows, but they choose to eat richer diets at greater personal expense nonetheless as people enter the bourgeois class in their respective countries. Only the poor are actually sometimes lacking in vegetables and grains, not anyone who has the earning capacity to buy the more expensive meats, fats, and sugars, so it is much more complicated than just food availability.

It is true, it may not have been commercially attempted, but there is probably a good reason for that.  It may not be not economically sustainable at an enterprise level.  Someone has to actually make a lot of money at this first.

by santiago on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 01:01:05 PM EST
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santiago:
people choose to eat unhealthy food such as higher-than-needed meats, fats, and sugar

What is this strawman discussion? You made out that people wanted what was grown "more efficiently" in monoculture row crops and feedlots. You're not providing any evidence for that claim.

santiago:

It may not be not economically sustainable at an enterprise level.  Someone has to actually make a lot of money at this first.

In other words, you don't know and have no answer.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 03:50:10 PM EST
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I provided the evidence for the claim. Since there is no shortage of food grains and vegetables anywhere in the world with respect to middle class consumers, if they really wanted to consume such food, they already would be doing so.  But that's not what is observed. (Look at the FAO data on food consumption at their website.) Instead we see higher consumption of meat, fat, and sugar as the non-slum urban population increases and reduced consumption of the more healthy food grains.

This means that people do not want to consume healthy food even when it is available and more affordable, if given the chance to choose.

by santiago on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 04:54:15 PM EST
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So grains and vegetables are presumably no longer in your "efficiently-grown monoculture row crops" category? Because that's what you said people wanted.

Then saying "people want red meat-fats-sugar-salt" is quite different. A whole lot of things come into play there, including class prestige, food mythologies, "easy" tastiness, food industry pimping up and selling... But these elements don't necessarily imply the chemical monoculture and feedlot farming you claimed people "wanted". They could even be organic...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 05:03:14 PM EST
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No, that's not it.  There are no land resource constraints on growing food grains and vegetables.  They just don't require much land because they provide so much more nutrient value per land unit (and other units) of input, so there is plenty of room to experiment with growing in alternative forms of those crops without significantly increasing the price faced by the consumer.

This is not the case, however, for animal feed grains and oilseeds, which are straining the land and other resources all the time.  As more people become wealthier and acquire richer tastes, their demand for yellow corn and soybeans and african palm puts major pressure on increasing production in ways that are very conducive, economically, to large-scale monocrop agriculture.

by santiago on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 07:10:51 PM EST
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If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.
by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 09:45:21 PM EST
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I'm sorry but I'm going to have to ask you for a citation on this:
There are no land resource constraints on growing food grains and vegetables. ...

This is not the case, however, for animal feed grains and oilseeds, which are straining the land and other resources all the time. ...



If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 02:47:23 AM EST
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This is just an inference of the fact that meat and fat production requires much more land per unit of nutrient than food grain (wheat or rice) or vegetable production and that there is very little competition for land between vegetables/food grains and feed grains -- they grow in different kinds of soil and climates.   Is that what you need a citation for?
by santiago on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 08:46:52 AM EST
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No, on There are no land resource constraints on growing food grains.

Seriously, zero? Are you claiming that food grains are grown on marginally productive land and that the land productivity at the margin can be decreased arbitrarily?

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 09:18:46 AM EST
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In certain geographic areas, yes there may exist difficulties growing food grains and vegetables. Deserts, for example, which is why high populations can exist in such places only if food may be imported.  I am speaking at the global level. There are no land constraints globally on growing food such vegetables and food grains globally.  More than enough food grains and vegetables are produced every year and always have been in the modern era. Where people find themselves without food grains and vegetables, as shown by the life work of Amartya Sen, it can be attributed to problems with markets for food or political access, not to land constraints on growing such food.  
by santiago on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 11:26:24 AM EST
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Then by the principle of substitution you can just add the grain-eating cattle to the people and voilà, there's no land constraints to growing grain for all the people and cattle on the planet.

The fact that some of the 'people and cattle' slaughter and eat some of the other 'people and cattle' rather than the latter dying of natural causes is irrelevant "in equilibrium".

I'm sure this little foray of mine into the welfare/environmental economics of chattel will greatly please Twank.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 11:35:07 AM EST
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Not quite the same,  because food grains, and especially fruits and vegetables which can be grown sifficiently to meet demand in even if grown in urban areas because their footprint is so low, don't really compete for land very much with feed grains and oilseeds.  Rice and wheat farmers don't generally make decisions between growing maize and soybeans instead because their land is not as well suited for such production -- it is either too dry, as is the case for wheat, or too wet, as is the case for rice, to grow maize and high-yield oilseed crops.  Only on a very marginal basis is there really any overlap.  

The real competition for land is occurring between fuel for biofuels and food for high-fat (and thus tastier) meats and sweeteners, not between meat/fat/sweeteners and cereals/vegetables.  It's a contest for land used by the rich for different uses, not between rich and poor. The contest for food between rich and poor comes through markets and an attempt to arbitrage prices between different regions, something done much easier today due to liberalized trade and global commodity futures and options markets.

If there were constraints of food grains, we would have seen a reduction in the global supplies of wheat as when more land was put into maize production to meet demand for biofuels, but this has not occurred.  Instead wheat stocks remain high relative to use.

This is why even as shortages for soybeans and maize occur, there remains global abundance of rice and wheat.  

The place to find the evidence for this in terms of stocks/consumption ratios is here: http://www.fas.usda.gov/psdonline/psdQuery.aspx
But I can't get the query to run so it looks like their site is down right now.

by santiago on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 12:08:02 PM EST
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could you please clarify the difference between 'feed grains' and cereals?

do you mean corn -for pigs, cows and ethanol, separate from barley, wheat, rye, buckwheat, millet, oats, corn (for humans), quinoa etc for direct-to-table use?

what's the point of separating them? they all need the same amount of space, fertiliser etc.

is this some nuanced marketista logic?

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 12:39:47 PM EST
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Feed grains are fed to animals (or automobiles as the case may be).  Course grains is another word for them.  

Food grains (aka cereals) are fed to humans, such as bread, rice, breakfast cereals, etc.

They are separated for analysis of food availability because they actually do need different amounts of land, fertilizer, labor or machinery inputs and even food safety standards at the industrial level (GMO acceptance, etc.)  #2 yellow corn just doesn't taste very good when consumed by people directly, so it is almost exclusively used as an industrial ingredient or animal feed in the food process. Any number of other varieties of food-grade corn are grown for your breakfast cereals, porridges, mashes, tamales, etc., usually specific to local tastes and use.  These are not the ones Monsanto is interested in. Those other varieties are more pricey and thus are grown much more like horticultural crops than industrial feed grain crops are.

While you can often grow wheat on the same land as maize, wheat is usually grown in colder, dryer areas precisely because maize cannot really be grown is such areas very well, needing more water and heat. And rice requires so much water that it mostly is grown in areas (or times of the year) where none of the feed grains or oilseeds would grow very well at all, in flooding fields. So there is really only limited substitution between feed and food grains in a farmers' typical decision cycle.

by santiago on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 01:44:09 PM EST
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People do not demand "yellow corn and soybeans and african palm".

The agri-food industry demands those products because they lend themselves to easy industrial exploitation with a view to profitably marketing certain types of foodstuffs (that people choose for aforesaid reasons of prestige, food mythology, "easy" tastiness, advertising...).

It's industry policy, not consumer choice.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 05:32:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]
That's a good point to a certain extent, but there is a chicken and egg effect here as well.  What consumers really demand are more fat, protein, and sweets as they get wealthier.  Yellow corn, soybeans, and african palm (and I should add sugar cane) are the most efficient ways of delivering that to people because of the biological characteristics of of those plants, first and foremost, something industry has exploited.  So although industry does have an effect on selecting consumer choices, industry also has its choices of plants to use and means of growing them very limited too by taste and the properties of plants to provide them.
by santiago on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 08:42:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]
IPS - It's Either Orangutans Or Cheap Palm Oil | Inter Press Service

JAKARTA, Aug 10 2012 (IPS) - When four men were sentenced to eight months in jail in March for the `murder' of orangutans, it was the first time that people associated with Indonesia's booming palm oil industry were convicted for killing man's close relations in the primate family.

Conservationists were not happy with the `light' sentences handed down by the court in Kutai Kertanegara district, East Kalimantan, on Mar. 18, to Imam Muktarom, Mujianto, Widiantoro and Malaysian national Phuah Cuan Pun.

"As expected, the sentences were light, much lighter than what the prosecutors demanded. Such punishments will not bring any change to the situation of orangutans," Fian Khairunnissa, an activist of the Centre for Orangutan Protection, told IPS.

Indonesia's courts have generally looked the other way as the palm oil industry relentlessly decimated orangutans by destroying vast swathes of Southeast Asia's rainforests to convert them into oil palm plantations.

In April, a court in Banda Aceh, Sumatra, dismissed a case filed by the Indonesia Environmental Forum (WALHI) against PT Kallista Alam, one of five palm oil firms operating in Tripa, and Irwandi Yusuf, former governor of Aceh province, for the conversion of 1,600 hectares (3,950 acres) of carbon-rich peat forests into palm oil plantations.

The court admonished WALHI saying it should have sought an out-of-court settlement with PT Kallista Alam -  which never paused clearing its  1,600-hectare concession, granted in August 2011.  

Mysteriously, just before the WALHI case was to be heard in court, numerous fires broke out in the Tripa peat swamps, including in the concession granted to PT Kallista Alam.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 04:22:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
IPS - Corporate Lobbyists Threaten Democracy | Inter Press Service

PARIS, Aug 8 2012 (IPS) - Over a month has passed since the United Nations summit on sustainable development concluded in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, but the world still appears to be unaware of one of the most important statements made during the conference that drew some 50,000 delegates from all over the world.

Louise Kantrow, permanent representative of the International Chamber of Commerce, received thunderous applause when she told her audience on Jun. 19 that "businesses are taking the lead" in global negotiations on climate change and sustainable development.

For many observers, Kantrow's blunt words highlighted just how strong of a grip private multinational companies have upon supposedly democratic processes.

In a statement aptly titled `Reclaim the U.N. from corporate capture', the environmental organisation Friends of the Earth (FoE) complained that, "There are ... real concerns about the increasing influence of major corporations and business lobby groups within the U.N."

The report went on to detail the extraordinary level of businesses' influence over the positions of national governments in multilateral negotiations.

"Business representatives dominate certain U.N. discussion spaces and some U.N. bodies; business groups are given a privileged advisory role; U.N. officials move back and forth (from) the private sector; and - last but not least - U.N. agencies are increasingly financially dependent on the private sector."

One blatant example of this "corporate capture" of the U.N. is the Anglo-Dutch oil giant Shell, which, thanks to senior executive representatives in several corporate lobbying groups, was omnipresent during the Rio+20 negotiations.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 04:24:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]
This isn't really new, but it's still interesting.

Pension managers eye megasolar plants as solid investment in light of feed-in tarrif

With the launch of Japan's feed-in tariff system, capital from pensions is about to flow into collective investment schemes for building and operating the country's large-scale megasolar plants, likely prompting further spread of the renewable power generation technology.

The feed-in tariff, which went into effect on July 1, requires utilities to buy power generated by energy producers using solar, wind and other renewable energy sources. Because the system sets energy prices high and offers 20-year contracts for energy producers in order to encourage investment by non-utility companies, it has appeal as a solid, long-term investment vouched for by the government.

Using capital collected from investors, investment funds will build megasolar plants and sell the energy generated by the plants to local power companies. Investors will be paid dividends once overhead costs are accounted for.

A fund set up by trading giant Mitsui & Co. and Tokio Marine Asset Management Co. will solicit 10 billion yen worth of investment as early as mid-July from corporate pensions to set up 12 megasolar plants across Japan. Orix Corp., a financial services group, is also planning to build several plants around the country. It aims to establish a pension fund by next summer and procure 30 billion yen within three years.

Experts had predicted earlier that the price of solar energy would be set at around 35 to 39 yen per kilowatt hour, but the Economy, Trade and Industry Ministry set it at 42 yen per kilowatt hour. If an energy producer were to acquire a contract now, the tariff would remain unchanged for 20 years. This makes it "not highly profitable, but stable," which corporate pensions seek, according to Mitsui & Co.

Solar Power Business using agricultural facilities

The National Federation of Agricultural Co-operative Associations (JA ZEN-NOH) and Mitsubishi Corporation (MC?have reached an agreement to jointly promote the solar power business by using the rooftops of facilities owned by farmers around the country and JA group s shared facilities (such as large livestock barns, sorting stations, logistics facilities, and food and beverage plants). Established within the framework of the Feed In Tariff (FIT) enacted on July 1st, 2012, this initiative seeks to reactivate the agricultural sector and revitalize farming communities as well as to expand renewable energy options in the furure.

The JA they're talking about here is the omnipresent agricultural co-op union that basically runs all agriculture in Japan.  Most produce sold in Japan has a JA label, and their banks, credit entities, and stores are everywhere.

by Zwackus on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 11:45:38 PM EST
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A twenty-year deal with "not highly profitable, but stable" prices - the whole point of feed-in tariffs.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 02:51:58 AM EST
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BBC News - Giant Burmese python caught in Florida

The biggest Burmese python ever caught in Florida's wild has been captured in the Everglades, US scientists say.

The snake measuring 17ft 7in (5.18m) and weighing 164lb (74kg) was found in Everglades National Park, the University of Florida announced.

The python - now dead - was pregnant with 87 eggs, also believed to be a record.

more revell-ations.

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:43:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 10:19:31 AM EST
IPS - Mexican Victims of Violence Take Aim Against U.S. Firearms | Inter Press Service

MEXICO CITY, Aug 11 2012 (IPS) - "The United States should stop producing so many weapons, which cause us so much harm. That country also suffers from so much violence, as billions of dollars go into manufacturing guns."

That is the message that anti-crime activist Fernando Ocegueda will take to the public in the United States, during a one-month visit to that country by the Caravan for Peace with Justice and Dignity, made up of 70 family members of victims of violence in Mexico.

"We are feeling hopeless because we are ignored," said Ocegueda, who sells electronic goods. "Our mission is to raise awareness about the indiscriminate sales of (assault) weapons, which flow over the border into our country, where they generate so much violence."

Ocegueda, the founder of the human rights group Unidos por los Desaparecidos de Baja California (United for the Disappeared of Baja California), is still searching for his son Fernando Ocegueda, who was taken from his home in the Mexican border city of Tijuana in February 2007 by men wearing uniforms of the Agencia Federal de Investigaciones, a federal police agency.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 03:43:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Mexico should argue that drugs should be equally as available as guns. so if the US wants drugs stopped, they're gonna have to stop the guns.

Easy

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 03:26:40 AM EST
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Not Gonna Happen.

The problem is that in both cases, the manufacturing cost is very low. To control either, a regulatory regime comparable to that of Prohibition would be required, with the expected side effects.

by asdf on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 12:38:25 PM EST
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Most countries manage to control the dissemination of firearms.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 01:34:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
US controls the dissemination of guns by consumer discretionary income:  if you ain't got the bucks or the credit, you can't have one.  

Works well.

(For some definitions of "works" and "well.")

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 02:30:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
We have an example, Texas A-M shooter in custody; multiple injuries reported:

Texas A&M University reports on its website that an "active shooter" is in custody in the area of the school.

The university, located in College Station, Texas, initially reported the shooter at 12:29 p.m. CT, and reported 15 minutes later that he was in custody.

At least two people were shot.

If the Constitution hating IslamocommieObamaLovers running Texas A&M hadn't restricted students carrying AK-47s on campus this wouldn't have happened.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 02:36:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Right, because a second-hand pistol costs about $99, and there are some people who can't afford that.
by asdf on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 02:49:20 PM EST
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IPS - Women Now Have a Voice in Chile's Press | Inter Press Service

SANTIAGO, Aug 10 2012 (IPS) - "We always dreamed of a `heroine' who would not only denounce violence against women, but would also represent us in other spheres," Kena Lorenzini, the director of Chile's first feminist publication, told IPS.

She was referring to the on-line daily La MansaGuman, created solely by women.

The new publication is aimed at shedding light on the inequality and discrimination suffered by so many women in a country where two companies, El Mercurio and Copesa, which belong to some of the country's richest and most powerful families, control 90 percent of the written and on-line press.

Against that backdrop, launching an independent, progressive media outlet was not an easy task.

The heavy concentration of the media also translates into an ideological monopoly of the political right, which has a direct effect on the editorial line of publications, and more specifically, on the sources consulted and the way the news is approached.

Economist Gloria Maira told IPS that La MansaGuman "fills a major vacuum with respect to the media and the news available to people.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 03:52:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Insight: Mormon church made wealthy by donations | Reuters

(Reuters) - If the Mormon church were a business, wealthy adherents like Mitt Romney would count as its dominant revenue stream.

Its investment strategy would be viewed as risk-averse.

It would also likely attract corporate gadflies protesting a lack of transparency. They would call for less spending on real estate and more on charitable causes to improve membership growth - the Mormons' return on investment.

Those are a few of the conclusions that can be drawn from an analysis of the church's finances by Reuters and University of Tampa sociologist Ryan Cragun.

Relying heavily on church records in countries that require far more disclosure than the United States, Cragun and Reuters estimate that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints brings in some $7 billion annually in tithes and other donations.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 03:53:06 PM EST
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BBC News - London 2012: Games set for grand finale

A spectacular closing ceremony showcasing British music will draw the curtain on the 2012 London Olympics, hailed as "fabulous" by Games chiefs.

The finale, starting at 2100 BST, will feature about 4,000 performers alongside artists such as George Michael and the Spice Girls.

The 16 days of competition have been the most successful for Team GB in 104 years, with a tally of 29 golds.

The Queen said Team GB's "outstanding" performance had "inspired" the country.

In a special message, she congratulated all the British and Commonwealth athletes who had taken part and said they had "truly captured the public's imagination and earned their admiration".

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 04:04:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Rather boring and self-indulgent in the end - mostly very 80s, although Brian May was excellent and the Spice Girls were unexpectedly energetic. Eric Idle and Russell Brand were both embarrassing.

Possibly an irony failure dragging The Who out from their retirement castles to do My Generation - although they still wiped the floor with the pale imitation Kaiser Chiefs.

Spectacular lighting and fireworks.

Far more impressed by the opening, which had some unforgettable imagery.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 04:23:32 AM EST
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Crappy and self-indulgent is exactly how I saw it. I couldn't stay awake through the earlier part and missed Brian May and Eric Idle, as well as the fireworks. Agreed about the opening, too.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 07:15:17 AM EST
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Beppe Grillo's Blog
The South needs roads, railways, air links and everything else that it has been denied up to now, because the South can do it as long as no one holds it back in order to stop it from taking off!
They must not be allowed to produce anything, the South must remain our Customer, not a competitor! Except for some brief periods in the History of United Italy, the entire economy is based on the belief that the South must continue to be a consumer, not a producer. Italy was built upon the destruction of the great companies of the South, even by means of armed attack and by shooting on the workers. The largest metallurgical enterprises in Italy at the time were in Calabria. The largest mechanical factory complex at the time, one that was copied by all the industrialised Countries, was situated in Pietrazza and it was the only one that was able to supply the entire railway industry with everything it needed, from railway tracks through to locomotives. However, as long as the Pietrazza plant continued to operate, there was no chance for Ansaldo to take off, so they sent in the Bersaglieri Unit to shoot at the workers in order to shut down the Pietrazza plant, and that's precisely what happened.
When Piedmont built its railway system they went to Naples to buy their locomotives and when Italy was united in 1861, 60 of the 75 locomotives built in Italy and running throughout the Country had in fact been built down in the South! That was the industrial scene in Italy at the time of unity. But the South had to be stopped from producing so when all the money in Italy was put into common coffers, Vincenzo Saverio Nutti, the first Prime Minister of the new United Italy rather than the pre-Unity states discovered that 66% of that money had come from the South, while the rest of the Italians had only contributed the remaining 34%!
But then we saw how the money was later distributed. Bombrini was the General Manager of the first National Bank, the forerunner of the Italian Central Bank that was privately owned at the time and whose shares Mussolini eventually bought at a laughable price in order to turn it into a public bank. Bombrini administered that money for the benefit of Italy as a whole, allocating "x" millions of Lire to the Liguria Region, which was his native Region of course, "x" millions of Lire to the Piedmont Region, "x" millions of Lire to the Lombardy Region, "x" millions of Lire to the Tuscany Region and zero Lire, not 10 Lire but literally zero Lire to the Lucania Region and 10-thousand Lire to the Calabria Region. This was Italy's money, gathered mainly from the South and then distributed in this way! And then we marvel at the fact that the South is so inefficient in this day and age? I don't see this as inefficiency but rather I marvel at how efficient they are given that they have no less than 1/3 less infrastructure when compared to the North.


It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 12:32:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The South needs roads, railways, air links and everything else that it has been denied up to now, because the South can do it as long as no one holds it back in order to stop it from taking off!
Is this the same Beppe Grillo that has been railing against high-speed rail for 20 years?

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 12:37:10 PM EST
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no it's a guest on his blog.

beppe is against the TAV, i doubt he's against all highspeed rail, just local mob boondoggles.

click the link for further facts, it's really good. perhaps s. italy was so much richer back then because the sea lanes were more economically growthy than getting merch across the alps, and it's the road/rail 'improvements' have given more economic power to the north.

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 06:01:52 PM EST
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Italy's south can do with some line upgrades (there are decades-long projects all along the Naples-Messina-Palermo corridor for example) and even new conventional lines. On the other hand, such projects in mountainous Italy aren't any less major projects (and any less succeptible to construction corruption) than high-speed rail.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 06:20:12 PM EST
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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 10:19:58 AM EST
Swedish prince attacked at French nightclub - The Local
Sweden's Prince Carl Philip was attacked on Saturday outside a nightclub in Cannes in southern France, according to a report in Aftonbladet.

The 33-year-old prince was punched in the head by an unknown assailant, the newspaper reported.

... The King and the Queen have been informed of the incident.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 04:14:26 PM EST
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Skimpy round-up, but there's not much bar the Olympics.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 04:51:22 PM EST
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Thanks for doing it.


Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 11:53:11 PM EST
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This is . . . um . . . very Japanese, in a rather odd way.

Ikemen Market

Translation - Stylish Man Market

This was an ad on Facebook.  The icon, a woman throwing a man into a shopping cart, was bizarre enough that I actually clicked through. The little flash video on their front page is . . . um . . .

Men!  Become standardized commodities!  Women!  Go Shopping!

by Zwackus on Sun Aug 12th, 2012 at 11:52:43 PM EST
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Japan is weird.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 12:07:13 AM EST
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The only weird thing about that is the gender reversal with respect to the Wester™ standard. Have Japanese women started buying mail-order Russian husbands online yet?

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 02:08:49 AM EST
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I think it's a little more odd than that.  Mail Order Brides are sketchy and frowned upon, but they're not outright purchase and sale.  That a company thought this was a great theme to use in their advertising is a rather impressive display of Japan's . . . unique sensibilities.

I mean, how long would any sort of website offering its users the chance to buy the man or woman of their dreams survive in the USA?

by Zwackus on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 03:44:23 AM EST
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Hm, I could perfectly imagine such an advertisement campaign in, say, Austria.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 07:17:05 AM EST
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is 'comment replies' on tribex broken for anyone else since the latest FF update? the rest works fine.

...yes the FF update that purports to be so much faster than before, but now doesn't load tabs until you look at them, unlike before.

or is it my overpriced crap bandwidth?

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 09:20:33 AM EST
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I'm not sure what you mean by "comment replies".
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 10:13:33 AM EST
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The extra option added at the end of the Tools menu.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 10:31:57 AM EST
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oops. I've never noticed it before...

It isn't doing anything for me when I try it.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 10:41:36 AM EST
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it's a handy tool.

it was always the slowest page in all of ET to load, but it used to work reliably 50% of the time!

btw, i'd like to compliment the site gnomes for the extreme snappiness of ET, it is by far the swiftest i go to, and the first to pop up when opening up, say, 15-20 tabs. great work, thanks!

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 05:04:00 PM EST
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Could you specify and confirm from which FF version broke Comment replies? I checked developer notices for FF11-15 (with FF14 being the current version), and the only relevant changes (affecting XMLHttpRequest) were in FF11 and FF12. However, I couldn't identify any problem with the old code so far. (Tomorrow, I shall test it at my work computer, where, due to, running Windows 2000, I only have FF12.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 01:14:14 PM EST
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thanks DoDo.

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 06:06:09 PM EST
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My pleasure, but could you reply to the FF version question :-)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 06:16:10 PM EST
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oops, sorry. i think it was v.12. the laptop went in for a new HD and came back with this new version. it's the only explanation i can think of, unless everyone else has the same result.

am i maybe the only one who used it? lol

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Aug 13th, 2012 at 07:16:17 PM EST
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I got off using it when it didn't work on my work computer with an earlier version of TribExt and used it only occasionally after I fixed that problem.

Thanks for naming the version; now I see it doesn't work with the FF12 on my work computer, either, so that at least narrows down the search for the cause to the FF12 and FF11 changes. I can't promise a speedy solution, as I have already looked at the relevant ones last night. It would be nice if someone would still around to look at it herself too...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Aug 14th, 2012 at 04:21:40 AM EST
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thanks again, DoDo, don't want to add to your workload.

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:00:21 AM EST
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