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by ceebs Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 04:16:58 PM EST

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Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 03:27:41 PM EST
BBC News - Germany accuses four of breaking Iran nuclear embargo

Four men have been arrested in Germany on suspicion of illegally supplying Iran with parts needed to build a nuclear reactor.

The suspects were held following searches of homes and business in Hamburg, Oldenburg and Weimar.

They are accused of using front companies in Turkey and Azerbaijan to supply the parts in deals worth millions of euros.

Germany has an embargo on nuclear-related trade with Iran.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 03:55:59 PM EST
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Do Standard chartered Bank have a nuclear industrial subsidiary ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 09:54:57 AM EST
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http://www.standardchartered.com/_documents/Nuclear_Power_Generation_Position_Statement.pdf

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 03:40:55 PM EST
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BBC News - Italy memorial to Fascist hero Graziani sparks row

A political row has erupted in Italy after a memorial was opened to fascist commander Field Marshal Rodolfo Graziani, a convicted war criminal.

Graziani was honoured with a mausoleum and memorial park, built at taxpayers' expense, in a village south of Rome.

He was notorious as Benito Mussolini's military commander in colonial wars in Ethiopia and Libya where he carried out massacres and used chemical weapons.

Italy's main leftist party has protested against the commemoration.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 03:56:21 PM EST
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I'm certain sometime in the future there'll be memorials erected to the glory of Dick Cheney.

I have a t-shirt with that on it. And whatever you do, DON'T BLINK!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 08:11:36 PM EST
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The Spanish Robin Hood | World news | The Guardian

Last week, and not for the first time, Juan Manuel Sánchez Gordillo found himself in the Spanish headlines. Dubbed "Robin Hood" by El Pais, Sánchez Gordillo, the mayor of a small town in rural Andalusia, led farm labourers into supermarkets to expropriate basic living supplies: they filled trolleys with pasta, sugar, chickpeas and milk, left without paying, and distributed the loot to local food banks. His reasoning was blunt: "The crisis has a face and a name. There are many families who can't afford to eat."

It's hard to overstate how close to the brink Spain is at the moment. Unemployment is at 25% nationally (higher than Greece), 34% in Andalusia and 53% for 16-to-24-year-olds; miners in Asturias are firing homemade rocket launchers at riot police; repossessions and the collapse of the construction industry have left 800,000 empty homes, and, last May, the 8 million-strong indignados protest movement, a forerunner of Occupy, announced its total lack of faith in parliamentary democracy to solve any of these problems. And this is just the phoney war: last month, the prime minister, Mariano Rajoy, announced spending cuts of ¤65bn (£51bn) over the next two years.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 03:59:12 PM EST
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Spanish 'Robin Hood' mayor sets off on three-week march | World news | guardian.co.uk

A Spanish mayor who became a cult hero for staging robberies at supermarkets and giving stolen groceries to the poor sets off this week on a three-week march that could embarrass the government and energise anti-austerity campaigners.

Juan Manuel Sánchez Gordillo, mayor of the town of Marinaleda - population 2,645 - in the southern region of Andalusia, said food stolen last week in the robberies went to families hit hardest by Spain's economic crisis.

Seven people have been arrested for participating in the two raids, in which union activists, cheered on by supporters, piled food into supermarket carts and walked out without paying while Sanchez Gordillo, 59, stood outside.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 03:59:29 PM EST
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Today you, tomorrow the rest of us. Get used to it.

I have a t-shirt with that on it. And whatever you do, DON'T BLINK!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 08:14:56 PM EST
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What do you do when the grocery stores say FU and board their places up? When do you "approach" the real problem ... the wealthy and the bribed politicians?

I have a t-shirt with that on it. And whatever you do, DON'T BLINK!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 08:42:45 PM EST
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Reasonable question. These things start local, then when people start organising and possibly even threaten the root of the problem, the citizenry are declared to be terrorists and the USAF launch an air strike in order to bring them the fruits of democracy

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 09:57:24 AM EST
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Pussy Riot supporters detained during protest | Music | The Guardian

Three activists protesting in support of jailed feminist punk band Pussy Riot were detained on Wednesday as tensions in the Russian capital heat up ahead of a verdict in a trial that is being seen as a key test of Vladimir Putin's crackdown on dissent.

Wearing the bright balaclavas made famous by Pussy Riot, 18 men and women gathered on the steps of the Cathedral of Christ the Saviour carrying a sign with the biblical quote "blessed are the merciful".

Guards at the cathedral broke up the peaceful protest, ripping off activists' masks, twisting their arms behind their backs and kicking at least one photographer in the face as he tried to take a picture.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 03:59:52 PM EST
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Canary Islands firefighters make progress tackling forest fires | World news | guardian.co.uk

Cooler temperatures and favourable winds are helping firefighters tackle an 11-day-old fire raging on the Canary Island of La Gomera, Spanish authorities said on Wednesday.

The forest fire is among the worst to have affected Spain so far in 2012. This year wildfires have caused triple the damage of the previous year, and critics say cutbacks are hampering efforts to deal with the blazes.

The Canary Islands regional government said on Wednesday that the fire on the island, which lies off the north African coast, was still out of control. But firefighters were making better progress because of a sudden drop in temperatures and a change in wind direction.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 04:00:10 PM EST
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Cannabis farm discovered in Mussolini-era tunnel beneath Rome - video | World news | guardian.co.uk
Italian police find a huge, flourishing cannabis farm in an abandoned metro tunnel built beneath Rome during the fascist era of Benito Mussolini. Video footage released by the police shows rows of marijuana plants stretching along the 4,000 square metre tunnel, stacks of bags filled with cannabis, weighing and processing equipment and artificial lights


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 04:01:05 PM EST
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Say what you like, but Mussolini sure knew how to run things efficiently. And the cannabis is still there. Astounding.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 10:02:51 AM EST
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Exclusive: G4S proves we can't always rely on private sector, admits minister - UK Politics - UK - The Independent

G4S's failure to provide enough Olympic security guards has taught ministers that private firms are unsuited to providing many public services, the Defence Secretary has admitted.

In an interview with The Independent, Philip Hammond said the G4S saga had caused him to rethink his scepticism towards the public sector - and made him appreciate there were some things that only state organisations like the Army could be relied upon to do.

Mr Hammond's frank admission of the limits of the private sector, from a minister currently overseeing the largest overhaul of Britain's armed forces in a generation, will be welcomed by senior military commanders. Some have privately expressed concerns Mr Hammond is intent on pushing through a programme of creeping privatisation as cuts force troops to rely increasingly on commercial contractors.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 04:03:43 PM EST
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Mr. Hammond, your faith isn't firm enough!

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 03:48:36 AM EST
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Mr Hammond, you don't understand. We don't privatise things in order to make them better or even cheaper, we do so to legitimize the transfer of money from poor taxpayers to the rentier classes by claiming we are buying privatised services from them

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 10:00:09 AM EST
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What Hammond is saying is that he now realizes he should send the Army in more often.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 10:04:43 AM EST
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BBC News - State of Play 1 - The Tories

Hello all - it's @TobyMasonBBC here with some summer political reading, and a chance for a look in detail at the fortunes of the four main parties in Wales. What's the current state of play, what might the next year or so hold for them - and how might their strategies unfold?

First up, let's examine the Welsh Conservatives. It would not be an understatement to say that the party in Wales is close to a state of civil war. Tensions between Cardiff and Westminster, whose origins date back years, are coming to a head. What was a fracture has become a fissure and is approaching a chasm.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 04:04:10 PM EST
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Church's 'Prayer for France' angers gay rights groups - FRANCE - FRANCE 24

Gay rights groups in France have reacted angrily to the Catholic Church after it issued a call to prayer to protect the sacriment of marriage from same-sex couples.

The controversial "Prayer for France" has been sent out to churches across the country to be read out on August 15 to mark the feast of the Assumption.

The prayer's subject matter is designed to mobilise Catholics against François Hollande's Socialist Party government, which recently affirmed plans to open up marriage and adoption to gay couples.

In a thinly veiled reference to the proposed gay marriage bill, Cardinal Andre Vingt-Trois asked churchgoers to pray for "newly elected officials" to put their "sense of common good over the pressure to meet special demands".



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 04:15:54 PM EST
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Rajoy, the man of a thousand U-turns: Rajoy announces extension of 400-euro subsidy for worst-off unemployed (14 August 2012)
Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy announced on Tuesday that his government is going to extend a 400-euro monthly subsidy that is currently being handed out to 200,000 of Spain's more than five million unemployed people, and was due to end this week. The public aid program, known as the Plan Prepara, was introduced by the preceding Socialist government.

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It was another turn-around for Rajoy, who last month said that Plan Prepara would be eliminated as part of a set of budget-cutting measures. Participants in Plan Prepara are among the neediest in terms of state support, given that to qualify for the scheme they must have already exhausted their regular unemployment benefit, and have annual income of less than 75 percent of the minimum wage (7,696 euros). In exchange, recipients join a program aimed at getting them into the job market.

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It wasn't immediately clear on Tuesday exactly how long the unemployed will be able to draw from the fund, but reports suggested that the scheme would run for at least six more months. The details of the measure, which Rajoy announced after meeting with King Juan Carlos in Palma de Mallorca, will be approved by the Cabinet next week retroactively from Thursday, the day that the money budgeted for the plan would have run out.



If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 06:28:56 PM EST
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Wikileaks: government threatens to take Julian Assange out of Ecuador's embassy - Telegraph
The government has threatened to enter the Ecuadorian embassy in London and arrest WikiLeaders founder Julian Assange, who is seeking political asylum there.

The dramatic development came two months after Mr Assange suddenly walked into the embassy in a bid to avoid being extradited to Sweden where he faces allegations of sexual assault.

Ecuador's minister for foreign affairs, Ricardo Patino, released details of a letter he said was delivered through a British embassy official in Quito, and said that the Ecuadorian government would announce on Thursday whether it would give Mr Assange asylum.

The letter said: "You need to be aware that there is a legal base in the UK, the Diplomatic and Consular Premises Act 1987, that would allow us to take actions in order to arrest Mr Assange in the current premises of the Embassy.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 07:58:04 PM EST
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UK 'threatens' to raid Ecuador embassy over Assange - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

"I think that irrespective of the position adopted by Ecuador, whatever sort of asylum arrangement that might be put in place is either going to be symbolic or it's going to be very temporary. We'll likely to see Mr Assange facing extradition to Sweden in the very near future."

Mr Assange has not been charged with any offence in Sweden or in the US.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 08:30:16 PM EST
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Coming Decision to Be Announced on Julian Assange's Asylum Request (Live Blog) | The Dissenter

Now, he was surprised. How could the UK not respect the embassy's sovereignty? How could it even suggest that it might not consider respecting the embassy without seeming incredibly overbearing?

The decision will be announced at 7 am Ecuador Time. 

11:40 PM EST Ecuadorians gather outside UK embassy in Ecuador to protest British intimidation ahead of decision.

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The decision appears to be destined to produce a major diplomatic crisis. Ecuador apparently called for an emergency meeting of the Organization of American States (OAS) and Union of South American Nations to discuss this "threat" against a Latin American country's embassy by the UK.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 03:07:49 AM EST
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ABC:

Mr Assange has not been charged with any offence in Sweden or in the US.

Because in Sweden, charging the files comes after hearing the suspect (who can stay silent if they want). However, he is remanded in absentia based on the strong suspicions and his lwayers has exhausted the possibilities to appeal that remand decision. After he is heard, he will promptly be tried unless his statements prompts further investigations.

Enough with this minute differences in procedure. To reverse it: People can be charged in the anglosaxon court system without even been heard?! Scandal!

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 05:12:27 AM EST
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Filing the charges... but your way captures the spirit of the thing better.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 11:28:38 AM EST
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The inviolability of diplomatic and consular premises | The Law Gazette

Inviolability guarantees the sanctity of diplomatic and consular premises.

While it does not place premises above the law, anybody who remains on diplomatic or consular premises can take refuge from the law.

The Diplomatic and Consular Premises Act 1987 ('the Act') is the vehicle for reforming the government's powers for dealing with the abuse of diplomatic and consular premises.

Under the Act where premises are misused, their diplomatic or consular status may be lost, together with all concomitant rights, (including inviolability).

Two important consequences result from loss of status; the sending state is liable to pay the rates of the premises, and significantly, the premises can be entered and searched.

This article considers the circumstances under which inviolability may be lost.



Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 05:01:27 AM EST
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by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 07:08:54 AM EST
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"This article considers the circumstances under which inviolability may be lost."

It looks like this - the Diplomatic and Consular Premises Act 1987 - is the legal basis upon which the UK authorities are basing their threat; rather lengthy and convoluted, but there are provisions to remove the diplomatic status of the premises, in case they are "misused". Granted, not as swift as laser guided bombs, but aren't the Olympics over now?

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 08:46:03 AM EST
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National law can't beat international law. It's an interesting tactics though: they wouldn't violate the embassy's sovereignty--they would re-define (abolish) the embassy's status first. Reminds me of the semantic absence of torture in US camps of detention.
by Katrin on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 09:03:34 AM EST
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Good point, but in reality national law tends to trump international most of the time, if not all the time. The archaic, Westphalian-era legal framework, which still provides the basis for even the UN and other international institutions, just didn't specify that the world is in any way a federal kind of system where international law ever supercedes national law, security councils and world courts notwithstanding.  Rather, as trade policy researchers find, international law serves more as an organizing framework for internationally- minded political actors within at given country to contest policies with others within their national polities.  

Think of international law as a kind of forum for world-focused people in which they can commit among themselves to taking specific actions within their own national polities, most of which are local-focused people, usually with very little consequences for failing to deliver on those commitments.

by santiago on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 02:10:45 PM EST
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Sorry, I prefer to go on thinking international law as binding, and I find your idea that "in reality" it is not very strange. Which researchers do you have in mind? The UK has undertaken to honour the Vienna Convention which bans an assault on an embassy. This is binding law and cannot be altered by national legislation. Of course the UK can un-sign and un-ratify the thing, but then their embassies all over the world would be without protection. This would be the one thing that is even stupider than their behaviour of today.
by Katrin on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 02:35:36 PM EST
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Well, there are a lot of ways to address this, but just a simple legalistic one would be that unless the constitution (formal or informal) of your particular country (and I really doubt this is the case for the UK but I know it is not the case for the US) declares that its national institutions must be consistent with and subservient to its treaty obligations, it means that there is nothing effectively binding about any treaty outside of the political consequences for violating it.

Instead, as far as legal interpretations go, since we are still living under a nation-state legal framework for international law, the concept of national sovereignty says that national institutions take precedence over international obligations.

by santiago on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 03:20:03 PM EST
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Strange idea. Of course we live under a "nation-state legal framework". That's why the national legislators must ratify treaties to make them binding law. This is true for the UK and the US, too, as for any other states. I've heard of the notion that law that is "breakable" doesn't exist before: criminals tend to argue that. And neocons. It's might over right.

Oh, and by the way, What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander

by Katrin on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 03:53:25 PM EST
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If one presumes instead that law is merely one of many implements or strategies by which people go about gaining the cooperation of others -- force, persuasion, exchange, sex, aesthetics, faith are all examples other implements -- and that the more general phenomenon of power is what provides better evidence of relationships among nations and people in general, then terms like "might makes right" and "rule of law" can be put in perspective.

As Nobel winner Elinor Ostrom pointed out, if no one can apply consequences to violators of a rule in any organization of the commons, then we can't really say that the rule is anything other than voluntary and subject to the preference of the individual, not the larger community. Such appears to be the case with foreign embassies in great nations.  

by santiago on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 04:21:24 PM EST
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And why should one presume such a thing? We aren't talking about individuals getting their peers to cooperate. We are talking about states and the law inside these states and the law in the relations of states.

And what on earth can you mean by your claim that it was a problem of the commons? Very odd to quote Elinor Ostrom here.

You seem to say that if there is a bully that can violate embassies, any law protecting embassies is obsolete. You are forgetting what embassies are for. They can't exist without protection. Do you want a world without diplomatic relations?

by Katrin on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 04:38:10 PM EST
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The reason it makes sense to presume such a thing is that in the observable world we live in, that anyone actually follows a given rule or custom (i.e. institution) is as curious and rare as not following it.  Even in government, most policies aren't successfully implemented the way legislation intended them to be on paper. (This was a well-studied phenomenon in political science in the 1970's -- that government itself can barely follow its own rules under many kinds of conditions.)  

So if what's written on paper isn't really the final arbitrator, something else must be, and numerous philosophers ranging from Max Weber and Carl Schmitt on the right, to Hannah Arendt and Deborah Stone on the left, to Michel Faucault and Jurgen Habermas have all focused on the concept of power as a key relationship-defining variable that should be watched and defined instead of law, which is merely one of many manifestations of power in society.

A more general way of looking at it that corresponds better to what we can actually observe in society is that a law is an outcome of a more general contest for power, and whether a law is followed or not is also and outcome of subsequent, ongoing contests for power among rival coalitions.  There is nothing sacrosanct about a law just because it is written by your state, nor should there be, I would argue, for free people.

by santiago on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 04:54:33 PM EST
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The alternative to the rule of the law is the rule of the strongest. Might is right. You should think twice if you really want that.
by Katrin on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 05:25:51 PM EST
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I disagree.  First of all, there is a difference between what one might want morally, and what the world actually is like.  But the alternative to the rule of law is rule by organizing relationships.  Might, if you mean by that the use of violence, is very limited in its ability to do that -- only through threat can it organize people to do things, and by its use it can eliminate people's capacity to organize relationships thus reducing competitors for power. Law is one strategy of trying to compel people to cooperate, and threat of force is another strategy. Moral persuasion, cultural norms, money, etc. are all other strategies for organizing people to cooperate, so the alternative to rule by law is rule by a variety of strategies for cooperating, most of them non-violent and many of them less coercive than even law.
by santiago on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 05:55:52 PM EST
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A world without an international system is a commons, just like any other commons -- a space for which there are no established institutions for using resources and settling disputes.  The nation-state system we live provides a meta-constitutional framework, in Ostrom's terms, for going about the work of establishing national polities and contesting power within and between such states, even establishing norms for use of violence. So Ostrom's framework is very much applicable to thinking about how a state might decide to not follow it's own commitments regarding a treaty to respect embassies. After all, even before any treaties regarding embassies, embassies have existed between polities for millenia, just operating under different rules and norms for protecting diplomatic work.

I would much rather have a world where embassies were respected, but there is no reason to expect that respect for embassies is an outcome of anything other than an ongoing balance of power between competing factions.  The implication for activists and concerned parties is to watch who is winning or waning in the power struggle and be ready to participate, and to not trust too much in what an an ancient document says.

by santiago on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 06:07:38 PM EST
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A world without an international system is a commons, just like any other commons -- a space for which there are no established institutions for using resources and settling disputes.

Help no, that's not a commons. A commons has rules and institutions. It is a form of property rights, not a form of society as such. And since we are not focusing on production I really don't know why you are harping on the commons. Self-referential property rights would be more appropriate. (That's property that owns itself.)

...and to not trust too much in what an an ancient document says.

Are you by any chance meaning the Vienna Convention by "ancient document"? It was adopted in the 1970's and that makes it less ancient than I am and as a matter of fact I don't think of myself as ancient...

I would much rather have a world where embassies were respected, but there is no reason to expect that respect for embassies is an outcome of anything other than an ongoing balance of power between competing factions.

Rubbish. States have diplomatic relations because these increase their security.  

by Katrin on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 06:38:33 PM EST
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No, a commons may have rules and institutions, or it may not, such as in the "Tragedy of the commons."

Yes, I am referring to "ancient document" in the broad sense to make sport of it, criticizing any undue weight given to any sober, epistemic efforts without analyzing the the power going on behind it. Laws are an extraordinarily useful institutions for organizing relationships, but they area not the only means of doing that and not the only non-violent means or even the most useful.  

Security is a subset of the larger condition of power, of gaining cooperation, and that's what embassies are for -- organizing relationships.

by santiago on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 06:51:02 PM EST
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No, a commons may have rules and institutions, or it may not, such as in the "Tragedy of the commons."

Aargh! In the problem known as the tragedy of the commons rules and institutions turn out to be inadequate, but you haven't understood anything if you believe they were inexistent. Ostrom's findings have to do with how and by whom rules are made and altered, not with any fantasised absence of rules! The commons is a form of property and EVERY form of property is the result of law.

You are consistently conflating the ways individuals (!) organise relationships, especially with their peers, with groups organising hierarchical relations.

by Katrin on Fri Aug 17th, 2012 at 02:14:45 AM EST
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Nothing I am talking about depends in any way upon whether or not a commons can be conceived of as without rules or not.  Let's just say it your way to see the point I am making:  An international system is a form of a commons, so Ostrom's approach is relevant if you agree with her approach. Property rights and such things are relevant only if economic activity is an important operation in a commons.  If security, say, is what is important in a commons then rules, customs, and characteristics that affect agents' security are the units of analysis instead.

I'm not sure what you're getting at about the difference between groups organizing hierarchical relationships and individuals relating with peers. In either case, the most general observable pattern of relationships has to do with agents gaining, or failing to gain, the cooperation of others in group projects. If there is something different about groups doing this with hierarchical relationships than individuals then that is a characteristic that can be observed and identified, but it doesn't change anything fundamental about the centrality of cooperation, or lack thereof, in human relationships.  Laws are still just a written form of institutions, so, invoking Ostrom again, you have to dig deeper to find the actual compelling reason one should feel a given law is binding in any way or should take precedence over other laws or institutions.

by santiago on Fri Aug 17th, 2012 at 03:12:48 AM EST
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Let's just say it your way to see the point I am making:  An international system is a form of a commons

No, it is not. The word commons denotes a form of property, not an international system.  

by Katrin on Fri Aug 17th, 2012 at 03:39:08 AM EST
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No, the commons does not have to involve property at all. That is but one specification of the more abstract concept -- a case study. Commons, in the way Ostrom approaches it, refers more generally to a space around which a polity may be formed, whether it is around economic resources or other matters of importance.  That is why the approach to studying the property relationships of a commons was also used by her to study things as far away from property concepts as US presidential election institutions. I am using commons in the more abstract sense of the institutional outcomes of attempts to cooperate with one another -- i.e., a polity.
by santiago on Fri Aug 17th, 2012 at 03:52:17 AM EST
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if no one can apply consequences to violators of a rule in any organization of the commons, then we can't really say that the rule is anything other than voluntary and subject to the preference of the individual, not the larger community. Such appears to be the case with foreign embassies in great nations.

Britain, however, is not a great nation. It is a minor nation with delusions of adequacy.

As the British may be about to find out.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 08:06:20 PM EST
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Yeah, that seems to be the key point.

I tend to agree with Santiago's interpretation of the whole International Law idea.  Given that, the real question is, can the UK and the various forces that support the arrest of Assange actually get away with ignoring the International treaties and precedents in this particular case?

It's rather hard not to believe that the UK and Sweden are acting with the general support and encouragement of the USA.  Who will stand up for Ecuador?  After all, if they're the only ones who really feel put out by having their embassy violated, it's hard to see any real negative consequences.

by Zwackus on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 09:02:55 PM EST
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The problem with that expedient definition of law is that it's immensely vulnerable to unintended consequences.

You may think, as a thug and a bully, that you can get away with kicking sand in the face of the local weakling.

And perhaps you can.

But perhaps you can't. You can only gamble that the weakling has no obvious backup, and that your actions won't come back to haunt you at a later date.

Which is true of Ecuador? No one knows - but I would be extremely surprised if a raid on an embassy didn't have bad consequences for British citizens abroad at some point in the future.

So while Santiago witters on about 'organising relationships' as if he knows what he's talking about and we should all listen to his cynical admiration for realpolitik, he misses the point that expediency is not predictability.

The point of the rule of law isn't just that relationships are organised or even that some form of sane consensus morality prevails, but that having everyone know where they stand not only protects the weak from the strong, it also discourages the strong from overreach and arrogant stupidity.

Might does not make right. Sometimes might is just plain idiotic and self-destructive, and it needs to be protected from itself for everyone's sake including its own.

As nation-state aggressors regularly discover, taking on a weak opponent often has unpredictable costs.

Sometimes those costs are much more unpleasant than anyone expects.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 09:24:14 PM EST
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In short, you can't always know in advance who the stronger one is. Yes, I think the US and their satellites will experience some surprises in future.
by Katrin on Fri Aug 17th, 2012 at 02:21:53 AM EST
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The point of the rule of law isn't just that relationships are organised or even that some form of sane consensus morality prevails, but that having everyone know where they stand not only protects the weak from the strong, it also discourages the strong from overreach and arrogant stupidity.

This is a good, hypothetical question. You appear to be hypothesizing that the law itself has an organizing force of its own -- that it is a causal agent in its own right -- that it causes the strong to avoid overreach and arrogance independent, or in addition to, other human cooperative activity. An alternative hypothesis would be that the law is merely an ongoing reflection, or implement, of actual, living, human agents' actions to gain each others' cooperation -- that the law is a following indicator, not a leading one.

My alternative says that law is just a tool for power.  Yours says that the law is power itself. Now, to figure out a way to see which way of looking at it is more correct ...

by santiago on Fri Aug 17th, 2012 at 11:45:08 AM EST
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Of course the law has power. Like all social institutions, it organizes what people think and, more particularly, what they find unthinkable. It absolutely does make sense to treat the myths we tell each other as independent phenomena in their own right.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Aug 17th, 2012 at 03:00:37 PM EST
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But it doesn't have agency. So treating it as if it does, instead of being an implement of true agents who really do, seems problematic and possibly misleading.  This is kind of important because one of the useful features of law as as a tool for organizers is that if you think laws are "good" or compelling independent of what they say, you are more likely to be duped into cooperation by others just because it's the law.
by santiago on Fri Aug 17th, 2012 at 03:15:49 PM EST
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If you trust the hegemon will enforce the law, you can enter into legal contracts with others.

Relations with the hegemon are different of course.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 17th, 2012 at 03:20:01 PM EST
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But it does have agency. Anyone who has seen a riot break out will know that collective social phenomena impose their own rules on human behavior.

It may not be the rules that the legitimizing myths of those social phenomena claim. But it's no less real for that.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Aug 17th, 2012 at 04:03:16 PM EST
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That's a good point. But I am not sure that it is quite the same thing.
by santiago on Sat Aug 18th, 2012 at 02:27:17 PM EST
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In principle, you are right.

As a practical matter, I think this is an instance where one can legitimately invoke Friedman's as if justification and treat social institutions as having some limited agency, instead of attempting to decompose their influence into smaller components.

A matter of which scale you work at, I suppose.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Aug 18th, 2012 at 02:55:55 PM EST
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But since laws can't write themselves, but are rather the outcomes of other contests for power, it's not correct to put them, or other institutions in the same category as individuals or organizations.  
by santiago on Sat Aug 18th, 2012 at 02:32:43 PM EST
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Culture - including law - is much more than the outcome of a contest for power.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Aug 18th, 2012 at 03:44:01 PM EST
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I haven't said otherwise.  Although it begs the question, how much more?
by santiago on Sat Aug 18th, 2012 at 06:07:10 PM EST
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Another way of putting it is this:  Law primarily constrains the weak, not the strong.
by santiago on Fri Aug 17th, 2012 at 11:48:09 AM EST
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Consequences constrain everyone.

The powerful sometimes believe otherwise.

Not infrequently, they're wrong.

And yes - of course law, civilisation and culture are organising forces in themselves.

The central thread of Western intellectual development is the primacy of both abstraction and universality. Moral principles have an independent existence which does not rely on the ability of individuals to be violent and abusive.

In empires and monarchies, justice is distributed on the whims of the Big Man/Men.

Since you seem to believe this is a good thing, your position is essential imperial and monarchic - which is to say, fascist.

In developed civilisations, justice arises from the principle of justice as a concept that can be appealed to, and from multiple checks and balances that constrain the power urges of any one individual or cabal.

This is a good thing, because excessive individual power urges are usually driven by psychological imbalance and are reliably destructive.

Spreading power around makes for a more creative and vibrant experience for everyone, except that tiny minority of wannabe-emperor crazies and their lackeys who make life so unpleasant for everyone else.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Aug 17th, 2012 at 12:09:54 PM EST
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Key point: Consequences constrain everyone.  Not the laws themselves.  Laws are only as useful as their ability to compel consequences upon violators. And such consequences have to come from some force outside of the laws themselves, i.e., real people engaging in a contest of power with a violator.

Thus, laws really don't constrain the strong very much at all, and to the extent they do, they are probably a small price for the strong to pay for gaining the cooperation of the weak in predictable, reciprocal framework in which the strong tend to prevail rather than the uncertainty of conflict. For example, who gains more by establishing a UN Assembly where the Ecuadors of the world can make self-righteous speeches instead of plotting violence against great powers like the US?  

For another example, Iran is still paying for taking the US embassy hostage while the US never faced any  consequences for bombing the Chinese embassy in Serbia.  After all, if you're strong enough you never have to face the consequences of violating even your own laws.  (That is Carl Schmitt's classic definition of sovereignty, btw.)

Might doesn't make right.  But might (and by that I mean power, not violence) is the only guarantee of rights and justice that are derived from moral discourse or cultural values.  The will to power used to be a progressive idea too. We needn't cede it to the right.

by santiago on Fri Aug 17th, 2012 at 02:22:22 PM EST
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No, you're wrong. The prospect of consequences constrains power. The consequences do not even need to be actual - they simply need to appear probable.

Laws are a tool - but not the only tool - for making likely consequences explicit.

And - to repeat my point - the powerful like to believe they are above consequences, almost by definition.

But this does not mean they really are.

Hitler believed he was powerful enough to create a vision of an all-conquering Germany that would last millennia.

In reality both Hitler and that version of Germany were utterly destroyed within a couple of decades.

If international law had been stronger the German and US political systems would have been able to understand the probable consequences more clearly, and Hitler's actions would have been constrained from the start - both directly and through limited US funding.

It was the absence of strong international law that made the Third Reich possible.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Aug 18th, 2012 at 03:52:10 PM EST
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Let's keep the basics for a minute. Consequences, or their prospect -- their threat if they are negative ones -- constrain power.  (Positive consequences, i.e., rewards also do, and in that case its not just the prospects.)  The only kind of consequences that can only restrain power through their threat is violence. (I can't think of another.)

To be powerful just means to be a good organizer -- nothing more or less.  This is true whether we are talking about individuals or about complex organizations.  Good people can be powerful and evil people can be too.  There are morally acceptable ways of organizing groups for collective ends and there are morally unacceptable or even downright evil ways of doing it.

Power, and the real world, does not follow a morality play logic.  The fact that sometimes arrogant tyrants overreach and end up meeting their end because of it does not in any way imply that such an outcome is ever to be expected.  Bad people often don't meet bad ends, and bad things happen to good people as well, so I hope you're not implying that powerful people have a tendency to create the sow the seeds of their own doom or anything like that.  

My argument here is that no law has power to compel cooperation outside of a collective effort to enforce it.  Just because it was written in the past, out of such a collective effort, does not mean that such support exists for it now, although we can probably expect an advantage for those who still support it because people are accustomed -- trained from birth really -- to follow authorities and the institutions of authorities.

Furthermore, international law is particularly weak because there really is no strong cultural or institutional framework, on this planet at least, for following international law.  There really is no cultural predisposition for the vast majority to think that international law holds some kind superiority or the institutions of the nation-state, and this means that tools other than laws are going to more useful for compelling cooperation among states or among transnational actors.

This is evident from the international laws in question here -- those of respecting diplomatic asylum. Many nations have never signed any such treaties accepting the concept of diplomatic asylum, and nations can always come up with new laws that contradict them as well because there really is no institutional expectation that self-determining, independent nations ever really have to do anything they agree to internationally.  So the consequences, or their threat, is really the only thing going for international law of any kind.  For example when Ecuador brought up this recent issue to the OAS to garner support there against Britain's threats, the United States simply ignored the issue, noting that it has never in the past recognized any legal concept of diplomatic asylum, something many countries, in fact don't do, although apparently Ecuador does.

Instead, Ecuador used a weaker, discursive claim that Britain was acting in bad faith because it basically was. Fortunately, it appears to be working so far, but if Britain had decided to use force to enter the embassy, legal or not, I would have wanted Ecuador to be willing contest it, up to an including if the British used violence -- in other words to throw the dice and go to conflict, which is where implements of the powerful to control outcomes is less certain.

by santiago on Sat Aug 18th, 2012 at 07:26:07 PM EST
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May I remind you what the incident was that triggered off this discussion: Britain thinks it can threaten Ecuador to raid its embassy and claims that was legal. It's not a case of the powerful against the weak: every tiny country is strong enough to raid the British embassy, and Britain says that's legal. Sauce for the gander. It's a neocon myth that international law is something to scorn.
by Katrin on Sun Aug 19th, 2012 at 05:15:46 AM EST
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Every tiny country can threaten to raid a British embassy, but few countries could withstand the consequences that may be brought to bear against them if they do.  This fact means that weak countries have to rely more on international institutions to help organize allies in their favor, while strong countries can usually get enough allies without international institutions. So, no, its not a matter of goose and gander, because the benefits and constraints of international law are not equally distributed.  And it's not just neocons who distrust international law.  Pretty much everyone does because, to date, they have a very poor record of coming through when you need them to.
by santiago on Sun Aug 19th, 2012 at 02:12:10 PM EST
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when Ecuador brought up this recent issue to the OAS to garner support there against Britain's threats, the United States simply ignored the issue, noting that it has never in the past recognized any legal concept of diplomatic asylum, something many countries, in fact don't do, although apparently Ecuador does

When the Vienna Convention was negotiated in the early 1970's, the US and the Soviet Union were perfectly agreed to omit the question of diplomatic asylum, while all Latin American countries wanted to have it included. There were some very funny speeches then, starting: "I know I mustn't mention asylum, but...". The compromise that was reached was that asylum wasn't mentioned, but the guarantee that embassies are inviolable is very broadly defined. The US have granted diplomatic asylum very often, and I wonder how they will react if China would echo their own statements next time the US grant asylum to a Chinese dissident.

by Katrin on Sun Aug 19th, 2012 at 05:33:59 AM EST
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I'll tell you exactly how they would react if China echoed their statements when housing a dissident, because it was how they react every time it has ever happened to date:  "Make my day."

A country like the US knows that even without the support of a formal law, the costs of violating its embassies could be made to be so high that it wouldn't be worth it just to grab a dissident.

Ecuador's strategy has to be to create the same threat for Britain.

The law is therefore only as strong as the power of those willing to enforce it.  

by santiago on Sun Aug 19th, 2012 at 02:06:09 PM EST
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Part of my personal interest with this issue is that, outing myself a little bit more here, I am Ecuadorian as well as American. And Ecuador is, regrettably, country with an extraordinarily poor history of diplomatic accomplishments, and one of the reasons our governments have been so bad at diplomacy is a persistently mistaken belief that the words on paper matter more than the power to compel everyone to abide by them. Ecuador's best strategy in this affair is to force a conflict with the UK over the issue, up to and including if UK authorities try to enter the embassy. It's an opportunity to contest power, not a crisis to be resolved. What I fear is that Ecuador will avoid a conflict instead in the end as it has always done, opting to uselessly clamor and complain at the UN or OEA (which is exactly the purpose of the UN and like institutions) instead of actually risking lives or sanctions in a confrontation with UK authorities, like we should.
by santiago on Fri Aug 17th, 2012 at 03:39:04 AM EST
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UK authorities won't try to enter the embassy, and I guess just now they are regretting very much that they even talked about doing so. In future, whenever someone throws a rock at a British embassy, they will be reminded that they don't want embassies to be protected as inviolable.  Ecuador has shown US and UK not living up to the values they proclaim: a journalist needs asylum. I don't know why you find Ecuador could have a problem. Assange clearly has one: he doesn't know if and when he can leave the embassy. The US and satellites have one too: they have been put in the North Korea class of countries one can't expect to honour human rights.
by Katrin on Fri Aug 17th, 2012 at 03:52:02 AM EST
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Actually the US, so far, has been able to keep its hands clean of this, by proxy.  

I've just seen Ecuador fold while holding really good hands of cards so many times in the past. The difference between the US (or for that matter the Iranian) approach to diplomacy and Ecuador's is that Ecuador thinks that making self-righteous demonstrations of others hypocrisy is a diplomatic victory, while the US (and Iran) think that actually getting your way constitutes success.  

by santiago on Fri Aug 17th, 2012 at 04:02:14 AM EST
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Ecuador thinks that making self-righteous demonstrations of others hypocrisy is a diplomatic victory, while the US (and Iran) think that actually getting your way constitutes success
All the poor and weak have, is their dignity.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 17th, 2012 at 04:26:19 AM EST
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Or their courage, no?
by santiago on Fri Aug 17th, 2012 at 11:29:04 AM EST
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Part and parcel.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 17th, 2012 at 11:39:24 AM EST
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Really? The US have used all sorts of harassment against persons who were involved with Wikileaks, and not only against Manning. Jake Appelbaum (and others) has been detained and searched whenever he traveled and this has only been stopped because it became too public. If that's clean hands for you, what is dirty hands?
by Katrin on Fri Aug 17th, 2012 at 05:56:12 AM EST
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Oh, I don't know.  Filing rape charges and holding someone against their will?
by santiago on Fri Aug 17th, 2012 at 10:28:48 AM EST
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Well - technically they just need to declare the embassy as a non-embassy, and then they can storm the place with their usual goons and drag off Assange in chains.

The law is whatever you make it, so just because someone wrote something on paper once doesn't mean you can't bend it if it suits you and if you think the consequences are unimportant enough not to cause problems later.

Of course the reality is that storming an embassy pretty much marks you out as a rogue state.

But somehow I doubt the Foreign Office is thinking about that right now.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 03:42:36 PM EST
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It's strange that they aren't thinking about that, isn't it?
by Katrin on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 03:54:54 PM EST
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My guess is they're bluffing. If the UK does it to Ecuador a lot of countries will do it to the UK. And that won't end well.

There will be negotiations going on behind the scenes.

I think the two likely outcomes are that Assange will give himself up, or that he'll be smuggled out of the UK.

Assange likes attention, but I'm not convinced he's willing to risk an extended jail term and/or death in the US.

He knows what happened to Bradley Manning and he won't want it to happen to him.

So Assange may disappear between now and the end of next week.

And if I were Ecuador, I'd be checking what the cleaners get up to when no one is looking at them.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 04:29:13 PM EST
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I don't believe he will get a chance to disappear. He will have to stay in the embassy until there will be a solution negotiated. That means, for a long time.  
by Katrin on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 04:43:51 PM EST
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Could the UK accomplish this by first breaking diplomatic relations with Ecuador?

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 04:26:32 PM EST
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Yes. That would be the only way. They could end diplomatic relations with Ecuador. The diplomats would have a week to leave the countries, and after that week the embassy would lose its status.

But would it be worth it?

by Katrin on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 04:41:45 PM EST
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The article I quoted above states:

The inviolability of diplomatic and consular premises | The Law Gazette

If diplomatic relations are broken and even in the event of armed conflict the receiving state is required by the Vienna Convention to respect and protect the premises

Some more analysis:

Julian Assange: can Ecuador's embassy be stripped of its diplomatic status? | Carl Gardner | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

By law British ministers do have the power to de-recognise Ecuador's embassy, but not without a serious diplomatic fallout

He concludes however:

If I were advising the government, I think I'd say that, if ministers are determined to allow the arrest of Assange, it might be better simply to cut off diplomatic relations with Ecuador, send the ambassador home, close the embassy and arrest Assange after that. Ending diplomatic relations is the major sort of foreign affairs decision I doubt the courts would interfere with. But that'd be a major diplomatic call.


Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 05:04:04 PM EST
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How many East European dissidents found refuge in western embassies during the cold war? Never has one of the eastern countries done what Britain threatens now.
by Katrin on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 09:08:08 AM EST
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Ecuador has granted asylum to Assange.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 08:49:54 AM EST
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BBC News - Julian Assange: Ecuador grants Wikileaks founder asylum

Ecuador has granted asylum to Wikileaks founder Julian Assange two months after he took refuge in its London embassy while fighting extradition from the UK.

It said there were fears Mr Assange's human rights may be violated.

Foreign minister Ricardo Patino accused the UK of making an "open threat" to enter its embassy to arrest Mr Assange.



Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 09:01:40 AM EST
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Julian Assange granted asylum by Ecuador - live coverage | Media | guardian.co.uk
Julian Assange granted asylum by Ecuador - live coverage


Von überall könnte das Volk, Urbrut alles Undemokratischen, Zelle des Terrors, über die gewählten Hüter von Wachstum und Wohlstand® kommen. - flatter
by generic on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 02:02:47 PM EST
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Hungarian Far-Right Leader Discovers His Jewish Roots | World | TIME.com

(BUDAPEST, Hungary) -- As a rising star in Hungary's far-right Jobbik Party, Csanad Szegedi was notorious for his incendiary comments on Jews: He accused them of "buying up" the country, railed about the "Jewishness" of the political elite and claimed Jews were desecrating national symbols.

Then came a revelation that knocked him off his perch as ultra-nationalist standard-bearer: Szegedi himself is a Jew.

You read it here first. Nitpick: Szegedi was more notorious for his anti-Gipsy comments and for entering the European Parliament in paramilitary uniform. While he was undoubtedly an anti-Semite, too, the above attributions seem to be misattributions of stuff done by his comrades.

At the root of the drama is an audio tape of a 2010 meeting between Szegedi and a convicted felon. Szegedi acknowledges that the meeting took place but contends the tape was altered in unspecified ways; Jobbik considers it real.

In the recording, the felon is heard confronting Szegedi with evidence of his Jewish roots. Szegedi sounds surprised, then offers money and favors in exchange for keeping quiet.

This tape, and the offers to the criminal (an arms dealer) to keep shut, are te actual news that brought the "anti-Semite learns he is Jewish" story to the international media's attention. But they are behind the news: Szegedi was now forced to vacate all his posts and rest his party membership.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 04:02:06 AM EST
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Also, a few days after the party position resignations, Szegedi met the chief rabbi, and announced his intention to visit Auschwitz.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 04:46:36 AM EST
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Will he eventually become a West Bank settler?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 01:32:20 PM EST
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Who knows. I was imprecise: the rabbi he visited wasn't the chief rabbi (of the main Jewish organisation in Hungary), but the highest-ranked orthodox rabbi (leading the biggest rival organisation).

Also, in daily Népszabadság>, there was an op-ed from an artist who was a skinhead in the eighties but then got a similar revelation about his ancestors as Szegedi. He tells of his two decades since: reading up on everything Jewish and immersing himself in the religion. (BTW in a sense this guy's case was even more extreme: some time after learning and accepting his Jewish ancestry, he learnt that his family on the non-Jewish side included prominent anti-Semites and Arrowcrossers – all his grandparents had something to hide.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 01:59:17 PM EST
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Eurointelligence Daily Briefing: European banks have non-performing loans of €1.05 trillion
A study by PwC puts the non-performing credits of European banks at €1.05 trillion, nearly double the volume of 2008; volumes increased strongly in Greece, Spain and Italy, but remained unchanged in Germany and the UK; German politicians have been calling for new voting weights in the ECB; the SPD's budget spokesman has put Germany's total exposure to all eurozone crisis policies at around €1 trillion, more than three times the government's official estimate; Borsenzeitung and other German newspapers have reacted with extreme hostility to the Greek proposal to extend the austerity timetable; according to Bloomberg, Spain is about to receive an emergency tranche of its programme, after the ECB imposed restrictions on bank borrowing; Mariano Rajoy announced another policy U-turn, this time on the extension of long-term unemployment benefit; Spanish firefighters are  blaming budget cuts for the inadequate response to the wild fires; Breakingviews says the Spanish request to exempt retail investors from being wiped out might lead to an avalanche of claims by other investors groups in the eurozone; the head of the Dutch Socialists, meanwhile, says the Netherlands should not pursue austerity next year.


If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 11:00:36 AM EST
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German politicians demand new voting weights in the ECB

Handelsblatt has the story this morning that several politicians, from both ends of the political spectrum, are seeking changes at how the ECB is governed, as it takes on the role of fund national governments. The article quotes a CDU parliamentarian as saying that Germany should insist on a veto right on the ECB's governing council, as the ECB is moving away from a primary mandate to secure price stability towards a bad bank. FTD eurosceptic Frank Schaeffler is quoted as saying that it was a scandal that Cyprus and Malta had the same vote as Germany. But also the Social Democrats are expressing concern. The article quotes SPD budget spokesman Carsten Schneider as calling on the ECB to renew its focus on price stability, and to refrain from funding governments. As Frankfurter Allgemeine reports, Mr Schneider also puts Germany's total risk for the eurozone at about €1 trillion, three times more than the figure officially admitted by the government. The gap results mostly from the ECB.

(We think that the ECB's bond purchasing programme is going to be hugely unpopular in Germany. Angela Merkel is content to let the ECB come to the rescue, but only to the extent that this does not cause further political difficulties. This is the reason we believe that the ECB's ultimate programme is likely to end up more modest than some market participants seem to think.)



If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 11:01:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Democracy? Forget it.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 12:45:53 PM EST
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Destroying a debtors ability to pay debt principle and interest does have that result.  

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 12:20:10 PM EST
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I thought the whole point of devastating the periphery was to channel money to German banks - and now you're telling me that their non-performing credits are unchanged?
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 12:42:13 PM EST
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Those are nonperforming loans to the private sector. The whole government debt crisis is the effect on holdings of public sector bonds of governments who are no longer moneterily sovereign trying to backstop the said nonperforming loans to the private sector.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 01:02:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Concerted Action blog: Nicholas Kaldor On The Common Market (16 August 2012)
... Some day the nations of Europe may be ready to merge their national identities and create a new European Union - the United States of Europe. If and when they do, a European Government will take over all the functions which the Federal government now provides in the U.S., or in Canada or Australia. This will involve the creation  of a "full economic and monetary union". But it is a dangerous error to believe that monetary and economic union can precede a political union or that it will act (in the words of the Werner report) "as a leaven for the evolvement of a political union which in the long run it will in any case be unable to do without". For if the creation of a monetary union and Community control over national budgets generates pressures which lead to a breakdown of the whole system it will prevent the development of a political union, not promote it.

[italics in original]

That was written in 1971! ...


If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 11:06:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
 ECONOMY & FINANCE 


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 03:28:18 PM EST
BBC News - Virgin's Branson 'disappointed' over West Coast Mainline

Sir Richard Branson says it is "extremely disappointing" that Virgin Rail has lost the West Coast Mainline franchise to rival FirstGroup.

He suggested FirstGroup, the UK's largest rail operator, had paid too much and said it was unlikely Virgin would bid for other rail franchises.

But ministers said the deal would bring "big improvements" for passengers.

And FirstGroup chief executive Tim O'Toole said it was a good deal for the company and the public.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 03:43:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I have virtually nothing good to say about the Virgin tenure on the West Coast Main Line - and yet, somehow we've come out with an even worse outcome.

FIrstGroup have already shown they are happy to overbid (as is the suspicion here) and then just hand the franchise back after they've mined any money they can out of it... I guess on the bright side, when that happens in a couple of years time it will mean both coastal main lines will be government run...

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 07:10:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Could get interesting. First are promising the moon on a stick, and almost certainly won't deliver.

But if they try to walk out of the contract they risk losing their other franchises.

There may be drama.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 07:12:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]
They walked out of a contract recently and it didn't stop them getting this one...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 07:53:27 AM EST
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Australia court backs new tobacco laws - Business - Al Jazeera English
Australia's highest court has upheld tough new anti-tobacco marketing laws, dismissing a legal challenge from global cigarette companies in a major test case between tobacco giants and anti-smoking campaigners.

Leading global tobacco manufacturers, including British American Tobacco, Britain's Imperial Tobacco, Philip Morris and Japan Tobacco, had challenged the law, claiming the rules were unconstitutional because they effectively extinguished their intellectual property rights.

In a brief statement on Wednesday, the High Court said a majority of its seven judges believed the laws did not breach Australia's constitution. A full judgment will be released later today.


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 04:02:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Foreign holdings of U.S. debt hit record high in June - Xinhua | English.news.cn

Total foreign holdings of U.S. Treasury securities rose to a new high in June, indicating strong international demand for U.S. government debt amid the simmering eurozone debt crisis, the U.S. Treasury Department reported Wednesday.

In June, overall foreign holdings of U.S. Treasury securities reached 5.2923 trillion U.S. dollars, up from the revised 5.2581 trillion dollars in May. It was the sixth consecutive monthly increase.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 04:07:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]
And the only reason that the US is a good investment is the US military.

I have a t-shirt with that on it. And whatever you do, DON'T BLINK!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 08:21:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Nope, for all its many faults, the U.S. of A. has some advantages also.

Lots of unexploited natural resources.
Relatively low population density.
Single language and homogeneous population.
Uniform regulatory environment.
Stable currency.
Pretty good legal system.

Compared to pretty much anywhere else, it's not too bad here. You have to avoid looking behind some of the curtains, but with your capitalist blinders on...

by asdf on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 11:25:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Tanzania confirms reflagging Iran oil tankers - Africa - Al Jazeera English

Tanzania has said a shipping agent based in Dubai had reflagged 36 Iranian oil tankers with the Tanzanian flag without the country's knowledge and approval.

Tanzania said it was now in the process of de-registering the vessels after an investigation into the origin of the ships concluded they were originally from Iran.

Tanzania launched an investigation last month over accusations that it had reflagged oil tankers from Iran and asked the United States and European Union to help it verify the origin of the tankers flying the east African country's flag.

A report with the investigation's findings was discussed in the House of Representatives of Zanzibar, a semi-autonomous part of Tanzania late on Friday, and the minutes of that debate were seen by Reuters late on Saturday.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 04:13:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
New Statesman - Exclusive: Osborne's supporters turn on him

On 14 February 2010, 20 prominent economists wrote to the Sunday Times in support of George Osborne's deficit reduction strategy. They said: "... in order to be credible, the government's goal should be to eliminate the structural current budget deficit over the course of a Parliament, and there is a compelling case, all else equal, for the first measures beginning to take effect in the 2010/11 fiscal year." The Chancellor hailed their letter as a "really significant moment in the economic debate".

Two and a half years later, the UK is mired in a double-dip recession and Osborne is set to borrow £11.8bn more than Labour planned. For this week's issue of the New Statesman (out tomorrow), we asked the 20 whether they regretted signing the letter and what they would do to stimulate growth. Of those who replied, only one, Albert Marcet of Barcelona Graduate School of Economics, was willing to repeat his endorsement of Osborne. Nine urged the Chancellor to abandon his opposition to fiscal stimulus and to promote growth through tax cuts and higher infrastructure spending, while others merely said "no comment" or were "on holiday".



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 08:30:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
On the one hand, I'm glad that these economists are reversing direction.

On the other, they should be tarred and feathered for helping make this crisis even worse than it needed to be...

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 07:11:09 AM EST
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As I said before - neither Osborne nor the Tories care as long as the 0.1% are doing better than they did under Labour.

The rest is PR and noise.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 07:13:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Rothschild Wants Iran's Banks | MTR

Could gaining control of the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran (CBI) be one of the main reasons that Iran is being targeted by Western and Israeli powers? As tensions are building up for an unthinkable war with Iran, it is worth exploring Iran's banking system compared to its U.S., British and Israeli counterparts.

Some researchers are pointing out that Iran is one of only three countries left in the world whose central bank is not under Rothschild control. Before 9-11 there were reportedly seven: Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan, Libya, Cuba, North Korea and Iran. By 2003, however, Afghanistan and Iraq were swallowed up by the Rothschild octopus, and by 2011 Sudan and Libya were also gone. In Libya, a Rothschild bank was established in Benghazi while the country was still at war.

Islam forbids the charging of usury, the practice of charging excessive, unreasonably high, and often illegal interestrates on loans, and that is a major problem for the Rothschild banking system. Until a few hundred years ago usury was also forbidden in the Christian world and was even punishable by death. It was considered exploitation and enslavement.



"It's very hard to see what is kept invisible" Roseanne Barr
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 12:41:30 PM EST
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That was nutty. Sorry, don't know where to begin with that one.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!
by A swedish kind of death on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 02:16:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]
 WORLD 


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 03:28:44 PM EST
BBC News - Israel 'prepared for 30-day war with Iran'

Israel's outgoing home front defence minister says an attack on Iran would likely trigger a month-long conflict that would leave 500 Israelis dead.

Matan Vilnai told the Maariv newspaper that the fighting would be "on several fronts", with hundreds of missiles fired at Israeli towns and cities.

Israel was prepared, he said, though strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities had to be co-ordinated with the US.

Meanwhile, a US blogger has published what he says are Israel's attack plans.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 03:44:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Channeling Saddam "mother of all wars" Hussein.
by asdf on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 05:13:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Was going to say it'll all be over by Christmas

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 05:40:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It's all complete bollocks.

Noise.

There will be no Israeli attack without US say so, and no US say so without Chinese consent.

What I'm hearing is that there will be some top level political changes in Iran shortly definitively neuter the office of President (probably within the week) and that there will subsequently be concessions made, probably in a 5 + 1 meeting in Beijing.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 06:12:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]
... a month-long conflict that would leave 500 Israelis dead.

May I see the math on this one. Seems a bit low.

I have a t-shirt with that on it. And whatever you do, DON'T BLINK!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 08:24:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Syrian warplanes hammer rebel border town - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

Syrian fighter jets have conducted two devastating bombing runs on the rebel-held town of Azaz, flattening a string of houses and killing at least 20 people including children, activists said.

Hundreds of other residents fled across the border to Turkey after the attack on Wednesday, news agencies and witnesses said. 

"Bashar did this. God help us, these animals will kill us all," said one man, hoisting a bloodied arm that had been piled up on the pavement outside the hospital in Azaz after the bombardment.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 04:02:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Syria is Assy's property and the Syrians are neighborhood kids who have been allowed to play on his front lawn and now think they own the place. Well guees what? Assy's dad gave him Syria and if he can't have the place, no one can.

I have a t-shirt with that on it. And whatever you do, DON'T BLINK!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 08:27:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
UN report slams Assad forces for war crimes - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

A report issued by a team of United Nations human rights investigators said that Syrian government forces and allied militias have committed war crimes, including murder and torture, in what they say appears to be state-directed policy.

The investigators said in a report released on Wednesday that they had received "consistent evidence that mid- and high-ranking members of government forces were directly involved in illegal acts".

"Defectors stated that commanders ordered their subordinates to shoot civilians and 'hors de combat' fighters, and to torture and mistreat detainees. Orders were often enforced at gunpoint and anyone hesitating to comply risked arrest or summary execution," the report sai



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 04:02:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]
China demands Japan release island activists - Central & South Asia - Al Jazeera English

China has demanded that Japan free 14 Chinese activists held after their protest landing on an island claimed by Tokyo.

Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Fu Ying "demanded that Japan ensure the safety of 14 Chinese nationals and immediately and unconditionally release them", the Chinese Foreign Ministry said on its website on Wednesday.

Japan, earlier on Wednesday, arrested the activists from the "Action Committee for Defending the Diaoyu Islands" group that sailed from Hong Kong, saying that they intented to plant a Chinese flag on an archipelago they know as Diaoyu, but which Japan calls Senkaku.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 04:03:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Tenth body found amid S Africa mine protests - Africa - Al Jazeera English

Thousands of miners in South Africa, under the watchful eye of a scores of police units, have protested over poor work conditions and wages in the latest in a series of strikes to hit the mining industry.

Protests continued on Tuesday at the Lonmin platinum mine near Marikana, a town about 70km northwest of Johannesburg, with at least 10 people having been killed since demonstrations began on Friday.

Seven workers and two police officers were killed in the ensuing violence. Another body was discovered on Tuesday,

The unrest began last week when about 3,000 workers launched what managers called an illegal strike that became entangled with a feud between rival unions.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 04:13:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
 LIVING OFF THE PLANET 
 Environment, Energy, Agriculture, Food 


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 03:29:07 PM EST
Green energy to power third of Welsh homes - Home News - UK - The Independent

Almost a third of the homes in Wales will be powered by green energy, a company behind a major new wind farm project pledged yesterday.

The Siemens offshore substation, which is the latest milestone for the Welsh offshore wind farm, Gwynt y Mor, arrived by sea from Belfast.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 04:09:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
China's coal expansion may spark water crisis, warns Greenpeace | Environment | guardian.co.uk

China's plan to rapidly expand large coal mines and power plants in its arid northern and western provinces threatens to drain precious water supply and could trigger a severe water crisis, a report by environmental activists Greenpeace said on Tuesday.

China intends to boost coal production in provinces including Inner Mongolia, Shanxi, Shaanxi and Ningxia, with output in those areas expected to reach 2.2bn tonnes, or 56% of the country's forecast production of 3.9bn tonnes, by 2015.

As part of the country's major overhaul of its power generation strategy, Beijing also plans to build 16 large coal-fired power stations in those provinces by 2015. Total installed capacity for the plants is expected to exceed 600GW.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 04:11:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]
china already has a water crisis, this will simply make it worse

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 10:05:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]
 LIVING ON THE PLANET 
 Society, Culture, History, Information 


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 03:29:39 PM EST
BBC News - Hypersonic jet Waverider fails Mach 6 test

The US Air Force has said an attempt to fly its hypersonic jet Waverider at Mach 6 (3,600mph; 5795km/h) failed.

The unmanned aircraft had been designed to fly at six times the speed of sound after being dropped from a B-52 bomber.

But officials said that a faulty control fin prevented it from starting its supersonic-combustion ramjet engine, and the craft was lost.

It marks the second time in a row that the Air Force has been unable to test the technology as planned



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 03:44:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
O'Brien 'not fit to control INM' - Irish Times columnist | Media | guardian.co.uk

One of Ireland's most influential journalists, Vincent Browne, argues that Denis O'Brien is not a fit person to control Independent News & Media (INM).

In an Irish Times article today, he accuses O'Brien - the largest shareholder in INM - of interfering in editorial affairs.

He also cites the findings of the Moriarty tribunal, which concluded that a consortium formed by O'Brien to secure a mobile phone licence in the 1990s had succeeded because of payments made by O'Brien to the then communications minister in "clandestine circumstances." O'Brien has strenuously denied this finding.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 04:04:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Rupert Murdoch's News Corp launches anti-corruption review | Media | guardian.co.uk

Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation has launched a review of anti-corruption controls in several of its publishing arms, including News International in London.

Murdoch told News Corp staff in a memo on Wednesday that the company recently launched the probe as a "forward-looking review" to improve compliance with bribery laws.

The media tycoon told staff that the anti-corruption review was "not based on any suspicion of wrongdoing by any particular business unit or its personnel".



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 04:05:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
BBC's Mark Thompson named new CEO of the New York Times | Media | guardian.co.uk

Mark Thompson, outgoing director general of the BBC, has been named the new president and chief executive of the New York Times.

The 55-year-old replaces Janet Robinson, 62, who unexpectedly announced her retirement last December.

In a statement Arthur Sulzberger Jr, chairman of the Times Company and the newspaper's publisher, called Thompson as "a gifted and experienced executive with strong credentials whose leadership at the BBC helped it to extend its trusted brand identity into new digital products and services."

Thompson, who has been director general of the BBC since 2004 said in March that he intended to depart the public broadcaster after the London Olympics. The Guardian revealed in June that he was in talks to join the New York Times.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 04:06:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Germany: Facebook must destroy facial recognition database | Ars Technica

German data protection officials today accused Facebook of "illegally compiling a vast photo database of users without their consent" and demanded that the social network destroy its archive of files based on facial recognition technology, the New York Times reported.

Facebook says that it uses face recognition software to match users' photos to others and suggest friends to tag in those photos. A user can prevent friends from seeing tag suggestions when they upload photos that look like that user. But this requires opting out through Facebook privacy settings, which Germany notes is a violation of European law.

"The social networking company's decision to use analytic software to compile photographic archives of human faces, based on photos uploaded by Facebook's users, has been controversial in Europe, where data protection laws require users to give their explicit consent to the practice," the Times wrote. "Instead of using such an opt-in system, Facebook assumes users will want to use facial recognition and requires them to opt out instead."



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 05:04:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]
EA, guns, and the dangers of brand identity - GameSpot.com

What kind of message is a video game publisher like EA sending when it encourages its players to buy weapons?

The race to create a perfect, all-encompassing brand identity that infiltrates every aspect of gamers' lives has become of increasing importance to game publishers. It has also thrown some of the gaming industry's ethical boundaries into question.

In a bid to extend the reach of its Medal of Honor: Warfighter brand, EA chose to test these boundaries by updating the official Warfighter site to include links to the sites of the real-world weapons and weapon accessories manufacturers that are helping turn the game into the "most authentic shooter" yet.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 08:32:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Spiegel: One Mayor's Hunger Strike against Austerity Desperation in Spain (08/16/2012)
It's been over four months since Angel Vadillo began camping out in an old van in front of Spain's Ministry Industry on April 10. For the last two of those months, he hasn't eaten. His van is spare, decorated only with a picture of his one-and-a-half-year-old granddaughter. Aside from that, he only has a thin mattress, a full book shelf, a laptop and a mobile phone, both of which he charges with solar power.

Indeed, it is solar power that kicked off Vadillo's unusual protest in the first place. In January, Spanish Industry Minister José Manuel Soria cut all subsidies for new projects relating to renewable energies.

Vadillo is the mayor of Alburquerque, a municipality with a population of 5,500 in Extremadura in the west of Spain. For the last two decades, Alburquerque has staked its future on solar energy, and five new facilities with a capacity of 250 megawatts had been planned prior to the subsidy cuts. Now, those plans have been shelved: "That means that we will lose some 850 jobs," says Vadillo. It is estimated that the measure will cost a total of 10,000 jobs across the country.



If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 17th, 2012 at 11:41:47 AM EST
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 PEOPLE AND KLATSCH 


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 03:30:06 PM EST
BBC News - Sci-fi author Harry Harrison dies

American science fiction author Harry Harrison, who also created the Stainless Steel Rat comic space opera series, has died aged 87.

His 1966 dystopian novel Make Room! Make Room! also inspired 1973 film Soylent Green starring Charlton Heston.

Harrison died in the early hours of Wednesday, 15 August.

"His passing leaves a huge gap in the universe, but thankfully he didn't leave us empty-handed," said friend and fellow author Michael Carroll.

"Dozens of novels and over a hundred short stories are as fine a legacy as we could hope for," continued Caroll, who also runs Harrison's website.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 03:42:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Harry Harrison obituary | Books | The Guardian
Harry Harrison, who has died aged 87, was a writer from the world of American comics and science-fiction magazines of the 1950s. An amazingly prolific author, who gradually took on more serious themes as he matured, Harrison is probably best known for the book that inspired the Hollywood film Soylent Green (1973). Directed by Richard Fleischer and starring Charlton Heston and Edward G Robinson, Soylent Green was an uncompromising view of a world a quarter of a century into the future, in which massive overpopulation has created a critical food shortage. The solution is an alleged soya/lentil substitute - the plot concerns the discovery of the true nature of the stuff.


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 08:03:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Really liked Bill, the Galactic Hero.

Checking wikipedia, he was really productive. It's hard to find a year when not at least one of his books was released.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 12:27:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Top six cycling team jerseys NOT to wear | Matt Seaton | Environment | guardian.co.uk

I was out early riding around the park this morning, and of course, it's summer still, so you see other cyclists training. Most are wearing either their own cycling or triathlon club jerseys, or plain, no-name "unattached" jerseys. But you'll always see some folk in team replica kit. Usually, they'll be this year's or last year's pro team designs; though occasionally, you'll see a real throwback, with faded colours, to the 1990s or early 2000s. And then, these days, you'll probably see some hipster in a retro woolen jersey.

But the guy who caught my eye today and got me thinking was wearing a relatively obscure team replica jersey - the bright yellow of an early iteration of Tinkoff Credit Systems.

Now, Tinkoff doesn't, for me, have great associations (see below). So, given the connotations, who would voluntarily wear a replica jersey of that team, I wondered.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 04:12:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Sid Waddell, 1941-2012 - Spectator Blogs

Reader TT asks a good question: given your (self-appointed) role as the Spectator's unofficial darts correspondent, why haven't you written anything on the death of Sid Waddell? What can I say? Grief moves one in mysterious ways.

Few people can claim to have created a sport, yet that was Waddell's achievement and only nit-pickers and other churls would mock the fact that the sport Waddell created was darts. Before Sid there was nothing and the darts universe is his creation. As he might almost have put it, "God took six days to create his world, Phil Taylor needed just three hours to build his. And Taylor never rests on the Sabbath."



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 15th, 2012 at 08:11:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Netflix will be starting service in some Nordic countries and apparently is already in Great Britain. Can anyone tell me of any kind of fix-around that would allow me to get it in Germany?

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Thu Aug 16th, 2012 at 12:13:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
None, I'm afraid: I'm not familiar with Netflix technical operations, but I would suspect two things:

  • Your address (and payment) must be from a country they serve.

  • Your IP address also must be from a country they serve.

Neither are impossible to get around, but the logistics would be heavy. I guess that leaves the DVD rental shop next door...

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Fri Aug 17th, 2012 at 12:12:09 PM EST
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