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by ceebs Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 11:02:43 AM EST

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Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 11:04:57 AM EST
Carly Geehr - Quora
Olympic Games: Do Olympic or competitive swimmers ever pee in the pool?Disclaimer: This is about to get into TMI territory, but hey, I'm just answering the question...

Nearly 100% of elite competitive swimmers pee in the pool. Regularly. Some deny it, some proudly embrace it, but everyone does.

The more interesting question is when does said peeing happen?
  • Just about the only time you can get away with peeing during a race is during a breaststroke pullout. You spend enough time gliding that if you really gotta go, you probably could. Otherwise, you're too tense and too, well, busy to even think about peeing.
  • Before a race is an interesting time. It depends on the meet and to some extent the color of the pool deck. I kid you not. You always try to pee before you swim, but sometimes your body defies logic and finds a way to refill your bladder just to spite you. Adrenaline and nerves wreak havoc on your system, and I knew tons of other swimmers that always, regardless of prior planning, had to pee right before a race. What to do if you're desperate? Well, it's not uncommon to splash yourself before you climb up on the blocks, so that extra liquid on yourself and the pool deck affords you an interesting opportunity. (I'll let you finish the rest of that thought.)
  • Warmup/practice - totally free reign. As a swimmer, you just have to accept that you're swimming in pee. I had a teammate that would sit on the wall and announce "I'm peeing!" which was... disgusting... but at least she warned us.

Disclaimer : I have never had a pee during a breaststroke pullout.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 12:03:55 PM EST
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I have never had a pee during any kind of pullout.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 12:15:07 PM EST
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IIRC, the recommended method for marathon runners is to pick up an extra cup of water, splash it on you and add your own.

Well, at least no one else have to swim in it.

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 12:36:37 PM EST
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The Olympic trampoline champion (what, you didn't know there was one?) is called Dong Dong.

One wonders if that's Chinese for Boing Boing.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Fri Aug 3rd, 2012 at 11:05:54 AM EST
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I saw Dong Dong going Bonk Bonk. Well, Boing Boing.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Aug 3rd, 2012 at 12:01:25 PM EST
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Well-known judoka Vladimir Putin has been hanging around the Olympic dojo, having a more positive effect than Dave of Doom (Putin's candidate won the under 100kg category). I wonder if he'll be back this afternoon for the over 100kg category, where his lad looks like having little chance against the phenomenal Teddy Riner, the Guadaloupean (and thereby, arguably, French) competitor.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Fri Aug 3rd, 2012 at 10:17:31 AM EST
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Putin's candidate, however, lost the over 100kg category. Outright.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Aug 3rd, 2012 at 12:02:24 PM EST
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Apparently a genuine hate match. Riner no longer travels to Russia for matches. It wouldn't be prudent, it seems.

Now, I suppose, ambassadors will be expelled, etc.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Fri Aug 3rd, 2012 at 12:05:26 PM EST
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New Zealand vs USA, now playing.

Women's ummm soccer. (that's foopball to you yurrupeans).

USA up 1-0 but it's hard fought.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Fri Aug 3rd, 2012 at 11:03:48 AM EST
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Twitter / MichaelLCrick: Liberal Democrat accounts show ...
Liberal Democrat accounts show 25% drop in party membership in one year: 48,934 members at end of 2011, compared with 65,038 a year before


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 11:05:04 AM EST


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 11:40:57 AM EST
Twitter / Mr_Ogrizovic: I do not like "Curse of Cameron". ...
I do not like "Curse of Cameron". It's not snappy enough. We need a shorter label for this phenomenon and I propose Dave of Doom #daveofdoom


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 12:41:38 PM EST
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And now Dave turns up at the Velodrome and the British competitors get disqualified. He's not having a good games :D

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 01:41:41 PM EST
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The Wall Street Journal: Dismissing Environmental Threats Since 1976

To forestall policy on climate change, the Wall Street Journal editorial board routinely downplays scientific consensus, overstates the cost of taking action, and claims that politics, not science, motivate those concerned about the climate. But an analysis of more than 100 editorials from 1976 to present shows that the Wall Street Journal used these same rhetorical tactics in previous decades on acid rain and ozone depletion and they did not stand the test of time.

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For decades the conservative Wall Street Journal editorial board has campaigned with industry against government action to address major environmental threats. Regardless of the specific issue, the editorials offer this familiar refrain:

'We Don't Know Enough': The Journal makes claims that are out of step with the weight of scientific evidence, seizes on uncertainties, and argues for further study before any action is taken to mitigate the risk.

'It Will Cost Too Much': The Journal claims regulations would have enormous economic costs, often citing unreliable industry-backed studies.

'It's All Politics': To sidestep the science showing a clear threat, the Journal claims that those who want to address the problem are motivated by politics, not science.



Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 11:50:46 AM EST
Yet another prestigious publication that's aligned with vested interests! ;)

Is it worth noting that, over the same decades and somewhat before, the same editorial board has consistently hyped anti-government supply-side propaganda?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 12:25:36 PM EST
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night Capital Says Trading Glitch Cost It $440 Million:

$10 million a minute.

That's about how much the trading problem that set off turmoil on the stock market on Wednesday morning is already costing the trading firm.

The Knight Capital Group announced on Thursday that it lost $440 million when it sold all the stocks it accidentally bought Wednesday morning because a computer glitch.

After all the previous foul-ups, the Finance Sector still doesn't know how to program Real Time Control Systems.


Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 01:46:19 PM EST
Is perhaps their Real Time Control System incompatible with High Frequency Trading?

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 05:09:55 PM EST
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Have to look at the design to be sure but in my experience Real Time Control Systems in amorphous, ambiguous, data and information environments are not thought through very well.

Mostly because the people who design and write the things get to Boolean Logic and stop.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 07:50:00 PM EST
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Want to tickle your tongue in a new way - this may be it:

Soy sauce ice cream invented in Japan - Telegraph

A Japanese confectionary company has invented a cream puff stuffed with soy sauce flavoured ice cream - for a distinctly unique taste.

Fund raised from sales of the new ice cream will go towards helping to revitalise a city in northeastern Japan that was virtually wiped out by the March 11, 2011 tsunami.

"It's a mixture of soy sauce and ice cream, producing a well-balanced salty, yet sweet, ice cream which is perfect for the summer," said Kunihiko Shirokawa at Tokyo-based confectioner Hirota, one of the developers.

"We are planning another product for the autumn."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 02:24:23 PM EST
Kinda like marmite flavoured crisps. Just cos you can doesn't mean you should

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 02:36:23 PM EST
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I expected it had surely been done, and:

Marmite: It's spreading all over - Features - Food & Drink - The Independent

The Bumper Book also divulges details of Gary Rhodes' Marmite ice cream flavours
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 04:04:12 PM EST
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yuck²


Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 04:13:14 PM EST
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yuck

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 04:12:48 PM EST
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Fran:
"We are planning another product for the autumn."

miso-flavoured tiramisu!

japanese do love their salt and sweet deeply embedded together.

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 07:45:31 PM EST
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Tom the Dancing Bug explains austerity

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 02:24:34 PM EST
Child Psychologist Jerome Kagan on Overprescibing Drugs to Children - SPIEGEL ONLINE
Harvard psychologist Jerome Kagan is one of the world's leading experts in child development. In a SPIEGEL interview, he offers a scathing critique of the mental-health establishment and pharmaceutical companies, accusing them of incorrectly classifying millions as mentally ill out of self-interest and greed.

Jerome Kagan can look back on a brilliant career as a researcher in psychology. Still, when he contemplates his field today, he is overcome with melancholy and unease. He compares it with a wonderful antique wooden chest: Once, as a student, he had taken it upon himself to restore the chest with his colleagues.

OAS_RICH('Middle2'); He took one of its drawers home himself and spent his entire professional life whittling, shaping and sanding it. Finally, he wanted to return the drawer to the chest, only to realize that the piece of furniture had rotted in the meantime.

If anyone has the professional expertise and moral authority to compare psychology to a rotten piece of furniture, it is Kagan. A ranking of the 100 most eminent psychologists of the 20th century published by a group of US academics in 2002 put Kagan in 22nd place, even above Carl Jung (23rd), the founder of analytical psychology, and Ivan Pavlov (24th), who discovered the reflex bearing his name.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 02:26:21 PM EST
Assholes over-prescribe psycho-pharmaceuticals to "control" (read: drug-into-submission) "hyperactive" (read: annoying) children. Dimwits find out about it, jump to the wrong conclusion, and don't get their rugrats inoculated from highly contagious diseases like whooping cough.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 04:19:40 PM EST
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Recent Swedish study found the risk of ADHD increasing over the year so that kids born late December was much more common to have ADHD diagnosis then kids born early January. Also known as being one year younger but in the same class.

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 04:42:56 PM EST
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I was a late December baby. :-) Fortunately, I was bookish.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 05:14:41 PM EST
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You got screwed then on the birthday presents gig.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 07:55:46 PM EST
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Yeah, my birthday is just before Christmas, so I got to open a present of my choice early. But I never felt deprived.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 11:17:08 PM EST
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huh

That sounds .... odd.  Off the top o' me head if the studies aren't flawed - always possible - I'd take a hard look at pre-natal factors and the overall 'Nurture' environment.  


Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 07:54:59 PM EST
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I would look at the rate at which kids in the relevant age group move off the spectrum, and test whether the risk factor for being born late in the year is significantly different.

I have a bottle of beer that says it won't be.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 11:30:13 PM EST
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Boys lag behind girls in social development generally, so to be, on average, six months younger doesn't help. I could have been held back, but the school system saw the baby boom coming and encouraged my parents to enroll me the first year I was eligible. And there were family circumstances.

My maternal grandmother lived with us and had suffered second and third degree burns the previous year when the rear of her nightgown drifted into the gas area stove, which were usually inadequately screened back in the late 40s. She had been widowed in the late '30s, had never worked and had been used to a coal stove before she sold the family home after WWII. She survived for several years but was always an invalid after that and her mind wasn't quite right. We had been close and my parents probably thought is best for me to have something to do during the day. But the first two years of school were pretty much a mystery to me. The first grade teacher was impressed with my vocabulary and diction, but I was a poor student. (My father told my mother to tell her that 'We didn't raise no dumb kids!' and they both laughed.

Second grade was a nightmare. I was out sick with tonsilitis and came back when they were on phonics. All I could tell was that I was supposed to pound my elbows on the table at the right time, so I watched the other students. I later figured out that they were sounding out the accent in the words. Worse, I was ambidextrious but settled on my left hand by the end of second grade. The only way I could tell my left from my right was that I knew I had a scar on my left wrist.

Between second and third grades I taught myself to read at one of the town drug store comic racks. My parents were then pleased to let me buy comic books. In the 3rd grade I read everything in the teacher's library and was off. I now put it down to my not really having been ready for school, having poor instruction in the second grade, and my parents being stressed with caring for my grandmother at the same time my newly arrived brother developed severe allergies due to Rh mismatch. There is no guarantee of an easy childhood.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 11:36:41 PM EST
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Found a newspaper article:

Adhd kan vara omognad hos många pojkar - DN.SE ADHD may be immaturity in many boys - DN.SE
De nya siffrorna visar enligt Björn Kadesjö att det kan finnas barn som missförstås ha adhd.The new figures show, according to Björn Kadesjö that there may be children who are mistaken for ADHD.
- Det kan handla om omognad. De sent födda pojkarna klarar inte av att möta skolans krav. De hade kanske inte behövt få stora problem om omgivningen lyckats möta barnen utifrån deras egna förutsättningar, säger han.- It can be about immaturity. The late-born boys are unable to meet the schools requirements. Perhaps they had not had to have major problems if the environment was managed to meet the children on their own terms, he says.

With graphics:

To the left is number of persons/1000 that has collected medicine for ADHD, black women, red men (so 3.1% of men born in january and 4.2% of men born in december). To the right is number of medicated in total per year, again men in red women in black.

I assume that the base line in the left is kids in the same ages, because otherwise the right graphics does not make sense.

This was apparently prompted by similar studies in Canada and the US. Richard Morrow at University of British Columbia is quoted if anyone wants to find material in english.

For me this study rang true (also known as triggered the confirmation bias) as the diagnosis of ADHD and the inability to sit still and listen in a classroom has to say the least a fuzzy border. When I went to grade school (before the 90ies crisis) kids that did not keep up often got special coaching in subjects they had a hard time with, and - lo and behold - with one teacher and three or four kids the problems of sitting down and working went away. I know because I managed to get into one of those groups for a while until they figured out I did not need any help, I was just trying to get away from the classroom so that I could work on my own without the distractions. Anyway the rowdiesst boys in the class were calm and could work when they were seen and got the help they needed. They were even pleasant to be around - until we returned to the classroom that is.

This is not to say that there are not genuine cases were the problems are not only manifest in school but also outside and the kid - or for that matter the adult - suffer from being to hyper, to intensive. But I think there is a clear case that today pills are used when teachers are needed. Pills being cheaper and giving private profits and all.

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by A swedish kind of death on Fri Aug 3rd, 2012 at 04:44:25 AM EST
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Well. I started school when I turned five. In September, two thirds of the way through the school year. That was the system in NZ. Seemed to work well.

So what we have is a foolish administrative constraint (children start school at the beginning of the school year) which needs to be changed. Children arriving one by one during the year will, of necessity, get individual attention and have their needs assessed by the teacher. Those who might have difficulty will have some chance of getting the attention they need, rather than being drowned in a mass start.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Fri Aug 3rd, 2012 at 05:25:14 AM EST
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I recall observations that a child brought to school at eight years of age quickly learns all that had occupied the 'attention' of those who started at six. The conclusion drawn was that sending children to school at six, (or, as now, kindergarten at five and pre-kindergarten/Montessori at four or sooner is a response to the societal decision to get the children out of the home early so the mother can go to work or so the child is not as dependent on just its mother's parenting skills). This is but a crude summary of a highly complex problem.

My own view is that the one real justification for sending children under eight years of age to school would be second language acquisition, which is very natural at that age and very rare in public schools. I do not know what formal studies there are of the process, if any, by which such decisions as the starting age for schoolchildren is made and suspect that, like Topsey, it just grew there.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Aug 3rd, 2012 at 05:52:15 AM EST
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Those studies typically do not perform the obvious control: How much would 6-yr-olds learn if you pushed them as hard as those studies push the 8-yr-olds?

Lack of placebo arm is a general problem with educational science studies, a problem which renders most of them pretty worthless.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Aug 3rd, 2012 at 06:01:17 AM EST
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Of course it has also to be demonstrated that the eight year olds were 'pushed' any harder than unprepared six year olds. Perhaps they just responded differently.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Aug 3rd, 2012 at 07:18:47 AM EST
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Worse, I suspect that the effects of ill defined 'pressure' may be worse the earlier it occurs, and even the concept is in need of definition and clarification.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Aug 3rd, 2012 at 07:38:01 AM EST
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Maybe.

But you have selection bias, both in the students and in the teachers, and you have a compliance effect of being in a trial.

To name just the most obvious statistical artifacts and experimental biases that would tend to give you a placebo response.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Aug 3rd, 2012 at 07:50:05 AM EST
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Children arriving one by one during the year will, of necessity, get individual attention and have their needs assessed by the teacher.

That places greater responsibility on the teacher and goes against school system organizational instincts, IMO. When I argued for placing greater emphasis on the quality of the teacher in the Los Angeles Unified School District I was quoted chapter and verse of the UC Berkley educated board member's dictum: "If you rely on the ability of a particular teacher and then lose that teacher you have lost everything." Today my response would be: "That is always the case and is why recruitment and retention of quality teacher should be the top priority!"

The other school board mantra was: "Put the needs of the children first!" My observation is that the institutional needs of the school system, the administrator's union and the teachers union ensure that the actual needs of the children are a distant fourth. Anyone who has actually seen problems between an arguably 'burnt out' teacher and a child who is frustrated by the classroom situation likely has some sense of this. I am a supporter of teacher unions, but there are serious problems and denying them does not eliminate or reduce their severity.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Aug 3rd, 2012 at 06:06:51 AM EST
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German Government Official Criticizes Yahoo Exec for Short Maternity Leave - SPIEGEL ONLINE
Kristina Schröder, Germany's Federal Minister of Family Affairs, is making waves with her controversial stance on mothers in the workforce. In a SPIEGEL ONLINE interview, Schröder has criticized new Yahoo! CEO Marissa Mayer, arguing she should take a longer maternity leave when she gives birth later this year.

Both are high-profile women in their mid-30s for whom childbirth has come as their careers soar to new heights. But with those pregnancies comes the perpetual debate over how much maternity leave is appropriate for women in leadership positions.

OAS_RICH('Middle2'); One, German Family Minister Kristina Schröder, who turns 35 this week, is criticizing the other -- new Yahoo! CEO Marissa Mayer, 37 -- for saying that she plans to take only a few weeks of maternity leave and continue to carry out her work even while she is out of the office.

"I respect this personal step being taken by Ms. Mayer," Schröder told SPIEGEL ONLINE in an interview. "But I regard it with major concern when prominent women give the public impression that maternity leave is something that is not important. Maternity leave is absolutely important and not just from a medical point of view."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 02:28:14 PM EST
The way we "do" mom, kids, and the workplace is fundamentally broken.  

Darned if I have an answer.  Much less The Answer(s)

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 04:22:46 PM EST
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In Sweden there has been similar cases but in general the critic stops once the father goes out and says stuff like "Stop questioning my ability. So what I can't breastfeed, ever heard of a pump?"

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 04:47:15 PM EST
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yup
ATinNM:
The way we "do" mom, kids, and the workplace is fundamentally broken.  

to a similar degree as the FIRE sector...


It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 07:52:30 PM EST
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Serious games teach students serious business | Sci-Tech | DW.DE | 02.08.2012

Utrecht University students are learning to become sustainable entrepreneurs with a serious game called Solar Tycoon. But serious games a substitute for real experience?

It all started when Geoscience professors at the University of Utrecht in The Netherlands discovered that their students were missing a link. They were having trouble connecting theory about innovation and sustainable technologies with real life situations on the market. They lacked the practical experience.

This, in part, had to do with the limited number of work experience placements available to students.

So - almost paradoxically - the faculty decided to develop a virtual marketplace to teach students about the realities of selling green technology. Together with a design firm called Digital Dreams, they developed the serious game, Solar Tycoon.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 02:32:18 PM EST
Primates have been using games to learn adult behavior since, like, forever.

So: Yes, serious games are a substitute for real experience.

(And what does "real" mean in that context.  Anyway?)

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 04:25:48 PM EST
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Is the game for sale?

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 05:16:56 PM EST
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No Sport Please, We're Italian - Corriere della Sera
[Esplora il significato del termine: One in two Italians takes too little exercise. Maltese, British and Japanese even less active. Expert says: "We need to start motivating young people at school to take exercise"] One in two Italians takes too little exercise. Maltese, British and Japanese even less active. Expert says: "We need to start motivating young people at school to take exercise"

Italians are champions, but in the laziness stakes. The claim is made by a group of researchers, led by Pedro C. Hallal from the University of Pelotas in Brazil, in a study published in The Lancet, the bible of medical journals. Professor Hallal and his team compared data for physical activity levels in adults aged 15 and over in 122 countries, representing 89% of the world's population, to produce an inactivity index. The results show that Malta tops the laziness league while Italy is tucked comfortably into the top twenty in 17th place with an index of 54.7%, against a world average of 31.1%. Italy's dominance is even clearer within the EU. In a lazy Europe, couch potato Italy is outclassed only by world wooden spoon-holder Malta, Cyprus, Serbia and the UK. Italian women are less active than men (59.8% vs 49.6%). The national average falls far short of Greece's 15.6% but is not so distant from the USA's 40.5% or Japan's 60%.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 02:34:04 PM EST
(Since we're doing "Old ET Week" ...)

One in two Italians takes too little exercise

But that is nothing compared to what goes on in Malta ...

Malta tops the laziness league


Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 04:29:05 PM EST
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this rings untrue, sniff test wise.

obesity rates low, ubiquitous passion for the beautiful game from an early age, near-obligatory summer sessions al mare, longevity rates high, gyms thriving, roads cluttered with neon clad cyclists, festas with ball room dancing every day of the week in summer, skiers, dolomite hikers, equestrianism...

there are pear shaped italians for sure, but outright waddlers are still rare, and besides there is a caffeinated bustle, a finger-tapping, gaze-darting animatedness hard wired into italians.

the other side is with the heat there is a southern languour underlying much of the frenzy, or alternating with it.

cellulite is rarer here too, than in may other western countries.

anecdata...

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Aug 2nd, 2012 at 07:39:21 PM EST
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It depends on how the questions are asked too.

Remember seeing a documentary on the dominance of Kenyan runners - most apparently from a limited area around Eldoret. Anyway, the journalists asked some average people if they exercised much and one example stuck in my mind. It was a waiter who said he did not exercise at all. After talking a bit it turned out that he ran about an hour to work, ran home to eat, returned to work and then ran home in the evening. But he did not exercise, his four hours of daily run was transportation.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Fri Aug 3rd, 2012 at 04:08:37 AM EST
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Israel Hayom
The Chief Judge of the Jerusalem Rabbinical Court, Rabbi Eliyahu Abergel, has ruled that in cases where a man has not fathered any children, and his wife cannot or does not want to bear children, the man may take a concubine.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Fri Aug 3rd, 2012 at 06:51:33 AM EST
Forward into the 5th Century!  (BCE)

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Fri Aug 3rd, 2012 at 07:02:53 AM EST
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