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by DoDo Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 05:23:11 PM EST

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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:03:35 PM EST
Coalition smolders over euro crisis remarks | Germany | DW.DE | 28.08.2012
"Parochial whining" - that's how a leading party colleague dismissed the controversial remarks by Christian Social Union General Secretary Alexander Dobrindt about Greece and the euro crisis. Dobrindt had told the Sunday edition of Germany's Bild newspaper that there was no way around Greece's exit from the eurozone.

...Asked about Dobrindt's remarks during a television interview broadcast on Sunday night, Merkel said that this was a decisive phase of saving the euro. "Therefore I think we should all weigh our words," she said.

Other Christian Democrats were even clearer. On Monday (27.08.2012), Merkel's deputy in the CDU, Hesse state premier Volker Bouffier said, "The business is difficult enough, it will not get any easier if every day someone drops another clanger."

Bundestag President Norbert Lammert (CDU) said in a similar vein: "The situation is too serious to be dealt with by rhetorical one-upmanship." The CDU European Commissioner Günther Oettinger said, "The style is not appropriate, nor is the content, and the calculation behind it certainly isn't."

The "calculation" that Oettinger referred to is what he considers the CSU's attempts to position itself better ahead of the upcoming Bavarian state election with tougher rhetoric against crisis-stricken eurozone countries. But many party colleagues believe Dobrindt is going too far. CSU Bundestag chairwoman Gerda Hasselfeldt warned, "Whether Greece stays in the eurozone or not, is not a question that can be decided at this time or by a gut feeling." Hasselfeldt's deputy Max Straubinger was clearer still. The phrase "parochial whining" comes from him, accompanied with the words, "It's absurd to think Greece will get to its feet faster with the drachma."

Too little too late...

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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:03:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Fake 'missing' posters to combat radicalization | Germany | DW.DE | 28.08.2012
German Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich wants to use fake missing person notices to campaign against the radicalization of young immigrants. Turkish community organizations have criticized the posters.

When will he issue similar posters about Neo-Nazis?...

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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:04:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Romanian president cleared to return to office | EurActiv
Romania's parliament ended a dramatic session yesterday (27 August) by accepting a Constitutional Court ruling to return the country's embattled president to office. With the publication of the decision in the country's official journal, Traian Bãsescu can now return to office after a 52-day suspension.


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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:04:16 PM EST
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France steps up Roma evictions despite criticism - FRANCE - FRANCE 24
France ignored criticism from human rights groups on Tuesday as authorities continued their forced dismantling of Roma camps across the country.

A day after police forced 70 Roma (also known as gypsies) including 19 children out of a camp in the Paris suburb of Evry, officers targeted the biggest makeshift encampment in the Lyon area.

Authorities said 121 Roma, 47 of them children, were forced off land that belonged to a property developer and just as in Monday's evicton, no alternative accomodation has been found for the evicted families.

Martine David, the local mayor, admitted the expelled Roma were likely to set up a new camp in the area. "We are going round in circles," she told AFP news agency. "We can't offer them a permanent housing solution and I know there's a risk they will just set up another camp."



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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:04:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]
no alternative accomodation has been found for the evicted families.

Hah...and Belgrade Mayor at least offered them new hygienic cabins with all infrastructure...and you were very loud about Roma's rights then. Let's hear you now. I know, I know what you think but I hate when you are silent when ever it is about EU states.
Of course they are going to "build" another camp next day...

by vbo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 09:37:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
What!? How am I silent when it is about EU states? Drop those nationalist glasses.

*Lunatic*, n.
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by DoDo on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 01:29:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Well I know that you are against it but I do not remember you/or others commenting on these things as you are always ready to comment passionately when something like this comes from for example Serbia.Other readers may not know what you think...
by vbo on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 09:07:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]
DoDo has repeatedly written on the Hungarian extreme right and its hatred and violence focussed on Roma. You missed those diaries and comments?

Apart from that, there have been reports here, either media items or diaries, about anti-Roma racism across Europe: France, Italy, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Estonia, Greece. Here are some links (among others) you could check out: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

As I said in that last comment thread, anti-Roma racism is Europe's most shared racism. That hasn't been kept silent here.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 10:35:05 AM EST
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from, I think, Living in the End Times, where he recounts the revulsion that the café intellectual crowd in Lubljana has towards "ignorant hicks" in the countryside who ask their local authorities for Roma camps to be cleared out.

Tolerance, tolerance, tolerance! The watchword for the social-democratic intelligentsia. Of course, the villagers asking for protection turned out to have concerns about loud fighting and gunfire in the camps and an "inexplicable" rise in crime in their town.

It's easy to be, to paraphrase Zizek, tolerant, when your own personal security and comfort is hardly impacted, but the fact of the matter is those townfolk also have valid concerns. Racism? Well, depends on whose doing the evaluating.

And tolerance is an empty word. Sometimes it takes intolerance in the short run to engender long-term tolerance. If the far right is exploiting this, it's only because the social-democratic set generally doesn't see such concerns as legitimate, and has set aside those concerns in favor of others more in tune with their primary constituents, the urban professional classes.

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs

by redstar on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 10:48:08 AM EST
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I am pointing out that this forum has certainly not passed anti-Roma racism under a veil of silence except when Serbia was concerned, which is what vbo was strongly and insistently inferring.

If you want to say it's not racism, that's your right, but I don't see why it's appended to my comment.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 10:55:10 AM EST
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Elsewhere,Zižek also said something more applicable to what Sarko and Valls are doing:

Liberal multiculturalism masks an old barbarism with a human face | Slavoj Zizek | Comment is free | The Guardian

Is this same attitude not at work in the way our governments are dealing with the "immigrant threat"? After righteously rejecting direct populist racism as "unreasonable" and unacceptable for our democratic standards, they endorse "reasonably" racist protective measures or, as today's Brasillachs, some of them even Social Democrats, tell us: "We grant ourselves permission to applaud African and east European sportsmen, Asian doctors, Indian software programmers. We don't want to kill anyone, we don't want to organise any pogrom. But we also think that the best way to hinder the always unpredictable violent anti-immigrant defensive measures is to organise a reasonable anti-immigrant protection."

(Robert Brasillach is a pre-WWII French anti-Semite, Žižek quotes the original of the above paraphrase in the article.)

*Lunatic*, n.
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by DoDo on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 05:56:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Brasillach: during WWII, also. He was shot in 1945 for intelligence with the enemy.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 08:25:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]
"moderate" anti-semitism.

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs
by redstar on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 09:57:14 AM EST
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one proposes. There is and always has been an alternative to liberal multiculturalism.

There is a left party currently running well in elections, in the Netherlands, who has historically voiced that alternative. Zizek is of course not talking about that alternative. What he is after is a class-based, rather than ethnic-based, conflict and solution.

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs

by redstar on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 09:56:33 AM EST
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I don't think Žižek was after any solution in the Slovenian comments, he only wanted to highlight class-based/urbanite prejudice on the part of Ljubjana liberal intellectuals when speaking about rural pogromists. (He overshot of course, not mentioning the attempted pogrom and taking their claims on TV at face value.) In the French situation however, it's not (only) "rural hicks" who want pointless but spectacular Sarko-style action against Roma camps, but people in affluent neighbourhoods and urban areas.

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by DoDo on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 07:01:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Again with the failure to resolve ET readers into individuals, and the diversion towards the beef you had with an unidentified ET reader in some past debate on a Serbia-related subject. And have you read the quoted part properly? It doesn't need any commentary: they are evicting dozens of children and the pointlessness of the whole exercise is shown by camps being set up elsewhere.

*Lunatic*, n.
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by DoDo on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 03:00:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Who is silent here about anti-Roma racism anywhere in Europe?

Sometimes I think you only see here what you want to see.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 02:22:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Maybe ...but it seems to be mutual...
by vbo on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 09:09:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]
See here.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 11:01:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]
It's depressing that we change Sarkozy for Hollande, but this continues in the same vein.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 04:01:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Thank you for talking...
by vbo on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 09:10:09 AM EST
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Not much of a surprise (sadly): Manuel Valls, the Interior Minister, was once rumored to enter the Sarkozy government; he was Hollande's campaign manager; now, he and JM.Ayrault have clearly taken over the government, leaving Martine Aubry marginalized.

Generally speaking, Socialist governments carrying out right wing policies are hardly a novelty in Europe those days: I've been wondering whether Hollande would turn out to be the French Zapatero; too early to call, but it doesn't look good.

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 04:39:16 PM EST
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That's a simple fact. Build it, and problem solved.

One party had a credible programme to address this in our recent elections. They were not elected.

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs

by redstar on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 10:54:57 AM EST
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A day after police forced 70 Roma (also known as gypsies) including 19 children out of a camp in the Paris suburb of Evry, officers targeted the biggest makeshift encampment in the Lyon area.

Because if we don't call them gypsies but roma, readers may feel sympathy for them rather than the reflexive disgust we want to inspire.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 11:00:01 AM EST
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Ethnic tension rocks Macedonian government | EurActiv

Macedonia may face early elections after an ethnic Albanian party that is part of the governing coalition threatened to quit in protest of a draft law on the rights of Macedonian soldiers and their families that was put before parliament.

The draft law, tabled on Friday (24 August), has provoked a crisis in the Macedonian government between the main ruling VMRO-DPMNE and its ethnic Albanian coalition partner, the Democratic Union for Integration, DUI, the Balkan Insight news site reports.

DUI leaders said they would quit the coalition if the same rights and privileges are not extended to members of Albanian guerrilla forces that fought in a brief ethnic conflict in 2001.



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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:04:38 PM EST
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Well with Albanians it is never over...Same rights for "Albanian guerrilla forces that fought in a brief ethnic conflict in 2001"...? They fought with those solders mentioned in draft law. Okeeey...
by vbo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 11:24:47 PM EST
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Well with Albanians it is never over...

What is that supposed to mean?

*Lunatic*, n.
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by DoDo on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 01:30:46 AM EST
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vbo:
with Albanians it is never over

Racist stereotypes. You never stop.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 02:24:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Oh yeah...comments like this is always expected from you afew, so I am not reacting....
by vbo on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 04:03:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Are you stereotyping me now?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 04:12:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I hear you as an echo every time... no matter what I say your response is always like "Serbs are racists" "she is a racist"...so keep going...
by vbo on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 05:03:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Afew said nothing about Serbs but highlighted a specific comment of yours, which does look racist. And you almost always think in "the Serbs", "the Albanians", "the EUropeans", "you [plural]" and "the Roma" and fail to resolve masses of people into individuals or sub-groups.

Above, you hurl an accusation at a "you" which I first interpreted as applying to myself, then I realised it is plural and a continuation of this, which is itself the continuation of some exchange you had with some ET member on some similar incident in Belgrade. I suggest you remember which individuals you had that discussion with and don't project it to everyone else.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 05:21:33 AM EST
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vbo:
no matter what I say your response is always like "Serbs are racists" "she is a racist".

Totally untrue. You are quite incapable of proving it, so don't make that kind of accusation.

I called your comment on Albanians a racist stereotype, I made no general comment about Serbians, nor did I accuse you of being a racist.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 05:24:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I am sorry but that is how I feel...All tho you are in title to your opinion.
by vbo on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 06:48:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]
They fought with those solders mentioned in draft law.

What about it? When a civil war ends with some form of national reconciliation, treating the armed forces of both sides similarly is the norm.

*Lunatic*, n.
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by DoDo on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 03:19:21 AM EST
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If only...in wars there are winners and losers and we all know the rest...
Trouble is that in this case war is not finished yet...and it will hardly be any time soon. War being not just fight using real weapons...
by vbo on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 03:59:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yeah, the war started in 1389 and has been ongoing, without respite, for nearly 625 years.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 04:03:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]
1389? That has nothing to do with Albanians but has with Turks ...
by vbo on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 04:05:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]
So when did this particular war with and without guns begin for you and where and why does it separate from the preceding Serb-Ottoman and Christian-Muslim conflicts?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 05:38:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]
This particular war with Albanians started after western world helped big way dissolution of ex YU ( and armed Albanians of ex YU) and succeeded. Tensions started long long time ago (probably no one can say exactly when). And I have to remind you that this time and in this case it's not Serbs involved in conflict with Albanians...it's Macedonians.
And this has nothing to do with Albanians being Islamists...this one is about grabbing of the land...
by vbo on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 06:56:05 AM EST
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organised crime state which is Kosovo, in passing?

If not, I will.

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs

by redstar on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 08:39:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]
damn. Hit the four by accident. Sorry Redstar.
by Katrin on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 01:22:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Apologies accepted ;-)

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs
by redstar on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 10:00:18 AM EST
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Let's go through this point by point.

What we have here is a current political conflict between the VMRO-DPMNE and DUI parties in Macedonia.

You started your reaction with a comment not on DUI, not even Albanian-Macedonians, but on "the Albanians", thereby implying the idea of a wider conflict. (Of course, there is a connection to Kosovo via the Greater Albania nationalists and related cross-border ties, but you said nothing on that and those aren't the whole story.)

That you see a wider conflict was also underlined by your clear taking of sides in this conflict in characterising it as one about Albanian land grab. (Which doesn't mean that there weren't attempts at land grab on the side of Albanian-Macedonian forces, but the government forces weren't saints either, and that's not just in the ethnic conflict: think of the 'rendition' of Khalid El-Masri and the killing of seven illegal immigrants to present them to the USA as terrorists; the latter under the reign of VMRO-DPMNE.)

You posit an on-going war with and without arms, and now you claim that it started with Western meddling in the dissolution of Yugoslavia. However, the wider conflict involving Albanians in Yugoslavia started before that Western meddling: the first major riots in Kosovo were in March-April 1981, Slobo's Kosovo Polje speech was in April 1987, the removal of Kosovo's autonomy with tanks on the streets was in March 1989. And had you restricted yourself to the conflict in Macedonia, the connection to Western meddling is not that straightforward: while the 2001 armed conflict was a spillover from the Kosovo conflict in which the West had a strong role in arming the militants, there has been a conflict without arms in Macedonia involving ethnic-Albanian separatists at least from 1994, which had no relation to the West.

Your most ominious comment is this 'war without real weapons'. You haven't elaborated on that a bit, so the only association I can make is to Serb nationalist claims that the reversion of the ethnic balance due to the higher birthrate and the alleged driveout of non-Albanians during the Yugoslavian era were a continuation of the WWII-time conflict without arms. And that's how your from-the-hip comments on 'land-grabbing Albanians' and an on-going "war" create a connection between the current government crisis in Macedonia and earlier conflicts in Yugoslavia and its predecessors all the way back to the end of the Ottoman era.

Of course, when I wrote of "preceding Serb-Ottoman and Christian-Muslim conflicts", I didn't meant the current conflict but the precedents to your 'land-grabbing war' of 'the Albanians' in the Ottoman era, as implied by the word "preceding" and as follows from Migeru's 1389 comment. Albanians first came in large numbers to areas of the former Serbian Empire and later Yugoslavia, including Kosovo and what is today eastern Macedonia, in the Ottoman era. There was no "Macedonia" even before the Ottoman conquest: in 1389, the area belonged to four different principalities (which themselves were created on the ruins of the Serbian Empire), including Moravian Serbia and its ally the Oblast of Branković, and two vassals of the Ottoman Empire. (Also, the troops of the Ottoman Empire didn't consist of Turks only.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 04:20:38 AM EST
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DoDo:
Albanians first came in large numbers to areas of the former Serbian Empire and later Yugoslavia, including Kosovo and what is today eastern Macedonia, in the Ottoman era.

Do you have any source for that? Wikipedia sums up the pre-Ottoman knowledge of Albanians as the following:

Origin of the Albanians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The origin of the Albanians has been for some time a matter of dispute among historians. Most historians conclude that the Albanians are descendants of populations of the prehistoric Balkans, such as the Illyrians, Dacians or Thracians.[1] Little is known about these peoples, and they blended into one another in Thraco-Illyrian and Daco-Thracian contact zones even in antiquity.

The Albanians first appear in the historical record in Byzantine sources of the late 11th century. At this point, they were already fully Christianized. Very little evidence of pre-Christian Albanian culture survives, although Albanian mythology and folklore are of Paleo-Balkanic origin and almost all of their elements are pagan,[2] in particular showing Greek influence.[3]

The Albanian language forms a separate branch of Indo-European, first attested in the 15th century, apparently based on the wider Paleo-Balkans group of antiquity.

Studies in genetic anthropology show that the Albanians share the same ancestry as most other European peoples.[4]



A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!
by A swedish kind of death on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 05:26:43 AM EST
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Check this Wikipedia summary which includes Middle Age census information.

*Lunatic*, n.
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by DoDo on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 05:49:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]
It is not going to get us very far in this discussion if we start to go to ancient roots and who came first and where...In that case we can question absolutely all borders in the world...
We have to talk about present time. It is fact that Albanians are majority on Kosovo and they also have areas where they are majority in other neighboring countries/states. So where do you stand on this one? Are they to be allowed to grab land that presently is in other neighboring states? And form great Albania or even worse to create many small states in the area? Just because they are majority? Is that your position. If so we need to change a lot of borders all around the world ( and specially Europe) RIGHT NOW!
I was under impression that your position is not that everyone can make new state just on the basis of national identity ? Using force or not? Because if it's not a case then you would admit that Serbs in Bosnia can have their own state just because they have areas where they are majority? If your argument is that Serbs in Bosnia used force then I can tell you that Albanians on Kosovo used even bigger force ( NATO) to achieve their goal.
What exactly is your proposal? Macedonian problem with Albanians is part of the bigger picture of course. But Albanian's goal is the same...So what exactly you would do about this?  
by vbo on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 06:27:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Oh and hear this:

Albright Capital Management, the company of Mrs. Madeleine Albright, is officially competing for buying 75% of the Kosovo Post and Telecommunication (PTK).  

http://www.ekapija.com/website/sr/page/617756_en

Besides Albright, former NATO General Wesley Clark has also expressed interest in doing business in Kosovo. Namely, Clark is interested in investing in the synthetic oil production in Dukagjin.  

Joy...talking about rewards...for their dirty job.
But yeah it is much easier to put whole blame on Serbs...

by vbo on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 06:41:11 AM EST
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Which part of my post implied any opinion on Greater Albania? I was just analysing the implications of your words (and like it or notm, it is your words that take things back to ancient roots). And what has that to do with demands about the treatment of veterans of the 2001 civil war? To my knowledge, already the UČK renounced separatism and Greater Albania before the peace agreement, so unless you have any new background info on the Macedonian situation for us to present, you are just regurgitating 11-year-old stuff based on anti-Albanian sentiment.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 06:40:58 PM EST
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 UČK renounced separatism and Greater Albania
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This really makes me laugh...
UCK is saying what Americans are ordering them to say...
What do you think this conflict is and was all about? Human rights?
How in your opinion civil war is different for veterans than any other war? People that did fight civil war hate each other even more than those that fight between nations. And there are winners and losers of course. It takes many decades if not centuries for hatred from civil (and other) wars to subside. It usually takes for that specific generation at least to die and even that is not enough.
by vbo on Fri Aug 31st, 2012 at 08:58:30 PM EST
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UCK is saying what Americans are ordering them to say...

I repeat, you are regurgitating 11-year-old stuff based on anti-Albanian sentiment, and a crude one at that. You have presented zero evidence for separatism being the current goal of the DUI (which doesn't mean that there isn't such evidence, just that you don't bother to look for/present it). Your claim about the UČK (and, I presume, later its political successor the DUI) accepting American orders also needs evidence (it's of course quite likely that they bowed to US pressure in scaling back their goals, but that's something different). Yours is not an analysis of the present situation: you haven't explained how the equal treatment of the veterans of the civil war would constitute a land grab.

How in your opinion civil war is different for veterans than any other war?

Well, one difference is that the sides in the war become political forces in the same entity. Not that this or anything you say explains how the equal treatment of veterans on both sides constitutes a land grab.

And you haven't reflected on anything else I said.

*Lunatic*, n.
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by DoDo on Sat Sep 1st, 2012 at 04:38:28 AM EST
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Yeah right...evidence...how do you expect me to find it? On Internet? And even if I find it it is in Albanian so either me or you can not understand one word. I do not hang with that crowd to tape them and give you an evidence. But it is so obvious for those who care to see. You are not one of them.
by vbo on Sat Sep 1st, 2012 at 07:50:37 AM EST
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OK I am trying to find evidence how friendly DUI is in Macedonia...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Union_for_Integration

After the foundations of a 13th century church were found by a government funded excavation within the Skopje Fortress complex, the Cultural Heritage
Protection Office actioned a project to restore it in the form of a church museum. DUI politicized the restoration and called for the construction of a mosque alongside the planned church museum. Their calls were not taken seriously by the Cultural Heritage Protection Office on account of there never having been any Islamic monuments within the complex (which predates Islamic influence in the region). Restorative efforts were briefly halted to allow for the calming of tensions. However, as soon as restoration was resumed, hundreds of DUI supporters converged on the site on 11 February 2011, among them the leaders of DUI and other high-ranking ethnic Albanian ministers, and many then proceeded to destroy and vandalize the site.[2]
External links

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Ahmeti

From 1979 to 1983 Ahmeti studied Philosophy at the University of Pristina in Kosovo, Serbia, graduating in 1983. Between 1981 and 1983, he also was one of the leaders of the Albanian nationalist[citation needed], separatist[citation needed] and irredentist[citation needed] student movement in Kosovo[citation needed]. For these activities, Ahmeti was arrested and imprisoned for one year by the Serbian and Yugoslav authorities[citation needed].

During the years 1984/1986 he was involved with reconsolidation of the student movement ( and general popular movement ) in Kosovo.[citation needed] In 1986, Ahmeti gained political asylum in Switzerland, where he lived until 2001, and was working like a coordinator of different groups.[citation needed]

Diagnosed as a schizophrenic by psychiatrists in Switzerland, Ali Ahmeti was judged incapable for labor and thus obtained 3,000.00 Swiss francs per month from the invalidity insurance in Lucerne due to his paranoid and schizophrenic tendencies.[1]

During 1988/89 he was one of the leaders of the student and miners protests against the Milosevic government. During 1989/90, he was one of the main organizers of protests of the Albanian diaspora in Europe. Ahmeti, gained his recent political support from the National Movement for the Liberation of Kosovo. In the year 1986, he was elected as a member of the Main Council, with a specific duty, interconnecting Kosovo with Europe. In the year 1988, he was elected member of the leadership of the National Movement of Kosovo. He was re-elected in this position in 1993, with the special duty in the military sector.

During the year 1996, Ahmeti was one of the main founders of the Kosovo Liberation Army, in 1998, when the war started, he was elected member of the main headquarters of the Kosovo Liberation Army.

In 2001, Ahmeti was elected Supreme Commander and representative of the National Liberation Army (NLA), which in the same year was officially recognized as a terrorist organization by the USA and thus in June 2001 Ali Ahmeti has been placed on the black list[2] of people unwelcomed in the USA because of terrorist activities and he was proclaimed Persona non grata in Switzerland and other countries as well.
 

You want more? I just happened to have time on my hands...

by vbo on Sat Sep 1st, 2012 at 08:17:55 AM EST
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http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/20487/45/

Immediate deportation of DUI's Xhevat Ademi requested multiple Macedonian organizations in Australia in a letter to the Australian Federal Authirities.

Ademi was part of a Macedonian Parliament delagation which was on an official visit to Australia.

The Macedonian organization, in their letter to authorities stated Xhevat Ademi is responsible for terrorist attacks on civilians and policemen in 2001 and has been on the US Terrorist and Black List for over a decade.

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/140747/macedonia-39-s-govt-coalition-shaking-pm-gruevski-admits.ht ml

"I spoke to the chairman of this party several times in the past few months. I have noted that certain persons are behaving inadequately, and that is the tip of the iceberg of such a dishonest behavior which does not help DUI achieve its goals that are important for the Albanians in Macedonia, and is only creating tensions. So the answer to the question whether there is a crisis is: of course, there is a crisis," Gruevski explained.

The BGNES news agency points out that the real reason for the political crisis in Macedonia are the actions of Macedonian Defense Minister Fatmir Besimi, an ethnic Albanian from the DUI, who several days ago honored a memorial in the village of Slupcani of the ethnic Albanian guerrilla separatists who died in the brief civil war in Macedonia in 2001.

The official stand of the Macedonian government in Skopje is that the Albanian separatists killed in 2001 were extremists rebelling against Macedonia's sovereignty.

by vbo on Sat Sep 1st, 2012 at 08:55:30 AM EST
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This should go here...

Oh and hear this:

    Albright Capital Management, the company of Mrs. Madeleine Albright, is officially competing for buying 75% of the Kosovo Post and Telecommunication (PTK).  

http://www.ekapija.com/website/sr/page/617756_en

    Besides Albright, former NATO General Wesley Clark has also expressed interest in doing business in Kosovo. Namely, Clark is interested in investing in the synthetic oil production in Dukagjin.  

Joy...talking about rewards...for their dirty job.
But yeah it is much easier to put whole blame on Serbs...

by vbo on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 06:43:37 AM EST
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Yes, they are dirty profiteers, but what has this to do with anything I said, or with the situation in Macedonia?

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by DoDo on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 06:45:27 PM EST
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What this has to do with anything you said or with Macedonia?
It is showing why (amongst other more important things) this conflict has been helped by armament of an illegal Army and illegal bombardment of an sovereign state...
But who am I talking to...Since then we have seen much more and worse of the same( Iraq, Libya , now Syria etc,). Now this is actually pretty normal for people that love to spread democracy around world ( and kill hundred of thousands in the process).
by vbo on Fri Aug 31st, 2012 at 09:08:01 PM EST
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No, I cannot see any connection to Macedonia or our earlier arguments in what you say. You are thinking and speaking only about Kosovo and Serbia and interpreting everything in that light.

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by DoDo on Sat Sep 1st, 2012 at 04:42:19 AM EST
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It is totally same story in Macedonia...they had their war (but you call it short conflict) and you do not want to see this. Do you think they engaged in war because Albanians lacking human rights in Macedonia? Oh well...nothing I say will make you understand...
by vbo on Sat Sep 1st, 2012 at 07:55:01 AM EST
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Do we have anyone from Serbia to comment? Last night a woman who works with us for decades was on a bus back to Germany. The bus was stopped at the Hungarian border for six hours, until the passengers gathered a fee for the border control. Is this normal?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 06:16:36 PM EST
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How can this be? Is it impossible to text to the regional police department to report this sort of thing? Or perhaps the problem extends throughout the system...

Over on this side of the pond, any cops who tried that would be featured on Youtube the next day.

by asdf on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 07:10:36 PM EST
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If it is a busload of Mexicans, who have to renew their visas regularly, and who cross the border regularly, would they really dare to make public corruption?
by Katrin on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 02:08:32 AM EST
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If they are legally entering the country, yes.

Something similar is happening here in Colorado.

U.S citizens are among those who received letters from Colorado Secretary of State Scott Gessler questioning their right to vote, the American Civil Liberties Union said Tuesday.

"I was viscerally upset. You know like how when you feel in your stomach like you just got punched?" Veronica Figoli said about opening the letter. The Denver resident originally from Caracas, Venezuela, said she became a U.S. citizen in September 2011.

Denise Maes, ACLU public policy director in Colorado, said her office has heard from at least 25 U.S. citizens who received letters and that more are coming forward. She said the letters amount to voter intimidation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/28/colorado-secretary-of-sta_n_1837787.html

by asdf on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 10:09:29 AM EST
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Are you sure that's because they are Latinos and not because they are Democrats?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 10:14:52 AM EST
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Well, it's because they are new citizens, who mostly aren't from England or Germany--the sources of "real" Americans, so they are suspect. Incidentally that means that they are mostly Democrats.

The point is that people aren't afraid to complain about this, in those cases where they are legal residents. Undocumented people are obviously less likely to complain to the authorities. That was what was suggested in the discussion above.

This sets up an interesting situation where the local police departments, who try to use community policing methods, where the cops work to get acquainted with the people in the community by various methods. The idea is that community policing makes people more willing to call in problems with drugs, family abuse, etc., which is what police departments mostly deal with.

The problem is that when the state asks the local police to enforce immigration laws, that conflicts with the community policing theory: who is going to call the cops if the first thing the policeman asks is to see your papers?

by asdf on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 11:46:17 AM EST
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I am from Serbia but I do not see exactly the news there to comment about. If you are asking about that woman experience I can tell you that unfortunately yes it used to be "normal" ages ago and not just for Serbian border control but all over the place. I have direct experience with Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria and Turkey.
It is a pity if these things are still happening but it is totally possible.
It was "normal" especially at the time when people would smuggle food, clothing, cigarettes, petrol and other stuff in to the specific country and border control officers were aware of this and took advantage of their position (one could smuggle a lot if he pays "fee"). Sometimes it was money to be given and sometimes they would be happy with goods. I remember when I went for a shopping tour to Istanbul (long time ago) and our guide (young blonde women) took money and cigarettes from us passengers for  Turkish border officers but it was not enough and they felt like they have right to touch her all over playing friendly while she was giving them money. On our way back I couldn't believe my ears when on then ex YU border, border control officer gave me indecent proposal so that I can keep my shopping stuff. Unbelievable but true.
Now there is no need for smuggling so I do not see how something like this can happen and why it was not reported to authorities. Except if passengers were made to pay for something that Transport Company was due to pay. Nowadays we see how all over the world unbelievable happens so that passengers are made to pay for fuel and airport taxes for air company that they already paid regular tickets to, usually in the middle of the trip. Crazy times...
 Advice: use airplane when you travel in these areas and want to be respected at least by custom officers, haha.
by vbo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 11:16:29 PM EST
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Yes, when I drove to Bulgaria 5 years ago, I was charged 50 euros by romanian border guards to go into Bulgaria.

they do it cos they can, because their pay is so bad that they feel "entitled" to make more from travellers

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 03:06:41 AM EST
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Was he alone? You could have tried making a scene calling for his superior.

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by DoDo on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 03:22:01 AM EST
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I got the distinct impression that all of them were in on the scam. The superior would probably have "investigated" and required me to hang around for several days while he did so.

50 euros was cheap in comparison.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 05:47:54 AM EST
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On this I echo vbo: one used to hear such stories until a few years ago, but I haven't heard of it recently.

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by DoDo on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 01:33:12 AM EST
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Actually, only a part of Munich was evacuated for the night, but it included most of Schwabing. An unusually dangerous bomb was discovered (550-pounds) which they were unable to defuse so they decided to set it off instead, about an hour ago.

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 06:25:09 PM EST
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From Wikipedia:

the American M123A1 [was] Frequently fitted to M64 (500 lb), M65 (1000 lb) and M66 (2000 lb) general-purpose bombs, these fuzes were primarily designed to operate as chemical long-delay fuzes, with settings ranging between 15 minutes and 144 hours. The time delay mechanism was simple but effective: after being dropped from the aircraft a small propellor at the rear of the bomb revolved, gradually screwing a metal rod into the fuze, crushing an ampoule of acetone solvent contained within it. When this happened the fuze was fully armed and the timer countdown had started. The acetone soaked into an absorbent pad next to a celluloid disk which held back a spring-loaded firing pin from a percussion cap connected to an adjacent detonator. Acetone slowly dissolved the celluloid disk, gradually weakening it until the cocked firing pin was released and the bomb detonated. The time delay of the fuze varied according to the thickness of the celluloid disk. Removing a chemical long delay fuze from a bomb after it had been dropped would have been a straightforward process had it not been for the fact that there was an integral anti-withdrawal mechanism designed to kill anyone who tried to render the bomb safe: fuzes such as the M123 (and its derivatives) contained a tiny ball-bearing at the lower end which slid out of a recess when the fuze armed itself a few seconds after being released from an aircraft. The ball-bearing jammed into the screw-threads inside the fuze well, preventing the fuze from being removed. Because the lower end of the fuze was locked in place deep inside the bomb (where it was hard get at) this posed major problems for enemy EOD personnel: attempting to unscrew a fully armed chemical long-delay fuze caused it to separate into two separate fuze assemblies i.e. upper and lower. This action automatically triggered detonation by releasing the cocked firing pin in the lower fuze assembly, with lethal results for anyone nearby.


Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 07:35:16 PM EST
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Like war.

But then it is war, in a way.

"The past isn't dead.  It isn't even past"

by IM on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 02:11:34 AM EST
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Wars have two parts (at least), the active war part that gets into the history books and agitates the nationalists, and the carnage that remains for decades afterwards.

I noticed this in the 1970s when reading British magazines that had small, pathetic ads in the back begging for funds to help the heroes of the Battle of Britain...which was a shock to me because I had, in high school, been very interested in that glorious battle between the knights of the RAF and Luftwaffe...not taking into account the long term human results...

by asdf on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 10:40:33 AM EST
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More than decades sometimes. I once saw signs somewhere in the Dolomites warning of the possibility of unexploded landmines - from WW 1.....
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 11:41:40 AM EST
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Eurointelligence Daily Briefing: Catalonia to tap Spain's own rescue fund
Autonomous region will apply for €5bn in help without conditionality attached; Catalan government says the money was paid for by Catalan taxes; Mariano Rajoy has writen a letter to the Catalan regional president Artur Mas, in which Rajoy promised to consider a fiscal pact to give Catalonia greater autonomy; with Catalonia, three regions will apply to the Spanish domestic rescue fund, tapping a joint total of €8.8bn out €18bn; there is still a possibility of early elections in Catalonia, to coincide with elections in Galicia and the Basque region; Herman van Rompuy said on a visit to Spain that the eurozone's deficient architecture is partly responsible for the Spanish crisis; Rajoy remains equivocal on the rescue umbrella as one report says he was encouraged by the latest reports from the rating agencies; the Spanish economy contracted by 0.4% during Q2, as recession accelerates; Spanish savings deposits fell by almost 5% during July, the highest value ever recorded; the French government has reached a deal with fuel suppliers to cut the price of petrol by 6 cents, resulting in a revenue loss of €300m; Belgium calls on France to take over the public lending arm of Dexia as soon as possible without which there is no hope for a recapitalisation; Antonis Samaras is starting discussions with reluctant coalition partners over the €11.5bn austerity package; July saw a small increase in Greek bank deposits after large outflows in May and June; Greece is negotiations with the Commission over special economic zones to attract investors; fixing voting weights in the ECB is not going to increase Germany's influence, FAZ writes; German savings banks, public sector banks, and mutual banks have joined forces to protest against a common European bank regulator; they fear that German savers would have to cross-subsidized other deposit insurance schemes; Reuters Breakingviews, meanwhile, says that the split in German position between Jens Weidmann and Jorg Asmussen is greatly helping Mario Draghi to push through this bond purchasing programme.


If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 03:42:56 AM EST
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Spain is hit by a financial and economic crisis that finds its sources largely in private sector over-indebtedness caused by an unsustainable housing boom. These imbalances, which have important consequences for the overall competitiveness of the Spanish economy, were created domestically but were also made possible by deficiencies in the euro area's architecture.

From a European Council press release (pdf) on Van Rompuy's visit to Madrid yesterday.

(via Eurointelligence h/t Migeru)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 06:29:11 AM EST
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Beppe Grillo's Blog

Napolitano can appoint new senators for life. Another four to be precise. Today there are five. The maximum number of five life senators present in the Senate or five appointed by each President of the Republic is controversial. Since the time of the war, each one has done a bit as he has seen fit. After the appointment of Rigor Montis for unknown merits and acquired parliamentary immunity, according to rumours, the ones in "pole position" are: Eugenio Scalfari (the one that did the negotiations), Boss(ol)i (the one that was keen to use the Italian flag "to wipe his bum"), Gianni Letta (The twenty year carer of the P2 man carrying card number 1816, Berlusconi), Emanuele Macaluso (a member of Napolitano's "meliorist wing") and Margherita Hack (the only one worthy of mention). The five current life senators, apart from Rigor Montis, are the statute-barred Andreotti (93 years), Emilio Colombo (92 years), Carlo Azeglio Ciampi (as a former President of the Republic) (92 years), and Rita Levi Montalcini (103 years). In the next legislature, they'll be joined by Napolitano who compared to them is just a youngster (87 years old). Among the set of candidates for the position of life senator, the two most credible ones are Macaluso and Scalfari, both aged 88. Life senators never die, or at least they die much later.
In the Senate, a few votes can determine the outcome of a confidence vote or the approval of a non-constitutional law. It's already happened. The life senators can make the difference. It's already happened. In theory, the composition of Parliament, should only be decided by the sovereign people. It's not like that. The practice of appointing life senators is not controlled by any democratic system. It's a promotion with feudal and baronial, characteristics just like in the time of the vavasour's vassals and the vavasours. By divine right. The current president can influence the legislatures that are to come after his term of office as President, without being accountable to anyone, by appointing whoever he wants. The life senator has that position "for outstanding patriotic merits in the social, scientific, artistic or literary field"", the very image of Andreotti! If we want to honour those who have "done great things for the nation" it's possible to give them decorations, even really high ones, but the democratic life of the nation must be decided only by the electorate each with a vote that has an equal value to that of Napolitano or of any other President of the Republic that has preceded him.

Note: Cossiga offered to appoint Montanelli as a life senator but he refused so as to safeguard his independence. He said: "It wasn't a gesture of exhibitionism, but a concrete way of saying what I think: a journalist must keep power at a safe distance."



It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 06:56:42 AM EST
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Greek society is now stuck between neo-Nazism, racism and austerity | The Agonist
We should add that in the course of our internet ethnography about Golden Dawn we have  seen that their official webpage is very active with many posts and announcements being
uploaded on a daily basis. In addition, their youth's webpage is also very rich with texts, photos and videos, but what is quite surprising is their women's blog, which is very strenuous and seem to show that many young women are taking part in the organization's activities

wtf

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 07:17:26 AM EST
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 ECONOMY & FINANCE 


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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:04:50 PM EST
Spain pays sharply lower rates in bond auction - Europe - World - The Independent
Spain's Treasury has sold nearly €4 billion in short-term debt auctions that saw investors accepting much lower interest rates, reflecting easing concern that the country will need a full-blown bailout.

The Treasury says it sold €1.67 billion in three-month bills at an average interest rate of 0.95 per cent, down from 2.43 per cent in the last such auction July 24.

It sold €1.93 billion in six-month bills on a yield of 2.03 per cent, down from 3.69 per cent.



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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:04:59 PM EST
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Gazprom links gas price to South Steam participation | EurActiv

Gazprom Export Director Alexander Medvedev and Bulgarian Energy Minister Delyan Dobrev said yesterday (27 August) the separate agreements on the gas pipeline and on delivery price would be signed on 15 November, Bulgarian news media reported.

The first agreement concerns Bulgaria's participation in the Gazprom-favoured South Stream (see background). The country is key to the project, as the offshore section of the pipeline under the Black Sea reaches the Bulgarian coast north of Varna (see map) and then runs across the country before splitting in two branches - one to the to the Baumgarten gas hub near Vienna, the other one through Greece and the Ionian Sea to Italy.

...The second agreement concerns a gas import agreement for a period of seven years. Bulgaria's current import accord with Gazprom ends at the beginning of 2013.

No details emerged of the deal, but Medvedev confirmed that Gazprom would follow through with an 11% discount - promised to Bulgaria for the period of 1 April until 31 December - as a condition for the country's commitment to South Stream.



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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:05:07 PM EST
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G4S admits it is fighting to repair reputation - Business News - Business - The Independent
Security firm G4S has admitted that it is fighting to repair its battered reputation, as it wrote off £50 million in losses on its bungled London 2012 contract.

It fulfilled 83% of contracted shifts at the Games, failing to provide all of the 10,400 contracted guards and forcing the Government to step in with military personnel, the group confirmed.

G4S, which has already ruled itself out of bidding for the Rio 2016 Olympics security contracts, said it is confident that the Paralympic Games, starting tomorrow, will be fully staffed with a security workforce.



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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:05:18 PM EST
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Independent - James Cripps - G4S grilling may 'discourage' businesses from coming to the UK

The parliamentary grilling received by the chief executive of G4S after its Olympics security shambles was in danger of discouraging businesses to come to the UK, it was claimed today.

Nick Buckles was hauled before the home affairs select committee where he was given a dressing down by MPs after the firm failed to deliver the full 10,400 members of staff to guard Olympic venues, meaning extra military personnel had to be called in to plug the gap. Mr Buckles was left fighting to save his career after agreeing with MPs that the performance had been a "humiliating shambles".

But Neil Woodford, investment manager at Invesco Perpetual, which is one of the company's largest shareholders, told the Sunday Telegraph that the hearing was like watching "a medieval persecution". He said: "If this is the way Parliament wants to treat business, please Parliament, don't be surprised when businesses decide this isn't the country for them."

Yes, of course. The purpose of government is to award lucrative contracts to private companies, but woe betide if government imagines it might be able to hold corporates to account for their lack of performance. This is apparently outside their terms of reference.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 03:17:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Thousands caught in Polish financial scam - Europe - World - The Independent

Prosecutors say investors lost about 163 million zlotys (£38 million) a number that has been mounting as more and more victims come forward. Any law suits could take care years to go through the courts, with no guarantee of their outcome.

The affair has raised questions about the effectiveness of Poland's justice system and government because authorities failed to act against the scheme despite red flags from regulators and the criminal record of its young owner. Scrutiny has also focused on the prime minister due to business dealings his son had with those running the scheme.

...Financial institution, Amber Gold, promised guaranteed returns of 10 to 14% a year for what it claimed were investments in gold. Many of its clients were older Poles who grew up under communism and lacked the knowledge to question how a financial firm could guarantee such a high return on a commodity whose value fluctuates on the international market. The promised returns compared well to the 3 to 5% interest offered by banks on savings accounts - earnings essentially wiped out by the country's 4% inflation rate.



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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:05:27 PM EST
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10 to 14% a year
--------
Oh that's nothing, we in Serbia had 10% A MONTH with our pyramid banks. Even I (knowing what's going on) could not resist putting a little bit in and gamble...and I hate hazards. I knew man whose parents sold their apartment in order to, in a year time, make money for their son to buy apartment for his family. They lost their money. I knew women that used to work hard in Germany as a nurse and came back with savings of about 20000 DM and put it in that bank. She lost everything...I knew many of them that lost their money then. But not me...I opted to get out in time.
by vbo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 11:57:19 PM EST
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Beppe Grillo's Blog

We are already seeing an about-turn these days, according to surveys that have been conducted, whereby many young people are beginning to go back to working the land. Some of these guys are even university graduates, so these are not young people with a mediocre education and in order to go back to working the land they have to forget about dealing with the major retail chains because these can only work with the large multinational companies in the foodstuff sector, so here too we have a case of small to medium-size craft-based enterprises that use different product marketing methods than those utilised by the major retail chains and that, therefore, have to link up with the ethical purchasing groups in order to sell their products, which are seasonal products, short supply-chain products and organic products, directly to the consumers within these ethical purchasing groups.
Now we see this as being a possible solution to the economic crisis, the employment crisis, the debt crisis and the environmental crisis.
But if our proposal in theory were to become a reality, I get the feeling that if the Movimento 5 Stelle's presence in the local institution increases, the local leaders of the Movimento a 5 Stelle could introduce a very strong policy, both as regards waste reduction in public and private buildings and as regards the encouragement of local, organic agriculture, in other words, if farming were to become more local and organic in nature and reduce the amount of chemicals being used, reduce the length of the supply chain, and so on, all this would result in a reduction in our GDP, however, not a reduction simply for the sake of reduction. We don't want to see this Country's GDP drop simply because someone has put a minus sign in place of a plus sign before the GDP figure, but because a qualitative assessment has been made of human endeavour and what has been reduced? Well, those goods that are of no use, goods that constitute waste, goods that consume resources and that result in environmental damage.
So actually, what we're hoping for is a cultural turnaround because what is needed is a paradigm shift to one that goes beyond the culture of the 19th and 20th Centuries, one that is able to spot the qualitative production elements in human endeavour and that understands that oftentimes less is more. The reduction in the greenhouse effect that could be obtained by reducing waste in our homes, in other words the improvement to our world that could be obtained from households that consume less, is part of that "less is better" concept. Spread the word." Maurizio Pallante



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by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 09:18:33 PM EST
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 WORLD 


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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:05:44 PM EST
Corrie verdict `travesty of justice' says family - Palestinian Territories - FRANCE 24
A court in Haifa ruled Tuesday that the state of Israel was not at fault over the death of US activist Rachel Corrie, who was killed in March 2003 as she tried to prevent a bulldozer from flattening a Palestinian home in Gaza.


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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:05:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
French prosecutors open enquiry into Arafat's death - Palestinian Territories - FRANCE 24
French prosecutors have opened an enquiry into the death of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat following recent claims he was poisoned with radioactive polonium. The Palestinian leader died in a French military hospital in 2004.


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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:06:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I was almost sure he was murdered...they could not wait anymore for him to die and he wouldn't go away...
by vbo on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 12:04:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 03:20:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Is it sarcasm? :(
by vbo on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 09:32:18 AM EST
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totally.

It's Captain Renault from Casablanca. With the occupied territories counting as winnings. although, in hindsight our very own Who Could Have Predicted? would have been sufficient



keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 11:28:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Violent riots hit Kenya after Muslim cleric is shot dead - KENYA - FRANCE 24

REUTERS - Hundreds of protesters smashed cars and torched churches in the Kenyan city of Mombasa on Monday after unknown gunmen shot dead a Muslim cleric accused by the United States of helping Islamist militants in Somalia.

One protester was killed in the riots which erupted after Aboud Rogo Mohammed was shot on Monday, as youths from the port city's large Muslim population took to the streets saying he had been deliberately targeted by police.



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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:06:09 PM EST
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Indian PM fights back against corruption allegations | Asia | DW.DE | 27.08.2012

The opposition parties demand that Prime Minister Singh resign over this scam - also known as the "Coalgate."

India's state auditor, the Comptroller Auditor General (CAG), said earlier this month that the lack of transparency in the distribution of coal blocks to private companies had cost billions of dollars to the exchequer since March last year. However, the CAG report did not directly blame Prime Minister Manmohan Singh but said that the allocations had been made between 2005 to 2009, when Manmohan Singh was in charge of the additional energy ministry.



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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:06:20 PM EST
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 Environment, Energy, Agriculture, Food 


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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:06:35 PM EST
A new low for global warming: Sea ice retreats to furthest point on record - Environment - The Independent
The news that came yesterday should be, environmental campaigners said, a global wake-up call. The ice cap covering the top of the world is now smaller than it has been at any point since scientists started to measure it precisely from space.
The official tracking page is here; saved diagram for today:



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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:07:37 PM EST
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You think it's warm now? Wait till the phase change is over, and that's not that far away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wp4O7v5320
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 06:25:08 PM EST
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I wonder if there is a model that shows how suddenly things could switch over. If it's 2020, that is one thing (bad), if it's 2019 looks like today and 2020 is 5 degrees warmer and 10 meters deeper ocean, that could be pretty interesting.

Tidal waves R us.

by asdf on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 11:04:05 AM EST
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Don't need a Model.  Greenland ice core studies infer the last climate switch to a new stable state took ten to twenty years.


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by ATinNM on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 11:58:43 AM EST
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What are we looking at? No ice cover at all all year round?

Once the ice cover disappears altogether it can find it harder to regrow than if some of the cover remains.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 12:01:03 PM EST
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Well, the current rumor is that there will be complete melting in summer by 2020. (There is significant disagreement, apparently.)

The question is, if there were a tipping point, would we be talking about all of the ice on Greenland sliding into the ocean one afternoon, presumably causing global tsunamis and washing a bunch of cities off their foundations, or are we talking about a decade, where just as you get one seawall improvement completed then it gets overtopped again, or is it to be gradual over a period of centuries.

Right now New Orleans seems to be experiencing the second option...

by asdf on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 01:11:49 PM EST
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Looking at glaciers, they break up a bit before sliding so more likely the seawall scenario.

On the other hand if a meltwater lake builds up inside the ice and then breaks trough you get your tsunamis. IIRC, there were such examples last time huge amounts of ice melted.

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 03:51:31 AM EST
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For the melting of the Greenland icecap, I haven't seen any scenario shorter than thousands of years.

And if ice dams form (cf. "Ice Age II", for those with children), I'm sure that a bit of modest geo-engineering would enable gradual draining rather than the sort of cataclysmic rupture that accompanied the melting of the Laurentide and Eurasian ice sheets at various times.

Need a thread!

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by eurogreen on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 04:23:16 AM EST
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What afew said.

Predicting the future state of a dynamic, non-linear, Complex System subject to Sensitivity to Initial Conditions is silly. If the predictor is accurate it's only by happenstance.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:21:36 AM EST
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But I didn't say anything...  ;)
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 01:02:32 AM EST
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I was referring to the other afew.  You know, asdf.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 02:10:29 AM EST
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I'm asking for scenario analysis, not prediction.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 03:19:44 AM EST
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Just saw this.

Too many unknowns.  One of the biggest is how much arctic and antarctic methane is released and how it is released.  At the moment the release mechanism is geyser-ing but a methane belch, or belching, cannot be ruled out.  

The Rule of Thumb I've been using in my private ruminations is:

Take existing conditions.  Move south a hundred miles for every degree F of warming and apply to starting point.

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by ATinNM on Fri Aug 31st, 2012 at 02:34:06 PM EST
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Just so you know, the USian denier contingent has already mobilized to disprove these obvious falsifications.


"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 06:26:44 PM EST
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Who Could Have Predicted?


Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:22:00 AM EST
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Notice that the "lying by sloppy graphing" factor is about to kick in, namely, by adding the further two units on the vertical axis.
by asdf on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 07:14:02 PM EST
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The last reading for 2012 seems to me to be under the 4 line (and this is confirmed by the updated original graph), so I don't see any unnecessary addition to the Y axis.

Of course, zero-based would be better...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 01:14:39 AM EST
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Ethanol industry hits back over food price claims | EurActiv

Factors other than the growing demand for biofuels in Europe and the United States are at play in the higher costs of food, says Rob Vierhout, secretary-general of the European Renewable Ethanol Association, or ePure. He sees commodities speculation, food waste and growing appetites in emerging markets as bigger factors.

"You cannot present a convincing case that biofuels are structurally causing higher food prices," Vierhout told EurActiv. "We have had problems with [volatility] for decades and even in the time when biofuels were absolutely not around."



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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:07:46 PM EST
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If the land surface used by biofuels were available for food production, that wouldn't change the other factors pushing prices up, but it would certainly help to ease the crunch right now.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 01:19:15 AM EST
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French oil deal cuts fuel costs - Europe - World - The Independent

Announcing the move following a meeting with oil industry leaders, finance minister Pierre Moscovici said oil companies have agreed to cut prices by one to three cents a litre, and the government will take another three cents off through a cut in fuel taxes.

Easing the pressure of rising prices on French households was one of Mr Hollande's key campaign pledges. Fuel prices have neared record highs in recent months on the back of rising oil prices.



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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:07:56 PM EST
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UK minister hints at resignation in London airport row | Reuters
(Reuters) - Britain's transport minister said on Tuesday she would probably resign if the government gave in to pressure to expand London's Heathrow airport

Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron's government has ruled out building a third runway at Heathrow before the next election, in part to appease the junior coalition partner, the Liberal Democrats, but the issue has returned to the agenda with the economy still stuck in recession.

Government insiders say Cameron and finance minister George Osborne have an open mind on expanding Heathrow but that they were unlikely to reverse their policy before the election, due in 2015.

Transport Secretary Justine Greening was asked by BBC radio to respond to comments by a fellow Conservative, goading Cameron to approve the new runway and show if he was a "man or a mouse".



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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:08:08 PM EST
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There's a re-shuffle coming up. If Dave wants to appease corporate demands, she'll be moved

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 03:27:25 AM EST
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Australia to join EU's emissions trading system | EurActiv

Australia will scrap its planned floor price for carbon emissions and will link directly with the European Union's emissions trading system by 2018, Climate Change Minister Greg Combet said today (28 August).

Australia, one of the world's highest per capita emitters of pollutants blamed for causing climate change, imposed a fixed €19.08 per tonne carbon tax on around 300 of its biggest polluting companies in July, covering around 60% of emissions.

The €12.45 floor price was due to underpin the scheme when it moved to a floating emissions trading scheme in July 2015.



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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:08:19 PM EST
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Anyone with an expert opinion on this? On the surface, this appears to be a mixed bag: on the other hand, the EU's go-it-alone is gaining traction at the detriment of the USA-China-led blockade group; on the other hand, it seems to mean cost savings for Australia's coal industry.

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by DoDo on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 04:47:40 AM EST
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Well, in fiscal terms it's either a hideous blunder or an expression of confidence in the European carbon market. As the Aus opposition has pointed out, if the EU carbon price gets "too high", it will be penalising for Aus industry, and if it gets too low, it's a disaster for the federal budget, with respect to the €12.45 floor price they had previously been planning on.

The EU carbon market is currently broken, as CO2 production is down due to the economic downturn : the CER (ton of carbon) is trading at €2.63 , against a target price of €15 to €20. There are only two possibilities : a political decision to take large amounts of quotas off the market, or abandoning the whole thing. The Australian decision gives me hope... But the current dirt-cheap price is a windfall for EU polluting industries, and it's far from clear that the wise heads who govern us will be willing to reinstate the market at a useful level.

Whether carbon pricing is the right approach to CO2 reduction is, of course, arguable. But since it exists, it must be made efficient, otherwise it's just an alibi for not using a better approach.

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by eurogreen on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 05:08:52 AM EST
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Chavez criticised over deadly refinery blast - VENEZUELA - FRANCE 24
AP - All fires have been extinguished at Venezuela's biggest oil refinery after raging for more than three days following a deadly explosion, officials said Tuesday.

...The explosion early Saturday morning at the refinery killed at least 41 people and injured more than 150, Prosecutor General Luisa Ortega said.

...Criticisms of the government's response to the gas leak came from the refinery's neighbors as well as oil experts. Residents said they had no official warning before the explosion hit at about 1 a.m. on Saturday. The blast knocked down walls, shattered windows and left streets littered with rubble.



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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:08:32 PM EST
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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:08:51 PM EST
Madrid's 'slum of shame' faces uncertain future | Europe | DW.DE | 28.08.2012

Europe's largest illegal settlement lies just outside the Spanish capital, Madrid. A sprawling tangle of tents and cement houses, Cañada Real is now home to over 40,000 people. But maybe not for long...

In Cañada Real, roads and alleyways are unpaved. Houses are made of corrugated metal or cement. Some lots are just piles of garbage.

Forty years ago, Cañada Real was built by peasants who moved to Madrid for jobs. With the economic crisis, the settlement has swelled to some 40,000 residents - a mix of North Africans, Roma people and other immigrants and Spaniards down on their luck.

... "[Cañada Real] has been here for generations," she told DW as she opened a chain link gate outside her house. "But now the suburbs are encroaching on us, and suddenly, we are a bother. The city has arrived, and they want to get rid of us. They want the money this land could bring them, and they want us to disappear."



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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:08:59 PM EST
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Teen cannabis use may damage brain for life, warns major study - Science - News - The Independent
Teenagers who smoke cannabis regularly could be permanently damaging the development of their brain and are likely to end up with significantly lower IQ scores than teenagers who do not use the illicit drug, a major study has found.

...The study suggests that weekly cannabis use before the age of 18 results in an average decline in IQ score of eight points, which is enough to move someone of average intelligence into a category that is well below average.

The researchers believe this is evidence that cannabis can interfere with the development of the adolescent brain, which continues to undergo neural growth and "rewiring" during early teenage years.

"Quitting or reducing cannabis use did not appear to fully restore intellectual functioning," said Madeline Meier, of Duke University in North Carolina. She was the lead author of the study published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. " IQ decline could not be explained by alcohol or other drug use or by reduced years of education among persistent cannabis users... marijuana is not harmless, particularly for adolescents," Dr Meier said...



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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:09:08 PM EST
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fank goodniss i didnt smoke enny til i was eigteen sined teh jeenious
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 02:33:17 AM EST
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Looks like you may have smoked tobacco - it seems to have a similar effect on IQ....
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 02:57:41 AM EST
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Or alcohol...
by asdf on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 11:24:29 AM EST
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Smoking alcohol will not only damage your IQ. It will torch your lungs.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 11:30:28 AM EST
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koff koff
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 03:13:26 PM EST
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Nasa releases first Mars images from Curiosity rover - Science - News - The Independent

Nasa yesterday showed off the first high-resolution, colour portrait images taken by the Mars rover Curiosity, detailing a mound of layered rock where scientists plan to focus their search for the chemical ingredients of life on the Red Planet.

The stunning images reveal distinct tiers near the base of the 3-mile-tall mountain that rises from the floor of the vast, ancient impact basin known as Gale Crater, where Curiosity landed on 6 August to begin its two-year mission.

Scientists estimate it will be a year before the six-wheeled, nuclear-powered rover, about the size of a small car, physically reaches the layers of interest at the foot of the mountain, 6.2 miles away from the landing site.



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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:09:19 PM EST
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What are the usual explanations for this kind of geologic layering?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wp4O7v5320
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 06:28:16 PM EST
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Bottom of a body of water, or wind.

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by DoDo on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 01:38:01 AM EST
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Looks exactly like Utah.

by asdf on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 11:40:49 AM EST
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Telegraph: Climate change deniers 'are either extreme free marketeers or conspiracy theorists' (28 Aug 2012)
The paper, titled "NASA faked the moon landing - Therefore (Climate) Science is a Hoax: An Anatomy of the Motivated Rejection of Science", was based on a survey of more than 1000 visitors to blogs dedicated to discussion of climate change.

"We find that endorsement of a laissez-faire conception of free-market economics predicts rejection of climate science," the paper says. "We additionally show that endorsement of a cluster of conspiracy theories (e.g., that the CIA killed Martin Luther King or that NASA faked the moon landing) predicts rejection of climate science as well as the rejection of other scientific findings."

The paper says that a staunch belief in free markets was an overwhelmingly strong factor in the rejection of climate science and was a stronger factor than conspiratorial thinking.



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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 08:25:27 AM EST
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A poll of 9/11 conspiracy theorists : for or against climate science?

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 08:35:09 AM EST
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In my experience a weak belief in 9/11 conspiracy - probably something fishy, perhaps they let it happen - correlates with a general suspicion of the US government and a belief in global warming. On the other hand a strong belief - US government made it happen, and I know how - correlates with listening to Alec Jones and a general suspicion of international institutions and therefore a belief against global warming.

So I think you need more options.

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 04:01:50 AM EST
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This would be more interesting if they included "socially acceptable" conspiracy theories, such as the fact that Saddam had WMDs or that God sent his son to earth knowing that he would be killed. I wonder whether the correlation would be stronger or weaker?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 08:39:55 AM EST
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LOL

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:23:28 AM EST
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 PEOPLE AND KLATSCH 


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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:09:32 PM EST
US Bigfoot hoaxer Randy Lee Tenley killed in car accident - Americas - World - The Independent
A man aiming to start hoax rumours of a Bigfoot sighting in the US was run over and killed as he stood in the road trying to startle drivers.

He was wearing a camouflage suit and would have been hard to see, said police in Montana.

..."He was trying to make people think he was Sasquatch so people would call in a Sasquatch sighting," trooper Jim Schneider said. "You can't make it up. I haven't seen or heard of anything like this before. Obviously, his suit made it difficult for people to see him.



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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 02:10:02 PM EST
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If he left no offspring ---- DARWIN!

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 12:56:55 AM EST
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If he left offspring --- <Double facepalm>

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 12:58:53 AM EST
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You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 03:04:08 AM EST
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Also available in Essex.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 04:47:19 AM EST
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The Only Zoo Is Essex...

"Do not feed the ersatz celebrities"

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Aug 29th, 2012 at 04:59:13 AM EST
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Doesn't that fall under the Cruelty to Animals Prevention Act?

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:29:22 AM EST
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The tiger should at least be offered a Vegemite option. Marmite is for pussies.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 04:26:22 AM EST
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Riotous pussies.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Aug 30th, 2012 at 11:38:09 AM EST
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