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by afew Sun Aug 5th, 2012 at 12:13:02 PM EST

Here's the talk place (cont'd)


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Fire away.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Aug 4th, 2012 at 11:55:26 AM EST
Place the talk here.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sat Aug 4th, 2012 at 03:19:32 PM EST
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Percent of income earned by top 0.1 percent of taxpayers - 6 countries - chart



As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:23:52 PM EST
Rowan Atkinson confirms Blackadder return | Showbiz: Latest News | STV Entertainment

Rowan Atkinson has revealed on twitter that he is returning for a final episode of the BBC One historical comedy alongside a number of the original cast members.

He wrote: ''One can share that there may be a blackadder reunion, what do you all think about that?''

In response to one fan who wrote ''amazing! On two conditions: 1. It has to be all of you. 2. It has to be funny!'' Rowan replied ''And funny it shall be!''

He later added: ''The return of Blackadder will be cunning and exquisite.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Aug 4th, 2012 at 02:10:28 PM EST
Apparently STV news has been taken in by a Fake Twitter account

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Aug 4th, 2012 at 02:55:15 PM EST
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For those not familiar with that show: this show boosted the career of not only Atinson (better known for Mr. Bean), but Miranda Richartdson (The Crying Game), Stephen Fry, Hugh Laurie (Dr. House), Tony Robinson (also known for Time Team) and Tim McInnerny too.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Aug 4th, 2012 at 03:09:37 PM EST
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And writer  Richard Curtis

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Sat Aug 4th, 2012 at 03:39:49 PM EST
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and Ben Elton

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Aug 4th, 2012 at 03:57:59 PM EST
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'Ere, what's wrong wiv Baldrick?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Aug 4th, 2012 at 04:39:01 PM EST
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Dodo has already got him in the list :)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Aug 4th, 2012 at 04:57:12 PM EST
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Don't say Baldrick nowhere.

's always the same. Baldrick don't get no credit for nothing.

</whine>

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 5th, 2012 at 03:21:48 AM EST
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Here we are on the shores of Lake Annecy as the light fades and anticipation mounts. A tiny park on the outskirts  of the town squeezed between the road and the lake crowded with people and bicycles. Europe's biggest firework display apparently. Oh it's started

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Sat Aug 4th, 2012 at 03:45:19 PM EST
fireworks liveblogging, something does not compute.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sat Aug 4th, 2012 at 04:25:23 PM EST
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It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Aug 4th, 2012 at 03:49:30 PM EST
On Monday I wrote about the storm that hit my city in the midst of a festival last Sunday evening. Some photos I made.

The first is the least crap photo I made on the day after, showing only trees losing small branches, but it is an indication that the streets were covered in the stuff:

By the next day, the roads were cleaned, but they only took away the thickest branches and the rest was just moved on the roadside, most of it staying there even on Friday:

Today I took a walk towards the Seven Chapels (where I made my seasons photo series), where the damage in the trees was the heaviest. On the shore of a creek, there were still broken trees not dealt with at all:

At the Seven Chapels, most of the broken trees and major branches have already been cut up and transported off, while the smaller stuff was in piles:

Well not all broken trees were dealt with:

Nor all broken branches (the monument in the background is for a battle of the 1848 Revolution):

Closer to the Danube, some bigger trees were felled by the storm, too. The thickst parts of the trunks were still left behind (I was standing atop another piece which lay across the road):

Small branches were everywhere, also on the shore of the creek:

As for political consequences for the chaos at the storm-terminated festival: forget it.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat Aug 4th, 2012 at 03:55:18 PM EST
http://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/2012/05/01/information-graphics-taschen/

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Aug 4th, 2012 at 06:18:04 PM EST
No Tufte?

Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Aug 5th, 2012 at 04:03:17 AM EST
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From jay Rosen on Twitter
Under-interpreted political fact of the day. Bush, Cheney, McCain, Palin: all are not scheduled to speak at the Republican convention. Why?


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:22:00 PM EST
Conservatives - the party that loves the past so much it always tries to pretend it never happened.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:24:33 PM EST
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I was involved in a protest at a mountaintop removal strip mine in West Virginia, USA last week. I was besieged by questions from those who are "Friends of Coal" about jobs and electricity sources should we get our way. I had a few answers, but one I later came up with as an alternative needs some input from those here with the knowledge and skill set to help me understand if this might work.

My idea is to generate electricity with wind farms, supplemented by hydroelectric, as I understand is done in Germany and Switzerland. In West Virginia, there is a lot of potential for wind farms on mountain and hilltops. But, as I was constantly reminded by the Friends of Coal, wind is not consistent. I had read an article somewhere about Germany working with the Swiss to solve this problem by pumping water with the excess energy of peak output of wind to dams high in the Alps to be used to generate hydroelectric power when the wind is not enough.

If the workers were building access roads, turbine sites, reservoirs for captured runoff and pumped water, and hydroelectric generators, then they would remain employed, the mountains would remain relatively unspoiled, and a consistent source of energy would be available.

Does this sound like a reasonable idea worth pursuing? If West Virginia has one resource in abundance, it is steep hills and mountains.

And I include a photo for eye candy for those that are activists here, Dustin Steele and others locking themselves to a piece of equipment I took at the Hobet Mine:

boonewv_0728_0437.jpg

The rest of the photos I posted of this occupation of the largest mountaintop removal mine site in the USA are here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mentatmark/sets/72157630844833644/

by Mentatmark (mentatmark at gmail dot com) on Sun Aug 5th, 2012 at 01:11:59 PM EST
First, thanks for standing up to MTR and big coal, and hello to old buddy Roselle.

then you tell big coal they don't have to worry about backup for wind in amurka. existing plant provides all the backup necessary for a decade or more. It will take some 6X the current wind installations, roughly 300,000MW, to reach 20% of demand. By the time that figure is reached, all the aspects of sustainable generation and a smart grid will be in place.

Wind does not need to be backed up, because it is not the sole generating source.

Pumped hydro, especially for existing dams, will certainly be part of the mix.

the backup argument is a straw dog used by the conventional poison industry to obfuscate the viability of renewable resources. The real problem is the lack of wisdom of the amurkan people, who truly can't see straight.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sun Aug 5th, 2012 at 02:43:12 PM EST
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Expert commentary please on guyed towers for offshore wind?

Cables and composites create lean offshore | Windpower Monthly

Achieving 150GW of offshore wind round Europe by 2030 would require installation of four 6MW wind turbines every day. At that number in the middle of the North Sea you need to be able to arrive, install, connect and go quickly, using highly automated machinery controlled remotely.

Lean design uses shape, not brute force or weight. French company Vergnet manufactures 1MW wind turbines with guyed towers, for installation on land in remote locations with difficult access. This halves the amount of material in the tower and foundations and improves efficiency and installation.

As wind turbines move offshore, the turbine and nacelle remain essentially unchanged but, as the water depth increases, the weight of conventional towers and foundations can easily be double what they would have been on land - and installation becomes much harder.

For a guyed tower design, as the water deepens the geometry extends, but the components essentially stay the same and the weight does not significantly increase. Putting down the tower with a central pad "foot" for it to stand on, installing three screw anchors and attaching the guy cables is straightforward.



It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Mon Aug 6th, 2012 at 03:56:16 AM EST
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but no expert, or mildly knowledgeable, or even speculative, commentary?

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Tue Aug 7th, 2012 at 03:34:19 AM EST
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An answer in the last category: guyed cables and a weaker tower mean a lot more vibration modes, so I'd expect some complications.
  • What about the higher bending modes of the weaker tower for large turbines? I suspect that you'd need cables at multiple heights to stabilize against that.
  • What about cable maintenance? In comparison to radio towers, I would expect a higher strain on the cables due to all the turbine vibrations and the nacelle mass. A cable in the sea, even more so.
  • What about cables and access by sevice ships?
  • Cables would also increase noise and bird deaths, but I'm not sure by how much.


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Aug 7th, 2012 at 07:30:04 AM EST
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Technically, DoDo's comment is exactly what's happening in the design shops. Design life gets pretty complicated.

what you should know is that there are all manner of "solutions" being proposed. They all look fairly good on the surface, but then the surface hides the sea.

Me continues to be amazed at the number of alternative solutions being proposed, knowing that some of them will be tested.

But i also know in which direction the industry is moving.

someone once said, "Let a thousand flowers bloom," without quite knowing the consequences.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Aug 7th, 2012 at 05:41:28 PM EST
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I haven't read of a programmatic Swiss-German cooperation yet, but I am sceptical. Most of the wind power installed in Germany is in the north, and the north-south power lines are at the capacity limit during high wind. There is, however, a well-known wind-hydro cooperation between Denmark on one hand and Sweden and Norway on the other hand.

Now, "consistent" when applied to wind power is a weasel word that obfuscates multiple concepts, so let me give some arguments:

  1. Wind power output fluctuates due to changing weather (intermittency). But normal basload (nuclear, partly coal) fluctuates, too: shutdowns for refuelling, maintenance, or accidents and incidents. But does it matter? No, other things matter.

  2. One thing that matters is reliability: success in delivering the power you promise. This is not the same as intermittency: it concerns only the unforeseen part of it. For conventional baseload, reliability depends on the number and duration of accidents and incidents. For wind power, this largely depends on the difference between predicted and actual power output. There is such a thing as weather forecast, after all. You can check and compare actual forecasts and power outputs for wind and solar in Germany on the tracking page of the European Energy Exchange, here.

  3. Another thing that matters is meeting demand. None of the baseload plants, nor wind and solar, are capable of meeting demand on their own. Conventional baseload plants give a constant power most of the time, whereas demand has daily, weekly and annual fluctuations; and their shutdowns, due to their sizes, call for quick replacement on a large magnitude. Wind and solar (when those feeding into the same grid are taken together) show slower and more continuous fluctuations, but not by the same curve as demand. So, on their own, all of these need backup from variable power (usually hydro and gas, but also oil and some coal). For example, France manages to have a high share for nuclear by exporting a variable part of it, in effect using Italian and Spanish theermal power plants for balancing.

  4. Note that if you put wind and solar together, there is a greater correlation with demand: often the wind blows heavier when the Sun is obscured, wind is strongest sometime between fall and spring while solar in the summer, and solar's midday peak and terminator winds mean that there is some mapping to the daily power demand curve, too.

  5. Improving the grid (which is advisable anyway) can enable the export of wind power from regions under a storm front to ones with no wind, thus the random part of the variability can be reduced over a larger area.

With all that said, a 100% renewables or even a 40% renewables supplied USA would probably require major efforts to adapt and prop up balancing capacity. However, the situation with wind in the power mix is not fundamentally different from one with coal and nuclear as baseload, and, as Crazy Horse said, even 20% wind is still far away today.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Aug 5th, 2012 at 04:43:54 PM EST
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You don't need alpine heights for pumped hydro. There is a 120 MW plant in Geesthacht near Hamburg which uses a height of 83m.

Nowadays one would build the "lake" less ugly, but it would need even more room then. That's the main problem with pumped hydro: it uses an awful lot of landscape.

by Katrin on Sun Aug 5th, 2012 at 05:30:45 PM EST
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At a meeting in June i saw plans for a new development of hybrid concrete-steel towers designed to get 115m diameter turbines above the forest canopy. The towers are self-erecting, as the crane attaches to the highest concrete section to lift the steel sections.

In one version, the tower bottoms were used to store pumped storage water. It was claimed there are over 200 locations in Bayern alone with already built water storage and enough head to make the deal financeable.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Mon Aug 6th, 2012 at 02:38:23 AM EST
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Wow, sounds like an interesting idea, though I wonder about the capacity. Diary!

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Aug 6th, 2012 at 03:06:52 AM EST
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Südwest Presse

Liebherr Turmdrehkran (Wind-Kraft Journal)

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Mon Aug 6th, 2012 at 03:35:35 AM EST
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So capacity is around 5 hour 50 minutes at maximum power. Better than I expected.

I think this is really worth a diary, even if an LQD.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Aug 6th, 2012 at 03:39:52 AM EST
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No need to go to Germany to find out how pumped hydro works. Just take a trip to the border to Virginia.

Bath County Pumped Storage Station - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Bath County Pumped Storage Station is a pumped storage hydroelectric power plant with a generation capacity of 3,003 MW [1] The station is located in the northern corner of Bath County, Virginia, on the southeast side of the Eastern Continental Divide, which forms this section of the border between Virginia and West Virginia. The station consists of two reservoirs separated by about 1,260 feet (380 m) in elevation.

It cost $1.6 billion,[2] and was constructed with 2,100 megawatts (MW) capacity.[3] In 2004 upgrades started, increasing power generation to 510MW and pumping power to 480MW per turbine.[4] Bath County Station is jointly owned by Dominion Generation (60%) and the Allegheny Power System (40%), and managed by Dominion. It went into operation in 1985 and is still the largest-capacity pumped-storage power station in the world.[5]



A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!
by A swedish kind of death on Sun Aug 5th, 2012 at 05:53:02 PM EST
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I found the likely source of what you heard bout a Swiss-German wind-hydro cooperation: a Swiss parliamentary study (sorry link in German) on what to replace nuclear capacity with (Switzerland exits nuclear power, too). The study from this April argues that Switzerland is not well suited for wind power due to siting restrictions, but the rest of Europe has more than enough potential while Switzerland has hydro potential, so it would be best for Switzerland to 'serve' its neighbours with balancing power.

The article says that currently, Switzerland has 13.3 GW in hydro capacity, of which 1.7 GW is pumped hydro; and the study predicts the addition of 6 GW of power production capacity and 4 GW of pumped hydro capacity.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Aug 6th, 2012 at 06:25:17 AM EST
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Subthread now pasted into Mentatmark's diary Hobet Mine Shutdown, a Photo Diary.

Continue comments there?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 7th, 2012 at 10:20:31 AM EST
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by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Aug 5th, 2012 at 01:14:05 PM EST
Blood boil? THIS was enough to make me head explode, and it would have, had I not been wearing my anti-cognitive dissonance helmet.

drennen_0724-7_0201.jpg

by Mentatmark (mentatmark at gmail dot com) on Sun Aug 5th, 2012 at 11:44:36 PM EST
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Carbon-neutral coal is called charcoal. Atmospheric carbon is captured by tree growth, and the trees are converted into charcoal, closing the circle.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 6th, 2012 at 03:54:02 AM EST
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... in the U.S. of A.

Seven dead in shooting at Wisconsin Sikh temple

A shooting during Sunday services at a Sikh temple left at least seven people dead, including a gunman, and at least three critically wounded, police and hospital officials said.

Four people were shot inside the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in suburban Milwaukee and three outside, including a gunman killed by a police officer, said Greenfield Police Chief Bradley Wentlandt.

"This is the best information we have, and this information may change," he told reporters outside the temple.



Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Sun Aug 5th, 2012 at 03:54:32 PM EST
It's nice to spend a full week-end in front of the TV for a change...

Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Aug 5th, 2012 at 03:57:31 PM EST
I'd like to follow these to some extent:
  • Women's, men's pole vault
  • Men's 100 m
  • Men's, women's basketball
  • Women's football
  • Men's marathon

Of these, men's 100 m final is in 45 minutes, women's pole vault final is tomorrow.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Aug 5th, 2012 at 04:05:28 PM EST
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That said, I'm suffering through yet another week-log heat wave (tomorrow is predicted to be the hottest day of the year), so I can do little more than sit in front of the TV. So, I saw water polo matches, the victories in both tennis singles, gymnastics (not for long: I think landing on two feet should be banned for health reasons...), women's table tennis, and a lot of swimming.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Aug 5th, 2012 at 04:08:55 PM EST
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Seems like Bolt can sustain his myth. Second best run ever, although some competitors had better starts...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Aug 5th, 2012 at 05:47:59 PM EST
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Seems like he is consciously aiming for the history books:

Day 9 Review: Super Bolt retains 100m title - London 2012 Olympics

This gold means I am one step closer to being a legend, so I'm working towards that.


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Aug 6th, 2012 at 01:41:43 AM EST
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Salon posted, now to watch 100m.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 5th, 2012 at 04:09:06 PM EST
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it's hard to avoid here

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Aug 5th, 2012 at 04:09:16 PM EST
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Not me. Well, not much: even during the WE, I have a hard time staying in front of the TV for more than 10 minutes in a row.

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Sun Aug 5th, 2012 at 04:43:02 PM EST
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London 2012 Olympics: day 10 - live blog | Sport | guardian.co.uk
American judo player Nicholas Delpopolo has been expelled from the Olympic Games after testing positive for marijuana. Delpopolo, who had finished seventh in the 73kg judo event, accepted his expulsion, but said that the positive test had been caused by inadvertently eating food that he did not realise had been baked with the recreational drug. The athlete had eaten the food before leaving for the London Games, the International Olympic Committee's report said. In accepting his fate, Delpopolo apologised to his national Olympic committee, his teammates and his fans and indicated that he was embarrassed by the mistake. He waived the right for his case to be heard before the Disciplinary Commission.

Aw gee, Grandma baked me these nice cookies. How was I to guess?

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Mon Aug 6th, 2012 at 09:53:20 AM EST
Is marijuana a performance-enhancing drug? Or do they dump you for ANY drugs? Seems ridiculous. When my friend from London was on the 1974 gold-medal-winning pentathlon team, they took a bit of valium before the shooting competition -- it was ALLOWED.  Not any longer, I guess.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Tue Aug 7th, 2012 at 03:21:14 AM EST
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They can also ban dugs if
WADA's determination that the Use of the substance or method violates the spirit of sport described in the Introduction to the Code.
In other words, they can ban anything they feel like.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Aug 7th, 2012 at 03:31:56 AM EST
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