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Transfer Union Needed

by afew Thu Aug 9th, 2012 at 05:46:50 AM EST

Bloomberg has an editorial that seeks to reassure Germany and the richer Eurozone countries on the costs of a transfer union.

Fixing the Euro Would Be Cheaper Than Germans Think - Bloomberg

Like it or not, the euro area will need a similar risk-sharing system [afew: to the US]. Economists have long warned that the member countries’ economic cycles are too far out of sync to coexist without some kind of stabilizing mechanism. Inflation and unemployment rates diverge wildly, and European workers aren’t mobile enough to compensate by moving to where the jobs are.

So what would it cost to turn Europe into a better fiscal union? Let’s try a thought experiment.

The first step is to figure out what kind of fiscal transfer system best suits the euro area. Equalizing income levels need not be the goal -- trade and investment can play that role. What matters for the currency’s viability is diverging growth rates. So, the transfers should be aimed at smoothing them out.

To get a sense of how this could work, imagine a fictional European Stabilization Fund. Countries experiencing relatively fast growth (more than 2 percent, adjusted for inflation) would contribute to the fund. Countries in recession would receive payments equal to 40 percent of their loss in income, a cushion at least as generous as that in the U.S. If the 12 countries that have been in the euro since 2001 all participated in such a fund, how would it have worked out?

Nothing catastrophic for the core, Bloomberg's calculations say. In fact, based on GDP growth, Spain would have been a higher contributor to the fund than Germany...

Which makes one wonder if GDP growth would be the best criterion for such a scheme. What transfer or stabilising system would work best?


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Fixing the Euro Would Be Cheaper Than Germans Think - Bloomberg

Fiscal transfers aren't the only form of risk-sharing needed to make the euro area work. To get past the current crisis, euro-area nations must also take on some collective responsibility for government debts, a move that would probably require Germany to pay a higher interest rate on its portion of the debt. Here, too, Germany's burden might not be very large. A European Commission report, for example, suggests the country's borrowing costs could be about half a percentage point higher. On a German net debt load of about 2 trillion euros, that amounts to 10 billion euros a year, or 0.4 percent of GDP.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 9th, 2012 at 06:04:47 AM EST
Doesn't solve the problem, because the problem is that wages are too low and need to rise.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Aug 9th, 2012 at 06:27:18 AM EST
Bloomberg's proposal is that the European fund should pay out unemployment insurance throughout the E-zone. Considering that Germany's "reforms" making unemployment benefits lower and of shorter duration are at least partly responsible for real wage stagnation (ie lower real wages for workers not protected by collective bargaining), wouldn't a system with decent access and rates tend to exercise an upward pressure on wages? (Including in Germany).
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 9th, 2012 at 10:14:38 AM EST
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Why not an EU-wide job guarantee programme (initially) for the long-term unemployed?

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 9th, 2012 at 10:25:41 AM EST
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That would have to be very carefully designed to avoid being flipped into another version of workfare.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 9th, 2012 at 11:41:38 AM EST
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The basic idea is that anyone who wants a job gets a job at the minimum wage, funded by public money.

Currently there are fewer jobs than there are enemployed workers.

See Economists for Full Employment.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 9th, 2012 at 11:50:55 AM EST
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I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs
by redstar on Fri Aug 10th, 2012 at 05:03:14 AM EST
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If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.
by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Aug 10th, 2012 at 05:17:03 AM EST
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oops I meant to respond to Jake on Eurostat...

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs
by redstar on Fri Aug 10th, 2012 at 05:03:45 AM EST
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If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.
by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Aug 9th, 2012 at 10:25:54 AM EST
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Note that Bloomberg go on:

Fixing the Euro Would Be Cheaper Than Germans Think - Bloomberg

In return, workers could be required to sign more flexible employment contracts, encouraging the kind of labor-market reforms needed to make the region's struggling economies more competitive.

Same old song.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 9th, 2012 at 11:40:00 AM EST
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You need to smooth out the balance of payments, not growth levels. Otherwise you don't fix anything and countries can never catch up (ie the poors stay poor, unless their population drop maybe, since that would raise GDP per capita, but not in a particularly desirable way).

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi
by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Thu Aug 9th, 2012 at 07:23:26 AM EST
Exactly, what's needed is something along the lines of Keynes' proposal at Bretton Woods for an International Clearing Union in which the fixed-exchange-rate system was maintained by charging a fee on trade surpluses.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 9th, 2012 at 07:32:58 AM EST
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http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2006/6/20/15011/6624


I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs
by redstar on Thu Aug 9th, 2012 at 07:44:58 AM EST
It is interesting to compare the comment thread to recent discussions and see how views have evolved over the years.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Aug 9th, 2012 at 10:27:57 AM EST
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see what the Eurozone's gini is, and what direction it is headed towards.

Eurostat just shows the netional ginis, which certainly distorts the overall picture.

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs

by redstar on Thu Aug 9th, 2012 at 11:55:21 AM EST
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The version of the Eurostat database I see has GINI stats (table tessi190) for €Z 16, €Z 17, EU-15 and EU-27 going back to 2005 (earlier for some entries). There may be more different aggregates, but getting custom tables out of Eurostat is like pulling teeth on the computer and internet connection I have here.

It's trending up, but marginally so - I'd have to run it through some proper software before entertaining any expensive bets on whether the trend is statistically distinguishable from flat.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Aug 9th, 2012 at 12:27:13 PM EST
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Without proper software, just the spreadsheet from Eurostat ilc_di12:

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Aug 10th, 2012 at 06:21:54 AM EST
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The only problem is the labour markets, the ECB informs us :

Eurozone crisis live: ECB warns of slower growth; UK trade deficit widens | Business | guardian.co.uk

Product market reforms to foster competitiveness and the creation of efficient and flexible labour markets are preconditions for the unwinding of existing imbalances and the achievement of robust, sustainable growth.

It is now crucial that Member States implement their country-specific recommendations with determination.

You can see the ECB's full monthly report here (pdf).



It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Thu Aug 9th, 2012 at 07:53:07 AM EST
What is not monitored will not be controlled. The corollary is that what is harmful to the interests of the powerful will be excluded. Energy, food and asset prices being examples from the USA with respect to inflation. Volatility is the usual reason given for exclusion, but I see no reason that a 36, 48 or 60 month moving average should not be used. The poorly understood significance of the various measures of unemployment, U1-U6 in the US, are another. These kinds of distortions enable the regime in which all seems well by official statistics whilst the rich get richer and all others feel squeezed.

Likewise, wealth distribution and its effects are scarcely taken into effect or controlled. Thus there are no countervailing forces against ever more regressive tax structures as in California post Prop 13. Some means of reining in wealth accumulation is needed and the incidence needs to be roughly equal across the boundaries of all states comprising a monetary union.  

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Aug 9th, 2012 at 09:19:52 AM EST


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