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by afew Sat Sep 15th, 2012 at 11:26:32 AM EST

Know any good jokes?


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We could use some.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Sep 15th, 2012 at 11:27:20 AM EST
There's actually one that came back to memory while reading your Montgolfière diary:

A man is strolling the countryside on a Saturday afternoon. While walking along a wheat field, a hot air balloon lowers down a few meters above the ground and the pilot hails the hiker: "Excuse me, but could you tell me where I am?"
Hiker: "Of course: you're in a hot air balloon, hovering about 10 ft above a wheat field."
Pilot: "You must be an engineer, are you?"
Hiker: "I am! How did you know?"
Pilot: "That's easy: your answer is entirely accurate, yet it is totally useless..."
Hiker: "Oh, and I suppose you must be a manager."
Pilot: "I am! How did you know?"
Hiker: "That's easy: you don't know where you are, you have no idea where you're going, you are exactly in the same situation as before we met, but now, it's my fault."

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Sat Sep 15th, 2012 at 11:54:21 AM EST
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In the "Bert and I" stories of Downeast Maine, there's one in which they tell about going to the state fair and taking a balloon ride. The wind blows them off course, and eventually they come down low enough to see a farmer in his field.

"Where are we?" they holler down at him.

Comes the answer, "Yer up in a balloon, ya damn fool."

by Mnemosyne on Sat Sep 15th, 2012 at 08:40:36 PM EST
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To atoms are walking down the street when suddenly one of them says, "OMG I've lost an electron!" The other asks, "Are you sure?" And the first one replies, "Yeah, I'm positive!"

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sat Sep 15th, 2012 at 02:43:02 PM EST
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Oh God!, chemistry nerd jokes. Please stop!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wp4O7v5320
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 06:40:05 AM EST
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A man walks into a bar and says to the barman, "If you give me free drinks all night, I'll put on a great show for your customers and they'll stay all night and drink lots and lots."
"Oh yes," says the barman. "How are you going to do that?"
The man gets a hamster out of his pocket and puts it on the piano. The hamster runs up and down the keyboard playing the greatest piano music anyone ever heard.
"That's incredible!" says the barman.
"But that's not all," says the man. He gets a parrot out of his other pocket and puts it on the bar. The hamster begins to play the piano again and the parrot sings arias just like Pavarotti.
Everyone in the bar is amazed and stays all evening listening to the hamster and parrot and buying drinks.
At closing time, the barman offers to buy the two animals.
"No, I couldn't do that."
"Well, just one?"
"OK, I'll sell you the parrot for €100."
The barman is delighted, hands over the money, and gets the parrot.
As the man with the hamster is leaving, a customer says to him: "You're a bit stupid selling that amazing parrot for only €100."
"No I'm not," the man says quietly. "The hamster's a ventriloquist."
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Sep 15th, 2012 at 03:49:20 PM EST
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The only joke I know is the one about the farmer who was outstanding in his field.
by asdf on Sat Sep 15th, 2012 at 07:37:38 PM EST
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And to get around his cows he walked to the udder side?

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Sat Sep 15th, 2012 at 07:39:36 PM EST
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And said, "All I have I owe to udders" ?

(Oft-repeated by my grandfather).

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 02:56:03 AM EST
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There was a man from 'Uddersfield what 'ad sum cows as wouldn't yield. The reason why they would't yield? They didn't like their udders feeled.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 04:49:43 AM EST
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that this book was published before the summer. I contributed an article.

Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 15th, 2012 at 01:29:53 PM EST
How Leo Tolstoy Learned to Ride a Bike at 67, and Other Tales of Lifelong Learning | Open Culture
Some say you're never too old to learn something new. Others say you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Well, you know where we come down on this. And we've got some celebrity case studies to back us up. In a blog post yesterday, The New York Times featured four cultural icons and one war hero who learned new skills later in life. Miles Davis started boxing when most boxers are hanging up their gloves. Ayn Rand, in her 60s, improbably took up the hobby of stamp collecting. Marie Curie learned to swim in her 50s. And the great novelist Leo Tolstoy took his first bike ride at the age of 67. The Times writes that he started cycling:


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Sep 15th, 2012 at 01:43:17 PM EST
ceebs:
Ayn Rand, in her 60s, improbably took up the hobby of stamp collecting.

Oh my. Awesome.

(She was probably steaming the stamps off other people's letters).

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Sep 15th, 2012 at 03:22:03 PM EST
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Ironically, they were probably food stamps, since she showed herself so capable of living up to her own "ideals."

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sat Sep 15th, 2012 at 07:43:35 PM EST
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This can't have been a very interesting hobby if she avoided stamps issued by governments.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 03:39:15 AM EST
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NASA Mars rover Opportunity reveals geological mystery: Spherical objects unlike previously found 'blueberries'
NASA's long-lived rover Opportunity has returned an image of the Martian surface that is puzzling researchers.

Spherical objects concentrated at an outcrop Opportunity reached last week differ in several ways from iron-rich spherules nicknamed "blueberries" the rover found at its landing site in early 2004 and at many other locations to date.

Opportunity is investigating an outcrop called Kirkwood in the Cape York segment of the western rim of Endeavour Crater. The spheres measure as much as one-eighth of an inch (3 millimeters) in diameter. The analysis is still preliminary, but it indicates that these spheres do not have the high iron content of Martian blueberries.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Sep 15th, 2012 at 01:44:28 PM EST


"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sat Sep 15th, 2012 at 01:48:28 PM EST
Iraq sets targets for oil exports - The National
Iraq plans to raise its oil exports from its current 2.6 million barrels per day (bpd) to 6 million in 2017, helped by foreign investment in the sector.


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Sep 15th, 2012 at 02:55:15 PM EST
Didn't they announce 6mbd for 2010 back in 2003?

Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 15th, 2012 at 06:01:39 PM EST
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Yea, 6mbd oil from Iraq is starting to sound like the fusion plant that is always 30 years in the future...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 09:05:08 AM EST
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No shooting at protest? Police may block mobile devices via Apple | TruthTheory
Activism Articles Featured -- 08 September 2012

Apple has patented a piece of technology which would allow government and police to block transmission of information, including video and photographs, from any public gathering or venue they deem "sensitive", and "protected from externalities."

In other words, these powers will have control over what can and cannot be documented on wireless devices during any public event.

And while the company says the affected sites are to be mostly cinemas, theaters, concert grounds and similar locations, Apple Inc. also says "covert police or government operations may require complete `blackout' conditions."

"Additionally," Apple says," the wireless transmission of sensitive information to a remote source is one example of a threat to security. This sensitive information could be anything from classified government information to questions or answers to an examination administered in an academic setting.



It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Sep 15th, 2012 at 06:07:38 PM EST
Whoa. That's going to piss off the fanbois.

(Rightly.)

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Sep 15th, 2012 at 06:21:11 PM EST
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well sooner or later their desire for control of information was going to leave them on the same side as the Iranian mullahs

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Sep 15th, 2012 at 07:08:18 PM EST
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At the same time, it's already been seen that security forces can set up their own mobile base station when they want to block/intercept calls and postings... so at least in the UK this development by Apple is largely obsolete.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 01:50:21 PM EST
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I've read somewhere that it's more than this, that governments can enforce no camera recording in an area through this new technology, always thought it was too 1984 on both apple and the governments part if it was seen as so

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 02:00:01 PM EST
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<trundles out EM Pulse weapon>

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 02:19:16 PM EST
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Another reason to hang on to your Super-8mm camera.

One way to fuck with video cameras is to walk past a Metallica concert generator wagon. The cathode tubes formerly used in eyepieces on Betacams were susceptible to magnetic interference. Or there's a ski lift near Rovaniemi that passes very close by the business end of a microwave repeater station.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 02:27:05 PM EST
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As I understand it, for blocking it's easier to use the carrier to control/switch off nodes in and around a particular location. Mobile base stations are used by carriers to increase bandwidth at a particular location - say for instance at a stadium concert where there might be a third or more of the audience sending pictures from their smartphones. It's all extra revenue.

The emergency services do have, afaik, mobile base stations that can be used as a secure local network where normal carrier nodes have been switched off. This is one option for major disasters when carriers are swamped.

But, while it's fairly easy to listen to mobile calls at the carrier downstream of the network boxes and mediation layers, decrypting at a mobile base is trickier. Though there's this.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 02:17:57 PM EST
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Ham radio would still work. Subversive old geezers and their prehistoric toys...

by asdf on Sat Sep 15th, 2012 at 07:36:57 PM EST
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And then there's Slow Scan TV!

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 06:40:52 AM EST
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No idea why Apple thought they needed to incorporate this.  Easy enough to turn off information transfer at the telephone switch.    

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 03:02:27 PM EST
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At a conference organised by the European Commission: Jobs For Europe.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 15th, 2012 at 06:40:59 PM EST
European Commission press releases: Take your chances - Europe needs you Opening of the academic year 2012-2013, University of Technology, Delft  (Neelie Kroes Vice-President of the European Commission responsible for the Digital Agenda, 3 September 2012)

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 15th, 2012 at 06:44:48 PM EST
New Device Desirable, Old Device Undesirable

SEATTLE--With the holiday shopping season officially under way, millions of consumers proceeded to their nearest commercial centers this week in hopes of acquiring the latest, and therefore most desirable, personal device.

"The new device is an improvement over the old device, making it more attractive for purchase by all Americans," said Thomas Wakefield, a spokesperson for the large conglomerate that manufactures the new device. "The old device is no longer sufficient. Consumers should no longer have any use or longing for the old device."



Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Sat Sep 15th, 2012 at 07:38:53 PM EST
Oops, the new device has an annoying feature that may upset financially challenged customers.

(But it is exactly what you need if you are into showing off and rubbing it in.)

by das monde on Sat Sep 15th, 2012 at 11:27:38 PM EST
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And doesn't fit the European phone charger directive? , or does it have a seperate socket?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 01:48:46 PM EST
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Is anyone in or near Amsterdam? Just saw this at DKos, Americans having to evacuate Sudan, worried that their dog might get to Schiphol before them, need some help.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/15/1132352/-I-may-need-some-help-Anyone-in-Amsterdam

by Mnemosyne on Sat Sep 15th, 2012 at 08:36:08 PM EST
Land Destroyer: Cargill and Others Behind anti-Organic "Stanford Study"
Two news cycles have already been dedicated to trashing organic food. Organic food is free of pesticides and genetic manipulation, both of which are proven to cause learning disabilities, decreased IQ, sterility, and a myriad of other health problems including a wide variety of cancers.

This most recent anti-organic food campaign began with a Stanford study (and here) out of its Center for Health Policy (a subsidiary of Stanford's Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies), examining the nutritional value of organic food versus non-organic. Food with pesticides on it had nearly the same nutritional value, the study claims, as organic food - completely skipping over the whole point of eating organic.

Indeed, the nutritional value would be similar - but the entire point of eating organic is not because of vastly superior nutritional value, but to avoid the "extras" included with products from big-agri corporations.

The Stanford study intentionally dismisses concerns regarding the presence of pesticides by simply claiming levels were within legal tolerances. No discussion was made on whether legal tolerances equated to safe tolerances, nor was there any mention made of the harmful effects of genetically modified organisms (GMO) or other controversial food additives found in non-organic food products.

So why the strawman argument?

A Corporate-funded "Study"

The Stanford Center for Health Policy states the following  on its own website:
"The Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies (FSI) relies on support from its friends, as well as from national and international foundations and corporations, for the funding of the Institute's research, teaching and outreach activities."
The Center for Health Policy is a subsidiary of the Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies (FSI). So who are these "friends," national and international foundations and corporations funding the research of FSI and its subsidiary, the Stanford Center for Health Policy?

 

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 01:18:55 AM EST


keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 06:17:19 AM EST
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If only real nightclubs were this glamorous...
by asdf on Mon Sep 17th, 2012 at 11:05:03 AM EST
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Who Could Have Predicted?

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 06:37:30 AM EST
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Rick Santorum: smart people got no reason to vote conservative | Guardian
"Smart people" in America will never back conservative Republicans, or so says Rick Santorum - a conservative Republican whose verbal missteps are becoming as well-known as his hardline posturing on social issues.

Santorum, who ended up being Mitt Romney's closest rival for the 2012 Republican nomination, made the comment at the conservative Value Voters Summit in Washington.

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 07:53:01 AM EST
Its official, Republicans are the united thickies of Amercia

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 07:58:54 AM EST
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by asdf on Mon Sep 17th, 2012 at 11:07:39 AM EST
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See the Salon.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 08:13:23 AM EST
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Lincoln had a very apropos quip about the Know-Nothings.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 08:57:46 AM EST
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I'm experiencing the oddest of network access problems: I can't reach sites like Google, YouTube, BBC, Index (Hungarian news site); but I can access ET and a few other sites thousands of cable-kilometres away.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 09:02:38 AM EST
That is not a problem. That is the consumption of quality fare enforced on you.
by IM on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 09:07:12 AM EST
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So you can reach small sites but not large ones? Maybe some problem with DNS that makes sites with several IP-adresses to their name unreachable.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!
by A swedish kind of death on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 09:13:02 AM EST
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You're on to something... I tried setting Google public DNS instead of my provider's, and everything is back to normal.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 09:23:55 AM EST
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Ohio's War on the Middle Class | Mother Jones

"When you were six, I was driving a brand new Chevy station wagon and paying $125 a month," he says. "I remember seeing Cadillac commercials on TV saying, 'Drive away today with little money down and $450 a month,' and I remember thinking, 'I'll never be able to afford that.' And today that's a totally common car payment. We lived in a three-bedroom condo with two full baths for $280 a month. Nothing"--except the kind of crap boxed up in Susie's warehouse--"is cheaper now than it was then."

My father did ultimately lease a string of Cadillacs when I was older. Now he drives a Lexus SUV. Now he works at a firm that companies hire to headhunt the managers and VPs and CEOs they need, generally people in the $130,000 range but often much more. At the moment, my father has been tapped by a company to find the right candidate for a position that pays $600,000. Last year he placed someone who made $1.4 million annually, and another who made $1.5 mil. He bills enough that at the office, where I've had occasion to use the nap room, his is one of the faces etched in bronze on the plaques for people who've earned the firm a million or more.

"You know, you used to be able to survive blue collar," he says. "Now, the blue-collar guy, they just crush the life out of him. It's very depressing." Unemployment has doubled since the beginning of the recession, and home equity has fallen by more than a third, but Wall Street profits are up more than 700 percent. Profits at his firm, which is part of a global group with more than 4,000 employees, have remained steady. "Recessions," as my father sometimes puts it, "don't affect people like me."



It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 12:11:49 PM EST
... for his country. J. Christopher Stevens, the Ambassador killed in libya, was an enrolled member of the Chinook tribe.

Native News Network


Yesterday, he was an American. Just as Pima tribal citizen Ira Hayes was an American when he raised the flag on Iwo Jima during World War II, Ambassador Stevens was an American. Ira Hayes is immortalized in the Iwo Jima Memorial near the Pentagon. Somehow his American Indianness gets forgotten in the Memorial. He is simply an American.

Yesterday, Ambassador Stevens' American Indianness was obscured by the American flag, which is fine. He shared a dual status. American Indians understand this.



"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 01:09:19 PM EST


I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 01:17:54 PM EST
The instrument for people who fundamentally misunderstand bowed instruments...namely: the fingering is the easy part; you don't need a mechanism to help you.
by asdf on Mon Sep 17th, 2012 at 11:12:25 AM EST
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I have always assumed it is an adaptation in order to make it easier to play with mittens on. It is after all a predominantly Swedish instrument.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!
by A swedish kind of death on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 06:55:52 AM EST
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I went to a Country fair today which was mildly diverting. However there were so many dogs there that I almost wondered whether it had been compulsory to bring one.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 01:30:12 PM EST
Liz Cheney Claims Obama Has "Abandoned" Czechoslovakia

whimper

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 01:42:20 PM EST
But everybody has abandoned  Czechoslovakia twenty years ago. This Obama fellow is slow.

next: Obama is accused of abandoning the austrian-hungarian empire.

by IM on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 01:48:15 PM EST
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The GOP voter base heard about Czechoslovakia accasionally for 50 years of their adult life, and haven't been able to learn to say Czech Republic in the past 20.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 02:23:19 PM EST
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by IM on Mon Sep 17th, 2012 at 07:26:04 AM EST
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Obama must be Bill Clinton reincarnated, since it was in 1993. Therefore, the guy who keeps showing up and claiming he is Bill Clinton must be somebody else. That empty chair probably has something to do with it, also. Very confusing; I will have to tune in to Fox News for a clear explanation...
by asdf on Mon Sep 17th, 2012 at 11:18:03 AM EST
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They're all clones and robots anyway.

You know the real reason that Chinese dude disappeared for two weeks?

It was so the Illuminati could make a copy.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Sep 17th, 2012 at 11:20:33 AM EST
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Evidently she has taken on the title conferred on Barbara Bush, "a woman who really knows how to hate", by Nixon himself (who was no slouch in that department).

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 01:49:59 PM EST
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David Cameron's farcical reshuffle: the Prime Minister 'didn't hear' minister attempting to quit - Telegraph

Lord Hill, an Education Minister, remains in his post after apparently trying unsuccessfully to resign from the Government during the reshuffle two weeks ago.

The Prime Minister is said to have been distracted and failed to catch what Lord Hill was saying to him when they met in Mr Cameron's Commons office at the end of what had been a long day of blood-letting.

Warned he was late for a photocall, the Prime Minister left the room telling the minister to "carry on the good work," leaving him with little choice but to remain in office.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 01:49:55 PM EST
Evidently Cameron went through a good bottle of wine that day, so he was probably a bit too pissed

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 01:51:18 PM EST
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Jeremy Hunt's promotion - malice or alcoholic incompetence?
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 01:57:43 PM EST
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I don't see them as mutually exclusive

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 02:05:50 PM EST
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after the leaving the child at the bar incident, it all adds up :)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 08:35:25 PM EST
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Reuters: Portuguese and Spanish march as anger over tax hikes grows
The rallies in Portugal were mostly incident-free, but a young protester of about 20 was taken to hospital with burns after an attempted self-immolation during the protests in the northern town of Aveiro. RTP television quoted firemen as saying his life was not in danger.


I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 02:31:32 PM EST
Bill Mitchell: The brightest minds can be so dumb in particular circumstances (September 17, 2012)
The article cited above - A Contrarian Worth Listening To: Caltech Professor John Doyle Thinks "Complexity" is Over-Simplified - notes that the "Science of Complexity" is a new approach where:
... theorists (often physicists) apply statistical physics to problems in fields like engineering and biology. After reading through many such papers, Doyle says it's a recipe: Authors combine the same physics theories in the same definable steps to reach sometimes far-fetched conclusions. "What they've done is standard operating procedure in the physics literature, but now they've stretched it into a regime where we can check the answers," says Doyle, "If you're not a particle physicist, it's hard to check a measurement in quantum mechanics; but if you're an engineer or a biologist, you know they make claims about how things work in engineering and biology that are obviously absurd."
Mainstream economics shares this tendency. If you went to graduate classes in macroeconomics (and micro for that matter) you will realise how technically complicated the mainstream economists have made the discipline. Graduate students are imbued with a sense of self-importance because they can parade over others with the jargon-laden claims about the economy - appearing as deep thinkers who combine a complex understanding of human psychology with sophisticated analytical mathematics to solve intertemporal maximisation problems that have no real limits.


I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 03:07:19 PM EST


You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 03:39:37 PM EST
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I would nitpick a few things in the Doyle quote:
  • we're generally not talking about particle physicists doing this, but statistical physicists
  • statistical physicists or particle physicists are not used to making impossible-to-test predictions about quantum mechanics but fantastically precise predictions about scaling exponents in experimental high-energy and condensed-matter physics.
  • this doesn't mean that their theoretical worldview is transferable to engineering or biology.

That said, in the particular case at hand, before actually doing studies of the large scale structure of the internet, the statistical physicsts' stab at network theory wasn't far-fetched.

I am myself guilty of having a scaling law hammer in my toolbox and seeing lots of scaling nails.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 04:45:59 PM EST
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This guy loses the argument by the "try to keep to the point" method of evaluation!

I wonder what he thinks about Maxwell's equations, those nice clean four partial differential equations that describe electricity and magnetism. In Maxwell's time they were eight, or eleven, or some other bigger number of equations, all buried in a complex and abstruse system of understanding the problem--most of which is no longer taught. It seems to take a long time to get from the initial "understanding" of a complex phenomenon to the point where you can make the appropriate simplifications, and there are potentially a lot of detours along the way.

The mathematical understanding of economics does not appear to be at a level comparable to that of a lot of things in physics, but that does not mean that the people trying to understand it are doing the wrong thing. Maybe it means that the politicians to try to apply new rules prematurely are doing the wrong thing...

by asdf on Mon Sep 17th, 2012 at 11:47:24 AM EST
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The problem is not that people are trying to understand the implications of the core mathematical models in economics.

The problem is that the core mathematical models in economics are garbage. They are based on utter nonsense like long-run relationships which are independent of the short run, perfect foresight, loanable funds and linear equilibrium bastard dynamics.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Sep 17th, 2012 at 01:21:45 PM EST
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Economics has too many variables and constants-until-they-aren't to "blindly" break-out the Physics toolbox.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Mon Sep 17th, 2012 at 02:07:57 PM EST
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German savings banks encourage Merkel to fight against joint EU deposit insurance in an ad in the German press. Handelsblatt: Sparkassen und Volksbanken treiben Merkel zum Kampf (13/9/2012)

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 03:58:29 PM EST
Guessing:

If Germans can put their savings anywhere in the EU with the same confidence then German banks will no longer be able to get cheap money.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 04:03:16 PM EST
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More likely they expect to be asked to foot part of the bill for such a deposit insurance scheme.

A bill which has so far been wholly footed by someone who is not them.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 04:14:26 PM EST
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See comments here.

If we can't have pan-EU deposit insurance, then I'm leaning towards no deposit insurance for non-residents.

Anyway, Merkel in 2008 actually actively opposed pan-EU deposit insurance, insisting that it remain national. All the the EU could agree to in the aftermath of Lehman, Iceland, Dexia, Fortis, and the Irish bank guarantee, was to equalize the level of deposit insurance in all countries.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 04:25:54 PM EST
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The ability to conduct banking across regulatory jurisdictions without setting up separate subsidiaries with watertight separation of balance sheets is a travesty of the highest order.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 04:31:41 PM EST
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How does that apply? I'm talking about the ability of customers to open nonresident accounts, not about foreign branches.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 04:50:29 PM EST
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If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.
by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 05:34:24 PM EST
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While we're on the topic of religion...

Polish exorcism boom leads to launch of `Egzorcysta' magazine

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 04:48:28 PM EST
More here.

And a quote:

Ironically, he attributed the rise in demonic possessions in what remains one of Europe's most devoutly Catholic nations partly to the switch from atheist communism to free market capitalism in 1989.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun Sep 16th, 2012 at 05:22:03 PM EST
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Makes sense

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Sep 17th, 2012 at 02:34:49 AM EST
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A tale of three religions.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 17th, 2012 at 03:43:43 AM EST
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I don't understand why the demons bother the Catholics. You would think they they would know about how the priests are going to attack them and do whatever it is that they do to exorcise them, so why not go down the street and possess some hapless atheists?
by asdf on Mon Sep 17th, 2012 at 11:51:24 AM EST
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Not sure if they don't do that. It would explain a lot...
by Katrin on Mon Sep 17th, 2012 at 11:54:08 AM EST
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Available space within atheists is already occupied by many demons. Obviously.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Sep 17th, 2012 at 11:54:13 AM EST
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Hence Scientology. The demons are called thetans.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 17th, 2012 at 02:53:50 PM EST
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It certainly gives an extra meaning to Sven's sig, "you can't be me, I'm taken"

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Sep 17th, 2012 at 12:00:21 PM EST
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Not only that, but my partner-in-communications-crime has just mixed his song entry for the Finnish Eurovision prequels. The song is based on an experience of mine, that I have often repeated now I understand it. It's my basic world POV. I've described it here before...

Sitting alone on the smooth rocks of the shore of one of the outermost islands in the Finnish archipelago. It's 3am on a summer's morning, the sharp sunlight climbing upwards in the sky. The air is clear. I can even see the cranes and sodium lights of Hango harbour 14 miles or more along the coast. The sea is dead calm, just the occasional fish coming up to nip an insect from the surface. The 4 hectare island is surrounded by smaller outcrops of Ice Age-smoothed grey granite in the Baltic. They look like wallowing elephants.

Everything that has fallen into even a handful of nutrients is straining to grow. Storm-twisted pines straddle rocks in their search for water and purchase, or hang precariously from the high rock cliff to my right. At the top of the cliff, a flock of gulls is noisily fighting over something. On my left, on higher ground, is a very old farmhouse from middle Finland - brought here log by log and reassembled. Yes. Finland invented flatpacking long before IKEA.

In that old house and the other houses, my extended family and friends are sleeping. So I'm alone on the rocks, with the sounds and smells and light. The air feels warm. It is a very beautiful moment. And I realise that this same scene, without me, has been playing every summer morning, in some version, since the last glacial ice receded more than 10000 years ago. Whatever it is that is me is present here for a snap of the fingers in earth time, and a possibly uncountably infinitesimal moment of cosmic time. I am totally unimportant in Tellurian measurement.

And yet I feel incredibly privileged to be here. I feel part of it all.

When I die it all ends. And that's OK. All that will remain of me is how others remember me, and maybe a few creative works.

I need no explanations of why we are here. It would be quite nice to know how the cosmos began and how it will end, but it is not relevant to my decision making. I'm just happy to be here. Whatever the cosmos is, it emerged - as we emerge. It and we self-organized. No homunculus needed.

And it's wonderful.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Sep 17th, 2012 at 01:07:29 PM EST
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Apparently the demons were active here this weekend.

A man received a deep cut to his abdomen Sunday afternoon after he tried to avoid arrest by jumping through a plate glass window, according to police. According to police, 48-year-old Jerad Cronin had been earlier involved in a standoff with police at a home at 1026 Westmoreland Road in north Colorado Springs. Police were called to the apartment about 2 p.m. after there were reports that he was attempting to start a fire inside.

When officers arrived, he told police through a locked door that he started a fire to chase away demons.

Police obtained a warrant to enter the apartment and, when they did, Cronin threatened officers with a small shovel before jumping through the window.

http://www.gazette.com/articles/police-144724-window-through.html#ixzz26kKARWNs

by asdf on Mon Sep 17th, 2012 at 12:45:17 PM EST
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