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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 12:02:09 PM EST
Prehistoric Animated Cave Drawings Discovered In France | WebProNews

News out of France concerning Prehistoric cave drawings that were animated by torch-light is taking the art history world by storm, and has overwhelmed this artist to the point of awe.

The cave drawings were found by archaeologist Marc Azema and French artist Florent Rivere, who suggest that Paleolithic artists who lived as long as 30,000 years ago used animation effects on cave walls, which explains the multiple heads and limbs on animals in the drawings. The images look superimposed until flickering torch-light is passed over them, giving them movement and creating a brief animation.

"Lascaux is the cave with the greatest number of cases of split-action movement by superimposition of successive images. Some 20 animals, principally horses, have the head, legs or tail multiplied," Azéma said.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 12:25:54 PM EST
Quite the most remarkable thing I've seen for yonks.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 01:28:59 PM EST
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You know, I've always wanted to ask: what exactly is a yonk?

And why is there so much to see inside one?

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 02:35:17 PM EST
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Yonks - always plural - is English (UK) vernacular meaning 'a long time ago'. I heard it a lot in the Midlands, but I think it is known all over England. Perhaps our learned Englanders, both patriate and ex can help?

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 04:08:19 PM EST
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"For yonks" = "for ages".

Seems to me to be widely used in England, at least.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 04:27:22 PM EST
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The most likely sounding derivation I've seen is that it's a shortened version of "yonkeys dears", a popular spoonerism of donkey's years, from the WWII British army.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 04:48:15 PM EST
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Good discussion here.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 04:54:30 PM EST
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The Who Beatles Sell Out

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 01:57:57 PM EST
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What's Who's next

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 01:59:32 PM EST
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the books I ordered for the brewing course I'll be taking have started arriving thick and fast.

I'm trying to read them but in terms of information, they're somewhat denser than anything I've read since university 30 years back. This is because I have no  background in the subject, even the various IT books I've read were building on established knowledge and thought processes. So I'm having to teach my brain how to process and understand these new sets of ideas, so it's slow going at the moment. I'm hoping I'll speed up in a fortnight or so, but I've got 15 weeks and 12 book

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 01:19:54 PM EST
I would suggest starting a formal notebook right away. First, for note-taking while reading, then second for note-taking while taking the course, third, for recording any experimental data, and fourth, for business plans, phone numbers, etc.,
by asdf on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 02:15:13 PM EST
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Good idea. Fortunately I'm still on the background reading that won't be needed directly and will be reinforced later but I'll sort those out in the next couple of days

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 02:44:59 PM EST
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If you need help on the chem/biochem. I'm in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wp4O7v5320
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 04:18:42 PM EST
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i'm hoping I won't need to know it in detail, but thanks for the offer. I may need help

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 05:24:51 PM EST
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I don't post my email but I see you do yours. I visit the OT fairly regularly so post something for me there and we'll get started when necessary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wp4O7v5320
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 05:51:42 PM EST
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Heinz is going to make a little homebrew soon, and brought home some malts (ordering hops online.) Now the apartment smells like malt, which smells very much like peanut butter to me, and it's divine.

Good luck with your new learning process; keeps the mind from rotting!

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher

by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Wed Sep 19th, 2012 at 12:53:30 AM EST
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Charles Pierce opened an industrial sized can of:

on Romney in his column today.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 03:32:09 PM EST
Exxxxxxxxxcellent!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wp4O7v5320
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 04:26:16 PM EST
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I do likes me some Charles Pierce from time to time.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 04:37:44 PM EST
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chris cook is on max kaiser, as i blog, talking about ETFs.

take it away chris!

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 03:49:33 PM EST
BBC: New thinking on Europe (18 September, 2012)
Some implied that Fresh Start were labouring to produce yesterday's vision of tomorrow - a reform option which might have looked attractive five years ago, but which had now been overtaken by President of the EU Commission Jose Manuel Barroso's call for more federalism, at last week's sitting of the European Parliament.

Others, including the Maastricht veteran, Bill Cash, simply didn't believe that the EU would be prepared to give Britain what it wanted - to which the retort was that the current crisis gave Britain a lot of leverage, and that the EU needed Britain more than Britain needed the EU, so there was plenty of scope for negotiation. There was some interesting tactical advice from the Conservative former cabinet minister, Peter Lilley, who suggested Britain should approach rolling back EU powers in the same way as the Commission approached extending them - with salami tactics.

But he thought the key battle would be to overturn the acquis, the long-standing doctrine that once the EU acquired competence over a policy area, it was never relinquished. If Britain could establish a precedent for clawing back powers, that would enable more powers to be repatriated in future.



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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 04:07:41 PM EST
Job change

-Cambridge

+Oxford

Back to malaria. Going to assemble Anopheles gambiae genomes (the mosquito that is the most important vector for falciparum). Sort a...

by cagatacos on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 04:09:06 PM EST
You've been just up the road in Cambridge ??!!

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 05:21:11 PM EST
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"up the road"? Where are you?
by cagatacos on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 06:04:12 PM EST
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South essex

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Sep 19th, 2012 at 02:44:49 AM EST
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New Scientist: Inferior lizard tails weaken hopes of regrowing limbs (13 September 2012)
Rebecca Fisher of the University of Arizona College of Medicine in Phoenix and her colleagues discovered key anatomical differences when they looked at original and fully regenerated tails in the green anole lizard (Anolis carolinensis), which can "drop" its tail when caught by a predator and later grow another. Running through the new tail, for example, was a single long tube of cartilage rather than the chain link of vertebrae found in the original.

The muscles were different too. In place of shorter, variegated muscle fibres were long muscles stretching from tip to stump (The Anatomical Record, doi.org/jbp).

Both differences suggest that the regenerated tail would be less flexible, says Fisher, because neither the cartilage tube nor the long muscle fibres are capable of the fine control that comes with shorter muscles and lots of small joints between bones. Further functional studies should show what changes these might make to the lizard's agility.

This is very cool, but I almost cannot believe nobody thought of doing an anatomical study of a regrown lizard tail before 2012...

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 04:15:50 PM EST
But I certainly hadn't thought of it.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 04:16:12 PM EST
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I have however noticed that grown-on lizard tails are not as neat and flexible as the original ones.

(Long habit of lizard-watching).

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 04:46:37 PM EST
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Beautiful day. Fall comes to NorCal ... a nip in the air this morning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wp4O7v5320
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 04:28:00 PM EST
All of September to date has been cool and the HIGH for today in Arkansas is 70F! And it won't reach 85 during the next ten days. Looks like it is time to take down the sun screen over my garden, which is doing fine. I have ~20 newly set tomatoes up to an inch in diameter and my peppers are setting fruit like mad. And we have had ~1.5 inches of rain over the last four days. At least the wildfire danger is gone - at least for a time - even if the drought has not yet been broken. At least the pastures are growing a fall crop of grasses.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 04:54:35 PM EST
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It's been trending down for us here, first frosts predicted tonight.

Just picked the last of the courgettes (zucchini - US) and strawberries

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 at 05:23:04 PM EST
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On 972, a defense of Romney's latest "gaffe":
So, it wouldn't far fetched to say that when it comes to talking points on the Middle East, Romney gets his material straight from the top. From Bibi.

That's why I was so jealous of Americans yesterday. They finally heard what Bibi thinks, even if it wasn't exactly him speaking.

In my opinion, this was the money quote, when Romney explained his vision for the future of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict

You hope for some degree of stability, but you recognize that this is going to remain an unsolved problem. We live with that in China and Taiwan. All right, we have a potentially volatile situation but we sort of live with it, and we kick the ball down the field and hope that ultimately, somehow, something will happen and resolve it.
You Americans are lucky. First, you have Bibi just this Sunday talking to all the American morning news shows. I mean, when did the Israeli media ever get a chance to ask their prime minister the tough questions? You guys know more about him than we do!
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Sep 19th, 2012 at 03:05:44 AM EST
Wind industry seems hit pretty hard, and the politics of the moment contain some strong attacks on the industry. Yet, the industry seems strong enough to fight back well.

Loved hearing Trittin call the environmental (excuse for a) Minister Altmeier an Air Bag.

Not much time to write. Net spotty. But it's still a wonder to see the industry in all its glory, and hundreds of friends and colleagues.

Onward.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Wed Sep 19th, 2012 at 04:45:57 AM EST


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