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Wednesday Open Thread

by ceebs Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 11:18:58 AM EST

Weekend approaching at speed, prepare to brake.


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An alien moon, photographed from the surface of an alien world | The Planetary Society

Well, this is a first, as far as I know. And unexpectedly stirring. The image below looks blank at first, a solid greenish gray. But let it fill your screen, and look in the upper right quadrant, and you'll see a bright smudge. At first, the smudge seems familiar: it's a crescent Moon, not quite lost in the bright daytime sky. But look closer at the shape of the Moon and you'll see it's all wrong: its limb isn't hemispherical, it's lumpy; and the terminator (the day-night boundary crossing the Moon's disk) is even lumpier, turning the crescent into an apostrophe.

This isn't our sky, and it isn't our Moon. It's the Martian sky, and that moon is Phobos, spied in the sky near local noon by Curiosity's Mastcam-100.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 11:19:50 AM EST
Approaching at speed ? Hmm, maybe tomorrow, but today we've just gone over the top of the hill.

Bit rainy here in the UK. How's it where everyone else is ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 11:54:35 AM EST
Hasn't stopped raining all day. :(
by Katrin on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 12:03:52 PM EST
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Continuing dampness. Dreary. Approaching winter. "Hyi" - as the Finns say. Roughly translated as 'yuck'.

But managed to slot in some sushi, signed the year's accounts and did a voice for UPM about eucalyptus. I know, I know, you think Sven's been a  naughty boy. But these days I demand to see the text of presenter scripts before agreeing to do any job. This one was kosher. In fact the Finnish forest companies are remarkably humble these days.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 12:11:55 PM EST
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I would think the production company would also prefer you "vet" the script.  Having your presenter think "This is a bunch of bollocks" is difficult to cover.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 01:39:25 PM EST
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Yea, but it's the very "I'm above all this crap" quality that makes Sven so hot

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 01:42:55 PM EST
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Not hot, more death warmed over. I do find, however, that as the oldest person in the room, caressing a silver (well OK, EPNS) handled stick, carrying no paper, nor computer, I can say things in a more direct fashion than in bygone days of greasy pole dancing.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 02:19:09 PM EST
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Monocle? Top hat? Spats?

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by Number 6 on Thu Sep 27th, 2012 at 05:15:49 AM EST
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by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Sep 27th, 2012 at 06:19:15 AM EST
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'spose to be dreary all week, with temps never above low 60's (16 to18.) Euro Tribber Gabriel is coming to visit; I hope the weather gets a little better for him.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Thu Sep 27th, 2012 at 07:57:35 AM EST
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NYT, Quinnipac, and CBS News released a poll of swing states today:

Ohio - Obama +10 (53-43)

Florida - Obama +9 (53-44)

Pennsylvania - Obama +12 (54-42)

MOE: 3%

With these kinds of lead the chances for the Democrats to keep the Senate and take the House also improves.  

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 12:27:38 PM EST
It will be interesting to see how these figures get spun to demonstrate Romney is leading

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 12:51:14 PM EST
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I don't "consume" US mass media so I can't help you with this one.  

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 01:34:06 PM EST
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The national polls of the presidential race remain skewed and this is an issue that remains important for following the political process and truly understanding what is taking place. The Gallup tracking poll, which has been over-sampled Democrats in the past, has released its latest numbers today showing President Obama leading 48 percent to 45 percent for Mitt Romney. But the non-skewed uses a sample weighted by the expected partisan makeup of the electorate, the QStarNews Daily Tracking poll, shows Romney leading over Obama by a 53 percent to 45 percent margin.

http://www.unskewedpolls.com/index.cfm

by asdf on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 01:37:13 PM EST
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Is this feeding the pre-emptive narrative of Obama stealing the election

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 01:08:58 PM EST
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The FundieCons (aka Tea Baggers) are starting to whine and froth about polling bias & etc.  Was only to be expected.  They convinced themselves the election was in the bag and now that Reality is hitting they have entered a period of grief, the first stage of which is Denial.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 01:36:34 PM EST
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I think there will be a problem in that they only ever talk to their echo chambers, so as far as they're concerned everybody hates Obama. So when he wins it won't compute and they'll assume he must have cheated somehow with muslim kenyan jujitsu or something

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 01:41:57 PM EST
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Then let's hope they don't get any ideas.
by Katrin on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 01:42:04 PM EST
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We don't have to worry about that.  They haven't had a new idea since 1797.  :-)

My concern is the Dems will take the House, Senate, and Presidency and recapitulate 2008 to 2010.  

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 01:50:43 PM EST
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Guaranteed. The Dems don't actually want to do anything the repugs disagree with, they just want to blame each other for inaction.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 02:02:47 PM EST
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One good thing that came out of the 2010 election: the Blue Dogs were slaughtered.  They were a major stumbling block in 2008-10.  

A hopeful sign over the past year was Obama's feeble tries over the last year to get some Keynesian stimulus passed.  Another is Reid's statement he will remove the 60 vote majority and other archaic Senate rules if he is Senate Majority Leader.  

And la-dee-dah-dee-dah.

<shrug>

Who knows?

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 02:11:08 PM EST
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The blue dogs were slaughtered, but are the new candidates any good?

All this excitement about Democrats and two houses of congress would seem to be predicated on an unspoken assumption that democrat majority = progressive majority... sorry, wtf?

Don't mind me, I was so massively over-invested in the previous US electoral cycle, with such comprehensively disappointing results, that I just can't bring myself to give a flying one.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Sep 27th, 2012 at 03:30:25 AM EST
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The blue dogs were slaughtered, but are the new candidates any good?

In an ET sense, probably not.  

The big difference between the two parties is the Democrats are slightly in touch with reality whereas the Republicans are out of touch with reality.  

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Thu Sep 27th, 2012 at 10:52:53 AM EST
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and the second stage involves 2nd amendment remedies

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 01:45:43 PM EST
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The NRA should be supporting Obama. He's the best thing to happen for gun shops since, oh, maybe the drug war.
by asdf on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 01:54:02 PM EST
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I am surprised nobody has taken some shots at Obama.  Either nobody has tried - doubtful - or the Secret Service has succeeded in finding and squishing them.  Also, Obama's itinerary has been careful to avoid Teh Krazie states: Mississippi, Alabama, etc.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 02:03:06 PM EST
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Funny you would say that... Crazy Man Alert! Kentucky Man Ran Through An Obama Roadblock With Guns
A man from eastern Kentucky allegedly ran through a roadblock used to secure the President while carrying multiple firearms during President Barack Obama's visit to the Cincinnati region earlier this month.

The suspect, Kerry T. Prater, had three weapons and a "quantity of ammunition" when he ran through an Erlanger police roadblock on Sept. 17, said the Feds.



I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 06:18:49 PM EST
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Is America great or what?  Even the mentally ill can own guns and "large quantities of ammunition."

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 07:28:31 PM EST
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I thought I'd better check the story of Cassie, as this is the first time I've used the word.

Wikipedia: "She is a figure both of the epic tradition and of tragedy, where her combination of deep understanding and powerlessness exemplify the ironic condition of humankind."

Yep. A redhead too. But no mention of anything brewing, except trouble ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 02:54:20 PM EST
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Last heard of dying noisily and painfully during the fall of Troy. Bit before my time, but I've always been a bit inclined towards the "it's all gong to ratshit, but you're not listening" tendency

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 03:07:55 PM EST
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Elder Daughter was a drama major at high school, and the part she played for her Baccalaureat exam was Cassie's "mad scene" from Aeschylus's Agamemnon, where apparently she was riveting. (She's always played that scene real well IRL, too.)

Gag : a friend had set up a laptop with a slide-show of war horrors, to put her in the right mood... but when her cue came, it had flipped into screen-saver mode, with the default Microsoft green rolling hills.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Sep 27th, 2012 at 03:43:40 AM EST
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Time for Teletubbies!


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sapere aude
by Number 6 on Thu Sep 27th, 2012 at 05:20:55 AM EST
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The look on their faces is just so.... satisfying



keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 01:39:04 PM EST
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They need to find a not-Romney. I hear there are a bunch of them all ready to go, with stump speeches and everything...

You know, somebody who is has a strong record, Presidential looks and bearing, and can stand there and pitch the Tea Party theory with a straight face in a way that doesn't piss off 99% of the people who are listening...

by asdf on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 01:58:11 PM EST
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Isn't Joe Scarborough himself planning on running ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 02:01:08 PM EST
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That's the whole revealing story right there. It's the killer. Romney is pathetic, and pathetic people don't get to be President.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 02:32:14 PM EST
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How did he get to be Governor of Massachussetts?

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 02:40:36 PM EST
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Democrats decided to have a faction fight.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 02:52:27 PM EST
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and so the geniuses in the Republican party misdiagnosed this as a man who appealed to democratic voters?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 04:08:23 PM EST
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Wikipedia: Massachusetts gubernatorial election, 2002
O'Brien's campaign was hobbled by the short amount of time between the primary and general election, and by her having exhausted most of her funds by spending $4.5 million to win the nomination. She focused her attacks by portraying Romney as being out of place in Massachusetts. Romney had stumbled earlier in the year by not knowing that "MCAS" stood for the Massachusetts Comprehensive Assessment System of school exams. To soften his image of being rich and privileged and a wealthy corporate buyout specialist out of touch with the needs of regular people - an image that had damaged him in his 1994 U.S. Senate race - a series of "work days" had been staged over the summer, in which Romney performed blue-collar jobs such as herding cows and baling hay, unloading a fishing boat, and hauling garbage. Television ads highlighting the effort, as well as one portraying his family in gushing terms and showing him shirtless, received a poor public response. O'Brien now said in response that "Massachusetts doesn't need a governor who thinks getting in touch with working people is a costume party." She said Romney was "trying to mask a very conservative set of belief systems"; while saying she would not criticize his membership in the LDS Church, she attacked his substantial donations to Brigham Young University, objecting to their bar on expressions of homosexuality. O'Brien came out in support of same-sex marriage. Romney declared support for faith-based initiatives. Romney campaigned as a pro-choice candidate who would protect a woman's right to an abortion, and he rejected the endorsement of Massachusetts Citizens for Life, a pro-life organization.

Romney ran as a political outsider, just as he had in the 1994 U.S. Senate election, and as an agent of change, saying he would "clean up the mess on Beacon Hill." He said he was "not a partisan Republican" but rather a "moderate" with "progressive" views (although John W. Sears and several other state Republicans would later say Romney was from the more conservative side of the Massachusetts party).

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By mid-October, the backfiring television ads had contributed to Romney being behind O'Brien in polls. He rebounded with negative ads that accused O'Brien of being a failed watchdog for state pension fund losses in the stock market, specifically featuring a basset hound sleeping as bad men removed bags of money from the Massachusetts treasury, and that associated her husband, a former lobbyist, with the Enron scandal. Debates held instanced O'Brien attacking Romney repeatedly; he ended up referring to her style as "unbecoming", which engendered criticism that he was insensitive to women.



I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 04:21:52 PM EST
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Let's be honest, in a race where the serious choices were Newt Gingrich, Herman Cain, Rick Perry and the Willard, you'd have to admit he's probably the nearest thing they had to a sane choice.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 04:33:42 PM EST
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Actually it's not the fault of the geniuses in the party that are the problem, it's the primary system that's the problem--and it applies to both sides. In the good old days, a bunch of professional politicians would go into a smoke filled room and decide who had the best chance of winning the election. Regardless of motivation, their purpose was to actually win.

Since the Democratic fiasco in 1968, we have primaries where regular voters decide the candidates. This is a huge disaster because it tends to select for the most extreme on either side. Right now it's working out ok for the Democrats, but that's mostly just luck.

So the Republicans went through this clown parade of Tea Party candidates, none of whom could even pass muster in their own state-by-state process. Romney is not actually so bad, considering what they could have out there. But "not so bad" isn't good enough, is it?

Somebody like Boehner could have tried to fix the mess, but he had already been through the wringer a few times already with the Tea Party and would rather live out his next couple of terms and retire rather than confront the broken-ness of the system.

In any case, get ready for two clown parades in 2016.

by asdf on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 05:22:50 PM EST
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This is a huge disaster because it tends to select for the most extreme on either side.

Am I too young to remember the democratic primary system spitting out an "extreme" candidate?

Von überall könnte das Volk, Urbrut alles Undemokratischen, Zelle des Terrors, über die gewählten Hüter von Wachstum und Wohlstand® kommen. - flatter

by generic on Thu Sep 27th, 2012 at 04:02:42 AM EST
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A black muslim communist socialist atheist Al Queda Manchurian Candidate like Obama perhaps?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Sep 27th, 2012 at 04:51:18 AM EST
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Speaking of Manchurian Candidates... Homeland just won the Emmy...
Homeland is a drama/thriller series developed for American television by Howard Gordon and Alex Gansa and based on the Israeli series Hatufim (English title: Prisoners of War) created by Gideon Raff. The series stars Claire Danes as Carrie Mathison, a Central Intelligence Agency officer and Damian Lewis as Nicholas Brody, a U.S. Marine. Mathison has come to believe that Brody, who was held captive by Al-Qaeda as a prisoner of war, was turned by the enemy and now threatens the United States.


I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 27th, 2012 at 05:02:59 AM EST
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Looks great, but I'll eat my shirt if Obama pulls 53% in Florida.

Ohio I might buy, given that the recovery has been more robust there, and the success of the auto bailout has likely helped Obama quite a bit.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Sep 27th, 2012 at 07:35:53 AM EST
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Picked what are probably the last of the runner beans today. It's not been a good crop generally, I think we've probably had less than half of what we've achieved in previous years.

The slugs had several of the young plants and blackfly are now eating the ones which remain. It hasn't helped that the frame we erected took a battering in a storm and has been in a state of imminent collapse ever since, only held up by the plants

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 12:37:15 PM EST
as usual, some thngs did surprisingly well, and others disappointed, 2 steps forward, 1 back...

pleased to say that i have had excellent luck with these guys. i found 30 beans for sale for E5 2 years ago, planted them and got a good crop, replanted those and got sveral pounds this year, they have adapted to my soil and are producing really well.

i have never seen them in the stores, and i hope eventually to grow some as a cash crop. they seem like they would be fibrous in green state from appearance, but in fact aren't at all, and left to seed and cooked come out delicious, a bit sweet potato-y in flavour.

i don't know why they aren't more popular, i chopped and froze several pounds this year, and enough seed to do a whole field of them next year. not bothered by anything and prodigious producers!


It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 03:01:47 PM EST
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What beanz are these?

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 03:03:35 PM EST
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A bit like black-eyed peas.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 04:24:39 PM EST
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That was my first thought - but as a fairly regular buyer of beans from the wide variety stocked in the multicultural food emporiums of Hämeentie, Helsinki, I can't remember this one.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 04:37:53 PM EST
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yes, not dissimilar.

the white part on the y-y is more ivory than the slight grey of blackeyes, and the brown is more chocolatey coloured. also about 50% bigger...

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 10:02:40 PM EST
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sorry, i should have said, they're called 'yin-yang' or 'calypso' beans. i wonder where thery are indigenous to.

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 05:01:38 PM EST
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You have an amazing athletic talent.  I find it hard to pick beans when they are standing still.

:rimshot:

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 03:25:38 PM EST
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Lots of good Spain stuff!

  http://www.democracynow.org/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wp4O7v5320

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 03:55:28 PM EST
Permalink.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 03:57:27 PM EST
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Where is the Spain of the good things, that I go there?
by PerCLupi on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 11:52:53 PM EST
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Matteo Renzi Pledges Sweeping Change in Italy - SPIEGEL ONLINE
Matteo Renzi is on a crusade to become Italy's next leader. With his calls for wholesale change in the political landscape, the mayor of Florence is generating excitement like few other recent Italian politicians. But his main opposition is coming from the bigwigs in his own party who would also get the boot if he won.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 04:08:03 PM EST
HDRchitecture: Real-time Stereoscopic HDR Imaging for Extreme Dynamic Range Scene
In this demonstration, we present a specialized version of HDR (High Dynamic Range) imaging (use of multiple differently exposed input images for each extended-range output image [2, 1]), adapted for use in electric arc welding, which also shows promise as a general-purpose seeing aid. Tungsten Insert Gas (TIG) welding, in particular, presents an extremely high dynamic range scene (higher than most other welding processes). Since TIG welding requires keen eyesight and exact hand-to-eye coordination (i.e. more skill and more visual acuity than most other welding processes), being able to see in such extreme dynamic range is beneficial to welders and welding inspectors.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 04:46:38 PM EST


Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Wed Sep 26th, 2012 at 09:31:00 PM EST


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