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by Colman Wed Sep 5th, 2012 at 04:18:17 AM EST

In advance of Draghi's important ECB statement tomorrow, Yanus Varofakis posted a piece in which he concludes:

The common currency area is broken. In fact, it is no longer a common currency area but, rather, an area in which the same currency is used. To begin fixing this broken system, without adopting radical measures like those we suggest in the Modest Proposal, the ECB must become the equivalent of the FDIC and the Fed, plus it must work towards turning the EFSF-ESM into Europe’s TARP. At the same time, it must unleash an asymmetrical quantitative easing (QE) program that targets the Periphery, thus restoring the circuits of a proper monetary union.

Unfortunately, the ECB will not be allowed to do any of this, I very much fear. Unless I am very badly mistaken, Mr Draghi’s announcement on 6th September will show that the ECB’s banking supervision role, crucial as it may be, will be undermined by a Germany determined to keep afloat the cosy and unwholesome relationship between Germany’s private banks and German politicians. As for the QE part, the ECB will only be allowed to embark upon such a purchases program in a limited manner; one that buys Europe a little more time during which to continue to stagnate.

The state of the German banks is one of those interesting little time bombs hidden away in the Euro crisis - it seems to me that a lot of what the EU, driven by German demands, has done only makes sense if they're much more vulnerable than they pretend.


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will be undermined by a Germany determined to keep afloat the cosy and unwholesome relationship between Germany's private banks and German politicians.

What does private banks means in this context. There are not many private banks left in Germany. And cosy relationships rather describes german politicians and public sector banks.

You can divide the german baking sector in for parts, accordomg to size:

  1. public banks

  2. mutuals

  3. private nanks foreign owned (unicredito etc)

  4. private banks

  5. is deutsche bank, commerzbank, hre. hre is now federal-owned and has shed it's bad assets to the bad bank.

vulnerable are the bad banks, some state-owned big public sector bank and commerzbank. But commerzbank is a quarter-federal owned anyway.  
by IM on Wed Sep 5th, 2012 at 04:29:35 AM EST
I wonder who abroat it is that the Spanish private sector owes 2 trillion to...

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 5th, 2012 at 04:38:43 AM EST
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BIS, march 2012

http://www.bis.org/publ/qtrpdf/r_qa1209_anx9e_u.pdf

            total   european banks   German banks
Spain Foreign claims  571,519 504,343      139,919
Spain Public sector 76,502 62,594           26,061
Spain Banks 151,277 132,776                  45,921
Spain Non-bank private sector 343,233 308,478 67,937

343 billion foreign bank claims on the spanish private sector, 67 billion to german banks

by IM on Wed Sep 5th, 2012 at 04:52:21 AM EST
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That's just bank claims. There must be also claims on Spain's corporate sector. Either that, or the BBC is way off here.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 5th, 2012 at 04:55:53 AM EST
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banks claims on

<Non-bank private sector>

should include the corporate sector.

Nor included: insurances and non-bank corporate sector.

and the bbc says:

1.9 trillion debt,

131 billion to germany,

112 France

75 billion UK

etc.

That fits.

by IM on Wed Sep 5th, 2012 at 05:06:08 AM EST
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The BBC figures of debt by country are the BIS figures of debt to banks.

The aggregate debt figures are from IMF data, or something.

Se we don't know who outside Spain is owed 1.5 trillion, but it's not banks.

It might be insurers, pension funds, other corporations...

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 5th, 2012 at 05:08:19 AM EST
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the fault line in Germany is between mutuals and public saving banks who oppose baking supervision and especially a shared deposit insurance on the european level. Or rather they oppose it for small banks - that is themselves.

the private banks in Germany oppose this opt-out for their rivals:

http://www.germanbanks.org/press-room/press-releases/association-of-german-banks-against-two-class-s ystem-of-european-banking-supervision

 

by IM on Wed Sep 5th, 2012 at 04:39:58 AM EST
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And the German government opposes taking supervision of small banks to a European regulator presumably because German politicians are indeed in bed with the German regional banks, savings banks and mutuals. Like Varoufakis says.
[i] In a more recent article, again in the Financial Times, Wolfgang Munchau, comments that Mr Schauble is treating the banking union as if it were a means of enhancing competition in the banking sector (thus focusing only on the large banks) - when, the issue at hand, is to supervise their speculative strategies and the extent to which they are hiding deeply entrenched insolvency.


If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 5th, 2012 at 04:45:03 AM EST
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Yes but I don't understand mutuals, public saving banks and state banks when I read "private banks"

The saving banks and mutuals have a lot of public support, too.

by IM on Wed Sep 5th, 2012 at 04:55:08 AM EST
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EU Observer: German savings banks in favour of debt mutualisation (04.09.12)
Germany's co-operative savings banks are in favour ofproposal made by a group of German economists on pooling debt in the eurozone in a "debt redemption fund" for countries whose debt burden is over the EU limit of 60% of GDP, AFP reports. The German government is against it, however.
Gee, I wonder why.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 5th, 2012 at 04:40:23 AM EST
Because it is politically a dead bird. So it can be safely pushed to crowd out other proposals.
by oliver on Wed Sep 5th, 2012 at 04:55:22 PM EST
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The state of the German banks is one of those interesting little time bombs hidden away in the Euro crisis

Yes, we have a problem with systematic insolvency.

US embassy cables: Mervyn King says in March 2008 bailout fund needed | Business | guardian.co.uk

The problem is now not liquidity in the system but rather a question of systemic solvency, Bank of England (BOE) Governor Mervyn King said at a lunch meeting with Treasury Deputy Secretary Robert Kimmitt and Ambassador Tuttle. King said there are two imperatives. First to find ways for banks to avoid the stigma of selling unwanted paper at distressed prices or going to a central bank for assistance. Second to ensure there's a coordinated effort to possibly recapitalize the global banking system.

Afaik, we are still there. Or at least I have assumed so, because despite throwing liquidity at the banks, they have not been recapitalised.

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by A swedish kind of death on Wed Sep 5th, 2012 at 07:52:54 AM EST


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