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by afew Mon Jan 21st, 2013 at 09:59:01 AM EST

A bit earlier, why not?


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Three-day weekend for me.  Nice weekend of eating, drinking, talking, and watching football.  

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Mon Jan 21st, 2013 at 11:00:04 AM EST
The Intertoobs have been picking up on this (on Orange for example), but it's too hilarious/unfunny (you choose) that it has to be posted here.

The WSJ, in a serious piece on fiscal-cliffy changes in the US tax system, offered this infographic:

Look at these regular plain-vanilla Americans, harassed and anxious at the ugly fiscal fate that awaits them. That couple with four children, on only $560,000 a year! The retired minority couple, with only 180 grand to eke out a painful existence (no increase in their taxes, but they're concerned all the same)! The young single woman with only $230,000 to make do on! And that poor single mom with two kids and $260,000 p.a. !

Then look at the investment income that had to be fed in to get the tax increases they're featuring. Reflect on how much capital they own.

The unfunniness is the disconnect with reality at a shop like the WSJ. What level of income are these cretins accustomed to hobnobbing with, that they could consider that here are examples of a cross-section of Middle America? (Median household income in the US is somewhere between $50K and $55K, iirc).

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jan 21st, 2013 at 12:34:00 PM EST
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jan 21st, 2013 at 12:36:05 PM EST
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the WSJ you need a:

[Murdoch Alert]

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot

by ATinNM on Mon Jan 21st, 2013 at 01:06:52 PM EST
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BTW there's now a Special Page listing Macros.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jan 21st, 2013 at 03:13:38 PM EST
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Thanks.  The macros have expanded since I last looked.

Is there a page listing the active TeX notation?  

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot

by ATinNM on Mon Jan 21st, 2013 at 03:16:40 PM EST
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(Read the User Guide, Luke.)

Yes.

A notice they are enabled and a link to MathJax.org.

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot

by ATinNM on Mon Jan 21st, 2013 at 03:19:47 PM EST
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Ok, this looks like a better handy reference for the symbols, glyph, etc. codes.

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot
by ATinNM on Mon Jan 21st, 2013 at 03:42:43 PM EST
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I'm SHOCKED, I tell you, SHOCKED

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jan 21st, 2013 at 03:16:55 PM EST
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afew:
(Median household income in the US is somewhere between $50K and $55K, iirc).

Since I recently followed one of Krugman's links, it is a bit higher.

Tax Foundation has the average in the 40%-50% at 75K and 50-60% at 99K. (Report on changes in total income with Obamacare. Lower 50% are up, upper 50% are down, but in particular 10-30% are up a lot and the cost is mostly born by the top 1%. Krugman says it looks solid.)

He, from the numbers in there I can see that WSJ has indeed covered a particular part of the spectrum. Roughly speaking we have one family in each of the groups 70-80%, 80-90%, 90-95% and 95-99%. All that is missing is a family with a copuple of millions in income and you have the 1% in there too.

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by A swedish kind of death on Mon Jan 21st, 2013 at 06:12:22 PM EST
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But average != median...

A US Census table sets out median incomes for different types of households in 2011.

The overall median is $50,502.

For a married couple with children, $74,392
(WSJ, $560,000)

For a single-mother household, $30,052
(WSJ, $260,000)

For a single young woman, $23,631
(WSJ, $230,000)

African-American household, $33,233
or
Over-65 household, $35,107
(WSJ, $180,000)

The fact is that, to produce examples of a "tax increase burden", the WSJ was obliged to go looking for high multiples of the median income in each case.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2013 at 02:28:36 AM EST
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But the overall median should be between the average in the 40-50% and the 50-60% groups.

Must be different definitions at work or something. Nevermind, the census is the more trustworthy source.

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by A swedish kind of death on Tue Jan 22nd, 2013 at 07:01:22 AM EST
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Sounds like Obama is coming out heavily for same-sex marriage, judging by the inauguration.  References to Stonewall and all kinds of stuff.  Fairly pleased.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Mon Jan 21st, 2013 at 01:40:47 PM EST
Can't assess the speech as I haven't found a transcript, from what others are saying it was as much a call to arms and policy speech as the standard "let's all come together" vacuous nonsense.

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot
by ATinNM on Mon Jan 21st, 2013 at 02:38:36 PM EST
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Yeah, sounds like it was a more aggressive speech than a typical Obama one.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Mon Jan 21st, 2013 at 04:04:05 PM EST
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Booman has it up.

It is more of a fighting speech than usual.

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot

by ATinNM on Mon Jan 21st, 2013 at 06:09:09 PM EST
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There's been a bit of a shift in rhetoric within the press as well, judging by coverage today.  Four years ago, they were obsessed with insisting that the US was center-right.  Now not so much.

Despite Obama being center-right, there seemed to be some shift in the Overton window.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Mon Jan 21st, 2013 at 10:55:52 PM EST
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My only thought ... how bizarre and disgusting it would have been if Willard had won. A vast sea of white guys in suits with briefcases stuffed with cash for bribes. A huge FOR SALE banner streaming in front of the WH.

The good news ... it's only a life sentence. You eventually leave this planet of idiots.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Jan 21st, 2013 at 05:34:27 PM EST
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Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Jan 21st, 2013 at 01:58:54 PM EST
Started re-reading Progress and Poverty.

Forgotten much, including the fact Henry was a long-winded son-of-a-gun.

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot

by ATinNM on Mon Jan 21st, 2013 at 02:30:32 PM EST
I really must install these new roller blinds before the sun starts coming up at 8am. At my length of tooth, any reduction in the regulation 8 hours can have serious consequences.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jan 21st, 2013 at 03:37:50 PM EST
&Spades1

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jan 21st, 2013 at 03:54:04 PM EST
Apologies: an HTMLemmy joke...

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jan 21st, 2013 at 03:55:19 PM EST
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&NoTrump1

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot
by ATinNM on Mon Jan 21st, 2013 at 04:05:43 PM EST
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&spades2 + my sleeve-mounted derringer...

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jan 21st, 2013 at 04:12:40 PM EST
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&Pass &RunAway

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot
by ATinNM on Mon Jan 21st, 2013 at 05:13:04 PM EST
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Obama looks like a Vulcan and Michelle looks like a Romulan today.  Unfortunate choice of hairstyle and coat.
by stevesim on Mon Jan 21st, 2013 at 04:32:27 PM EST


Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot
by ATinNM on Mon Jan 21st, 2013 at 05:14:30 PM EST
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by stevesim on Mon Jan 21st, 2013 at 05:19:16 PM EST
Well, i'm convinced

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2013 at 09:58:26 AM EST
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The good news is that the headache which has been pretty much constant for the last fortnight has gone.

The bad news is that I seem to have replaced it with dizziness.

Is this getting better ? Someone please tell me this is getting better

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2013 at 10:00:10 AM EST
Have you figured out what is the cause of the headache? Migraine? Tension headache?

I am unfortunately rather well versed in the area of headaches, so if I can use that to point you in the right direction it at least is of some use.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Tue Jan 22nd, 2013 at 10:40:48 AM EST
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Well, I mostly put it down to suffering from flu

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2013 at 12:25:09 PM EST
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Ah, flu headache. Yeah, that can usually cause it. If you have had the flu for two weaks I suggest the dizziness could be lack of fluids and/or energy. Chicken soup is a traditional cure (other soups should work just as well, though rigorous double-blind tests are lacking all around).

And that means that yes, it is getting better.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Tue Jan 22nd, 2013 at 02:04:10 PM EST
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