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by afew Thu Jan 24th, 2013 at 11:43:52 AM EST

Nearly Friday


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Helen's Beer Blog is drawing pints.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 24th, 2013 at 11:45:59 AM EST
thank you

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 24th, 2013 at 12:24:23 PM EST
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From an opinion survey

Agree (red)/disagree (green)
First statement : "We need a real chief in France to restore order".
Second statement : "Authority is a value which is too often criticised today".

Absolutely terrifying.

(And alarmingly, the "Greens" constituency, which might be expected to respond in the negative to these two questions, appears to be too small to figure in the result. Alternatively, it was dropped because it didn't fit the narrative. I'll have a look for the raw numbers.)

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Jan 24th, 2013 at 12:01:30 PM EST
Deutscher Rechtsrutsch | Das Blättchen
Ernst genommen haben ihn auch Oliver Decker, Johannes Kies und Elmar Brähler. Die legten zum wiederholten Male - Projektstart war 2002 - im Auftrage der Friedrich-Ebert-Stiftung eine ,,Mitte-Studie" vor: ,,Die Mitte im Umbruch. Rechtsextreme Einstellungen in Deutschland 2012". Die Autoren lassen keinen Zweifel daran, dass sie die innenpolitische Situation der Bundesrepublik als bedrohlich empfinden. Sie stellen fest, dass der Prozentsatz derer, die ,,über ein geschlossenes rechtsextremes Weltbild verfügen" binnen zweier Jahre von 8,2 auf 9 Prozent (in Ostdeutschland auf 15,8) gestiegen sei. Und: ,,Der manifeste und organisierte Rechtsextremismus ist eingebunden in ein breites Umfeld von latentem Rechtsextremismus." Decker/Kies/Brähler sprechen von bis zu 30 Prozent der Befragten. Das ist das quantitative Potenzial der NSDAP am Ende der zwanziger Jahre des vergangenen Jahrhunderts!

A study conducted for the Friedrich-Ebert-Stiftung concluded that 9% of Germans in 2012 have a closed extreme right world-view from a field of up to 30% who share latent extreme right views.

Von überall könnte das Volk, Urbrut alles Undemokratischen, Zelle des Terrors, über die gewählten Hüter von Wachstum und Wohlstand® kommen. - flatter

by generic on Thu Jan 24th, 2013 at 12:18:53 PM EST
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If the questions are that fuzzy, don't look at the answers, look at who is asking the question. Somebody is pushing a message and media buys that opinion polls are "news". Same somebody would not publish the results if the answers had been wrong.

If you want some quality polls on values, then I think World Values Survey is a good starting point.

http://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/wvs/articles/folder_published/article_base_54

The World Values Surveys were designed to provide a comprehensive measurement of all major areas of human concern, from religion to politics to economic and social life and two dimensions dominate the picture: (1) Traditional/ Secular-rational and (2) Survival/Self-expression values. These two dimensions explain more than 70 percent of the cross-national variance in a factor analysis of ten indicators-and each of these dimensions is strongly correlated with scores of other important orientations.

The Traditional/Secular-rational values dimension reflects the contrast between societies in which religion is very important and those in which it is not. A wide range of other orientations are closely linked with this dimension. Societies near the traditional pole emphasize the importance of parent-child ties and deference to authority, along with absolute standards and traditional family values, and reject divorce, abortion, euthanasia, and suicide. These societies have high levels of national pride, and a nationalistic outlook. Societies with secular-rational values have the opposite preferences on all of these topics.

France is about where you could expect, I suppose.

A new wave of polls has been conducted in 2011-2012 but the results are not published.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Thu Jan 24th, 2013 at 01:58:37 PM EST
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Almost missed an opportunity to post Sir Humphrey.



Von überall könnte das Volk, Urbrut alles Undemokratischen, Zelle des Terrors, über die gewählten Hüter von Wachstum und Wohlstand® kommen. - flatter

by generic on Fri Jan 25th, 2013 at 07:56:18 AM EST
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flawless.

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sapere aude
by Number 6 on Fri Jan 25th, 2013 at 08:15:53 AM EST
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look at who is asking the question.

"Do you support what President Bush is doing to fight terrorism?" - Mainly "yes".

People are like small children, most of us want to answer "yes."

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sapere aude

by Number 6 on Fri Jan 25th, 2013 at 08:02:11 AM EST
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That can't be right, it has France in with Catholic Europe.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jan 25th, 2013 at 08:02:21 AM EST
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Not to mention Switzerland, where there are supposed to be more Catholics than Protestants.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Fri Jan 25th, 2013 at 08:04:27 AM EST
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Germany has slightly more Catholics than Protestants.


Netherlands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Currently, Roman Catholicism is the single largest religion of the Netherlands
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jan 25th, 2013 at 08:21:15 AM EST
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Switzerland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Switzerland, divided between the Catholic Church (38.8% of the population) and various Protestant denominations (30.9%)
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jan 25th, 2013 at 08:30:19 AM EST
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From which Ireland has escaped on grounds of not speaking Gaelic.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jan 25th, 2013 at 08:11:26 AM EST
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A swedish kind of death:
look at who is asking the question

I'd agree in general. In this case, the poll is by Ipsos for Le Monde, the CEVIPOF (Political Research Centre of Sciences Po, a genuine research outfit affiliated to the National Scientific Research Centre CNRS), and the PS think-tank Fondation Jean-Jaurès. It's a new "barometre" ie a poll which will be regularly repeated. A priori, I don't see a narrative-seeking hit job.

OTOH, it's an online poll, which I think tends to give respondees more freedom to out their politically incorrect views. And some of the questions at least are leading. May diary that if I have time.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jan 25th, 2013 at 08:24:45 AM EST
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Hey, look, the UMP is worse than the Front National...

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 24th, 2013 at 05:12:57 PM EST
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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 24th, 2013 at 05:11:56 PM EST
Boing Boing

The German Herald reports that men serving in the elite Wachbataillon unit of the German army are developing breasts on their left pectorals. A doctor who is treating the men says that their trademark close-order drill is at fault, as it has the men repeatedly, violently slamming their guns into the left side of their chest, stimulating mammary growth.

The condition - called one sided gynecomastia - has been diagnosed in 74 per cent of battalion members who presented to army medics with concerns over the growths.



It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Fri Jan 25th, 2013 at 07:55:48 AM EST


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