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by afew Fri Jan 25th, 2013 at 10:37:11 AM EST
Drat. I shall attempt to identify the dead kit when I'm more with it. keep to the Fen Causeway
So, in my idiot way I'm gonna throw out a few ideas about what "influential" might be and a few albums which exemplify that and see where we go. It might at least keep footfall up tonight
Influential to me implies that the album is a game changer, not necessarily for the whole of youth but, down the line, people look back and say, it started with that.
Sadly my knowledge of pop starts with the Beatles, so I'm in no position to comment on 50s rock and roll. But certain moments, and singles, are surely pivotal
Elvis "That's all right, mama"
Little Richard "Tutti Frutti"
Chuck Berry "Johnny B Goode"
Eddie Cochrane "Summertime blues"
But they're singles, not albums.
The first Beatles album has to be in, they changed the world, it changed the world.
The first Dylan album. As above.
I'm gonna let other people argue about whether Dylan's "Bringing it all back home" should feature instead of Highway 61 revisited" I just don't know. anyway, Dylan goes electic and folkies all over the world have heart attack
Revolver by the Beatles. I doubt it was the first psychedelic album, but it was the first to be a worldwide smash and spread the message.
Piper at the Gates of Dawn by Pink floyd. not the first, but the most pure distillation of British psychedelia ever recorded. It is the source many return to.
Led Zeppelin II. It was, and always will be, the definitive statement. Much copied, never remotely equaled.
Bowie Space Oddity. Created bowie the artist and his use of makeup and attitude created waves which fetched up Roxy Music as well as many New Wavs artists a decade later
Right, thats the 60s. I'm doing a post for the 70s but have at it keep to the Fen Causeway
Bowie The berlin trilogy. Other better writers have tried to match their majesty and failed. So I'm not gonna try.
Ramones, the Ramones. The first punk record.
Dr Feelgood Down by the Jetty. Influenced both the developing London and NYC puck scenes
Kraftwerk Trans Europe Express. The source for House music. All of it keep to the Fen Causeway
Invented 80 hair metal. Without this albums, GnR, slayer and a hundred other bands you wished had never existed, wouldn't have existed keep to the Fen Causeway
And nothing from Lee scratch perry, or King Tubby
so add in King tubby meets Rockers Uptown,
and The Upsetters (Perry's house band) Super Ape. Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
Velvet Underground. Eno was probably right when he said that hardly anyone bought their first album, but everyone who did formed a band. Scads of late 70s early 80s illuminaries reference it keep to the Fen Causeway
'sgt pepper'...beatles
'astral weeks', 'moondance'...van morrison
'blonde on blonde', 'planet waves', 'freewheelin', 'highway 51 revisited'... dylan
'after the goldrush', 'harvest'...neil young
'electric ladyland'...hendrix
'sticky fingers', 'beggars' banquet', 'sat maj request'... stones
'bluesbreakers'....john mayall It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter
Another twosome hard to separate is Bringing It All Back Home and Highway 61 Revisited.
You're right that Revolver was the most influential Beatles' album, it was practically the opening statement of the "concept album" concept.
The Who, My Generation (?)
Agree with melo on The Band's Big Pink, Hendrix' Electric Ladyland, Neil Young's After The Goldrush.
Velvets were very "influential", so I'd probably pick The Velvet Underground & Nico.
The Piper at the Gates of Dawn or Saucerful of Secrets for the Floyd.
It's not only that I like songs with words, but I think a new style of singer/songwriter music began in the 60s, and I'd probably pick Leonard Cohen's Songs From a Room as a starter.
I'll probably think of more, but not for now.
I don't know how you measure 'influential'. Most sold, most copied, most publicized, most fan mail? Who gets the 'That's All Right" credit - Elvis or Arthur Crudup?
I prefer to think of musical influences not as samples, but as good old analogue rivers of connections flowing down through time. You can't be me, I'm taken
Sixties & Seventies:
Eighties:
Nineties:
2000s:
Seventies:
...and surely several more I forgot. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
The late beatles albums might have contributed a riff to Liam Gallagher's Oasis career but, it terms of forging a new pathway, their bolt as shot with Sgt Pepper. And to be honest I have similar reservations about most of those, best albums by the artists, but influential ? dunno. keep to the Fen Causeway
and it's all influential if you're looking at chart sales. and probably only US chart sales at that, but there are piles of rare records that you find people know of
Stiff Little Fingers' `Inflammable Material' was the first album put out by Rough Trade, which isn't important in itself, although was the first inipendent record to sell over 100,000 copies, but enabled the distribution net that allowed people like factory records and 2-tone and many others to get to market.
other bands that you'd see as influential are strangely missing, Nirvana's nevermind is in the list, but for truly influential album of the time you'd instead need to look at the Pixies 2Surfer Rosa" or "Doolittle" or Sonic Youths "Daydream Nation" and if you're looking at UK music influences, the terribly underrated Cardicas are missing "a little man and the whole wold window" or if you're willing to go to video then "maresnest" which is one of the best live concert videos ever. Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
In the same vein, there is a difference between influential and pioneering. An album only the select few listened to may not have been the one to inspire other musicians, much less the British-American youth of the time in general, even less elsewhere. For example, I discovered the pre-Invisible Touch Genesis only in the nineties, and didn't remember hearing any of it on the radio as a kid.
There is also the issue of whether an artist's biggest musical influence was through an entire album or some singles (with only harcore fans knowing the rest of the pioneering album). I knew singles of virtually all artists on my list from albums preceding the one I listed.
Regarding the Beatles albums, having been born after they dissolved, I can't know what kind of impact and influence each had on contemporaries, so I find it interesting that both you and afew named Revolver as their most influential. (For me, The White Album was always the Beatles album, and Abbey Road the symbol of the end of the sixties and the start of seventies introspection, while Revolver still had traces of fifties rock.) *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
Oasis was tolerable. I never minded when the owner of earlier mentioned establishment put on Morning Glory. But Nirvana rocks.
I haven't singled out one or two, but albums from that period have to be hugely influential on the development of modern music.
Of course, we've also skipped jimmy Rodgers and Hank Williams, who laid the foundation to singer-songwriter era. And Duke Ellington has to be in there somewhere.
time to sleep. "Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
My son calls me to come down to the studio, something i need to hear. Turns out it's (in his opinion) the first time the blues has been integrated into a house beat. I had to agree. (This was way before St. Germain became famous.)
The son then says, "can you believe it, the French can't rock at all, but it's a frenchman who gets this done the first time, wow."
I've been a St. Germain fan ever since. "Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
A lot of the albums on the list are by white people who diluted black influence with white culture and took it into the white commercial mainstream.
Finnish progressive band Wigwam was about to record at the Manor for Virgin. Simon Draper arranged a celebratory lunch and Mr Wray turned up for some reason never explained. Most of the band were there and, being Finns, would never look at an open bar bill without a sense of challenge. The restaurant was playing a Latin music track quite loud and our table became so percussively inspired that everyone used their cutlery to tap out complex rhythms on the edge of the table - and items upon the table.
Enthusiasm can dig deep into the edge of a refectory table. But we were taking it back two centuries.
The Maître D. had that certain haunted look when a valued client causes trouble. "Oooh MISTER Draper! How naissa you have the fun!"
Mr Wray continued to be inscrutable behind shades. He had that mysterious triumphal look of a hypnotist who'd got an entire audience to cluck like chickens. I liked him. You can't be me, I'm taken
US pop legend Tina Turner, who has been living in Switzerland since 1995, will soon receive Swiss citizenship and will give up her US passport, Swiss media reported Friday.
What surprised me was just how hypocritical and distortive the modern Southern myth of Lincoln's dublicity is. (A myth I encountered argued frequently on web forums and believed to be at least partly true.) I mean:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo53.html
I also found this essay on Lincoln's railroad cases, written by a law and history professor. It also includes this part:
It is important to keep Lincoln's representation of railroads in perspective. In fact, Lincoln also regularly brought suit against railroads on behalf of individual clients. He instituted actions against carriers for nonpayment of supplies and for assessment of damages when land was taken by eminent domain.
...after several examples, this sections ends with the conclusion:
By the same token, it is an exaggeration to conclude, as historian Edward Pessen has done, that Lincoln was an "attorney for banks, insurance companies, gas companies, large mercantile firms, and manufacturers." It is at best only partially accurate to present Lincoln as a corporate attorney. Although he represented railroads and businesses, he also sued them. As another historian has pointed out, Lincoln "still took business as it came, and opposed the corporate interests as often as he represented them." This leads to the question of whether Lincoln was in fact a hired gun. Perhaps the last word on this point should go to Lincoln's longtime legal partner, Herndon, who accurately declared that Lincoln was "purely and entirely a case lawyer."
http://www.telegram.com/article/20130121/NEWS/101219962/-1/NEWS04
The Southern Poverty Law Center considers DiLorenzo one of the most important intellectuals "who form the core of the modern neo-Confederate movement." They believe DiLorenzo's depiction of president Abraham Lincoln paints Lincoln as a "paragon of wickedness, a man secretly intent on destroying states' rights and building a massive federal government."[11]
And you are surprised in what way ? keep to the Fen Causeway
When it comes to Lincoln I think it is pretty clear that he was an opponent of slavery that ran as a moderate (ie without intent to do much about it) that got the opportunity to abolish slavery by the actions of the Confederacy.
Speaking of the Confederacy and slavery. Years ago I read (in what I remmeber as a credible book) that at the end of the war the Davis administration had a plan to bolster the army by giving freedom to slaves that fought for the Confederacy. Far as I remember it did not amount to any troops on the ground, but when I tried to check the details of it I just ran into lots and lots of pro-Confederate pages without substance. So does this ring a bell for anyone here? A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!
But he was put down because the war wuold then have lost it's purpose.
Two or three months before the end of the war Jefferson Davies and his cabinet then relented and introduced this possibility, but there was sparse practical application.
Slavery in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In spite of the South's shortage of manpower, until 1865, most Southern leaders opposed arming slaves as soldiers. However, a few Confederates discussed arming slaves, and some free blacks had offered to fight for the South. Finally in early 1865 General Robert E. Lee said black soldiers were essential, and legislation was passed. The first black units were in training when the war ended in April.[102]
Alterdestiny: Book Review: Bruce Levine, Confederate Emancipation: Southern Plans to Free and Arm Slaves during the Civil War
Levine also usefully discusses the origins of the Lost Cause myth. He shows that it started immediately after the war. Jefferson Davis and Alexander Stephens denied that slavery had anything to do with the war. As early as 1867, ex-slaveholders started invoking the myth that they got along beautifully with blacks before the war and that race relations would have processed dandily had the North not interfered. That continued for a century, promoted by Confederate sympathizers in the decades after the war. By the 1890s, the new historical profession, led by people who fully imbibed in the pro-Confederate ideas of the time, placed these ideas in their books, creating the historical narrative for race relations and the Civil War until the 1960s
Also, at this rate I can afford both making rent and going to the meetup this year. So there's that.
- Jake If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.
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