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Shrapnel Damage of Cockpit MH-17 Devastating

by Oui Wed Jul 23rd, 2014 at 02:37:53 PM EST

Pretty devastating footage, the missile warhead with fragmentation shrapnel must have exploded right underneath cockpit at front side of plane - photo.  [port front of cockpit = left side]

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Crash site in Donetsk district near village of Shakhtars'k

This is a Malaysian Boeing 777 at Schiphol airport.

Posted earlier @MoA - No Evidence - Administration's MH17 Case Against Russia Falls Apart.

Interesting, FT Europe explains photo thus: MH17 crash: FT photo shows signs of damage from missile strike.

A Buk missile is with proximity fuse, gets within 30 meters of target and triggers a high fragmentation explosive. Another missile in Ukrainian possession is the S-300 which does most damage as it explodes upon impact. This will destroy the plane just about instantly with no chance of survival. A few days earlier, the anti-Kiev forces downed an Antonov military transport plane. Eight crew members bailed out to safety with a parachute. Quite a difference. The two recorders can provide substantial data to verify what happened in milliseconds after impact.

The Dutch take over the crash investigation of shot-down Malaysia Airlines flight MH 17

(WAN) - The Dutch Safety Board [OvV - Onderzoeksraad voor Veiligheid] took over formal responsibility for the air crash investigation from Ukraine yesterday evening (July 22). The two black boxes have since arrived in the United Kingdom [Farnborough], where they are currently being read out and analyzed by a team of international specialists. The on-site investigation in Ukraine is currently in full swing. Although investigators still do not have safe access to the crash site, work to gather and analyse data from various sources is underway in bothKiev and the Netherlands.

The first priorities will be to gather information from the crash site, analyse the black boxes and coordinate the international team. Ultimately, the air crash investigation should offer victims families and the international community a clear and comprehensive overview of the causes and course of the crash.

With the Dutch Safety Board now heading the investigation, the international investigation team will have more freedom to go about its tasks unhindered. The Dutch Safety Board is also responsible for coordinating all participating investigators and investigation teams from the countries involved (Ukraine, Malaysia, Australia, Germany, the United States, the United Kingdom and Russia) and the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO). The international team currently consists of 24 investigators. A total of four Dutch Safety Board investigators are currently operating inUkraine.

OvV presentation: Turkish Airways Boeing 737-800 crash at Schiphol Airport Amsterdam - 2009 [pdf]


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Rebel commander Alexander Khodakovsky of the so-called Vostok battalion - or eastern battalion - speaks during an interview in Donetsk

Rebel commander Alexander Khodakovsky of the so-called Vostok battalion - or eastern battalion - speaks during an interview in Donetsk, July 8, 2014. Ukraine's government kept up military pressure against pro-Russian rebels, threatening them with an "nasty surprise", while the militants said they were preparing to fight back after losing their main stronghold. The rebels' loss of Slaviansk marks a major breakthrough in Kiev's three-month long fight.

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Alexander Khodakovsky during interview

[Source: Reuters - Tue, 8 Jul 2014 15:40 PM]

PS Mind you, this article is written by Andrew Bowen in The Interpreter. I covered this anti-Russian propaganda blog several momths ago - Found out shill-reporting for Russian oligarchs at Big Orange and US websites.

by Oui on Wed Jul 23rd, 2014 at 04:55:57 PM EST


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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2014 at 05:12:08 PM EST
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The Reuters lede:

Ukraine rebel commander acknowledges fighters had BUK missile   by Anton Zverev

A powerful Ukrainian rebel leader has confirmed that pro-Russian separatists had anti-aircraft missiles of the type Washington says were used to shoot down Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.

In an interview with Reuters, Alexander Khodakovsky, commander of the Vostok Battalion, acknowledged for the first time since the airliner was brought down in eastern Ukraine on Thursday that the rebels did possess the BUK missile system.

He also indicated that the BUK may have originated in Russia and could have been sent back to remove proof of its presence.

Ukraine: Reuters Interviews Benedict Arnold: "Rebels Had BUK, Downed MH17"

(MoA) - Reuters is currently running a sensational story headlined Exclusive: Ukraine rebel commander acknowledges fighters had BUK missile". There is a big problem with the story. The man in question is not a "rebel commander" and had recently changed sides. He is the Ukrainian Benedict Arnold. About a week ago the federalists had removed him (and a few others) from all positions because they had secretly tried to give control of Donetsk to the coup-government.

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Despite that denial it had been long acknowledged that the Vostok Battalion Khodakovsky was once leading was founded and paid for by the east-Ukrainian oligarch Akhmetov.

Akhmetov has made a deal with Kiev, changed his stand and turned against the federalist.

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Rinat Akhmetov, the country's richest man, who has long run the Donbass region like his own feudal estate, has made his choice.

In July some parts of the federalists in Donetsk, those alligned with Ahkmetov, started an internal coup against the federalists. They made a secret deal with the coup-government and where about to give up control over Donetsk. Shortly thereafter that whole groups was purged. The (long) internal story behind this is available here, On Political Perspectives of Novorossia, and one core fact, which Reuters does not mention, is this:

    The failure of the "defeatist party" with the surrender of Donetsk (currently effectively all involved are removed from any meaningful political levers in the DPR - Lukyanchenko, Khodakovsky, Pozhidayev - there is also currently unconfirmed information about the possible resignation of Mr. Pushilin) didn't lead to their extinction. ...
Khodakovsky and the others no longer belong to the federalists. They no longer hold federalist positions. Khodakovsky allegedly fled. They have (together with the oligarch Akhmetov) changed sides and made their deal with Kiev.
by Oui on Wed Jul 23rd, 2014 at 07:37:06 PM EST
You keep making these separate diaries, but all you post is repetitive link-spam and huge quotes in clear violation of standing law and convention on the legitimate use of other people's writing.

All that would be, if not reasonable, then at least understandable, were you to furnish the reader with some sort of insight into the thought process that went into selecting these particular quotes, the ways in which they complement each other, and what conclusions the reader could draw from the collective presentation which was not available from each individual picture.

You provide none of this.

Making a collage of other people's work with no clear intellectual input of your own remains plagiarism, even if all the individual elements are bracketed in quote marks.

The site has a feature for linking to news stories, and policies regarding the posting of off-site material. While we're on the subject of policies, you may want to brush up on the editorial position on the subject of conspiracy theories.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2014 at 01:27:49 AM EST
Kiev Ukraine News Blog

DNIPROPETROVSK, Ukraine -- Leaning over a map of eastern Ukraine on his desk, Gennady Korban gripped a ballpoint pen and drew a squiggling blue line down its center.

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Earlier this month, he announced a plan to build a 1,200-mile electrified fence spanning the border of Russia and Ukraine.

But critics question Mr. Kolomoisky's motives, pointing out that he and other oligarchs in Ukraine may have more financial than altruistic reasons for maintaining the status quo.

For years now, critics say, the oligarchs' powerful influence over many industries have blocked economic reforms in a country that has one of Europe's lowest average per capita incomes.

"These are precisely the opposite of the sorts of people would you want to appoint" as governors, said Mark Kramer, professor of Cold War studies at Harvard University.

"It's hard for me to see why those who fought for change in Ukraine would want such people in charge."

To oversee military operations, Mr. Kolomoisky appointed Mr. Korban, who describes himself as a conflict manager in hostile corporate takeovers.

by Oui on Thu Jul 24th, 2014 at 04:11:05 AM EST
The Netherlands has taken the lead in the investigation searching for forensic evidence in the downing of Malaysia Air flight MH-17 one week ago. Who are presently in the Donetsk region participating in the search? Malaysians, the international OSCE, Australians, locals, and a lot of international correspondents and tv/radio teams, but NO DUTCH!

I just watched a news item filmed at the crash site (35 km²). The interviewer asked the search groups for their impression. All admitted they were free to travel all over the area, and there seems to be no danger in the warzone. The anti-Kiev rebel groups do provide guards for security of the international group. While filming, the Dutch reporters heard loud explosions. The guards responded: "Grads, grads. Those are grads rockets launched by Ukrainian forces towards Donetsk.

Where there forensic experts present? No, there were three Dutch experts but they left with the train and refrigerated wagons carrying the body bags.

The Dutch say it isn't safe to be at the crash site right now, how to you experience security? The OSCE observer said it was a bit tricky the first days, now we get all cooperation needed and with these heavily armed guards we feel safe. Others are agitated that after seven days the Dutch aren't here with their experts to take the lead.

A Malaysian spokesperson mentioned Malaysia is an unaligned nation and takes no position in any and all conflicts. We are able to talk to all sides, also with the regional governor representing the rebels. The Dutch have done it 'officially' communicating through the junta regime in Kiev.

Foreign Minister Timmermans must have the best relationship with Kiev as he joined the EU representatives, US members of Congress and Vicky Nuland in their partnership on Maidan Square with the opposition to the elected government of Ukraine under Yahnukovich.

I watched PM Mark Rutte at a press conference promising to send a group of forensic experts as follows in consecutive days: 3 - 7 - 7 - 7 accompanied by a total od 40 unarmed military police, the Marechausee.

So, please Mark, get a hold on yourself and don't complain to president Putin that Russia needs to do more as Washington is apparently ordering you to say. Get grips and tell the EU leaders you got cold feet and left the bodies of the victims in the fields of Shakhtars'k.

Today the searchers found the largest single piece of the fusilage in a wooded area with the windows still intact. One week after the crash, the first to witness this part of the immense crash site.

Dutch PM: 'disgusting' behaviour at MH17 crash site

by Oui on Thu Jul 24th, 2014 at 09:52:41 PM EST
This is a good development, these persons are professionals, not to be influenced by European politics ... at least I think so!

Eurojust coordination meeting: investigations into Flight MH17

Due to the crash of Flight MH17 on 17 July in Ukraine, a criminal investigation has commenced by Ukrainian, Dutch, Australian, American and Malaysian investigators. A member of the Dutch Public Prosecution Service is in Ukraine to be present during the investigation. In the Netherlands, a forensic investigation is being conducted with the participation of experts from different countries.

The Dutch Public Prosecution Service has started the coordination of international cooperation, and requested the assistance of Eurojust in arranging today's coordination meeting. Eurojust is the EU's judicial coordination and cooperation agency. Its mandate is to facilitate the coordination and cooperation of the Member States, and it can also invite countries from outside the European Union to participate in coordination meetings to plan strategies in fighting serious organised crime.

At today's meeting, chaired by Mr Han Moraal, National Member for the Netherlands at Eurojust, representatives of the 11 countries whose citizens are victims - the Netherlands, Australia, Malaysia, UK, Belgium, Germany, the Philippines, Canada, New Zealand, Indonesia and the USA - in addition to Ukraine, Europol and Interpol, were present.

The goal of today's meeting at Eurojust was to discuss cooperation and ways of broadening and accelerating the investigations, including the establishment of a Joint Investigation Team (JIT). The JIT will focus first on the technical and forensic investigation in Ukraine, the location of the criminal offence.

by Oui on Mon Jul 28th, 2014 at 05:13:18 PM EST


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