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Open Thread 16 - 22 April

by Bjinse Wed Apr 11th, 2018 at 08:24:45 PM EST

It's the glory of the thread that has turned my head


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Defending the free press is deadly important.
by generic on Thu Apr 12th, 2018 at 03:29:06 PM EST
The Atlantic: Jeffrey Goldberg and Kevin Williamson

Both Jeffrey Goldberg, elevated a little over a year ago to managing editor of The Atlantic, and his predecessor and mentor, James Bennet, now the NY Times op-ed page editor, have embarked on a process of normalizing the alt-right, via hiring its devotés to grace their respective pages.

The latest instance is Goldberg's hiring of the deeply misogynist, Kevin Williamson.  In the pages of The National Review and his own tweets he's advocated the execution (by hanging) of any woman who's ever had an abortion and the doctors and nurses who performed them. He also once likened a 9 year-old African-American boy to a "primate."

Progressive America slowly losing the political fight ... corporate power on the rise.

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Thu Apr 12th, 2018 at 09:05:59 PM EST
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If the Atlantic is part of Progressive America, then it would never consider hiring such a person. That they have done so demonstrates that they were only ever masquerading as on our side, a fair weather friend at best, a quisling revealed most likely

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Apr 13th, 2018 at 01:49:06 PM EST
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Stonekettle Station FB - Jim Wright - Where's our "Thank you America?"

In which Jim Wright comes to suspect that, under this administration, there is no plan....for anything. Ever.

Where's our "Thank you America?"

Or in other words: We blew up your country. We didn't have a plan for afterward, we just sort of thought democracy would kind of maybe sort of spring from the rubble or something something gazpacho. Predictably, what we got instead was a failed state, which led directly to a terrorist state, which led to blood and chaos and horror. So we blew that up too. It's nearly 20 years later, more than a million people are dead, the country we liberated is still in ruins, the violence has spread into the surrounding region, we still don't have a plan or a way out or any idea of what to do next -- except blow more shit up. Thank us, you ungrateful bastards. Thank us!

Where's our thank you?

Goddamn, this guy. ......



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Apr 13th, 2018 at 01:46:27 PM EST
I know, I know, Tucker Carlson talking sense is one of the most portentous of omens for the coming Apocalypse; you know the score, rivers flowing with blood and talking frogs.

BUT....he's right on this one.
And Kermit agrees with me



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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Apr 13th, 2018 at 02:27:25 PM EST
by generic on Wed Apr 18th, 2018 at 01:52:32 AM EST
that stage where everybody thinks that to become "disruptive" in the market place you need some sort of passive-aggressive "don't tread on me" mission statement on your product.

Stone Brewery did it in the early noughties in the USA. BrewDog did the same thing in the late noughties in the UK. Now, half the new breweries in the UK seem to be putting some daft "fuck capitalism, please buy our beer" BS on their product.

So, it now goes onto "energy" drinks, aka excessive sugar and dnagerous levels of taurine.

S I G H

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Apr 18th, 2018 at 05:45:31 PM EST
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by generic on Wed Apr 18th, 2018 at 07:59:59 AM EST
Dan Hodges is just a neocon wannabe 20 years past his sell-by date. Which means he's perfectly ripe for his perch at the Daily Mail.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Apr 18th, 2018 at 05:49:12 PM EST
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Religion as an Exchange System: The Interchangeability of God and Government in a Provider Role
An exchange model of religion implies that if a secular entity such as government provides what people need, they will be less likely to seek help from supernatural entities. Controlling for quality of life and income inequality (Gini), we found that better government services were related to lower religiosity among countries (Study 1) and states in the United States (Study 2). Study 2 also showed that during 2008-2013, better government services in a specific year predicted lower religiosity 1 to 2 years later. In both studies, a combination of better government services and quality of life was related to a particularly low level of religiosity. Among countries, government services moderated the relation between religiosity and two measures of well-being, such that religiosity was related to greater well-being only when government services were low.

by das monde on Wed Apr 18th, 2018 at 01:41:53 PM EST
Feeling Is Believing: Inspiration Encourages Belief in God
Being inspired by someone or something (but not inspired to do something) offers a spiritually transcendent experience that elevates belief in God, in part because it makes people feel connected to something beyond themselves.
Did they include any progressives in the study?
by das monde on Wed Apr 18th, 2018 at 01:47:12 PM EST
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Well, some progressives are easily impressed (by people or ideas). They tend to regress, become dogmatic followers, i.e. practise religion under another name.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Fri Apr 20th, 2018 at 04:59:31 PM EST
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Many are discussing (and disparaging) the Evangelical's relationship with Trump.

But this is a comment from a thread a while back, worth reading in full

Balloon Juice - Frankensteinbeck - Open thread

To continue that, this is not an observation of evangelical politics. I have lived among these people most of my life. They don't know anything about their own religion. They know buzzwords and the attitudes they are told to believe, partly by their preacher, more by the bouncing around of their congregation's attitudes. They read the bible every day, and it's like that Far Side cartoon with what dogs her, `blah blah blah chosen of god blah blah blah men who lie with men should be stoned.' They are clannish to an extent it's difficult to imagine, often even rejecting other white evangelicals who don't go to the same church. Fear, hatred, and contempt for blacks is woven into the bedrock of their attitudes. Fear, hatred, and contempt for everyone who isn't exactly like them is waiting right on the surface.

Women and children are property, and the deeper you get the more literal that is. They believe that it is offensive and immoral in the extreme for anyone to tell them what they can't do with their wives and children. Since daughters are suitable only to be married, every attempt is made to keep them ignorant of sex (even its existence, although they usually know they'll fail), and you don't have to get very deep into the culture before they disapprove of educating girls and want them married as early as possible.

The moral mood of the religion centers around self-righteousness. Not doing the right thing, but them being right and everyone else being wrong. They don't give a damn about fetuses, but by yelling about abortion they can write off everyone who disagrees with them as baby killers, justify being sadistic shits to women in the process, and remind each other constantly what irresponsible rutting animals black women are. How much they mind a man committing adultery varies, but what is invariable is that they themselves have a free pass while it's proof positive of anyone they don't like's failure. The misogyny is thick, and the women are if anything more misogynistic than the men. Women both have no sexual agency, and are to blame for all sexual misconduct.

Their way of life is under attack, respected less every day and has been under siege since desegregation by a federal government that disapproves of the horrible abuse they feel it's their literally god-given right to inflict on anyone in their power. Already suspicious of science, this has driven them to a furious hatred of facts, of the whole idea that there is any kind of truth except what they want to believe. Living among them and not passing their incredibly superficial muster is Hell. I have been on both sides of it, as a white male who is naturally nonconformist. Trump doesn't say the word Jesus enough, but they will give him a pass forever because he shares their beliefs perfectly.



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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Apr 22nd, 2018 at 07:39:42 PM EST
by generic on Mon Apr 23rd, 2018 at 02:00:36 AM EST
Article in NY Mag - Feb. 5, 2016 ...

Why Liberals Should Support a Trump Republican Nomination

Complete illusion Trump could win the GOP nomination ... unthinkable he would beat any Democratic candidate. Unless her name is ....

Sure, Putin Did It!

A nice NATO propaganda slogan ... and it's working too!

Interview Nieuwsuur of SG Stoltenberg. Questions put forth about Jaap de Hoop Scheffers' mea culpa.

Famously, former US Ambassador to NATO Ivo Daalder explained the new strategy towards Russia in a speech before the Atlantic Council: "Making Russia a pariah state." [Source: here]

Jens Stoltenberg, what a bs coming from his mouth during the interview ...


Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Mon Apr 23rd, 2018 at 03:52:19 PM EST
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by generic on Mon Apr 23rd, 2018 at 05:40:40 AM EST
by das monde on Mon Apr 23rd, 2018 at 09:19:34 AM EST
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"Oh wow, it was painted in 1642, and spent most of it's life covered in really dark varnish. Weird."
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Apr 23rd, 2018 at 11:03:54 AM EST
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wiki

A figure known as "the satan" first appears in the Tanakh as a heavenly prosecutor, a member of the sons of God subordinate to Yahweh, who prosecutes the nation of Judah in the heavenly court and tests the loyalty of Yahweh's followers by forcing them to suffer.
by generic on Mon Apr 23rd, 2018 at 05:51:40 AM EST


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