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Stop Blair viral - Update #4

by Nomad Thu Feb 14th, 2008 at 11:09:41 AM EST

In past Sunday's Open Thread, nanne and I have been hammering out a first draft of an e-mail message to urge people to sign the Stop Blair petition. Once set up, this email can be distributed to friends, family or anyone interested and if the idea catches, the snowball may continue once we've given it the first push...

linca has urged us to keep the translations of such an effort centralized: I'd want to use this diary as a platform to see if we can get translations for the major EU languages. Or preferably available in all the 15(!) languages of the petition.

Update [2008-2-12 14:33:29 by Nomad]: I put the refitted English version by nanne below the fold. Everyone agreed?

Update [2008-2-13 5:13:7 by Nomad]: Final English version now below. Dutch version has been modified accordingly but may need a few brushes. Now how about those other languages...?

Update [2008-2-15 7:58:54 by Nomad]: We now have English, Dutch, German, French and Swedish!

Bumped by afew


Official English version:


I've just signed the petition against Tony Blair being named "President of the European Union". Please take a look:

http://stopblair.eu/

In the near future the presidency of the European Council will be a fixed position, for one person. Tony Blair is a serious candidate for this position.

Blair helped the US start the disastrous Iraq war, against the wishes of most Europeans. His role in further European integration has continually been obstructive. For him to become "President of Europe" seems absurd.

But the nomination takes place without an election: the decision will be made by the government leaders of the EU Member States. The only way in which European citizens can oppose this is by speaking out now.

If you want to be part of a citizens' movement of opposition to a Blair presidency, please sign the petition, and forward this mail to others you think might like to know about this.

Dutch version:



Ik heb net de petitie tegen het benoemen van Tony Blair tot 'President van de Europese Unie' ondertekend. De petitie is hier (in het Nederlands):

http://stopblair.eu/indexnl.html

In de nabije toekomst wordt het voorzitterschap van de Europese Raad een vaste positie, voor één persoon. Tony Blair wordt genoemd als DE kanshebber voor deze positie.

Blair hielp de VS om de bloedige oorlog in Irak te starten, tegen de wil van de meeste Europeanen. Hij heeft voortdurend een obstructieve rol gespeeld in verdere Europese integratie. Blair als "President van de EU"? Absurd!

Maar de benoeming vindt plaats zonder verkiezing: de beslissing wordt gemaakt door de regeringsleiders van de EU-lidstaten. De enige manier waarop Europese burgers kunnen protesteren is om onze stem te laten horen.

De Stop Blair beweging is een Europees gedragen burger initiatief tegen Blairs kandidatuur. Om dit initiatief te steunen, teken de petitie, en stuur deze mail door naar hen die ook zouden willen tekenen. Bedankt!

http://stopblair.eu/indexnl.html

French version:

Je viens de signer la pétition contre la nomination éventuelle de Tony Blair comme "Président de l'Union Européenne". C'est ici:

http://stopblair.eu/indexfr.html

Bientôt le Conseil Européen aura ā sa tęte un président. Tony Blair prépare trčs sérieusement sa candidature ā ce poste.

Blair a soutenu les Etats-Unis dans l'invasion désastreuse de l'Iraq, contre l'avis de la plupart des Européens. Il a constamment fait obstacle au progrčs de l'intégration politique et sociale européenne. Qu'il devienne le "Président de l'Europe" paraît absurde.

Mais la nomination aura lieu sans élection: la décision sera prise par les chefs de gouvernement des Etats-membres de l'UE. Pour les citoyens, le seul moyen de s'y opposer est de faire entendre leur voix dčs maintenant.

Si vous souhaitez rejoindre le mouvement citoyen de rejet de la candidature Blair, merci de signer la pétition http://stopblair.eu/indexfr.html , et de faire circuler ce message.

German version:

Stoppt Blair!

Ich habe gerade die Petition unterzeichnet, die verhindern soll, dass Tony Blair zum "Präsident der Europäischen Union" ernannt wird. Die Petition ist hier zu finden:

  http://stopblair.eu/indexde.html

     Die Präsidentschaft des Europäischen Rates wird bald eine ständig von einer Person besetzte Position. Tony Blair ist ein ernsthafter Kandidat für den Posten.

     Blair hat den USA dabei geholfen, gegen den Willen der meisten Europäer den katastrophalen Irakkrieg zu beginnen und die weitere europäische Integration immer wieder behindert. Dass er "Präsident von Europa" werden soll, erscheint absurd.

     Aber die Nominierung erfolgt ohne eine Wahl: die Entscheidung wird von den Staats- und Regierungschefs der EU-Mitgliedsstaaten getroffen. Die einzige Weise, auf die sich die europäischen Bürgerinnen und Bürger widersetzen können, ist, sich jetzt Gehör zu verschaffen.

     Wenn Sie Teil einer Bürgerbewegung der Opposition zu einer Blair- Präsidentschaft werden möchten, unterzeichnen Sie bitte die Petition und leiten Sie diese Mail an andere weiter, von denen Sie denken, dass sie vielleicht davon erfahren möchten.

Swedish version:

Jag har precis skrivit på protestlistan mot Tony Blairs utnämnande som "EU:s president". Du kan se protestlistan här:

http://www.stopblair.eu/indexsv.html

Inom en snar framtid kommer Europeiska rådets ordförande att vara en fast tillsatt position. Tony Blair är en seriös kandidat för denna position.

Blair hjälpte USA inleda det katastrofala kriget i Irak, mot de flesta européers önskemål. Han har alltjämt fungerat som en bromskloss vad beträffar ytterligare europeisk integration. Att han skulle kunna bli "Europas president" är helt absurt!

Nomineringen sker dessutom utan någon som helst folkomröstning: detta beslut tas av regeringsledarna i EU:s medlemsländer. Det enda sättet Europas medborgare kan opponera sig mot detta är genom att omedelbart göra sin röst hörd.

Om du vill vara med i en medborgarrörelse i opposition mot Blairs presidentskap, vänligen skriv på protestlistan, och vidarebefodra detta mejl till andra personer som du tror skulle vilja veta om detta.

Short version

English

<title> Stop Blair!

Hi
I just signed this petition http://stopblair.eu/ to stop the grinning idiot having any chance of becoming president of the European Council. He's done enough damage already. If you agree, go read it and sign up.

Thanks - and pass it on to everyone you know.

French

Salut

Je viens de signer cette pétition http://stopblair.eu/indexfr.html pour empęcher Tony Blair d'arriver ā la présidence du Conseil Européen. Il a assez fait de mal comme įa. Si tel est aussi ton/votre avis, lis/lisez la pétition et signe/signez -la.

Merci - ā faire circuler, bien entendu.

Dutch

Hey,

Ik heb net deze petitie ondertekend - http://stopblair.eu/indexnl.html - om te voorkomen dat deze grijnzende idioot een kans krijgt om voorzitter van de Europese Raad te worden. Hij heeft al genoeg schade aangericht. Eens? Lees en onderteken!

Thanks - en stuur dit bericht door.

German

Stoppt Blair!

Hi
I hab gerade diese Petition unterschrieben ( http://stopblair.eu/indexde.html), die verhindern soll, dass dieser grinsende Idiot eine Chance hat, Präsident des Europäischen Rates zu werden. Er hat schon genug Schaden angerichtet. Wenn Du meiner Meinung bist, dann les sie und unterschreib.
Danke - und bitte an alle weiterleiten.

Swedish

Stoppa Blair!

Hej,

Jag har precis skrivit på protestlistan http://www.stopblair.eu/indexsv.html för att hindra Tony Blair från att bli utnämnd till Europeiska rådets ordförande. Han har orsakat alldeles tillräckligt med skada redan! Om du håller med, gå in på listans webbsajt och skriv på!

Tack - och vidarebefodra detta e-mail till alla du känner!

Display:
The person who will occupy this position will in practice be the president of the EU.

Hm, I don't think I agree with that.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 03:56:52 AM EST
Corrected "disasterous" to "disastrous." I'm less sure about this:

Aside of that, Blair...

I think "Aside from that, Blair..." would be correct.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 04:02:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]
"If Blair gets to occupy this position, he will in effect..."

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misčres
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 04:17:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes, I would re-insert the thought as a middle sentence into the before-last paragraph:

But the nomination takes place without an election: the decision will be made by the government leaders of the EU Member States. What's more, if Blair gets to occupy this position, he will strive to turn it effectively into the (unelected) President of the EU. The only way in which European citizens can oppose this is through speaking up now.


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 04:37:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Technically you are correct - but just wait how the position will be spun in the media - especially if Blair is (s)elected.

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 05:50:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]
But that is the point. We are media too, and we have to do all we can to plant it in people's minds (and in the minds of Brussels correspondents, if we can) that this is not "the EU's President".

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 05:52:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I agree -- and I feel even afew's version concedes too much.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 05:57:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]
These are my suggested edits of the English version:

I've just signed the petition against Tony Blair being named "President of the European Union". This online petition can be found here:

http://stopblair.eu/

In the near future the presidency of the European Council will be a fixed position, for one person. Inevitably, that person will be seen, within the European Union and elsewhere in the world, as "President of the EU", or (already used in the media) "President of Europe".

Tony Blair has expressed interest in becoming the first president of the European Council. His candidature is among others supported by the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy.

As British Prime Minister, Blair acted as a facilitator for Washington in the start of the disastrous Iraq war, against the wishes of most Europeans. His role in further European integration, during his term as prime minister, was continually obstructive. For him to become "President of Europe" seems absurd.

But the nomination takes place without an election: the decision will be made by the government leaders of the EU Member States. The only way in which European citizens can oppose this is by speaking out now.

If you want to be part of a citizens' movement of opposition to a Blair presidency, please sign the petition, and forward this mail to others you think might like to know about this.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 04:36:09 AM EST
I agree with he text. I would only suggest one modification:
For him to become "President of Europe" seems absurd is, in my opinion, unacceptable.


"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 05:01:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Since this viral email will be forwarded to friends, colleagues and relatives (and will continue to be as it circulates) I think afew's friendlier, warmer and less 'official' version is an improvement.

Though the 'absurd' bit is OTT imo.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 05:27:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]
For him to become "President of Europe" doesn't make sense.

OTT?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 05:36:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Over The Top, says the Expander of IDiotic Acronyms. (Double click if you have TribExt installed...)
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 05:41:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]
IK

(if not in Acronym Expander, add IK : I Know)

I was asking Sven if he thought the edit was OTT. ;)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 06:26:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I'll probably send out something like:

<title> Stop Blair!

Hi
I just signed this petition http://stopblair.eu/ to stop the grinning idiot having any chance of becoming president of the European Council. He's done enough damage already. If you agree, go read it and sign up.

Thanks - and pass it on to everyone you know.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 05:37:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I do think you (and ceebs) are onto something - but I didn't want to sound anymore as that 16 years old kid protesting against the cancellation of the only bus route through the village where I grew up as teenager. We (friends and I) just printed out forms with a simple slogan as header and went from door to door to get signatures.

On the other hand, which counts for the informal approach, it did work...  (To this day the bus route is maintained - he said with a glimmer of pride in his typing).)

Why not have both? I don't see something immediately wrong with two, three versions - as long as everyone agrees with them... The petition is already appealing to different crowds, pro-EU and anti-EU. Different audience, different voices.

by Nomad on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 06:06:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I agree with multiple versions. We are all free to do as we wish providing we do not do it in the name of ET. Which this petition does not and will be more effective because of that.

This viral is peer-to-peer, not ET-to-peer. It will be most effective imo, if it is couched in the language of the first hit receivers - noone can predict how it will be received after regeneration.

In my case I have a net of about 200 people and I always communicate in English with them. If the first release is to a network is in Germany eg - it would be best if the viral was in German and so forth.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 06:25:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]
In the near future the presidency of the European Council will be a fixed position, for one person. The person who will occupy this position will in practice beis likely to be presented as the president of the EU.
Please don't concede the point!!!

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 05:07:48 AM EST
Aside of that, Blair has continually played an obstructive role in further European integration during his term as prime-minister and even his backers admit he has no patience to facilitate debate and broker agreements among the Council members.


We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 05:10:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]
My personal feeling is that this explains our points in too much detail. the  website explains our argument, the email should just get people through the door. If the email is too complicated, people will stop reading, and won't pass it on or  go to the site and sign. Fair enough this will hit a part of the target market who are open to this kind of market, but for a viral email to be successful, it needs to be more visceral. Recieving this, I would only send it to half the people I should, because half of the people who should get it and who would sign, wouldn't read beyond the first couple of lines.

 

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 05:21:55 AM EST
correction "open to this kind of marketing"

and the viral has too many big words. ;-)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 05:39:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Good points. I do think the viral should contain some argument or explanation, though. What's the ideal size?
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 05:52:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Three short paragraphs, tops?

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 05:53:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Then I'll try striking some.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 05:58:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]
It isn't necessarily size thats a problem, a couple of paragraphs is ok so about 2/3 the size we have. but the shorter the better,  "Big words" are definitely a problem though.(The one that instantly jumped out at me was Facilitate)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 05:57:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]
If it doesn't contain a minimum of argument and exposition, as many people will discard it for dumminess as might, in the opposite direction, for being too complicated.

I can see people thinking, "this is right, I'm going to sign", and going over to the site and either reading the petition or not -- but signing.

So the viral should be as simple and friendly as possible, but with some content.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 06:18:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I fully agree on a minimum of simple explanation and argumentation in a friendly wrapper. I'd take it a step further - if I'd get a one-liner, I'd regard it as spam, even if the email came from friends.

I'm for building that version - in multiple languages - while people could simplify further at own will by deleting parts of the "mother" viral - as nanne suggests below to Frank S..

by Nomad on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 06:45:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]
If it has to be done in a couple of lines, it's going to be tough.

And why would those who won't read further than two or three lines go and read the petition?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 06:11:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]
but will they sign?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 06:15:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]
See my comment above. If you dumb it down too much, you'll put other kinds of people off. Not everyone likes being treated as if the Sun is hard reading for them ;)

Perhaps we could have a viral for dummies and a viral for eggheads.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 06:22:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]
the more the merrier.

Why not one for Eurosceptics too? We may be pro-Europe, but there has been a significant eurosceptic quality to many of the UK signatories.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 06:27:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Haven't got much of a Eurosceptic mailing list, personally ;)
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 06:32:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]
nor me, but there are several people who I work with who are and have. It's an entire section of the populace who may well be highly motivated.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 06:41:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]
We are opposing Tony Blair on the basis of the European project's values. I think we shouldn't ry to tout Eurosceptics...

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 06:37:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The argument is in the petition. All we need to do with the viral is get them to go read it and sign it.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 06:27:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The issue is whether the email has a 'hook'. I have no doubt that people in your network will 'get' the "grinning idiot" phrase.

Some people, though, will like reading a bit of text and might dismiss a single pointed sentence as a content-free mail.

For my part, I wanted people to remember Iraq, and to appeal to their sense of civic duty -- and/or their sense that they are not getting a say (the latter two with a Dutch audience in mind, though it should work for many).

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 06:39:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Unlike the petition itself, which had to be well argued and identical in every language - a viral marketing campaign has to be as PERSONALISED as possible.  You wouldn't send the same text to a 16 year old and to a hardened political hack.

The best we can probably do is create a TEMPLATE which contains a number of optional phrases/paragraphs, even jokes or cartoons to grab peoples attention.

Then each "viral marketeer" picks the bits that s/he thinks will best engage his/her target audience in their preferred idiom and creates a short punchy and seemingly personalised message.

It doesn't really matter if the same recipient ends up getting different messages from different sources all originating from the same campaign - in fact that would be better - as each message would be read independently and act as a reminder to forward to more friends.

So what we should do is create a large PICK and MIX template - with some simple guidelines - think of your audience, keep it short, make people feel that their action is IMPORTANT, emphasise how simple it is to sign up and include the Stopblair URL prominently top and bottom.

If people want more info they can always come here.

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 06:06:29 AM EST
Interesting points, but you want to make it easy to send, too. Which is a reason for having this pre-formatted text. If people want to send a shorter version, they can always delete (some of) the text and send their own version -- the pre-formatted email will be editable.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 06:27:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]
afew:

I've just signed the petition against Tony Blair being named "President of the European Union". This online petition can be found here Please take a look:

http://stopblair.eu/

In the near future the presidency of the European Council will be a fixed position, for one person. Inevitably, tThat person will be seen, within the European Union and elsewhere in the world, as "President of the EU", or (already used in the media) "President of Europe". Tony Blair is a serious candidate for the position.

Tony Blair has expressed interest in becoming the first president of the European Council. His candidature is among others supported by the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy.

As British Prime Minister, Blair acted as a facilitator for Washington in the start ofBlair helped the US start the disastrous Iraq war, against the wishes of most Europeans. His role in further European integration, during his term as prime minister, washas continually been obstructive. For him to become "President of Europe" seems absurd.

But the nomination takes place without an election: the decision will be made by the government leaders of the EU Member States. The only way in which European citizens can oppose this is by speaking out now.

If you want to be part of a citizens' movement of opposition to a Blair presidency, please sign the petition, and forward this mail to others you think might like to know about this.


Main change to address ceebs' criticism is to give a call to visit in the opening paragraph.

As for absurd, I like OTT, but we could put Melanchton's revision in.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 06:16:39 AM EST
Good simplification.

"seems absurd" could be replaced by "makes no sense". Or not.

Sven's short suggestion above is no doubt good for some kinds of contact.

We should be free to modify in view of the people we're contacting.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 06:30:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]
We should be free to modify in view of the people we're contacting.
Of course. Total freedom is what I propose. This is just the standard text that would appear on the website for the 'tell your friends' feature, but it would be completely editable.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 06:43:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]
nanne:

I've just signed the petition against Tony Blair being named "President of the European Union". Please take a look:

http://stopblair.eu/

In the near future the presidency of the European Council will be a fixed position, for one person. That person will be seen, within the European Union and elsewhere in the world, as "President of the EU", or (already used in the media) "President of Europe". Tony Blair is a serious candidate for this position.

Blair helped the US start the disastrous Iraq war, against the wishes of most Europeans. His role in further European integration has continually been obstructive. For him to become "President of Europe" seems absurd.

But the nomination takes place without an election: the decision will be made by the government leaders of the EU Member States. The only way in which European citizens can oppose this is by speaking out now.

If you want to be part of a citizens' movement of opposition to a Blair presidency, please sign the petition, and forward this mail to others you think might like to know about this.

by Nomad on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 08:38:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]
This is not accurate:
As English prime-minister, Blair was responsible ...

Should read,

As BRITISH prime minister, Blair was responsible ...

In fact, Blair IS of Scottish ancestry ...

by The3rdColumn on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 08:01:52 AM EST
The PM part has already been deleted.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 09:31:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The shorter the better. Makes translating easier ;)

BTW, what happened to the logo? When we have one, we could add a "embed logo on your blog or hompage" code line (like YouTube videos):


"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu

by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 09:15:27 AM EST
These mails being meant to be forwarded, and on and on, the starting-point address is likely to travel a long way with them.

Anyone got any thoughts about that?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 01:32:31 PM EST
Thought about that earlier, so created a stop blair gmail address

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 02:20:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]
But I'd prefer to send it from my own email account - because I'm targeting my personal connections, and I don't want to make it look as if I'm spamming them.

If a copy from the gmail address is sent to my email address with blind carbon copy - would that work?

by Nomad on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 03:19:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]
This is the kind of problem I was thinking of. I also wouldn't want to make it noreply in case someone wanted to reply.

Though actually, each of us could create a dedicated mail account somewhere, with name recognizable, and use it only for this purpose.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 03:25:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
whatever you do, your from email address is going to appear. It's either let your friends know who's sending them mail, or be anaonymous when they send it on.

(of course if it's not your name on the email, it won't look its you thats spamming them ;-)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 04:25:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I've been using my yahoo account for mass mailings previously. And I feel icky about my friends starting to carry that risk which I'm going to dodge. So, no anonymous one for me.

If I will get swamped by idiots or spam this time, I'll bail to google. If Yahoo! will be gobbled up by Microsoft, I'll jump that ship anyway.

I will send out my virals (Dutch and English) tomorrow evening - unless in between a massive protestation manifests about the text...

by Nomad on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 05:55:00 PM EST
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I put the refitted English version by nanne below the fold. Everyone agreed?

 

I still disagree with this:

That person will be seen, within the European Union and elsewhere in the world, as "President of the EU", or (already used in the media) "President of Europe".

That's still conceding ground, without stating why it's wrong. Rather skip it all than this way.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 05:47:03 PM EST
It is:

Petition against the nomination of Tony Blair as "President of the European Union"

Is "will be seen... as "President of the EU" conceding ground or "President of Europe" or all of it?

by Nomad on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 06:06:30 PM EST
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We use scare quotes. Everywhere else in the document we talk about Council President.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 06:26:37 PM EST
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European Tribune - Stop Blair viral - Updated
I've just signed the petition against Tony Blair being named "President of the European Union". Please take a look:

http://stopblair.eu/

In the near future the presidency of the European Council will be a fixed position, for one person. Tony Blair is a serious candidate for this position.

Blair helped the US start the disastrous Iraq war, against the wishes of most Europeans. His role in further European integration has continually been obstructive. For him to become "President of Europe" seems absurd.

But the nomination takes place without an election: the decision will be made by the government leaders of the EU Member States. The only way in which European citizens can oppose this is by speaking out now.

If you want to be part of a citizens' movement of opposition to a Blair presidency, please sign the petition, and forward this mail to others you think might like to know about this.

this will be sufficient?

by Nomad on Wed Feb 13th, 2008 at 01:41:14 AM EST
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Since DoDo 4'ed it, I guess we are set.

Now the coding and the translations remain...

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Feb 13th, 2008 at 06:19:44 AM EST
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Sending several versions would be best:

  1. One can't know what will go exponential, and multiple tries give a better chance.
  2. What goes exponential in one segment of the public may not in another.
  3. Recipients of multiple versions will get a sense of a broader movement.

It seems wise to wordsmith several very different versions and send them all (not from one source, of course!). Sharing mailing lists seems like a good idea: One version needn't entirely crowd out another.

Words and ideas I offer here may be used freely and without attribution.
by technopolitical on Wed Feb 13th, 2008 at 06:06:11 AM EST
We've got Sven's already...

Sven Triloqvist:

Stop Blair!

Hi
I just signed this petition http://stopblair.eu/ to stop the grinning idiot having any chance of becoming president of the European Council. He's done enough damage already. If you agree, go read it and sign up.

Thanks - and pass it on to everyone you know.

And for Facebook I'll probably follow Sven's example than what the efforts here have brought us.

I leave making yet another version for someone else - the one now in the diary is the kind I want to target my mailing list with...

by Nomad on Wed Feb 13th, 2008 at 06:38:48 AM EST
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Short and sveet Sven version:

Salut

Je viens de signer cette pétition http://stopblair.eu/indexfr.html pour empêcher Tony Blair d'arriver à la présidence du Conseil Européen. Il a assez fait de mal comme ça. Si tel est aussi ton/votre avis, lis/lisez la pétition et signe/signez -la.

Merci - à faire circuler, bien entendu.

Nomad/Nanne version:

Je viens de signer la pétition contre la nomination éventuelle de Tony Blair comme "Président de l'Union Européenne". C'est ici:

http://stopblair.eu/indexfr.html

Bientôt le Conseil Européen aura à sa tête un président. Tony Blair prépare très sérieusement sa candidature à ce poste.

Blair a soutenu les Etats-Unis dans l'invasion désastreuse de l'Iraq, contre l'avis de la plupart des Européens. Il a constamment fait obstacle au progrès de l'intégration politique et sociale européenne. Qu'il devienne le "Président de l'Europe" paraît absurde.

Mais la nomination aura lieu sans élection: la décision sera prise par les chefs de gouvernement des Etats-membres de l'UE. Pour les citoyens, le seul moyen de s'y opposer est de faire entendre leur voix dès maintenant.

Si vous souhaitez rejoindre le mouvement citoyen de rejet de la candidature Blair, merci de signer la pétition http://stopblair.eu/indexfr.html , et faites circuler ce message.

I think these two versions give enough basis from which each of us can work. What we need now is more languages.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Feb 13th, 2008 at 08:42:58 AM EST
<blurg>

last line, long version:

for "faites circuler" read "de faire circuler".

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Feb 13th, 2008 at 08:48:04 AM EST
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That's three, thanks! I'm not yet sure where to put Sven's merry message...
by Nomad on Wed Feb 13th, 2008 at 10:09:35 AM EST
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Will do the German one tonight (after the UEFA matches) or tomorrow morning.

P.S. Wasn't able to get a Russian version of the petition. Maybe someone can get in touch with Sargon?

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu

by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Wed Feb 13th, 2008 at 01:02:29 PM EST
Stoppt Blair!

Ich habe gerade die Petition unterzeichnet, die verhindern soll, dass Tony Blair zum "Präsident der Europäischen Union" ernannt wird. Die Petition ist hier zu finden:

  http://stopblair.eu/indexde.html

     Die Präsidentschaft des Europäischen Rates wird bald eine ständig von einer Person besetzte Position. Tony Blair ist ein ernsthafter Kandidat für den Posten.

     Blair hat den USA dabei geholfen, gegen den Willen der meisten Europäer den katastrophalen Irakkrieg zu beginnen und die weitere europäische Integration immer wieder behindert. Dass er "Präsident von Europa" werden soll, erscheint absurd.

     Aber die Nominierung erfolgt ohne eine Wahl: die Entscheidung wird von den Staats- und Regierungschefs der EU-Mitgliedsstaaten getroffen. Die einzige Weise, auf die sich die europäischen Bürgerinnen und Bürger widersetzen können, ist, sich jetzt Gehör zu verschaffen.

     Wenn Sie Teil einer Bürgerbewegung der Opposition zu einer Blair- Präsidentschaft werden möchten, unterzeichnen Sie bitte die Petition und leiten Sie diese Mail an andere weiter, von denen Sie denken, dass sie vielleicht davon erfahren möchten.

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Stoppt Blair!

Hi
I hab gerade diese Petition unterschrieben ( http://stopblair.eu/indexde.html), die verhindern soll, dass dieser grinsende Idiot eine Chance hat, Präsident des Europäischen Rates zu werden. Er hat schon genug Schaden angerichtet. Wenn Du meiner Meinung bist, dann les sie und unterschreib.
Danke - und bitte an alle weiterleiten.


"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu

by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Thu Feb 14th, 2008 at 08:58:43 AM EST
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Uploaded, you're in the matrix...

Thanks Turambar!

by Nomad on Thu Feb 14th, 2008 at 03:30:18 PM EST
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Just wondering, would it not be better to replace 'Hi' in the German version with 'Hallo'? Hi, is English, and I don 't think it is common use in German.
by Fran on Thu Feb 14th, 2008 at 03:37:15 PM EST
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Seems like I can get a Russian version after all. Still needed?

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu
by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Thu Feb 14th, 2008 at 03:29:15 PM EST
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Be prepared is my motto.

If Blair actually announces to become candidate, it can start off a firestorm. The more languages available, the better.

by Nomad on Thu Feb 14th, 2008 at 03:31:56 PM EST
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I think Turambar (also) means the full petition.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Feb 14th, 2008 at 04:26:43 PM EST
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I, too!
by Nomad on Thu Feb 14th, 2008 at 05:03:32 PM EST
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I'm in the middle of grabbing all of the email addresses of the UK's MPs Does anyone have a list of Scottish and Welsh assembly members?

once I've grabbed them all, I'll email all of them (from stopblair.eu@googlemail.com)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Feb 13th, 2008 at 01:31:26 PM EST
oh and once I've finished the list, anyone who wants an excel spreadsheet of all UK members of parliament and their  constituencies and email addresses, drop me an email. If you need to convert to mac, I'll also supply in CSV format)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Feb 13th, 2008 at 01:33:28 PM EST
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Hey,

Ik heb net deze petitie ondertekend - http://stopblair.eu/indexnl.html - om te voorkomen dat deze grijnzende idioot een kans krijgt om voorzitter van de Europese Raad te worden. Hij heeft al genoeg schade aangericht. Eens? Lees en onderteken!

Thanks - en stuur dit bericht door.


Nothing like a few anglicisms.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Feb 14th, 2008 at 01:55:32 PM EST
When can we expect to get the 'tell your friends' feature on the website?
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Feb 14th, 2008 at 02:04:29 PM EST
it's noticeable that stopblair put in as a google search has shot up in its number of results in the last couple of days. It's been around a thousand for a while and has just shot up to 15,000. (shame this isn't reflected in the signatures)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Feb 15th, 2008 at 04:56:38 AM EST
Isn't google doing a more thorough browse of the internets every month or so ? This might be what happened...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misčres
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri Feb 15th, 2008 at 05:59:13 AM EST
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Long:
Jag har precis skrivit på protestlistan mot Tony Blairs utnämnande som "EU:s president". Du kan se protestlistan här:

http://www.stopblair.eu/indexsv.html

Inom en snar framtid kommer Europeiska rådets ordförande att vara en fast tillsatt position. Tony Blair är en seriös kandidat för denna position.

Blair hjälpte USA inleda det katastrofala kriget i Irak, mot de flesta européers önskemål. Han har alltjämt fungerat som en bromskloss vad beträffar ytterligare europeisk integration. Att han skulle kunna bli "Europas president" är helt absurt!

Nomineringen sker dessutom utan någon som helst folkomröstning: detta beslut tas av regeringsledarna i EU:s medlemsländer. Det enda sättet Europas medborgare kan opponera sig mot detta är genom att omedelbart göra sin röst hörd.

Om du vill vara med i en medborgarrörelse i opposition mot Blairs presidentskap, vänligen skriv på protestlistan, och vidarebefodra detta mejl till andra personer som du tror skulle vilja veta om detta.

Short:

<title> Stoppa Blair!

Hej,

Jag har precis skrivit på protestlistan http://www.stopblair.eu/indexsv.html för att hindra Tony Blair från att bli utnämnd till Europeiska rådets ordförande. Han har orsakat alldeles tillräckligt med skada redan! Om du håller med, gå in på listans webbsajt och skriv på!

Tack - och vidarebefodra detta e-mail till alla du känner!



"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (m<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Fri Feb 15th, 2008 at 06:32:50 AM EST
Daniel Cohn-Bendit should shortly sign the petition and put a link on his website.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Fri Feb 15th, 2008 at 07:09:26 AM EST
Good move from "Dany le rouge"... :-)

"What can I do, What can I write, Against the fall of Night". A.E. Housman
by margouillat (hemidactylus(dot)frenatus(at)wanadoo(dot)fr) on Fri Feb 15th, 2008 at 07:25:26 AM EST
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