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Phase 2: Petition against a Tony Blair presidency

by Melanchthon Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:39:46 AM EST

We've been doing a superb collective job for the first step of this project (see Petition against a Tony Blair presidency of the European Union).

We already have a text in English, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Dutch, Hungarian, Portuguese and Danish! We are waiting for a Polish version. Any other language is indeed welcome.

You will find hereunder the final text in English. It must have the same content in every language, so, please, correct the other language versions according to it. I will do the French one. You will find the link to your version of the treaty here (look for the EU official journal).

The next step is about hosting and designing a site for the petition. We must also discuss what kind of dissemination strategy we adopt.

Promoted by DoDo with edits


Several contributions have been made to the draft. Most of them have been integrated in the final version. I agree to use "President of the European Council" in the text, however I chose to maintain "President of the European Union" in the title, as proposed by Migeru, because many European citizens do not really know the European institutions, especially the Council and because the term "President of the European Union" will be used by the institutions and the media (it is already the case).

I did not keep the reference to the other dignitaries in the last paragraph because I think we must act one step at a time and stay focused on the current threat. Also we must not give the impression we are attacking other dignitaries.

On hosting the petition site, Jérôme already said he is OK for pre-funding a site. We have to decide on which server it should be hosted (I am not knowledgeable enough in this field). We must design the page and define its content (and translate it in as many languages as the text). We must also discuss what kind of relationship/link it should have with European Tribune. Should it be explicit, thus making ET widely known in Europe, but identifying it with an anti-Blair campaign, or should it be more distinct?

Regarding the dissemination strategy: Should we send the petition to "friendly" organisations? Should we organise an e-mailing using the ET e-mail address? I think we should wait to have gathered enough signatures before sending it to members of institutions like MEPs except if we know them personally.


Here is the final English version:

Petition against the nomination of Tony Blair as "President of the European Union"

We, European citizens of all origins and of all political persuasions, wish to express our total opposition to the nomination of Tony Blair to the Presidency of the European Council.

The Treaty of Lisbon provides for the new post of President of the European Council, to be elected by the Council for a mandate, renewable once only, of two and a half years. Under the terms of the Treaty: "The President of the European Council shall chair it and drive forward its work" and "shall ensure the preparation and continuity of the work of the European Council". Further, "The President of the European Council shall, at his level and in that capacity, ensure the external representation of the Union on issues concerning its common foreign and security policy"¹.

The future President of the European Council will therefore have a key role in determining the policies of the European Union and its relations with the rest of the world. This first Council Presidency will also have a major symbolic weight for both citizens of the European Union and for the image of the Union in the rest of the world. In this perspective, we believe it is essential that the first president embodies the spirit and values of the European project.

For some time now, increasingly insistent news reports have made evident a wish, in some quarters, to see Tony Blair appointed the first President of the European Council. This appointment, were it to take place, would be in total contradiction with the values professed by the European project.

In violation of international law, Tony Blair committed his country to a war in Iraq that a large majority of European citizens opposed. This war has claimed hundreds of thousands of victims and displaced millions of refugees. It has been a major factor in today's profound destabilisation of the Middle East, and has weakened world security. In order to lead his country into war, Mr Blair made systematic use of fabricated evidence and the manipulation of information. His role in the Iraq war would weigh heavily on the image of the Union in the world, should he in fact be named its president.

The steps taken by Tony Blair's government, and his complicity with the Bush administration in the illegal programme of "extraordinary renditions", have led to an unprecedented decline in civil liberties. This is in contradiction with the terms of the European Convention of Human Rights, which is an integral part of the treaty.

The European Charter of Fundamental Rights formalises the founding values of the European project and is one of the pillars of the new treaty. Tony Blair fought its inclusion in the Treaty of Lisbon, and eventually managed to secure an exemption for the UK.

Rather than move European integration forward, the former British Prime Minister set a series of so-called red lines during the Lisbon negotiations², with the intent of blocking any progress in social issues and tax harmonisation, as well as common defence and foreign policy.

Furthermore, it seems unthinkable that the first President of the European Council should be the former head of a government that kept its country out of two key elements of the construction of Europe: the Schengen area of free movement of people and the Euro zone.

At a time when one of the priorities of the European institutions is to reconnect with its citizens, we believe it is essential that the President of the European Council should be a person with whom a majority of citizens can identify, rather than one rejected by a majority³. Therefore, we declare our total opposition to this nomination.


  1. Treaty of Lisbon, Article 1, point 16, inserting Article 9 B into the Treaty on European Union, points 5 and 6 (2007/C 306/17, 18)
  2. Blair sets out EU treaty demands, BBC, June 2007
  3. Table 6 in FT/Harris poll, June 2007

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Actually I put up the Italian version on the previous diary about a half hour before this diary.

I see there have been some changes since the last version. Back to the drawing board.

But I did note an issue with the mechanism of electing the Council President that contrasts with "appointments" and "nominations." (Article 9B point 5, to be exact.)

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 05:47:38 PM EST
Edited accordingly.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 01:22:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Re "appointment", I don't think further changes should be made to the draft unless they are gross errors. I think in this case, 'appointment' is also valid: even if the Council votes on the President and the Treaty calls the process an 'election', it is still not a democratic mandate but the choice of an institution. Also, while there is no official nomination described in the Treaty, inofficially, we can treat Sarko's putting forward of Bliar as nomination.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:46:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I agree. So far, the only modification I would retain is the suppression of the "political persuasion" in the first sentence and its replacement by "convictions".

I will wait a little more before updating for the final final version.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:55:34 AM EST
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All this stems from translation. The proper Italian translation in this context is "candidatura." There is of course the matter of appointments where a person is nominated to an office such as a federal judge in the States or many bureaucratic offices or prestiguous positions throughout the world.

But the word "candidatura" has a broader meaning, just as in the example of the US primaries. There are many candidates for a party nomination. But a nomination doesn't make a president. A candidate nominated by a party or by a group must go through an electoral process. And if he/she wins I suppose that person is "declared" president.

In many parliamentary governments, the nation's president is elected by parliament, such as in Italy, Israel or Germany. It's a prestigious figure-head role that must garner consensus within parliament. But usually qualifications are minimal. A president can come from all walks of life.

So where did the term "nomination" come up in this context and what exactly are the mechanisms? It's article 9B point 5. I was perplexed because we just don't have the clumsy term "nominazione." Sure, it gets thrown around here either in the original English or the Italianized version but it's a neologism in Italian. Are we to petition against Sarkozy proposing a name and then doing some back-room armbending of other state chief representatives in the Council to put together a qualified majority? Or is it a matter of explaining in simple terms within each state of the Union why Blair is not qualified? Since the word "nomination" has also come up in the English mainstream press (the Sunday Guardian?), I just want to know if it has legal grounds or if it is simply some sort of catch-all word. This I leave to the subtleties of the English language. In Italian it's a dilemma, simply because "la candidatura" does not make a person a "president".

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 04:28:59 AM EST
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Do you have the term "postulare"?

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 04:39:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 05:31:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]
1 CO richiedere con insistenza, spec. un beneficio, un favore, una carica e sim.

seems to work... In Spanish we also have this meaning:

2a TS dir.can., chiedere di essere ammesso in un ordine religioso | promuovere una causa di beatificazione o di canonizzazione

but figuratively it can be used outside the religious context. Blair se postula como Presidente would be perfectly admissible, which is why I asked.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 05:34:55 AM EST
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It would be technically correct but not current usage in Italian.

In light of the Guardian article yesterday that is what Blair is doing, "to ask with insistence to be given the job (on the condition that he gets more powers to do it, of course), etc."

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 05:45:37 AM EST
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"la nomina" instead of "la candidatura." I presume therefore that once the Council has elected Pinco Pallino to be President, they walk out to the microphones and say "The Council (in accordance with blahblahblah) nominates Pinco Pallino President of the...."
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 05:40:30 AM EST
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The European Charter of Fundamental Rights formalises the founding values of the European project and is one of the pillars of the new treaty. Tony Blair fought its inclusion in the Treaty of Lisbon, and eventually managed to secure an exemption for the UK.

Here is the European Charter of Fundamental Rights, signed in Strasbourg on December 16th, 2007. Explanations here.

The UK and Polish exemption is this protocol.

In my Italian version I seem to have confused a protocol reference to article 6(2) of the Treaty of European Union with the UK/ Polish issue. I will correct this.

My concern while translating was exactly what kind of exemption was sought and won by Poland and the UK. I settled for an exemption from being pursued in European Court, ie jurisdictional. Feedback urged here.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 06:25:34 PM EST
We might consider to rephrase it: "managed to make it not legally binding for the UK", but I'm not sure it's necessary.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 07:19:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
New French version:

Pétition contre la nomination de Tony Blair comme Président de l'Union Européenne.

Nous, citoyens européens de toutes origines et de toutes tendances souhaitons exprimer notre totale opposition à la nomination de Tony Blair à la présidence du Conseil de l'Union Européenne.

Le traité de Lisbonne prévoit la création du poste de président du Conseil de l'Union Européenne élu par le Conseil pour un mandat de deux ans et demi, renouvelable une fois. Selon les termes du traité : « Le président assure la préparation et la continuité des travaux du Conseil européen » et « Le président préside et anime les travaux du Conseil européen ». De même, « le président du Conseil européen assure, à son niveau et en sa qualité, la représentation extérieure de l'Union pour les matières relevant de la politique étrangère et de sécurité commune »¹.

Le futur président du Conseil de l'Union Européenne aura donc un rôle essentiel dans la détermination des politiques de l'Union et dans ses relations avec le reste du monde. Cette première présidence aura aussi un poids symbolique majeur aussi bien pour les citoyens de l'Union Européenne que pour l'image de l'Union dans le reste du monde. Dans cette perspective, il nous paraît essentiel que le premier président incarne l'esprit et les valeurs du projet européen.

Depuis quelques temps, des articles de presse font état de l'intention de certains de faire de Tony Blair le premier président du Conseil de l'Union Européenne. Cette nomination, si elle devait advenir, serait en totale contradiction avec les valeurs portées par le projet européen.

En violation du droit international, Tony Blair a engagé son pays dans une guerre en Irak, guerre à laquelle une vaste majorité des citoyens européens étaient opposés. Cette guerre a fait des centaines de milliers de victimes et entraîné le déplacement de millions de réfugiés. Elle a constitué un facteur majeur de la profonde déstabilisation actuelle du Moyen-Orient et fait reculer la sécurité dans le monde. Pour entraîner son pays dans la guerre, Monsieur Blair a utilisé de manière systématique la manipulation de l'information et fait usage de preuves fabriquées. Son rôle dans la guerre en Irak pèserait lourdement sur l'image de l'Union dans le monde s'il advenait qu'il en soit nommé président

Les mesures que le gouvernement de Tony Blair a prises et sa complicité avec l'administration Bush dans le programme illégal d'enlèvements « extraordinary renditions » ont amené un recul sans précédent des libertés civiles en contradiction avec les termes de la Convention Européenne des Droits de l'Homme qui fait partie intégrante du traité.

La Charte Européenne des Droits Fondamentaux formalise les valeurs fondatrices du projet européen et constitue un des piliers du nouveau traité. Tony Blair en a combattu l'intégration dans le traité de Lisbonne pour finalement obtenir que la Charte ne s'applique pas au Royaume-Uni.

Plutôt que de faire avancer l'intégration européenne, l'ancien premier ministre britannique a imposé un certain nombre de « lignes rouges » au cours des négociations du traité de Lisbonne², avec pour but d'empêcher tout progrès sur les questions sociales et l'harmonisation fiscale ainsi qu'en matière de politique étrangère et de sécurité commune.

Enfin, il nous paraît inenvisageable que le premier président du Conseil de l'Union Européenne soit l'ancien chef d'un gouvernement qui a maintenu son pays en dehors de deux éléments clefs de la construction de l'Europe : la zone Schengen de libre circulation des personnes et la zone Euro.

A l'heure où l'une des priorités des institutions européennes est de renouer avec les citoyens, il nous paraît essentiel que le président du Conseil de l'Union Européenne soit une personnalité en qui une majorité de citoyens puissent se reconnaître, plutôt qu'une personne rejetée par la majorité³. C'est pourquoi nous affirmons notre totale opposition à cette nomination.


  1. Traité de Lisbonne, Article 9B, paragraphes 5 et 6 (2007/C 306/18)
  2. Blair sets out EU treaty demands, BBC, June 2007
  3. Tableau 6 dans le sondage FT/Harris, June 2007


"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 06:32:17 PM EST
BTW, I am convinced that there is a deal: Sarkozy is pushing Tony Blair to be president of the European Council because he expects Blair to support him as his successor...

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 07:22:09 PM EST
The major European powers will certainly try to rotate the post between them, but I'm not sure that Prime Ministers of the major powers will regard it as a promotion.  Status wise - I would have thought it ranked about equal to the Prime Minister of a medium sized country - e.g. Netherland. Austria, perhaps Poland at a pinch.  This may change over time, but it will take time for the real powers and effectiveness of the role to develop.  

National Governments will guard their prerogatives jealously and major ones will ignore the "President" if it is in their perceived interests to do so.  I see the potential for a lot of confusion between the respective roles of the three "Presidents" and the High Commissioner for foreign affairs.  It doesn't really answer the Kissinger question - who do I ring if I want to talk to Europe...

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 07:57:07 PM EST
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If it is occupied by media-famous and media-smart politicos such as Tony Blair and Sarkozy, the position could quickly gain prestige and authority. Tony Blair as "EU President" would be the only person known EU-wide in the EU institutions...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 08:23:30 PM EST
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...and thus strengthen the Council's relative power again. We don't want that, do we?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 01:27:36 AM EST
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European Tribune - Phase 2: Petition against a Tony Blair presidency
We, European citizens of all origins and of all political persuasions

Given the document takes a very specific (albeit majority) line on Iraq it is hard to argue that it reflects " all political persuasions - unless we say "all political Parties and none..."

The document is not politically neutral, but it does aim to be non-partisan...

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 08:01:33 PM EST
One of Telegraph's journalist-bloggers is already on the question; in his latest Telegraph weblog, Daniel Hannan asks British readers to pitch in: "Should we back Blair for President?"

He says, "Tony Blair has now more or less confirmed his ambition to become President of Europe - but only on his terms, and only if the job comes with serious powers."

Looks like the ET petition's coming out is right on cue or just before Tony Blair gets his bearings right. I'm all for nailing his political ambitions to his mast of defeat before he could get cracking.

by The3rdColumn on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 08:39:27 PM EST
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Meaning we'd need to go quite fast, if we want to build support before the "Blair president" becomes essentially accepted fact.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 08:41:47 PM EST
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Blair's "serious powers" basically boil down to taking over the attributions of the High Representative for the CFSP. The "powers" of the President of the Council are as spelled out in the Treaty, for crying out loud!

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:27:57 AM EST
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Ensuring "the preparation and continuity of the work of the European Council", which means having a say in the setting of the agenda, is a serious power.

Ensuring "the external representation of the Union on issues concerning its common foreign and security policy" can be serious power.

There is the text, and then there the way it is implemented. According to the texts, as presidents of the European Commission, Jacques Delors and Jacques Santer were occupying the same post...

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:44:37 AM EST
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Guardian Unlimited Politics: I'll be president of Europe if you give me the power - Blair
Blair, currently the Middle East envoy for the US, Russia, EU and the UN, has told friends he has made no final decision, but is increasingly willing to put himself forward for the job if it comes with real powers to intervene in defence and trade affairs.
In other words, he wants to take over the trade portfolio from the Commission (the job currently carried out by Peter Mandelson) and the "defence" portfolio from the High Representative.

Note, in fact, that up to now Javier Solana has both been "Secretary General of the Council" (hence the key to providing continuity to the work of the Council athrough the rotating presidencies and probably influencing the agenda) as well as HRCFSP. These two jobs are now being separated and the "Secretary General" is becoming a "chairperson" with representative duties. Blair wants Solana's current job.

Some Blair allies also say that he now recognises that as envoy in the Middle East he is not going to be allowed to become the key player in furthering Israeli-Palestinian talks this year, and will be reduced to a role of supporting political development in Palestine and boosting its economy.
It took him this long to figure out the ME envoy gig was a sham, and he wants something bigger.<
Apart from Blair, two other candidates most often mentioned are the former Austrian chancellor Wolfgang Schüssel, promoted by Germany, and the current Luxembourg prime minister, Jean-Claude Juncker.
Schüssel is the EPP candidate, and Juncker the PES candidate, I suppose. Juncker might get the support of the small states regardless of political affiliation. Do we consider Schüssel stained by having admitted Jörg Haider's party into his government?

Is that it? That's a pretty weak field.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 04:50:18 AM EST
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Juncker should be the ALDE candidate, methinks. He should also have Germany's support.

As much as I dislike Schüssel, I'd prefer his annoying smile over Bliar's annoying smile :-)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 04:59:31 AM EST
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Jean Claude Juncker is a member of the Social-Christian CSV. The CSV is a member of the EPP.

It's looking more and more like Blair is a Trojan Horse. The other two candidates are from the EPP. Sarkozy, also from the EPP, promotes Blair, nominally PES but at heart EPP.

Who is in the running for the four top EU jobs? Has the EPP claimed the Council by default? Will they install a faux-PES in the Council so they can take another job elsewhere? The political division would probably end up being EPP 2 jobs, PES 1 job, ALDE 1 job.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 05:15:59 AM EST
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Heh, I somehow assumed he is from a liberal party, because beyond being a very strong pro-European, I know him as a market liberal. (Or maybe I confused him with Verhofstadt.)

According to this SPIEGEL article (the abridged English version of a German original unfortunately behind the subscription wall), the odds don't look good for Bliar, who has more enemies:

But numerous Social Democrats and most Christian Democrats, along with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, aren't as impressed. On Monday, the Daily Telegraph also reported that senior allies of current Prime Minister Gordon Brown were plotting to wreck Blair's ambitions for the post out of concern that his appointment could reignite old divisions within his Labour Party.

Further candidates discussed are Belgium's Verhofstadt, Poland's Kwaśniewski and Aznar, though they note Aznar has the same problem with the incumbent PM's opposition as Bliar...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 07:16:52 AM EST
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Re: Belgium's Verhofstadt, Must say Belgium's Verhofstadt doesn't strike me as a serious candidate -- the man can barely get his acts together on political issues dividing Belgium.
by The3rdColumn on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 07:27:10 AM EST
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So Kwaśniewski is the only serious PES candidate?

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 07:44:46 AM EST
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I don't think the Spiegel is going by much for this report. Just a bit of sounding off.

Poul Nyrup Rasmussen could be a candidate for either the Commission or the Council. Bottom line is that the PES wins the 2009 elections (a few more European governments would also be helpful).

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 07:54:10 AM EST
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Well, if the PES manages to become the largest group in the EP and hold more governments than the EPP, they might get two of the four top EU jobs, to one each for the EPP and ALDE.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 08:43:58 AM EST
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A Hamburger Abendblatt article also lists Anders Fogh Rasmussen as a possiblity... uaaargh. More interesting is:

"Eine Person der Ausgleichs" verlangt Bundeskanzlerin Angela Merkel. Auf Tony Blair, den machtbewussten Ex-Premier der Briten und Irak-Krieg-Befürworter, trifft dies kaum zu. Der Labour-Mann wird von Sarkozy favorisiert. "Aber wir wollen keinen Solisten, sondern einen Team Player", heißt es auch in Brüssel. [German] federal chancellor Angela Merkel demands "a person of balance". This is scarcely valid for Tony Blair, the power-conscious ex-PM of the Brits and Iraq War supporter. The Labour man is favorised by Sarkozy. "But we don't want a solo player, but a team player", it is said in Brussels, too.
Da die kleinen EU-Länder ohnehin latent eine Dominanz der Großen befürchten, wird wohl auch der erste EU-Ratspräsident eher aus einem kleinen Land kommen. Den meisten EU-Chefs fällt da als Idealbesetzung der christdemokratische Luxemburger EU-Altmeister Jean-Claude Juncker ein. ... "Juncker ist erfahren und kennt alle Fallstricke", sagt ein deutscher Diplomat in Brüssel. "Aber er wird nur Schwächere neben sich dulden und dann mit EU-Kommissionspräsident Barroso aneinandergeraten. Die beiden können nicht miteinander." Because the smaller EU states fear the dominance of the large ones anyway, the first EU Council President will arguably come rather from a small country. As ideal casting, the Christian Democrat old EU champion [untranslate-able term normally used for still revered ex-chamions in sports] Jean-Claude Juncker of Luxemburg springs to the mind of most EU bosses. ... "Juncker has experience and knows all the snares", says a German diplomat in Brussels. "But he will only tolerate weaker people besides him, and then get at loggerheads with EU Commission President Barroso. The two can't work together."
Der Portugiese José Manuel Barroso möchte im nächsten Jahr seine Amtszeit um fünf Jahre verlängern. Bei seiner Berufung 2004 war der Christdemokrat noch "Merkels Mann in Brüssel". Jetzt ist die Freundschaft der beiden merklich abgekühlt. Die EU-Kommission hat unter Barrosos Führung Klimaschutzziele vereinbart, die am Industriestandort Deutschland problematisch sind. Deshalb baut der Portugiese jetzt auf gute Beziehungen zu Sarkozy. Next year, the Portuguese José Manuel Barroso wants to extend his term in office by another five years. At the time of his appointment in 2004, the Christian Democrat counted as "Merkel's man in Brussels". Today, the friendship of the two has noticeably cooled down. The EU Commission agreed to climate protection goals under Barroso's leadership, which are problematic for Germany's industry. For that reason, the Portuguese now counts on good elations to Sarkozy.


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 07:47:01 AM EST
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Fogh is Bliar light. If Bliar doesn't fly, neither will Fogh. Besides, unlike Bliar, Fogh is kinda busy breaking a country.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 01:53:03 AM EST
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I think what Blair really wants is to be president of the EU in accordance with the Bush/Cheney version of the unitary executive theory.I have yet to understand the fine philosophical line between that one and the Führerprinzip. Maybe Godwin could help me understand it.

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by A swedish kind of death on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 08:48:25 PM EST
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I also agree with Frank, the petition should be non-partisan.
by The3rdColumn on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 08:40:35 PM EST
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What about "of all origins and of all convictions" ?

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:48:53 AM EST
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Re "of all origins and of all convictions" ? Sounds to me quite neutral and palatable.
by The3rdColumn on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 07:28:25 AM EST
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I agree, it is quite clearly an anti-war, pro-European petition. So we won't convince many pro-war but anti blair eurosceptics to sign it. Politics is not a bad thing, tho'
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 06:22:20 AM EST
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Do pro-war anti-Bliar people exist? I sure don't know any. Also, I think the euroskeptics might surprise you. I think their dislike for Bliar and their sense of realpolitik is stronger than their dislike for the Union.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 01:57:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Do pro-war anti-Bliar people exist?

They're also known as the Tory party :-)
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 02:49:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]
We must also discuss what kind of dissemination strategy we adopt. Should we send it to "friendly" organisations? Should we organise an e-mailing using the ET e-mail address? I think we should wait to have gathered enough signatures before sending it to members of institutions like MEPs except if we know theme personally.

We need some people who are able to answer the press for questions, especially if we plan to do press releases after enough signatures - should we ?

Viral marketings through blog comments and forum participation could be useful too.

Also, not only do we need a server, but also a domain name, which is an important choice. NoToTonyBlair.eu ?

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 08:21:24 PM EST
I can help out in Brussels.
by The3rdColumn on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 08:42:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It'd be nice to specifically be able to contact the Brussels correspondents who are likely the ones following the EU presidency bid.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 08:44:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I agree with you about the domain name. We should secure it quickly.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:09:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes, good choice for a domain name. A whois search shows it's free. Jerome, are you Ok to register it?

You're clearly a dangerous pinko commie pragmatist.
by Vagulus on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 06:26:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]
stopblair.eu is better IMHO
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 06:27:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I think StopBlair.eu is also good, and shorter, and it's currently free as well.

You're clearly a dangerous pinko commie pragmatist.
by Vagulus on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 06:29:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Hosting and registration requests are best directed at Colman.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 06:43:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Pick one. Will sort immediately.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 06:47:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Registered both
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 07:21:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I also vote for StopBlair.eu.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 07:23:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Me too ! Me too !

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 11:26:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Domain: stopblair.eu would be short and multilingual.

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu
by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:38:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]
we should personalise this issue the least. the point is not his character, but his actions.

he always sold himself as a person, not as a politician.

by findmeaDoorIntoSummer on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 11:54:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I tried to do the German version word for word now and have run into some difficulties.

1. increasingly insistent news reports have made evident a wish, in some quarters, to see Tony Blair appointed the first President of the European Council.

News would be Nachrichten and reports Meldungen, but there's no such thing as a Nachrichtenmeldung. Also, I'm not sure how to do this whole "have made evident a wish, in some quarters, to see appointed" construction.

2. This appointment, were it to take place, would be in total contradiction with the values professed by the European project.

A project can't really profess something, can it?

3. Fabricated evidence

There's no word for evidence in German, a fact that I've regretted before. Beweis is too strong, Hinweis too weak and both don't mean hard facts. And "fabricated" is hard, too, "künstlich erzeugt", "gefälscht", "bewusst irreführend", "unecht", ,,falsch"?

Suggestions?

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu

by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:41:17 AM EST
That's the way it looks now.

Petition gegen die Nominierung von Tony Blair zum Präsidenten der Europäischen Union

Wir, die europäischen Bürger jeglicher Herkunft und aller politischer Lager möchten unseren entschiedenen Widerstand gegen die Nominierung von Tony Blair zum Präsidenten des Europäischen Rates zum Ausdruck bringen.

Im Rahmen des Vertrags von Lissabon ist vorgesehen, das Amt des Vorsitzenden des Europäischen Rates einzuführen, gewählt von den Mitgliedern des Rates für maximal zwei Amtszeiten von je zweieinhalb Jahren Dauer. Laut den Bestimmungen des Vertrags führt der Präsident des Europäischen Rates ,,den Vorsitz bei den Arbeiten des Europäischen Rates und gibt ihnen Impulse" und sorgt ,,für die Vorbereitung und Kontinuität der Arbeiten des Europäischen Rates". Des Weiteren nimmt der Präsident des Europäischen Rates ,,auf seiner Ebene und in seiner Eigenschaft die Außenvertretung der Union in Angelegenheiten der Gemeinsamen Außen- und Sicherheitspolitik wahr".¹

Der künftige Präsident des Europäischen Rates wird also eine Schlüsselrolle bei der Festlegung der Politik der Europäischen Union und in ihren Außenbeziehungen einnehmen. Dieser ersten Ratspräsidentschaft kommt auch ein großes symbolisches Gewicht zu, sowohl für die Bürger der Europäischen Union als auch für das Ansehen der Union in der Welt. Aus dieser Perspektive erscheint es uns wichtig, dass der erste Präsident den Geist und die Werte des europäischen Projekts verkörpert.

Seit einiger Zeit offenbaren immer hartnäckigere Meldungen den Wunsch mancher, dass Tony Blair zum ersten Präsident des Europäischen Rates ernannt wird. Diese Ernennung, sollte sie stattfinden, stünde in krassem Widerspruch zu den im europäischen Projekt erklärten Werten.

Tony Blair hat sein Land unter Verletzung internationalen Rechts an einem Krieg beteiligt, den eine große Mehrheit der europäischen Bürger ablehnte. Dieser Krieg hat Hunderttausende von Opfern gefordert, Millionen zu Flüchtlingen gemacht, trug wesentlich zur aktuellen Destabilisierung des Mittleren Ostens sowie zu einer verschärften Weltsicherheitslage bei. Um sein Land in den Krieg führen zu können, bediente er sich in systematischer Weise gefälschter Beweise und der Manipulation von Informationen. Sollte er tatsächlich zum Präsidenten ernannt werden, würde seine Rolle im Irakkrieg das Ansehen der Union in der Welt schwer belasten.

Die Maßnahmen, die die Regierung von Tony Blair getroffen hat und seine Komplizenschaft mit der Bush-Administration im Rahmen des illegalen Programms der "Sonderüberstellungen" (auch bekannt als ,,CIA- Flüge") haben zu einer beispiellose Einschränkung der Freiheiten der europäischen Bürger geführt, was im Widerspruch zu den Bestimmungen der Europäischen Konvention zum Schutz der Menschenrechte steht, die integraler Bestandteil des Vertrages ist.

Die Charta der Grundrechte der Europäischen Union formalisiert die Grundwerte des europäischen Projekts und ist eine der Säulen des neuen Vertrags. Tony Blair bekämpfte ihre Integration in den Vertrag von Lissabon und hat letztlich erreicht, dass die Charta im Vereinigten Königreich nicht gültig ist.

Statt die europäische Integration voranzutreiben, stemmte sich der ehemalige britische Premierminister während der Vertragsverhandlungen gegen jeden Fortschritt auf den Gebieten der Sozialpolitik, der Steuern, der gemeinsamen Verteidigung und der Außenpolitik.²

Außerdem können wir es uns nur schwer vorstellen, dass der erste Präsident des Europäischen Rates der ehemalige Chef einer Regierung sein sollte, die ihr Land an zwei Schlüsselelementen des Aufbaus Europas nicht beteiligt hat: dem Schengen-Raum des freien Personenverkehrs und der Eurozone.

Zu einer Zeit, in der es eine der Prioritäten der europäischen Institutionen ist, sich den Bürgern anzunähern, erscheint es uns als unabdingbar, dass der Präsident des Europäischen Rates eher eine Person ist, mit der sich eine Mehrheit der Bürger identifizieren kann, als eine, die von einer Mehrheit abgelehnt wird.³ Deshalb erklären wir unseren ausdrücklichen Widerstand gegen diese Nominierung.

  1. Vertrag von Lissabon, Artikel 9b, Absatz 5 und 6 (2007/C 306/01)
  2. ,,Blair sets out EU treaty demands", BBC, June 2007 ↑
  3. Table 6 in der FT/Harris Umfrage, June 2007 ↑

Link to the German Lisbon Treaty: http://bookshop.europa.eu/eubookshop/FileCache/PUBPDF/FXAC07306DEC/FXAC07306DEC_002.pdf


"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu
by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:45:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Okay, I approve of this message now (made some tiny edits). Put it up where it belongs.

Petition gegen die Nominierung von Tony Blair zum "Präsidenten der Europäischen Union"

Wir, die europäischen Bürger jeglicher Herkunft und aller politischer Überzeugungen möchten unseren entschiedenen Widerstand gegen die Nominierung von Tony Blair zum Präsidenten des Europäischen Rates zum Ausdruck bringen.

Im Rahmen des Vertrags von Lissabon ist vorgesehen, das Amt des Vorsitzenden des Europäischen Rates einzuführen, gewählt von den Mitgliedern des Rates für maximal zwei Amtszeiten von je zweieinhalb Jahren Dauer. Laut den Bestimmungen des Vertrags führt der Präsident des Europäischen Rates "den Vorsitz bei den Arbeiten des Europäischen Rates und gibt ihnen Impulse" und sorgt "für die Vorbereitung und Kontinuität der Arbeiten des Europäischen Rates". Des Weiteren nimmt der Präsident des Europäischen Rates "auf seiner Ebene und in seiner Eigenschaft die Außenvertretung der Union in Angelegenheiten der Gemeinsamen Außen- und Sicherheitspolitik wahr".¹

Der künftige Präsident des Europäischen Rates wird also eine Schlüsselrolle bei der Festlegung der Politik der Europäischen Union und in ihren Außenbeziehungen einnehmen. Dieser ersten Ratspräsidentschaft kommt auch ein großes symbolisches Gewicht zu, sowohl für die Bürger der Europäischen Union als auch für das Ansehen der Union in der Welt. Aus dieser Perspektive erscheint es uns wichtig, dass der erste Präsident den Geist und die Werte des europäischen Projekts verkörpert.

Seit einiger Zeit offenbaren immer hartnäckigere Meldungen den Wunsch mancher, dass Tony Blair zum ersten Präsidenten des Europäischen Rates ernannt wird. Diese Ernennung, sollte sie stattfinden, stünde in krassem Widerspruch zu den Werten des europäischen Projekts.

Tony Blair hat sein Land unter Verletzung internationalen Rechts an einem Krieg beteiligt, den eine große Mehrheit der europäischen Bürger ablehnte. Dieser Krieg hat Hunderttausende von Opfern gefordert, Millionen zu Flüchtlingen gemacht und trug wesentlich zur aktuellen Destabilisierung des Mittleren Ostens sowie zu einer verschärften Weltsicherheitslage bei. Um sein Land in den Krieg führen zu können, bediente sich Blair in systematischer Weise gefälschter Beweise und der Manipulation von Informationen. Sollte er tatsächlich zum Präsidenten ernannt werden, würde seine Rolle im Irakkrieg das Ansehen der Union in der Welt schwer belasten.

Die Maßnahmen, die die Regierung von Tony Blair getroffen hat, und seine Komplizenschaft mit der Bush-Administration im Rahmen des illegalen Programms der "Sonderüberstellungen" (auch bekannt als "CIA- Flüge") haben zu einer beispiellosen Einschränkung der Freiheiten der europäischen Bürger geführt, was im Widerspruch zu den Bestimmungen der Europäischen Konvention zum Schutz der Menschenrechte steht, die integraler Bestandteil des Vertrages ist.

Die Charta der Grundrechte der Europäischen Union formalisiert die Grundwerte des europäischen Projekts und ist eine der Säulen des neuen Vertrags. Tony Blair bekämpfte ihre Integration in den Vertrag von Lissabon und hat letztlich erreicht, dass die Charta im Vereinigten Königreich nicht gültig ist.

Statt die europäische Integration voranzutreiben, stemmte sich der ehemalige britische Premierminister während der Vertragsverhandlungen gegen jeden Fortschritt auf den Gebieten der Sozialpolitik, der Steuern, der gemeinsamen Verteidigung und der Außenpolitik.²

Außerdem können wir uns nur schwer vorstellen, dass der erste Präsident des Europäischen Rates der ehemalige Chef einer Regierung sein sollte, die ihr Land an zwei Schlüsselelementen des Aufbaus Europas nicht beteiligt hat: dem Schengen-Raum des freien Personenverkehrs und der Eurozone.

Zu einer Zeit, in der es eine der Prioritäten der europäischen Institutionen ist, sich den Bürgern anzunähern, erscheint es uns als unabdingbar, dass der Präsident des Europäischen Rates eher eine Person ist, mit der sich eine Mehrheit der Bürger identifizieren kann, als eine, die von einer Mehrheit abgelehnt wird.³ Deshalb erklären wir unseren ausdrücklichen Widerstand gegen diese Nominierung.

  1. Vertrag von Lissabon, Artikel 9b, Absatz 5 und 6 (2007/C 306/01)
  2. "Blair sets out EU treaty demands", BBC, Juni 2007
  3. Table 6 in der FT/Harris- Umfrage, Juni 2007

Link to the German Lisbon Treaty: http://bookshop.europa.eu/eubookshop/FileCache/PUBPDF/FXAC07306DEC/FXAC07306DEC_002.pdf


"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu
by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 07:40:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Ths is a quick reply (I'm off to a meeting soon):

  1. I think the way you put it above is perfect. (I had much more trouble finding a Hungarian equivalent of that construction.)

  2. Werten des Europäischen Projekts seems okay to me.


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:58:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]
How do you say "forged documents" in German?

We have discussed before the issues with the wordings "lies and manipulation" and decided to replace it with "fabricated evidence". I was thinking this morning that maybe we might just want to say "fixing the intelligence and facts around the policy" and add a footnote linking to the Downing Street Papers.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 04:37:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]
forged = gefälscht, which I've used for now. Verfälscht (partly forged/ falsified) is another option.
I agree that "lies" isn't diplomatic, but there aren't that many ways to say it differently. Maybe "deliberate misuse/ abuse of intelligence"?

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu
by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 05:02:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Also, re formulation "fixing the intelligence and facts around the policy" is clearly 'on record,' i.e., Downing Street Papers and has been the term widely used by mainstream media -- it is an accusation against Blair that has stuck and continues to stick.
by The3rdColumn on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 08:08:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]
In the Danish translation, I used the phrase 'provably forged intelligence.' 'Fabricated' evidence can be translated into either 'forged' or 'planted' evidence, and forged was what it was. The use of 'intelligence' instead of 'evidence' was to reflect the word predominantly used in the Danish "debate."

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 08:49:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]
3. Your choice of "gefälschte Beweise" seems OK, maybe "frisierte Beweise" works too.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 04:55:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]
"frisiert" is colloquial.

Hmm, I'll ask a friend or two.

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu

by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 05:08:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Promotion notes:

  1. I have made one final change to the draft, a minor but important one, which I hope is okay with both Melanchton and Migeru: to put "President of the European Union" in scare quotes in the title.

  2. I edited the intro text into two halves purely to reduce the above-fold part, without changes to content.

  3. Translators who copy the footnote html should take care to re-name the footnote id's in all 12 places. (But you don't have to bother about the html, we can do that later.)


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:51:12 AM EST
4. I just noted that Melanchthon changed the Treaty of Lisbon reference, but it wasn't correct: we are in Article 1, point 16 of the Treaty of Lisbon, which consists of an Article 9 B to be inserted into the Treaty on European Union. Complicated, but yeah, that was the drafters' goal. Reference edited accordingly.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 06:36:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Underskriftindsamling imod nomineringen af Tony Blair til formand for den Europæiske Union

Vi, de undertegnede europæiske borgere, ønsker uafhængigt af vor oprindelse og politiske tilknytning i øvrigt at udtrykke vor udelte modstand imod nomineringen af Tony Blair til posten som formand for det Europæiske Råd.

Under Lissabontraktaten oprettes formandsposten for det Europæiske Råd som en ny tillidspost i EU. Formanden vælges af Rådet og har et mandat der strækker sig over to et halvt år og højst kan fornyes en gang. Traktaten fastslår at formanden bl.a. "leder Det Europæiske Råds arbejde og giver det fremdrift" og "sikrer forberedelsen og kontinuiteten af Det Europæiske Råds arbejde". Ydermere fastslår traktaten at "Det Europæiske Råds formand varetager i denne egenskab på sit niveau Unionens repræsentation udadtil på de områder, der hører under den fælles udenrigs- og sikkerhedspolitik" [1].

Den fremtidige formand vil således have en nøglerole i udformningen af Unionens politik, og Unionens relationer til resten af verden. Det første formandskab vil desuden have stor signalværdi for såvel den Europæiske Unions borgere som resten af verden. Givet disse overvejelser mener vi at det er af største betydning at denne første formand afspejler ånden og værdierne i det europæiske projekt.

Der har nu i et stykke tid i pressen været stadig stærkere indikationer af et ønske, i visse kredse, om at se Tony Blair udpeget som den første formand for den Europæiske Union. En sådan udpegelse ville være aldeles i modstrid med de værdier der ligger til grund for det europæiske projekt

Tony Blair trak, i strid med international lov, sit land ind i en krig i Irak som et massivt flertal af Europas borgere var og er modstandere af. Denne krig har kostet i hundredetusindvis døde og sårede civile og har drevet millioner på flugt. Den har bidraget væsenligt til den dybe destabilisering af Mellemøsten og skadet fred og sikkerhed i verden. I optakten til krigen vildledte Blair systematisk offentligheden ved hjælp af beviseligt forfalskede efterretninger. Hans rolle i Irak ville virke stærkt tyngende på Unionens gode navn og rygte i verden såfremt han blev udpeget til formand.

De skridt Tony Blairs regering siden har taget i "krigen mod terror," såvel som hans meddelagtighed i George Bushs ulovlige fængslinger, har ført til hidtil usete indgreb i de demokratiske frihedsrettigheder. Dette er i direkte modstrid med den Europæiske Menneskerettighedskonvention, der er en central del af Lissabontraktaten.

Den Europæiske Unions charter om grundlæggende rettigheder formaliserer de grundlæggende værdier i det europæiske projekt og er en vigtig del af fundamentet for den nye traktat. Tony Blair kæmpede imod chartrets indlemmelse i Lissabontraktaten og sikrede i sidste ende Storbritannien et forbehold overfor forpligtelserne i chartret.

I stedet for at fremme europæisk integration opstillede den tidligere britiske premierminister en række såkaldt 'røde linier' under forhandlingerne om Lissabontraktaten [2], med den hensigt at blokere alle fremskridt indenfor socialpolitik imod en harmonisering af skattepolitikken, såvel som forhindre den europæiske union i at formulere en fælles udenrigs- og sikkerhedspolitik.

Ydermere forekommer det utænkeligt at den første formand for den Europæiske Union skulle være en tidligere statsleder hvis regering holdt sit land udenfor to vigtige dele af det europæiske samarbejde: Eurozonen og Schengen-samarbejdet om fri bevægelighed over grænserne.

I en tid hvor et af de højt prioriterede områder indenfor det europæiske samarbejde er at genskabe kontakten mellem Unionens institutioner og Europas borgere mener vi at det er af største vigtighed at formanden ikke er en person som flertallet af de europæiske borgere er afvisende overfor [3].

Af ovennævnte grunde erklærer vi vor udelte modstand imod Tony Blairs nominering.

[1] Lissabontraktaten, artikel 9B, styk 5 og 6.
[2] Blair sets out EU treaty demands, BBC, juni 2007
[3] Table 6 i FT/Harris poll, june 2007

I've changed the last paragraph in several ways for the Danish translation: First, I've changed the "priorities of the European institutions is to reconnect with its citizens" into something more along the lines of "priorities in European co-operation is to reconnect the Union's institutions with Europe's citizens" in order to reflect the way this project has been phrased in the Danish political debate. Second, I removed the reference to the ability to 'identify with,' because that sounds silly in Danish (I think it sounds silly in English too, but doubly so in Danish). Third, I split the last sentence into a separate paragraph for emphasis and to give a more natural flow to the text.

The rest is otherwise as closely in line with the original as any translation can be.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:57:54 AM EST
The scare quotes added while I was typing should go around 'formand for den Europæiske Union.' The word 'formand' could be exchanged with 'præsident' either choice would be controversial in Denmark - the former is the word used by the pro-treaty parties, the latter is used by the eurosceptics.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 04:04:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You have the term præsident in Danish. What term do you usually use to describe foreign presidents?

(e.g. Bush; Sarkozy)

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 06:29:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The term "præsident" is used to describe - say - Sarkozy or Bush. But the word "præsident" does not appear in the Danish version of the Lisbon treaty, except in reference to the Court - presumably to avoid charges from Euroskeptics of creating the United States of Europe. The term 'formand' (chairman) is universally used where 'præsident' could have been applicable.

From a purely semantic point of view, both are possible in Danish: The person who heads, say, a board of directors can be either president or chairman, although chairman the more common usage. We tend to reserve the term "præsident" for presidents of actual states, which the Union officially is not.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 09:03:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I think it's better to use the word which appears in the Danish version of the treaty.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 09:11:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]
That's what I figured too, so that's what I used. But if we're putting it in scare quotes anyway to indicate that we're talking about the public perception of the position, then præsident might actually be closer to home. I don't know. The treaty itself didn't get a lot of press coverage (the focus was on the parliamentary games over whether we were going to get a referendum on it), so there's no terminology with real public name-recognition.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 09:19:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The Danish version of the treaty is not legally relevant. The only official languages are German, French and English. The ECJ goes by those, mostly by the French version.

I had/have the same issue with the Dutch version. I think the translation ("voorzitter") is euphemistic, so I would not like to use it.

In German it is also possible to use the term 'Vorsitzende', but the treaty simply says 'Präsident'.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:28:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
That is not my understanding of the legal status. AFAIK (but IANAL) in any given country, the official local translation takes precedence over the other versions. Of course, in the day-to-day workings of the European institutions - and very much in our international affairs - the versions you mention will be the working papers.

As I said, a case can be made for using both, and either will be viewed as politicising by one or more camps in the domestic Danish debate. That being said, a 'råd' (counsil) does not, in usual Danish parlance, have a 'præsident' (president) - it has a 'formand' (chairman). A court or a country has a president.

As such, in the title, 'præsident' may be more appropriate for the meaning we want to convey, but in the bulk text - where the context is clearly the European Counsil - chairman is the appropriate word, both relative to the treaty and according to normal Danish conventions. Calling it president would stick out far more than in other languages.

And I'm not sure that we want to have ambiguities in the wording by using two different words for the same post. So in the end I'll have to throw in with chairman.

The use of chairman instead of president is likely to piss off euroskeptics, but many Danish euroskeptics are going to be inclined to sign it anyway if they see it, because Tony Bliar isn't particularly popular with most Danish euroskeptics (and those he is popular with are going to be pissed off with the paragraphs about Vietraq anyway). Pissing off the eurocentrists would be a more dicey proposition, because they don't seem to me to hold Bliar in quite as high disregard.

Now, on the political side of things, of course it's an euphemism, and a transparent one at that, and for the record, I sympathise with your disgust at the use of such transparent propaganda schemes. But that's kinda beside the point here. Not getting Bliar in a big-wig role in the Union leadership is the point, irrespective of my stand on other Union matters. And retiring Bliar - preferably to a sunny beach somewhere near Basra - is a deal more important to me than whatever semantic objections I might have to the text.

Anyway, it's a simple change to make - neither 'formand' nor 'præsident' appear in any other sense in the text, so the final editors can simply do a global search-replace with them if they so please.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 01:46:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Would it be bad to use præsident in the title, though? The title is supposed to be in scare quotes either way. And Tony Blair will probably be reported as præsident in the news anyway.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 06:09:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 06:13:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I second your suggestion. Præsident in the scare quotes in the title, formand everywhere else.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 07:08:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Given the news reports quoted above, I agree that 'præsident' is suitable for the title.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 07:26:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Excellent. I'll do the same for the Dutch version.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 07:54:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]
We tend to reserve the term "præsident" for presidents of actual states, which the Union officially is not.

Yes. That is precisely the problem. The term used is euphemistic, and probably purely employed for political reasons, without actually having any significance.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:32:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re-posted final Hungarian version below; and I soon add a note about the Lisbon Treaty reference:

Petíció Tony Blair "Európai Unió elnöké"-vé jelölése ellen

Mi, különféle származású és politikai meggyőződésű európai polgárok, szeretnénk kifejezni, hogy teljes mértékben elutasítjunk Tony Blair-nek az Európai Tanács elnöki tisztére történő jelölését.

A Lisszaboni Szerződés újonnan létrehozza az Európai Tanács elnöki tisztjét, eme két és fél éves időtartamra szóló, egyszer megújítható megbízatásról a Tanács szavazással dönt. A Szerződés értelmében az Európai Tanács elnöke "elnököl az Európai Tanács ülésein, és lendületed ad munkájának" és "gondoskodik az Európai Tanács munkájának előkészítéséről és folyamatosságáról". Továbbá, "Az Európai Tanács elnöke - a saját szintjén és e minőségében ... - ellátja az Unió külső képviseletét a közös kül- és biztonságpolitikához tartozó ügyekben"¹.

Az Európai Tanács jövendő elnöke következésképp kulcsszerepet fog játszani az Únió politikájának és a világ többi részével való kapcsolatának meghatározásában. Ezen első elnökségnek nagy szimbolikus jelentősége is lesz, mind az Európai Únió polgárai szemében, mind pedig az Únió imázsában a világ többi részében. Ezt tekintetbe véve úgy hisszük, alapvetően fontos, hogy az első elnök megtestesítse az európai projekt szellemét és értékeit.

Egy ideje egyre makacsabb híradások utalnak arra, hogy egyes körök azt szeretnék, ha Tony Blairt neveznék ki az Európai Tanács első elnökének. E kinevezés, ha bekövetkezne, teljesen ellentétes lenne az európai projektben vallott értékekkel.

A nemzetközi törvényeket megszegve, Tony Blair elkötelezte országát egy iraki háború mellett, amit az európai polgárok nagy többsége ellenzett. E háború több százezer áldozatot követelt és milliók váltak miatta menekültté. Jelentős tényező volt a Közel-Kelet jelenlegi mélységes destabilizációjában, és gyengítette a világ biztonságát. Hogy háborúba vezethesse országát, Blair rendszeresen haszált fel hamisított bizonyítékokat és manipulálta az információkat. Ha tényleg elnökké neveznék ki, az iraki háborúban játszott szerepe erősen rontaná az Únió imázsát a világban.

Tony Blair kormányának lépései, és a "különleges kiadatás" illegális programjában való bűnrészessége a Bush-kormány oldalán, a polgárjogok példa nélküli gyengüléséhez vezettek. Ez ellenkezik a Szerződés szerves részét képező Emberi Jogok Európai Egyezményének kikötéseivel.

Az Alapvető Jogok Európai Chartája formálissá teszi az európai projekt alapító értékeit, és az új Szerződés egyik alappillére. Tony Blair harcolt a Lisszaboni Szerződésbe foglalása ellen, és végül elérte, hogy az Egyesült Királyság mentesítve legyen alóla.

Ahelyett, hzogy előmozdította volna az európai integrációt, a volt brit miniszterelnök egy sor úgynevezett vörös vonalat jelölt ki a lisszaboni egyeztetések alatt², azzal a szándékkal, hogy meggátoljon bármilyen haladást a szociális ügyekben, az adóharmonizáció terén, s szintúgy a közös védelmi és külügyi politika terén.

Továbbá, elképzelhetetlennek tartjuk, hogy az Európai Tanács első elnöke egy olyan volt kormányfő legyen, aki kívül tartotta országát Európa építésének két fő eleméből: a személyek szabad mozgását biztosító schengeni térségből és az Eurózónából.

Éppen egy olyan időszakban, amikor az európai intézmények egyik prioritása az, hogy újra kapcsolatot teremtsenek polgáraikkal, mi úgy hisszük, hogy alapvetően fontos, hogy az Európai Tanács elnöke olyan személy legyen, akivel a polgárok többsége azonosulni tud, s nem pedig olyan, akit a többség elutasít³. Ezért kinyilvánítjuk, hogy ezt a jelöltséget teljes mértékben elutasítjunk.

  1. Lisszaboni Szerződés, 1. cikk 16. pont, az Európai Únióról szóló szerződést módosító 9B cikk (5) és (6) pontja (2007/C 306/17, 18)
  2. Blair sets out EU treaty demands, BBC, 2007 június
  3. Table 6 in FT/Harris poll, 2007 június


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 06:25:47 AM EST
I'll have a Dutch version up this evening. This text is final now, right? No more changes?

For the Polish version, I have a partial translation so far, need to apply further persuasion...

Otherwise, I recommend contacting the cafebabel.com people for more translations.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 06:33:53 AM EST
I recommend contacting the cafebabel.com people for more translations.

Once we receive the Polish version, I tnink we will have enough languages to launch the petition. And I don't think it would be wise to disseminate info about the petition before we have the site up and running.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 06:54:00 AM EST
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I'll have to wait this evening for a final version in Italian. Just to make sure the dust settles.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 07:46:13 AM EST
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You guys are amazing...

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 06:48:12 AM EST
Yep.

I was completely wrong about this - I thought there was a good chance it was going to be ignored by the MSM.

But it looks like it has some traction already. So another vote for amazing. (And where do I sign?)

I can do volunteer media duty in the UK if it's needed.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 04:37:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I thought we had gotten rid of him and now he's back with a vengeance. It's a sick joke of immeasurable dimensions, a Briton as president of the Council of Europe (is that the position?). In a just world, there would be a law against it. He would simply be an extension of Bush, just when the world will finally be able to give a huge sigh of relief at his departure. The warmonger Blair deserves only to appear in the dock at the International Criminal Court. What a horrid role this man has played in recent world history. Disgusting. The role of a violent weasel.
by Quentin on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 08:27:39 AM EST
That's exactly the reason why we launch this petition!

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 08:38:12 AM EST
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The Council of Europe and the European Council are not the same thing.

The Council of Europe is Europe's human rights supranational organization. Its basic treaty is the European Convention on Human Rights, which is distinct from the Charter of Fundamental Rights or the European Union. Blair's greatest achievement as Prime Minister will probably end up being the adoption of the Human Rights Act 1998, which he ironically spent considerable energy trying to undermine in the second half of his tenure just like he tried to undermine the EU's own Charter of Fundamental Rights. The Council of Europe created the European flag and allowed its use by other European institutions. The only country West of the Urals, and north of the caucasus not in the Council of Europe is Belarus.

The European Council or Council of the European Union is the EU institution representing the governments of the EU member states.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 08:41:25 AM EST
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I'll try to remember that. It won't be easy, with Europe and Council in almost every imaginable combination. Thanks.
by Quentin on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 01:01:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Petição contra a nomeação de Tony Blair como “Presidente da União Europeia“

Nós, cidadãos europeus de todas as origens e inclinações políticas, desejamos expressar a nossa oposiçao total à nomeação de Tony Blair à Presidência do Conselho da União Europeia.

O Tratado de Lisboa prevê a criação do cargo de Presidente do Conselho da União Europeia, a ser eleito  pelo Conselho para um mandato de dois anos e meio, renovável uma vez. Nos termos do Tratado: “O Presidente assegura a preparação e continuidade dos trabalhos do Conselho Europeu“ e  “O Presidente preside aos trabalhos do Conselho Europeu e dinamiza esses trabalhos“. Além disso, “O Presidente do Conselho Europeu assegura, ao seu nível e nessa qualidade, a representação externa da União nas matérias do âmbito da política externa e de segurança comum“.1

O futuro presidente terá portanto um papel chave na definição das políticas da União Europeia e nas relações desta com o resto do mundo. A primeira presidência possuirá ainda um peso simbólico particular, quer para os cidadãos da União Europeia, quer para a imagem da União no resto do mundo. Nesta perspectiva, parece-nos essencial que o primeiro presidente incarne o espírito e os valores do projecto europeu.

Desde há algum tempo, saem na imprensa artigos, cada vez mais frequentes, tornando evidente o desejo, por parte de alguns quadrantes, em fazer de Tony Blair o primeiro Presidente do Conselho da União Europeia. Esta nomeação, a acontecer, estaria em contradição total com os valores representados pelo projecto europeu.

Em violação do direito internacional, Tony Blair envolveu o seu país numa guerra no Iraque, guerra essa à qual se opôs a maioria dos cidadãos europeus. Uma guerra que fez centenas de milhares de vítimas e provocou milhões de desalojados. Que contribuiu para uma desestabilização profunda do Médio Oriente e erodiu a segurança mundial. De modo a conduzir o seu país à guerra, Blair fez uso sistemático de provas forjadas e de manipulação da informação. O seu papel na guerra do Iraque pesaria fortemente sobre a imagem da União no mundo, caso fosse ele eleito presidente.

As medidas tomadas pelo seu governo, bem como a sua cumplicidade com a administração Bush no programa ilegal de “entregas extraordinárias“ (conhecido como “vôos da CIA“) resultaram num recuo sem precedentes das liberdades civis, em contradição com os termos da Convenção Europeia dos Direitos do Homem, a qual é parte integrante do Tratado.

A Carta Europeia dos Direitos Fundamentais formaliza os valores fundadores do projecto europeu e constitui um dos pilares do novo tratado. Tony Blair lutou contra a sua integração no Tratado de Lisboa, e assegurou que não fosse aplicada no Reino Unido.

Ao invês de promover a integração europeia, o antigo primeiro-ministro britânico impôs uma série de “linhas vermelhas“ durante a negociação do tratado, com o intuito de bloquear qualquer progresso nas questões sociais e na harmonização fiscal, bem como nas políticas externa e de defensa comuns.2

Além disso, parece-nos impensável que o primeiro presidente da União Europeia seja o antigo chefe de um governo que manteve o seu país afastado de dois elementos chaves da construção da Europa: o espaço Schengen de livre circulação de pessoas e a zona Euro.

No momento em que uma das prioridades das instituições europeias é a reaproximação aos seus cidadãos, cremos ser fundamental que o Presidente do Conselho da União Europeia seja alguêm em quem o comum dos cidadãos possa identificar-se, não alguêm rejeitado pela sua maioria.3

Por tudo isto, declaramos a nossa oposição total a esta nomeação.

  1. Tratado de Lisboa, Artigo 1º, nº 16 - que insere o Artigo 9ºB no Tratado da União Europeia -, parágrafos 5 e 6.
  2. Blair sets out EU treaty demands, BBC, Junho de 2007.
  3.  Sondagem FT/Harris, tabela 6, Junho de 2007.

comments follow...

by findmeaDoorIntoSummer on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 10:50:43 AM EST
UNSOLICITED CHANGES

I have made ONE Important change - set the last sentence alone. Should not be difficult for you to undo.
Because the association of the concluding phrase to the last paragraph gaved too much weight to a single  argument (the last one).

There is one minor change, but a good one. For sake of clarity, in annotation (1) I've referenced both the Treaty of Lisboa article and the article the former changes in the Treaty of the European Union.

GENERAL QUESTION
Do you want us to send the text to you in a file, by email? if so, should it be in plain format, html format, or both?

COMMENTS as usual
1 - i don't think we should put the BBC article as a reference.
one should not compare the weight of the approved treaty, or even a major poll, to a newspaper article commenting the intentions of the PM.
After all, what is important is the reason why he did it.by inserting this comment our perspective loses stature.

2 - JakeS is right. Identification is not the right word for old europe. we are too much grown up and cynical for that. Respect, Trust, even Admiration those are proper words.1

So I proposed "At a time when one of the priorities of the European institutions is to reconnect with its citizens, we believe it is essential that the President of the European Council should be a person with whom a majority of citizens MAY RESPECT, rather than one rejected by a majority

(1) Delors would be the man.

PS: only now noticed that used the wrong html formatting. the text does not appear in a box.

by findmeaDoorIntoSummer on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 11:35:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]
make that "rejected by a LARGE majority."
by findmeaDoorIntoSummer on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 11:37:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Bravo everyone for this initiative and great work.

As for page design, it could be something ultra simple: white ground, perhaps a horizontal banner, with light grey drop shadow, to contain a title, choices for language preference and links: about, ET, references, sign the petition, etc.

Centered, fixed-width column for the petition text, with very pale grey ground, perhaps ... There probably ought to be a comments section, somewhere.

I made a quick logo, which may or may not be necessary. Could be that the EU flag would do the trick.

I you do think a logo/sign would be useful but don't like the above, give me a description of what you'd prefer. I'll see what I can do.

Also, let me know if a mock-up of the page might be useful.  

by Loefing on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 01:26:43 PM EST
I reserve judgement on the no-Blair logo, but the rest sounds good to me. I would suggest a field within the front page (or a link to an internal page) for news and updates about the petition. And yes, a mock-up of the page for ET to see would be great.  

You're clearly a dangerous pinko commie pragmatist.
by Vagulus on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 02:07:47 PM EST
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As I understand it, the petition may be published initially on a standard online petition site, but following is a design proposal we could discuss, in any case.

I tried to keep it simple, efficient and as legible as possible. Since the text is lengthy, I've put it in 2 columns, to avoid either excessive vertical scrolling or difficult-to-read, long lines. Of course the user will have to scroll a bit, to get back up to the top of the 2nd column, but in the English version there's actually relatively little text below the browser field.


Photobucket

The ET logo would be 'live' and could lead to a dedicated 'about' page relative to the petition itself or could bring up an ET page.

I notice going through the comments, again, that there are a few flags missing and possibly a few other links, too.

by Loefing on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 08:41:41 PM EST
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I like this presentation.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 08:51:24 PM EST
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It's <bare bones>, for sure, but I thought a neutral, kind of institutional look might be a reasonable starting point.
by Loefing on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 09:42:56 PM EST
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It looks very nice.

More flags : we should put all EU official languages, I think.

(bulgarski (BU) čeština (CZ) dansk (DK) Deutsch (DE) eesti (ET) elleniká (EL) English (EN) español (ES) français (FR) italiano (IT) latviešu (LV) lietuviu (LT) magyar (HU) Malti (MT) Nederlands (NL) polski (PL) portugues (PT) romana (RO) slovenčina (SK) slovenščina (SL) suomi (FI) svenska (SV)
)

Under the sign petition square, we'd need a couple links (a "who are we" blurb mentioning ET, a "press releases"  link (when/if we make any), a "press mentions" (we already have one !), a link to the signatories (maybe), with the number of signings (if we implement the signing ourselves), and a "contact us" line (to etg@eurotrib.com ?)

Looks really nice.

Do you have a CSS handy ? :) (If not, I'll implement it during the night)

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 09:00:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I think we should mention the languages for which we don't have a translation yet...

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 09:17:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Sorry: I think we should not mention the languages for which we don't have a translation yet.

Must go to bed....

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 09:18:34 PM EST
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The flag should link to a page nicely asking for a translation :)

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 09:19:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
And if I may ask, if you are not asleep yet, where you found the flags and the border between the main, light grey frame and the others ?

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 09:18:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Still here. :-\

Heck, I didn't save the page but my search request was something like 'Europe flags'. There were lots of results.

And, no. Sorry no CSS. I tend to rely on assistants for the tech side ...  

by Loefing on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 09:35:34 PM EST
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Found the flags, still looking for the dégradé...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 09:49:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I like it too!

I'm not sure this has been mentioned, but the signature page will need to be translated, too, or it can be a multilingual one: Surname/Nom/Cognome/etc.

You're clearly a dangerous pinko commie pragmatist.

by Vagulus on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 09:12:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Question to the expert: would the flags not be placed above the text, in the top-right quarter? Because with all the twenty-something flags in the bottom-left one, they become small.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 07:11:22 AM EST
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I don't this logo would enough consensual.

BTW, I sent you an e-mail

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 02:10:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Sorry!

I meant: I don't think this logo would be enough consensual...

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 02:11:48 PM EST
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Yes. I understand. It perhaps too militant.

Responded to your mail, btw.

Also, since the site seems to be getting a lot of traffic, possibly due to this initiative, if the logo suggestion seems contentious, feel free to have a gnome remove it or delete the comment altogether.

by Loefing on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:21:48 PM EST
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No, we won't censor it :-)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 04:21:45 PM EST
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I think the red circle with the bar through was perhaps over the top.

A circle of twelve gold five-pointed stars 'round his portrait, with perhaps four more in diagonal, left to right going down, might be more diplomatic.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 11:56:10 PM EST
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You arrive a little late. That's why I recommended that it might ought to be deleted.
by Loefing on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 03:34:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I know, I feel awful.

Not that this is a good excuse, but I've been sick and very busy with work.

If you like you could email me the undeneath photo and I can play with the photoshopping...

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 04:38:20 PM EST
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I'd be happy to, but it looks as though the petition has a life of its own, at this point.

I've been so busy today. Haven't had time to follow up on all of this.

Let's try to be better coordinated when the next petition comes around.

They need to rain down, a multitude of 1 million signatures at a time, on Brussels ...
 

by Loefing on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 06:40:43 PM EST
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This is the new Italian version. Some very minor differences to make it sound better. I'll check it again with a fresher mind.


Petizione contro la nomina di Tony Blair come "Presidente dell'Unione europea"

Noi, cittadini europei di ogni origine e appartenenza politica, desideriamo esprimere la nostra totale opposizione alla candidatura di Tony Blair alla presidenza dell'Unione Europea.

Il Trattato di Lisbona istituisce una nuova figura istituzionale: il presidente del consiglio dell'Unione europea eletto dal Consiglio con mandato di due anni e mezzo rinnovabile una sola volta.  In base al trattato, il presidente "presiede e anima i lavori del Consiglio europeo;" e "assicura la preparazione e la continuità dei lavori del Consiglio europeo." Inoltre, "Il presidente del Consiglio europeo assicura, al suo livello e in tale veste, la rappresentanza esterna dell'Unione per le materie relative alla politica estera e di sicurezza comune."

Il futuro presidente avrà dunque un ruolo chiave nel determinare la politica dell'Unione e nei rapporti con il resto del mondo. La prima investitura avrà un peso simbolico maggiore sia per i cittadini dell'Unione europea sia per l'immagine dell'Unione nel mondo. In tale prospettiva, crediamo che sia essenziale che il primo presidente incarni lo spirito e i valori del progetto europeo.

Da tempo voci insistenti esprimono il volere, in certi ambienti, di vedere Tony Blair scelto come primo presidente dell'Unione europea. Tale elezione, qualora dovesse accadere, sarebbe in totale contrasto con i valori professati nel progetto europeo.

In  violazione della legge internazionale, Tony Blair ha impegnato il suo paese nella guerra in Iraq, una guerra osteggiata dalla stragrande maggioranza dei cittadini europei. La guerra ha mietuto centinaia di migliaia di vittime e ha creato milioni di rifugiati. La guerra è stata una dei fattori principali della destabilizzazione del Medio Oriente e a compromesso la sicurezza mondiale. Per portare il suo paese in guerra, Tony Blair ha fatto un uso sistematico di prove artefatte e della manipolazione dell'informazione. Il suo ruolo nella guerra in Iraq peserebbe negativamente sull'immagine dell'Unione nel mondo qualora fosse eletto presidente.

I passi presi dal governo di Tony Blair e la sua complicità con l'amministrazione Bush nel programma illegale delle "extraordinary renditions" (consegne straordinarie), ha portato a un declino senza precedenti delle libertà e dei diritti civili, palesemente in contrasto con le norme della Convenzione europea dei diritti dell'uomo che è parte integrante del trattato.

La Carta dei diritti fondamentali dell'Unione europea formalizza i valori fondanti del progetto europeo ed è uno dei pilastri del nuovo trattato. Tony Blair ha osteggiato la sua inclusione nel Trattato di Lisbona e ha strappato un'esenzione per il Regno Unito.

Invece di promuovere l'integrazione europea, l'ex primo ministro ha posto dei pesanti paletti durante le trattative a Lisbona con l'intento di bloccare qualsiasi progresso su temi sociali e sull'armonizzazione fiscale nonché sulla difesa comune e la politica estera.

Inoltre appare insensato che il primo presidente dell'Unione europea sia stato in precedenza il capo di un governo che ha tenuto il suo paese fuori da due pilastri fondamentali della costruzione europea: la zona Schengen che regola il movimento libero dei popoli e l'Eurozone.

In un momento storico in cui una delle priorità delle istituzioni europee è di rinsaldare il contatto con i propri cittadini, ci pare essenziale che il presidente debba essere una personalità nella quale la maggioranza dei cittadini possa identificarsi, piuttosto che qualcuno inviso alla maggioranza degli europei. Per tanto, dichiariamo la nostra netta opposizione a questa nomina.

The Italian language link for footnote(1)is:


Trattato di Lisbona, Articolo 9 B, paragrafi 5 e 6
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 05:36:11 PM EST
At this point I threw in a comma, changed one word "eletto" to "nominato" and put a small letter in place of a capital letter. Anything else? Well, I wrote, "delle libertà e dei diritti civili" to translate "in civil liberties" which literally sounds strange in Italian. "Liberties" has a very bad name in Italy these past years.

As for the first footnote, I have put in two links for the Italian version, the first to the Treaty frontpage and the second link to Article 1 of the Treaty.


Petizione contro la nomina di Tony Blair come "Presidente dell'Unione europea"

Noi, cittadini europei di ogni origine e appartenenza politica, desideriamo esprimere la nostra totale opposizione alla candidatura di Tony Blair alla presidenza dell'Unione europea.

Il Trattato di Lisbona istituisce una nuova figura istituzionale: il presidente del consiglio dell'Unione europea eletto dal Consiglio con mandato di due anni e mezzo rinnovabile una sola volta.  In base al trattato, il presidente "presiede e anima i lavori del Consiglio europeo;" e "assicura la preparazione e la continuità dei lavori del Consiglio europeo." Inoltre, "Il presidente del Consiglio europeo assicura, al suo livello e in tale veste, la rappresentanza esterna dell'Unione per le materie relative alla politica estera e di sicurezza comune."

Il futuro presidente avrà dunque un ruolo chiave nel determinare la politica dell'Unione e nei rapporti con il resto del mondo. La prima investitura avrà un peso simbolico maggiore, sia per i cittadini dell'Unione europea sia per l'immagine dell'Unione nel mondo. In tale prospettiva, crediamo che sia essenziale che il primo presidente incarni lo spirito e i valori del progetto europeo.

Da tempo voci insistenti esprimono il volere, in certi ambienti, di vedere Tony Blair scelto come primo presidente dell'Unione europea. Tale elezione, qualora dovesse accadere, sarebbe in totale contrasto con i valori professati nel progetto europeo.

In  violazione della legge internazionale, Tony Blair ha impegnato il suo paese nella guerra in Iraq, una guerra osteggiata dalla stragrande maggioranza dei cittadini europei. La guerra ha mietuto centinaia di migliaia di vittime e ha creato milioni di rifugiati. La guerra è stata una dei fattori principali della destabilizzazione del Medio Oriente e a compromesso la sicurezza mondiale. Per portare il suo paese in guerra, Tony Blair ha fatto un uso sistematico di prove artefatte e della manipolazione dell'informazione. Il suo ruolo nella guerra in Iraq peserebbe negativamente sull'immagine dell'Unione nel mondo qualora fosse nominato presidente.

I passi presi dal governo di Tony Blair e la sua complicità con l'amministrazione Bush nel programma illegale delle "extraordinary renditions" (consegne straordinarie), ha portato a un declino senza precedenti delle libertà e dei diritti civili, palesemente in contrasto con le norme della Convenzione europea dei diritti dell'uomo che è parte integrante del trattato.

La Carta dei diritti fondamentali dell'Unione europea formalizza i valori fondanti del progetto europeo ed è uno dei pilastri del nuovo trattato. Tony Blair ha osteggiato la sua inclusione nel Trattato di Lisbona e ha strappato un'esenzione per il Regno Unito.

Invece di promuovere l'integrazione europea, l'ex primo ministro ha posto dei pesanti paletti durante le trattative a Lisbona con l'intento di bloccare qualsiasi progresso su temi sociali e sull'armonizzazione fiscale nonché sulla difesa comune e la politica estera.

Inoltre appare insensato che il primo presidente dell'Unione europea sia stato in precedenza il capo di un governo che ha tenuto il suo paese fuori da due pilastri fondamentali della costruzione europea: la zona Schengen che regola il movimento libero dei popoli e l'Eurozone.

In un momento storico in cui una delle priorità delle istituzioni europee è di rinsaldare il contatto con i propri cittadini, ci pare essenziale che il presidente debba essere una personalità nella quale la maggioranza dei cittadini possa identificarsi, piuttosto che qualcuno inviso alla maggioranza degli europei. Per tanto, dichiariamo la nostra netta opposizione a questa nomina.


by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 05:29:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Trattato di Lisbona, modifiche del trattato sull'Unione europea Articolo 1, comma 16: è inserito articolo 9B, paragrafi 5 e 6. (2007/C 306/17, 18)
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 05:38:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]
See the "Stop Blair" FP story for the other things to translate and the way to make it easiest to put online...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 05:51:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Are you referring to the other two footnotes? Should I send it all by email or will this do? As far as html source goes I don't know how to go about it. No firefox.


  1. Blair sets out EU treaty demands, BBC, giugno 2007
  2. Tavola 6 del sondaggio FT/Harris, giugno 2007

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 06:20:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]
IE7 (and probably all other browsers) can show the source with using show/source or similar.

If you can't edit the source, still do the translation of these :

What's needed is translation for the left columsn, the "Stop Blair!" bit, and the html title (seen on the browser title bar).

http://stopblair.eu/indexit.html

mustn't have a word of english left...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 06:28:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]
either that or save the page, then open it in Notepad

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 06:32:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Or if you don't know how to get the browser to display the code, you can download the page (right-click on the link and save-as) and then open with NOTEPAD, WordPad or EMACS.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 12:58:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]


Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.
by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 01:10:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]
de Gondi:
Da tempo voci insistenti esprimono il volere, in certi ambienti, di vedere Tony Blair scelto come primo presidente dell'Unione europea. Tale elezione, qualora dovesse accadere, sarebbe in totale contrasto con i valori professati nel progetto europeo.
The English version says "news reports" now. Should I say notizie in the Italian version?

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 07:51:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Effectively, my phrase puts more emphasis on the favourable opinions towards Blair rather than the reporting of those favourable opinions. I'll have to reword the sentence if "notizie" is used. The phrase comes off more direct than English usage.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 12:24:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Da tempo ripetute notizie esprimono il volere, in certi ambienti, di vedere Tony Blair scelto come primo presidente dell'Unione europea. Tale elezione, qualora dovesse accadere, sarebbe in totale contrasto con i valori professati nel progetto europeo.

But notizie insistenti will do.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 04:05:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
de Gondi:
Inoltre appare insensato che il primo presidente dell'Unione europea sia stato in precedenza il capo di un governo che ha tenuto il suo paese fuori da due pilastri fondamentali della costruzione europea: la zona Schengen che regola il movimento libero dei popoli e l'Eurozone.
Don't you say la zona Euro in Italian?

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 07:53:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]
"Eurozone" is an anglicism that is now in common usage here. "la zona Euro" is also correct but it seems in disuse in the press.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 12:16:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It's not an Anglicism, the word combination works in several languages. In Hungarian, it's even that I have never seen it written separated.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 04:35:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Is there a list of Translations done and those that have been checked?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 06:28:08 PM EST
We will put them in a Frontpage story tomorrow morning.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 06:39:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Was just wondering in case there are any that need checking, or translating, and I can lay hands on a translator.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 08:21:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]
As noted in the last thread, comments from Dutch speakers are more than welcome.
Petitie tegen het benoemen van Tony Blair als "President van de Europese Unie"

Wij, Europese burgers van alle komaf en alle politieke overtuigingen willen onze complete tegenstand uitspreken tegen de nominatie van Tony Blair voor het presidentschap van de Europese Raad.

Het Verdrag van Lissabon regelt de nieuwe positie van president van de Europese Raad. De president wordt door de raad voor een periode van twee en een half jaar gekozen, en kan eenmaal worden herkozen. Het verdrag stelt "de president leidt en stimuleert de werkzaamheden van de Europese Raad" en "de president zorgt voor de voorbereiding en de continuïteit van de werkzaamheden van de Europese Raad". Verder zorgt de president van de Europese Raad "op zijn niveau en in zijn hoedanigheid voor de externe vertegenwoordiging van de Unie in aangelegenheden die onder het gemeenschappelijk buitenlands en veiligheidsbeleid vallen"(1).

De toekomstige president heeft daardoor een sleutelrol in het bepalen van het beleid van de Europese Unie en de betrekkingen van de EU met de rest van de wereld. Het eerste presidentschap van de Raad zal ook een enorm symbolisch gewicht hebben, zowel voor de burgers van de EU als ook voor het beeld dat van de EU wordt gevormd in de rest van de wereld. In dit licht achten wij het van essentieel belang dat de eerste President de geest en de waarden van het Europese project ook zelf uitdraagt.

Sinds enige tijd verschijnen er hardnekkig nieuwsberichten over de wens, die in sommige kringen bestaat, om Tony Blair als eerste President van de Europese Raad te benoemen. Deze benoeming, zo zij plaats zou vinden, zou in complete tegenspraak zijn met de waarden die door het Europese project gedragen worden.

In schending van internationaal recht heeft Tony Blair zijn land ten oorlog gevoerd in Irak, een oorlog die door het merendeel van de Europese burgers werd verworpen. Deze oorlog heeft honderduizenden het leven gekost en miljoenen tot vluchteling gemaakt. Het heeft in hoge mate tot de huidige diepgaande destabilisering van het Midden-Oosten bijgedragen, en heeft de veiligheid van de wereld verminderd. Om zijn land ten oorlog te voeren heeft Tony Blair systematisch gebruik gemaakt van vervalst bewijs en het manipuleren van informatie. Zijn rol in oorlog in Irak zou zwaar op het imago van de Unie in de wereld wegen als hij in feite tot President zou worden benoemd.

De stappen die Tony Blair's regering heeft genomen en zijn medeplichtigheid met de administratie van George W. Bush in het illegale "extraordinary renditions" programma hebben tot een ongekende uitholling van burgerlijke vrijheden geleid. Dit is in tegenspraak met de voorwaarden van het Europees Verdrag voor de Rechten van de Mens, dat een integraal deel van het Verdrag van Lissabon uitmaakt.

Het Europese grondrechtenhandvest formaliseert de waarden die ten grondlag liggen aan het Europese project en is één van de pijlers van het nieuwe Verdrag. Tony Blair heeft tegen het opnemen van het grondrechtenhandvest in het Verdrag van Lissabon gevochten en uiteindelijk een uitzondering voor het Verenigd Koninkrijk weten te bemachtigen.

In plaats van de Europese integratie verder te helpen heeft de voormalige Britse premier tijdens de onderhandelingen over Lissabon een aantal zogenoemde rode lijnen getrokken(2), met het doel om vooruitgang op het gebied van sociale politiek, belasting, gemeenschappelijke defensie en buitenlands beleid te blokkeren.

Verder schijnt het ondenkbaar dat de eerste President van de Europese Unie een vooralig hoofd van de regering zou zijn dat haar land buiten twee van de belangrijkste elementen van het Europese bouwerk heeft gehouden: de Schengen-ruimte van vrije beweging en de eurozone.

In een tijdperk waar het één van de prioriteiten van de Europese instituties is om de verbinding met de burger te herstellen vinden wij het van essentieel belang dat hun president een persoon is waarmee de meerderheid van de burgers zich kan identificeren, in plaats van één die door de meerderheid verworpen wordt (3). Daarom verklaren wij onze complete tegenstand tegen de nominatie van Tony Blair.

(1) Verdrag van Lissabon, Artikel 1, punt 16, betreffende de invoeging van artikel 9b in het EU Verdrag, sub 5 en 6. Zie ook commentaar.
(2)
(3)

[Commentaar: In de Nederlandse vertaling van het Verdrag van Lissabon wordt de president van de Raad eufemistisch 'voorzitter' genoemd. Men kan het woord 'president' vertalen hoe men wil; uiteindelijk zijn toch alleen de Franse, Duitse en Engelse versies van het verdrag rechtsgeldig. In alle drie wordt de president gewoon 'president' genoemd.]

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 09:46:02 PM EST
Hopefully final translation:
Petitie tegen het benoemen van Tony Blair als "President van de Europese Unie"

Wij, Europese burgers van alle komaf en alle politieke overtuigingen willen onze complete tegenstand uitspreken tegen de nominatie van Tony Blair voor het voorzitterschap van de Europese Raad.

Het Verdrag van Lissabon regelt de nieuwe positie van voorzitter van de Europese Raad. De voorzitter wordt door de raad voor een periode van twee en een half jaar gekozen, en kan eenmaal worden herkozen. Het verdrag stelt "de voorzitter leidt en stimuleert de werkzaamheden van de Europese Raad" en "de voorzitter zorgt voor de voorbereiding en de continuïteit van de werkzaamheden van de Europese Raad". Verder zorgt de voorzitter van de Europese Raad "op zijn niveau en in zijn hoedanigheid voor de externe vertegenwoordiging van de Unie in aangelegenheden die onder het gemeenschappelijk buitenlands en veiligheidsbeleid vallen"(1).

De toekomstige voorzitter heeft daardoor een sleutelrol in het bepalen van het beleid van de Europese Unie en de betrekkingen van de EU met de rest van de wereld. Het eerste voorziterschap van de Raad zal ook een enorm symbolisch gewicht hebben, zowel voor de burgers van de EU als ook voor het beeld dat van de EU wordt gevormd door de rest van de wereld. In dit licht achten wij het van essentieel belang dat de eerste voorzitter de geest en de waarden van het Europese project ook zelf uitdraagt.

Sinds enige tijd verschijnen er hardnekkig nieuwsberichten over de wens, die in sommige kringen bestaat, om Tony Blair als eerste voorzitter van de Europese Raad te benoemen. Deze benoeming, zo zij plaats zou vinden, zou in complete tegenspraak zijn met de waarden die door het Europese project gedragen worden.

In schending van internationaal recht heeft Tony Blair zijn land ten oorlog gevoerd in Irak, een oorlog die door het merendeel van de Europese burgers werd verworpen. Deze oorlog heeft honderduizenden het leven gekost en miljoenen tot vluchteling gemaakt. Het heeft in hoge mate tot de huidige diepgaande destabilisatie van het Midden-Oosten bijgedragen, en heeft de veiligheid van de wereld verminderd. Om zijn land ten oorlog te voeren heeft Tony Blair systematisch gebruik gemaakt van vervalst bewijs en het manipuleren van informatie. Zijn rol in oorlog in Irak zou zwaar op het imago van de Unie in de wereld wegen als hij in feite tot President zou worden benoemd.

De stappen die Tony Blair's regering heeft genomen en zijn medeplichtigheid met de administratie van George W. Bush in het illegale "extraordinary renditions" programma hebben tot een ongekende uitholling van burgerlijke vrijheden geleid. Dit is in tegenspraak met de voorwaarden van het Europees Verdrag voor de Rechten van de Mens, dat een integraal deel van het Verdrag van Lissabon uitmaakt.

Het Europese grondrechtenhandvest formaliseert de waarden die ten grondlag liggen aan het Europese project en is één van de pijlers van het nieuwe Verdrag. Tony Blair heeft tegen het opnemen van het grondrechtenhandvest in het Verdrag van Lissabon gevochten en uiteindelijk een uitzondering voor het Verenigd Koninkrijk weten te bemachtigen.

In plaats van de Europese integratie verder te helpen heeft de voormalige Britse premier tijdens de onderhandelingen over Lissabon een aantal zogenoemde rode lijnen getrokken(2), met het doel om vooruitgang op het gebied van sociale politiek, belasting, gemeenschappelijke defensie en buitenlands beleid te blokkeren.

Verder schijnt het ondenkbaar dat de eerste voorzitter van de Europese Raad een voormalig hoofd van de regering zou zijn dat haar land buiten twee van de belangrijkste elementen van het Europese bouwerk heeft gehouden: de Schengen-ruimte van vrije beweging en de eurozone.

In een tijdperk waar het één van de prioriteiten van de Europese instituties is om de verbinding met de burger te herstellen vinden wij het van essentieel belang dat de voorzitter van de Europese Raad een persoon is waarmee de meerderheid van de burgers zich kan identificeren, in plaats van één die door de meerderheid verworpen wordt (3). Daarom verklaren wij onze complete tegenstand tegen de nominatie van Tony Blair.

(1) Verdrag van Lissabon, Artikel 1, punt 16, betreffende de invoeging van artikel 9b in het EU Verdrag, sub 5 en 6. Zie ook commentaar.
(2) [link] BBC, Juni 2006
(3) Tabel 6 in de [link], Juni 2007

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 08:20:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]
This is probably the proudest thing I've seen to come from ET, I have to say really chapeau to Melanchthon for moving this initiative forward, and Jérôme for keeping the ball moving in general for so long.

One possible suggestion to us all, and to me as well, going forward; some of us (myself prominently too admittedly) sometimes make the occasional error of misspelling the former PM's surname, inverting in our understandable passion in blogging about Mr Blair the vowels in his name.

We might consider, in the interest of the potential for some inhabitual external exposure, making a better effort in our spelling, which orthographical inversion might be considered an unwarranted personal abuse we of course know to be purely accidental.

One final note - where do we get to sign? Hell, I'll even pen my real name.  

 

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 12:07:12 AM EST
The "thanks for the Times for spilling the beans a few days early" version will be up in a few hours, I think. When everybody gets up...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 12:28:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]
COngrats, cheers, felicitations, you guys are unblievable. Hurrah for eurotrib.

My two cents:

displaced millions of refugees

Aren't refugees people who flee a conflict zone? Webster gives 'One who flees to a shelter, or place of safety.' In that sense, isn't it wrong to say 'displace the refugee'? The war in iraq created the conditions that were fled. Ok, very minor, but i'm sure you guys want it all to be perfect. 'une guerre qui a engendre des millions de refugies would work for the french translation. I'm not that good in english... 'a war which turned millions into refugees'?

Also you have two consecutive sentences which end in
'the rest of the world'. The sencond one could become 'worlwide'. i think.

You boys are doing a great job. I'm truly impressed by the power of this community. You will succeed.

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine

by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 12:32:40 AM EST


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