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by Jerome a Paris Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 11:07:08 AM EST

You can watch my debate in English this morning at this link (the French one is here).

They seem to have liked my contribution since they've asked me to come again this evening for their big debate on the same topic at 7:15pm (1:15pm EST)...

I've fielded a few interviews today, so there might be more press coverage tomorrow, which I'll add here as it becomes available.


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Well done, Jerome.  You got most of your talking points across in your usual calm, phlegmatic, and authoritative manner.  The problem with the "confrontation" was that Pablo's English wasn't good enough to be intelligible even to native English speakers, and it was difficult to discern a coherent line of argument or position in his contributions.  You on the other hand - whilst eschewing simplistic "solutions" at least pointed out where solutions had to be found.

France 24 must find it hard to find truly fluent English speakers, if they are relying on Ppeople like Pablo.  I see a whole new career as a media commentator opening up for you!  

P.S. How do your employers feel about your new public notoriety? Perhaps they need a PR guy who can articulate a new public policy and present a more sympathetic face of banking?

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 11:33:08 AM EST
I don't think that was because of his English :-P

Does he have any kind of expertise on gas in general and Gazprom in particular, or was he just another belief tank shill?

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 01:28:21 PM EST
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My impression as well.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 01:44:42 PM EST
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Yes, it's not so much he was out of his depth, but that he'd been briefed with catch phrases and buzzwords for another discussion entirely. Hence the strange introduction of Georgia towards the end, as if he felt obliged to speak to his brief, even when it was irrelvant to the way the discussion unfolded.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 02:33:24 PM EST
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In other words, he was out of his depth. If all you can do is recite from a script you've been briefed on, that's a plea of nolo contendere on the question of your competence :-P

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 02:47:32 PM EST
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I think it was a bit of both being out of his depth/scripted and being much less comfortable with English than Jerome (whose English is great so long as he doesn't have to say "intermediaries" ;), but maybe the latter element was just nervousness.  No idea.

Clearly out of his depth, though.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:23:55 PM EST
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Well, he kept saying it was a "political problem", and in the end he had to say what that was supposed to mean. Strong-arm Russia against NATO. EU rubbish. Duh...
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 02:53:20 PM EST
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Can you tell us what's in this article in Danish about the crisis which quotes me extensively?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 02:47:05 PM EST
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The headline and summary:
French expert: the gas crisis between Ukraine and Russia is a bluff

The gas crisis is a theatre show, which covers up rich oligarchs' internal struggles, saya a french expert. For the Russians are in reality powerless, given that Ukraine has the gas pipelines.



Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 02:51:34 PM EST
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It's basically a newsiefied version of this Oil Drum post, sans most of the political analysis. The only notable political angle they kept was the UK peak oil - and they filed off the sharpest corners compared to the Oil Drum post.

You're introduced as an expert with a long experience of Russian-Ukrainian-European energy issues. No mention of your other political activities (which, since the target audience is engineers, is probably A Good Thing). The Oil Drum article gets a plug, which is nice. All the quotes sound like something you've said many times here and elsewhere (and they're quoted in a favourable context), so I think they're all kosher.

Your angle is the only one presented, which might account for the omission of "controversial" statements.

I can translate the quotes (or the whole article) if anyone's interested.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:17:02 PM EST
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the guy first contacted me to get approval to lift bits from the Oil Drum article, and sent me some additional questions, so this fits.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:28:31 PM EST
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That's what it says at the bottom: Interviewet med Jérôme Guillet er bygget op af henholdsvis mailkorrespondance mellem Ingeniøren og Guillet samt et indlæg af Guillet bragt i The Oil Drum (se link herunder)

The interview was conducted by e-mail together with your piece in the Oil Drum (which they link to).

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:49:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]


Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.
by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:49:45 PM EST
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First rate.

Unfortunately the opposition was not in the same class.

A bit like Chelsea playing Heanor Working Men's Club 2nd XI actually.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 11:43:04 AM EST
I thought it was a very strong showing; you came off as extremely authoritative (at one point Cerruti seems to ask you a question). I think you succeeded in determining the discourse throughout.

Who is this Cerruti guy and what is the Fondation Prometheus? (A "do tank"?)

And what was his rationale for saying "blame the EU"?

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 11:51:51 AM EST
the only mention I can find of a "Prometheus Foundation" is some religious group based in New York whose web page is somewhat lacking in specifics.

I almost laughed when Cerruti started on about the NATO angle and Jerome looked momentarily dismayed. He tried conflating this with Georgia/Ukraine/NATO and just looked silly.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 12:08:40 PM EST
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This is them. I had to google Cerruti to find it:

Fondation Prometheus

The Prometheus foundation was created at the end of 2005 on the initiative of a member of the French Parliament, Bernard Carayon, with the support of 10 major French groups belonging to the "strategic sectors" (energy, defence, health, ...) or involved in "strategic businesses" (banking and insurance).

It represents a privileged meeting point for university, economic, political and social actors. Dedicated to the analysis of issues to do with globalization, it develops operational and original tools.

But my French isn't good enough catch their drift.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 12:15:46 PM EST
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Their French website is headed as follows

Le Premier Do Thank Français
by Lily (put - lilyalmond - here <a> yahaah.france) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 12:33:52 PM EST
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I saw that but I couldn't figure out if they meant "Do" or "D'oh". :)

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 12:39:16 PM EST
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They want to be DOers not (just :)) THINKers.

The tHank appears to be an accident. With some more THINKing they might have DOne it right.

by Lily (put - lilyalmond - here <a> yahaah.france) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 01:50:20 PM EST
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BAR picked up a little essay by Paul Street about DO-er branding (a/k/a meme). Knowing some of what we know about the so-called political accomplishments of president-elect as well as the practable failures of public policy promoted by legislatures worldwide to enforce the "level playing field" of profit-maximizing enterprise, DO-ers appear consumate FAKE-ers.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:36:32 PM EST
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Thanks for the interesting link!
by Lily (put - lilyalmond - here <a> yahaah.france) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 05:37:02 PM EST
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Now that's just what I wanted to read on a cold and gray morning: a closely reasoned affirmation of everything I've been afraid of about Obama.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 04:10:01 AM EST
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Is it like the CAN SPAM act? Yes you can! Spam.
Can I tank? Please do tank!

Stupid retards.

A 'centrist' is someone who's neither on the left, nor on the left.

by nicta (nico&#65312;altiva&#8228;fr) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:44:43 PM EST
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Molodets.  

And I know I have said it before, but I just LOVE how you say "shady intermediaries."  hehe..

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 12:09:01 PM EST
good luck for tonight.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 12:09:11 PM EST
That's quite a long piece isn't it?  I can't hear the content but you held the discussion extremely well and didn't look flustered at all - unlike Pablo!  Well done.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 12:47:55 PM EST
Bravo. Two distinct types of irrelevance faced and handled well in the English and French shows.

The Prometheus Foundation has just this week been cordially pestering the NGO I work for to agree or disagree with the rating they are about to anoint us with for their "NGO Transparency barometer 2009".

So, that kind of foundation.

by MaBozza (greig.aitken AT gmail.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 01:48:25 PM EST
well just saw jerome, with a very English accent, and a lack of lipsyncing on the live TV.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 02:20:02 PM EST
I suspect they'll be running it here.  May have to check it out later.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:17:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
You cleaned Pablo's clock, but I think you could get more quickly to your main point - which as I see it is that the public fight is theater that obscures the real fight between oligarchs. If you can perhaps name those people, or give some detail on that, I think it would be even more powerful.

Your point about England is another good one as well, and perhaps you can find a quick way to summarize that too.

I really liked your point that it's easier to cast Russia as an enemy than to get our gas and energy policies in shape. That might be a good opening line.

The more I watch Pablo the more I see a European version of the same kind of neocon think tank tools that have dominated American TV news for years. Scary.

And the world will live as one

by Montereyan (robert at calitics dot com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 02:33:29 PM EST
Your point about England is another good one as well, and perhaps you can find a quick way to summarize that too.

I really liked your point that it's easier to cast Russia as an enemy than to get our gas and energy policies in shape.

Yes and yes.  


Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:29:25 PM EST
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I liked the english broadcast a lot more than the bits of the french one I caught live this morning.

I think Pablo started out alright blaming the EU for lacking a policy, but that seemed to be his only point. Where is the EU's Energy commissioner, indeed? Has he said anything?

Jerome made the point that liberalizing the electricity market leads to building more gas-powered plants, but that's not an intuitive implication and Jerome didn't have time to emplain why it is so, nor was the issue taken up later.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 02:56:41 PM EST
Finally had time to watch the France 24 bit in English. The moderator was good, fair, and seemed to favour J more as the discussion went on. Pablo was, as others have stated, working from talking points and lost it when J took the discussion to what it should have been about.

Some criticism of DL: nervousness at the beginning - tremor in the voice. But voice tone was fine once J got going. It's normal: faced with lights, lots of things happening in the background and the moment when the red light comes on. Voice control comes with experience. J spoke in a rather quiet voice which can often be a mistake - but in this case worked well. The more you challenge established views, the softer you should speak.

The light grey suit was a mistake. An LGS is always a mistake, unless you are a former KGB operative. Charcoal grey is fine or very dark blue or black. White shirt fine, bold stripes are for moderators. Pale blue tie a bit bland- but nothing too bright.

Facial expressions: a bit grumpy at the beginning, and a bit fidgety. But the one big smile J gave was a killer. Of course smiling can be overdone. The main thing is that look of relaxed confidence without cockiness, and the clear alternating eye contact with those taking part.

And you think it's only the content that matters ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:14:40 PM EST
No, you should have seen J on tv like a year or so ago.  I think it was about the Stop Blair! thing.  No offense, but he was kinda a complete wreck.  Very nervous and all slouched over and such.  This, I think, marks a major improvement in his on-air skills.  Not that I care much about on-air skills.  But he seemed infinitely more put-together and confident this time around.  

I bit chubbier...  Though perhaps we all are this time of year.  

Anyway, I thought he did well.  

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:28:29 PM EST
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I agree. I saw the Blair thing too and have heard the radio interview(s). Jérôme did do well.

But since it is part of my work (and I am going to be helping some Finnish politicians communicate better this coming year) then I don't think it is unfair to point out how to be more skillful in using television know-how to put your message across optimally.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:46:39 PM EST
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My wife agrees about the suit! Grumpy and fidgety is me and hard to work on (and not enugh reasons - yet?-  to do it in a professional way)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:30:00 PM EST
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Well, we have to prepare for great things ;-)

It is not so difficult to prepare for TV - a studio and its inhabitants and technology can be a bit daunting for many. It helps to know in what way people can screw you. A make up artist, for instance, can ruin your appearance in both senses. But of course substance is the main issue, and being comfortable in yourself.

However, we obviously have some big battles coming up, and some of them will be conducted in the media. Battle training is therefore worthwhile.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:40:55 PM EST
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Focusing consciously on your breath (deep breathing) for a few moments before the beginning, can help with the fidgety, but not necessarily with the grumpy. :-)
by Fran on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:41:18 PM EST
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Fran, you are spot on. It is hard to focus in the pandemonium of a TV studio, but like all sportspeople, focus before the event is the thing. Deep breathing is good way to achieve this.

And Never Ever accept an alcoholic drink in the 'green room' ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:59:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
In a conflict or tense situation, the person who speaks more slowly and quietly is usually the one who is in control.  You seem like the ideal person to deal with the grumpy, Fran!  :-)


notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 04:46:25 PM EST
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You performed even better in tonight's debate. It was excellent.

The only (minor) thing: you should put your hands on the table, not in your lap.. ;-)

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:48:02 PM EST
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Is there a link to the night's debate yet?

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:51:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Can't find it. I watched it live (with a lot of interruptions)...:-(

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:58:36 PM EST
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The more you challenge established views, the softer you should speak.

This is advice --less the "big stick"-- I received as a youngster, looking forward to a long life negotiating racist "colleagues" in business. I got no advice on acquiring or honing a "big stick" as it is evidently money, neither moral nor ethic, but purchase power.

Am I right?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:43:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The biggest stick is to walk away and leave them speechless.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:55:32 PM EST
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LOL. Well, that's often occurred, but pretty much left me penniless and scared shitless. Beggaring the question, when is opportunity morally correct?

IF one chooses the equitable path of "wealth" distribution, score two for fuck you, profit minimizer.

IF one chooses the inequitable path of "wealth" distibution, one might earn a penalty shot, depending of course on the referee's visual acuity.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 05:30:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Damn. No-one told me there's a referee...

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 06:57:16 PM EST
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Yes but generally he acts as if he's an extra player for the other side.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 08:34:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Jerome, I sent the links to Sergueï, and his response was:

Je suis d'accord avec ton ami : "cette crise est un coup de théâtre !"


Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:33:32 PM EST
"Coup de theâtre" means a shocking surprise, in French. Or does he mean it as in "theater show"?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 04:15:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, since neither of us are native French speakers - I don't know.  I assumed it meant something along the lines of  a "stunt."  Or theatrics.

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 04:58:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Coup de theâtre

melodrama (n.), melodramatic (adj.) IF I were a professional translator, I would recognize exaggeration of affect even though empiricists such as the Putz are loathe to (hate to) ascribe emotions to inference (to intepretation) of estimates. That is so not scientific.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 05:47:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Merci.  :)

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 06:01:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Jerome's shocking surprise sounds like a shocking truth revealed.

exaggeration of affect(effect?) or something melodramatic rather refers to something that is shocking though less dramatic in reality. So, shock is provoked by an exaggeration of reality, not by truth.

In practical terms, it is still not clear whether poemless' friend considered the gas crisis a shocking surprise or rather a melodramatic event that is far less serious in reality.

by Lily (put - lilyalmond - here <a> yahaah.france) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 06:12:16 PM EST
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Well, if I had to guess the latter.  I mean, he's Russian.  I can't see that he'd be very surprised by any of this.

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 06:14:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
"Affect" is a specialized meaning in psych, expression of emotion. Verify (n.) form. effect (v.) form, common usage, supercedes (v.) form affect, interestingly, to enforce instrumentality.

"Shock" is literally an exaggeration espression of surprise, response to an unanticipated result.

"Coup de theatre" or melodrama WRT to western theatrical lexicon is an apt metaphor for "a melodramatic event that is far less serious in reality" signifying geopolitical crisis never before encountered... as Jerome repudiates.

Having been to a theatre production, prior to head-set mics and possibly not seated in first four orchestra, I'm sure you can relate to "exaggeration" of affect required to relay the actors' roles.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 06:51:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I particularly appreciated that you brought up how gas fired electric turbines are sucking up so much gas.  

For people concerned about "dependence" on Russian gas, this is hardly a viable energy policy if you want to wean off Russian gas. (Or Turkmen gas, perhaps is more accurate.)

Diversification, and the creation of a unified gas infrastructure would allow the former Comecon countries in Eastern Europe to diversify to North African sources, as France, Spain, and Italy have done.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 07:00:23 PM EST
In case you hate being interrupted by buffering every two minutes, here are the direct links to the videos, in order of cuteness of the presenter:

http://flv.france24.com/WB_FR_FACE_A_FACE_12H12M0107.flv (*)
http://flv.france24.com/WB_EN_DEBATE_19H12M0107.flv (*)
http://flv.france24.com/WB_EN_FACE_OFF_12H12M0107.flv (*)
http://flv.france24.com/WB_FR_DEBAT_19H12M0107.flv

Jérôme is in the videos marked (*).

I found the second English debate highly entertaining. Not only is Andrea Sanke the second cutest presenter, but she gives Jérôme the evil eye a couple of times :) My impressions, in no particular order:

* Andrea didn't quite expect to hear what Jérôme had to say.

* The American University professor looked somewhat hostile at first, especially when Jérôme began by saying that Ukraine doesn't pay for gas, but once Jérôme dropped a few names of shareholders and politicians, he started nodding.

* I feel sorry for the Russian journalist. Those phones are always breaking up at the wrong time :)

Analysis: I think the contrast between the presenter and the expert guest is fairly significant. My impression is that Jérôme did not do very well in this interview. The narrative is too far from what people expect right from the beginning, and sounds much like a conspiracy theory. The expert was convinced because Jérôme was in command of facts, percentages, and the names of the players, but the presenter had no such relevant background knowledge to help her believe that Jérôme isn't a bit of a crank. I suspect many television viewers don't have much background either, sadly :(

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by martingale on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:05:41 AM EST
Second half of the big debates:

http://flv.france24.com/WB_EN_DEBATE_19H42M0107.flv (*)
http://flv.france24.com/WB_FR_DEBAT_19H42M0107.flv

Analysis: In the second part, the Russian journalist is replaced by a Harvard professor, and the show gets quite lively. Most of the time is taken by Jérôme correcting the Harvard guy, who is distinctly uncomfortable at having his fundamentals questioned :) My impression is that, while generic tv viewers can't really decide whose facts are correct, Jérôme looks quite comfortable and good at thinking on his feet.

However, I wonder if too much smiling is detrimental to the seriousness of the points. Another more superficial point is that Jérôme is debating two professors, but he has not been introduced by his own title. Since Jérôme's claims are being questioned by established authorities, that puts him at a rhetorical disadvantage - an ordinary viewer who has no knowledge of the facts will put more weight on the words of a professor or doctor than an editor of a magazine or website.

It's a pity that Jérôme's last statement was the end of the show.

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by martingale on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 04:04:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I have to disagree with this analysis.  Overall Jerome came across as the dominant player, in charge of the facts, and with a great deal of detailed knowledge.  His message was:  Russia is not the great Satan.  This is a commercial dispute, there are no end-user gas shortages, and it is in everyone's interest to sort this out sooner rather than later.

The only question which came to my bind is how come the Editor of the European Tribune also finances pipelines?  A true all rounder!

The prof. on the panel was a generalist who could point out some larger issues but had no specific knowledge of the Gas industry.

The American dude was a Russian hater who had drunk the cool aid - everything was all about Russia trying to manipulate the west.  He conceded their might be some Oligarchs in there as well, as this feeds into the western perception of Russia as mafia country, but no one was able to explain why these Oligarchs would want to disrupt he flow of gas to the west.  

The US dude also complained that Gasprom was prepared to sell gas cheaper to Armenia (who are not trying to join Nato) than they are prepared to sell to Ukraine - which is trying to join Nato - as this was evidence enough for him that this was all a dastardly plot by the Russians to punish western leaning nations.  (Has he never heard about pricing eing all an=bout what the market will bear?  And that Ukrfaine has effectively been paying nothing in any case?

Given the complexity of the subject I thought Jerome did remarkably well.  I must say I would always have a notepad and pen in front of me to enable me to doodle or jot down rejoinder points - and perhaps look less fidgety.  However overall, I thought Jerome was remarkably in control for such a complex subject.

My only major concern would be his confident prediction that this will all be over in a couple of days.  Commercial disputes can drag on for a long time, and there is no need for Jerome to give such a hostage to fortune - his thesis doen't depend on this all being resolved in a couple of days, so why risk being discredited if that doesn't happen.  (I would have thought a banker would have been more careful about hedging his bets!! :-)

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 06:39:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]
is Marshall Goldman, a senior commentator on Russia in the US.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 06:50:29 PM EST
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The more impressive his CV, the more impressive that you came across as more authoritative. His only point -that that you couldn't instantly rebut was that Russian Oil exports are a factor of 4 or 5 times more important than gas.  Quite what the relevance of that point was to the debate was unclear, but your mental arithmetic in seeing to work out the relative importance from raw data was almost more impressive than the fact that you didn't have the answer at the top of your head.

If I was your employer I would be thinking:

  1.  How can we use this guy in a more front of the house/senior role
  2. If we don't promote him in some way someone else will grab him - must talk to him about his future aspirations
  3. Will his ET stuff distract from his value to us
  4.  Or does he really want to become a journalist/think tank guru/media pundit?
  5. We need to figure out how we can develop his talents/experience to mutual satisfaction and benefit

If I were you I would be keeping my boss (provided he is a sympathetic figure) in the loop as to your media activities.  Do you have an agent to promote your media profile?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 07:12:30 PM EST
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Gas WILL be restored soon.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 06:50:51 PM EST
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Pretty quickly now, I'd predict (and I'm not a predicty kind of person).

In a draft on this issue that has not been used for publication, I wrote:

So are we, at this moment, watching the mother of all gas battles between Russia and Ukraine? The chances are that the dispute will be settled behind the scenes and a makeshift compromise offered to public view - that Western media will accept without too much scrutiny because the narrative of the Russian bear threatening Europe is, for several reasons, a compelling one.

"International observers", "EU monitors", seem at the moment to be the puppets of this compromise, and a return to gas supplies for Europe is being touted this morning on that basis. As soon as they register a token presence, things should calm down.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 04:27:08 AM EST
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I wonder if you're looking at this too much from an ET reader's point of view? I would like to point out by the way that whatever I say below and above, I found Jérôme's performance impressive and good - my analysis is not at all intended to denigrate.

People on ET have the strong advantage, when viewing the videos, of already knowing what is being said as well as what is not being said. Everything Jérôme brought up in the interviews has been discussed and challenged here before, and we trust his judgement on these issues.

An ordinary viewer of France24 has no such knowledge. Jérôme is unknown. This is the first time the viewer has seen him, and he is introduced as an editor of ET, which the average viewer has never heard of - European Tribune sounds like some kind of newspaper, but it's not on the shelves to be bought. Nobody knows he's a banker working in energy (**).

The ordinary viewer does know the face of the show's presenter, and knows the faces of regular guests. I don't know if the other guests in those interviews are regulars or not, but (ceteris paribus) the title of professor at the American university of Paris, and the Harvard logo plastered all over the other professor's video background does stack the credibility in their favour, again, for the ordinary viewer.

The facial expressions of the presenter in the first part, too, IMHO, do not help to gain Jérôme credibility towards ordinary viewers. What certainly does help Jérôme's credibility is when the other guests nod approval.

Remember, the ordinary viewer does not verify facts - he judges the performance on the day. When all the guests approve of a statement, then that is evidence of statistical correlation with the truth and makes people trust the person who makes the statement. When guests disagree, that causes people to wonder a little bit if the person making the statement can be trusted.

Jérôme did an admirable job at gaining credibility when he corrected Goldman in the second part of the interview, but my impression is that he lost a lot of credibility early which he had to claw back, and I don't know the final total. Again, credibility matters much, I think, because Jérôme has no standing with the ordinary france24 viewer to begin with.

In all the interviews, I feel that Jérôme has a tendency to make shocking statements early. Things like Ukraine doesn't pay for gas, for example. This is a shocking statement, it flies in the face of common sense. To the viewer, a person who makes such a statement is either a nutter, or (possibly) a smart person who wants to shock. Because Jérôme is unknown and has no trust capital to begin with, I believe most people put him in the nutter category. Then he has to reclaim authority by explaining things, and he certainly manages to do it. Overall, I think that's a rhetorical mistake(*).

The smiling in that case doesn't help either. When somebody makes a statement while smiling, they advertise that the statement shouldn't be taken at face value. But in the beginning, Jérôme hasn't said anything yet! So the very first thing he's saying is: dont' trust my statement, or maybe: I'm not taking my role seriously. It does not build credibility.

The other problem with making gratuitous shocking statements is that it puts the other guests on the defensive, and ipso facto sends a message to the viewers that there is no agreement here, so what's said cannot be simply trusted.

Finally, I'm not sure I agree with all the smiling during the argument with the Harvard professor. It was obvious that Jérôme was enjoying nailing him, but the question is what did it look like for ordinary viewers? For me, it's possible that Jérôme came across as argumentative - somebody who enjoys contradicting people for the sake of contradiction rather than truth. Of course facial expressions are involuntary, but I think that a face that conveyed sadness at having to correct the misinformation propagated by Goldman would be (rhetorically) preferable.

(*) It would not be such a rhetorical mistake if he was introduced as an investment banker with $NAMEOFBANK specializing in energy. Of course, he's not introduced that way, and the blunder is in forgetting that he hasn't been introduced in that way.

(**) Would Goldman have been more circumspect if he had known? He clearly didn't know, since Jérôme had to point out that he studies the gas industry as part of his job. Did the other guest and the presenter learn this factoid during the break? They seemed to me somewhat less hostile in the second part.

p.s. There's an interesting contrast with the French big debate, in which Jérôme didn't take part. It's true that in the French debate, there was no need to counter British or American narratives, but ignoring this important point, what struck me was that many of Jérôme's points arose in that debate as well, but in a much less controversial manner.

The journalist Pierre Lorrain expressed and defended many of Jérôme's ideas. I don't know if he learned them from Jérôme's articles or independently, but in terms of pure television - and I don't intend to be offensive - I think that Lorrain was better in Jérôme's role than Jérôme. He's a good television commentator worth emulating, and I applaud france24 for picking him. For example, he started off with the same idea that Ukraine doesn't pay Russia as Jérôme, but didn't try to make a shocking point out of it. He actually gained credibility straightaway (IMHO) by sharing facts like a teacher.

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by martingale on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:52:09 PM EST
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Your points about the credibility of my statements are well taken. The participants to the discussion did know that I was an investment banker familiar with Gazprom, but this was not introduced on TV, unfortunately.

That's one of the pitfalls of my position, where I comment in a personal capacity but using expertise which is to a good extent of professional nature (which I cannot bring up officially).

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 04:46:23 AM EST
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I understand that very well, and I believe it is right and proper to keep the two roles entirely separate. And of course it's much easier for me to make armchair criticisms after the fact, than for you to perform perfectly in a live studio.

I found interesting that Pierre Lorrain had the following byline: journaliste, écrivain, spécialiste de la Russie. It doesn't point out his affiliations, but still reassures the viewer, even though objectively such descriptions are of course meaningless. In your FT article, you're "an investment banker" first, and an editor second. Since you're not employed by a university, it might also be a good idea to list your doctorate in some bylines - just to get appearances right of course.

In the end, what really matters is what you say though, and I think in that respect you have nothing to improve at all.

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by martingale on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 06:41:38 AM EST
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Right, Jerome could be introduced as an "investment banker in energy" (with no affiliation stated) and the editor of ET.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 07:06:31 AM EST
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And with a PhD in Russian-Ukrainian energy relations and conflicts

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 07:52:51 AM EST
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or even an "analyst specializing in energy issues" - what's the usual term for commentators who have an area of expertise?

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by martingale on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 09:08:21 AM EST
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I'm not trying to put myself into the position of the average France24 English version viewer because I don't know what kind of audience they have.  Having such an extended debate on quite an arcane topic - even if it plays to people's energy and Russia fears - is quite unusual in popular TV an Irish context, and I don't know what the split would have been between informed intellectuals/practitioners and the general viewership who would have been only half watching/listening in any case, and perhaps just wondering who the cute new boy on the block is.  Having a go at some American professor trying to bash Russia/Europe/whatever will also play well with a different demographic.

However I viewed Jeromes' objectives for the interview quite differently.  He is not going to have an appreciable effect on public opinion in just one discussion anyway, but what he CAN do is establish himself as an interesting and independent new voice who should be consider for further programming opportunities by program makers and (say) conference organisers.

In this context, what is important is that he is:

  1. Presentable
  2. Articulate
  3. Coherent
  4. Comprehensible to a range of people
  5. Authoritative
  6. Interesting and different

In that context, the fact that Jerome was quiet spoken and calm - which works well on television, but still had some quite strident things to say and was not afraid to contradict other contributors makes for very GOOD TELEVISION.

You don't want some party hack who is just going to mouth some generalised clichés as Pablo did in the first discussion.

Thus if you take Jerome's primary objective to be to establish himself as a new, independent, credible, and authoritative voice suitable for consideration for future programming on energy matter, then I think he succeeded very well.

The finer points of his presentation to a popular audience he can work on - once he becomes a more regular contributor on these kinds of programs!

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 08:09:44 AM EST
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I second you analysis. Too bad Jérôme couldn't show graphs! ;-)

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 08:37:16 AM EST
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My understanding is that france24 is Chirac's answer to BBC world news and CNN and Deutsche Welle TV etc. It's a news channel primarily intended to educate the barbarian hordes about the French point of view
Launched on December 2006, FRANCE 24 is the new 24/7 international news channel. Its mission is to cover international current events from a French perspective and to convey French values throughout the world.

That's a pretty broad demographic, you're certainly part of it :)



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by martingale on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 09:01:53 AM EST
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notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 12:51:01 PM EST
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Parlez-vous Français?

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 01:37:23 PM EST
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un petit peu - mais sont tout les Anglophones barbarians?

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 01:49:56 PM EST
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Du point de vue de la France, tous les anglophones qui ne sont pas des francophones, evidemment. :-)

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 01:52:57 PM EST
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Parle martingale pour La France?  Et toi, Espagnol, pour qui parlez-vous ??

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 02:05:51 PM EST
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Eheu, verum! Sic C. Julius Caesar dixit!



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by martingale on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 08:43:35 PM EST
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Two more thoughts.  I don't like your nuclear weapon analogy.  Unfortunately I believe that tactical nuclear weapons WILL be used sooner or later - to devastating effect - possibly by Israel which appears to have consider their use against Iranian nuclear facilities.  In any case the concept of MAD -Mutually Assured Destruction is not well understood generally...

Secondly, The answer to the question: Who is to blame, Russia or Ukraine?  Is really quite simple.

We are - for not having a coherent energy policy...

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 07:43:59 AM EST
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The FT article was translated and published by NRC Handelsblad

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 06:52:07 PM EST
This is a bit after the fact, but France 24 aired a short piece with Jerome on the Chicago broadcast.  It was actually not one of the debates, but a snippet of an interview of him outside the building, it looked like.

Nice coat, J. :)

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Sat Jan 10th, 2009 at 02:31:54 PM EST
yes, that was yet another interview they did.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Jan 10th, 2009 at 03:21:48 PM EST
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Linky?

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 04:41:50 AM EST
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Frobes

Le Temps


Pour déchiffrer l'énigme, il faut d'abord comprendre que Gazprom, sachant qu'il avait très peu de chances de se faire payer par la voie officielle, a commencé dès le milieu des années 90 à livrer directement de gros clients ukrainiens comme Azovstal, un géant de la métallurgie, en encaissant ses factures via des entités tierces. RUE n'est que le dernier avatar de ces intermédiaires opaques dont le destin semble lié à la grâce ou disgrâce de quelques oligarques dont ils remplissent les poches.

Sur trois ans, RUE a versé 2,5 milliards de francs suisses de bénéfices à ses actionnaires, après avoir versé 228 millions d'impôts à la Suisse. A part la Confédération, qui profite de ces sommes considérables? On ne le sait pas vraiment. Le banquier d'affaires Jérôme Guillet, qui connaît bien le secteur pour avoir travaillé six mois en Ukraine dans les tumultueuses années 90, est convaincu que derrière les gesticulations politiques à Kiev ou Moscou, des clans puissants continuent de s'attribuer la rente du gaz. Loin de témoigner de la poigne de Poutine, les propos musclés du Kremlin signalent au contraire un contrôle encore chancelant sur les oligarques aux dents longues.

L'affaire ne nous concernerait guère si RUE, société de droit suisse, n'avait appelé le Conseil fédéral à l'aide dans ses conflits ukrainiens permanents. Embarrassante démarche! Car l'intermédiaire zougois est lui-même «un des enjeux clés de la dispute actuelle», souligne Tom Mayne, de Global Witness qui lui a consacré un rapport très critique. Un enjeu qui irrite beaucoup l'Union européenne, dont un quart du gaz vient de Russie, via l'Ukraine pour l'essentiel.



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 03:35:41 PM EST


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