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Dear Britain, if you stay in the EU, you will ruin our lives. Here is why | Jean Quatremer | Opinion | The Guardian
I'll be honest - it's not really in your interest to leave the EU. It's obvious that Brexit campaigners are lying to you in claiming that, alone, you'll do better in a world that's already dominated by the US, Asia and, soon, Africa. The Europe that they vilify is largely in your hands ideologically - it already governs 28 nations in your own language.

But I digress. I'm defending the EU's point of view, and it's in its interest that you leave. If you stay, you will ruin our lives: David Cameron will become the only European leader capable of winning a referendum on Europe, and will therefore gain a central role in the EU. He and his successors will then negotiate concession after concession in order to completely bury the federal dream of the fathers of Europe and transform the continent into a free market zone with less and less backbone.

Any hope of a European resurgence will be also be buried. The EU is already dying, despite the wish of European governments to extend its remit. Across the continent, the scene is dominated by nationalists who have hijacked the debate and sometimes power itself, such as in eastern Europe. European values have been blown to smithereens, as evident in the curbing of the right to asylum. And ruling parties think that an election can only result in victory for Eurosceptic groups (though the Austrian presidential election proved the opposite).

Caveat emptor: this is Quatremer. YMMV.

by Bernard on Sat Jun 4th, 2016 at 01:42:38 PM EST
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I don't see Cameron gaining "a central role," but that isn't necessary for the EU keep going down the austerity rabbit hole.  The continent has a sufficiently virulent case of neoliberalitis to accomplish the Ueberklass Dream without having to have Cameron lead the parade.
by rifek on Wed Jun 8th, 2016 at 06:51:08 PM EST
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No single market access for UK after Brexit, Wolfgang Schäuble says | Politics | The Guardian

Germany's finance minister, Wolfgang Schäuble, has slammed the door on Britain retaining access to the single market if it votes to the leave the European Union.

In an interview in a Brexit-themed issue of German weekly Der Spiegel, the influential veteran politician ruled out the possibility of the UK following a Swiss or Norwegian model that would allow it to enjoy the benefits of the single market without being an EU member.

"That won't work," Schäuble told Der Spiegel. "It would require the country to abide by the rules of a club from which it currently wants to withdraw. If the majority in Britain opts for Brexit, that would be a decision against the single market. In is in. Out is out. One has to respect the sovereignty of the British people."

by Bernard on Sat Jun 11th, 2016 at 04:54:05 AM EST
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The leave camp seem to be pulling ahead at the moment.

There's a sort of "tear it all down" attitude. Which is all right for the wealthy among them, but I'm quite sure that majority of the UK will be seriously impoverished.

Oddly, there's seem to be a groundswell for leave in the City, which will be decimated.

I'm feeling more than a bit apprehensive now

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Jun 11th, 2016 at 11:33:55 AM EST
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My neighbour - possibly quite sharp - said that she was voting out because the EU was going to collapse anyway (probably true) and because only the Brexiters were showing any enthusiasm for the future, while Remain were pitching their choice as the least bad outcome.

There was patriotism mixed in there as well - she almost literally said Brexit would give the UK a chance to "Make Britain great again."

The referendum has turned into a toxic stew of misattribution and misdirection. Instead of aiming blame where it belongs - the financial industries and their Thatcherite protectors - the Brexiters have successfully pinned the blame on immigrants and foreigners.

And a lot of people in the UK are stupid enough to fall for it. So it goes...

The positivity argument is interesting though. It's something the left does too little of and the right does insincerely. (See also, Trump.)

It seems to be true that a lot of people are desperate to hear the message that maybe their country (it's not limited to the UK) isn't just a cesspool of greed, hopelessness, and corruption, but might actually be capable of better things.

This is what Trump and the Brexiters are selling, and they're certainly finding buyers. It's what Obama sold with his hopey-changey shtick.

None of the above were seriously interested in delivering. But as a message, it's a very powerful one.

Combined with real progressive intent it could be a game changer.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Jun 11th, 2016 at 07:48:54 PM EST
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Bernie Sanders tried some of that, but his campaign was all a bit "too little, too late" to really make an impact.

And he was also up against the juggernaut that was the Hillary campaign, which is gonna crush Trump and possibly win both House and Senate. This is the democrats time, if only they can seize the chance.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jun 12th, 2016 at 04:51:34 AM EST
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And his personal demenaour is just more suited to righteous anger than it is to positivity and hope.  
by Zwackus on Sun Jun 12th, 2016 at 05:22:49 AM EST
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