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I probably should have commented that I think the American health care system needs significant improvement.  I don't want to be viewed as an apologist for the current state of affairs.

There used to be a survey of opinions on the healthcare systems in the UK, US, and Canada.  I haven't seen it in many years.  I'll have to see if I can find it.  I also have Canadian friends, and hear a little more about the problems.  So for example, they love living so close to the US, because they can just come across the border and pay for a surgical or endovascular procedure (pay since of course they don't have US health insurance), rather than waiting months for the procedures.

By the way, I'm just realizing that I should have recognized that we miscommunicated on our early posts about waiting.  On my original post, I was referring to the practise of having to wait to get a surgery done.  For example for years the average wait in the UK for an elderly person to get a hip replacement was one year.  So you are 75 years old, in pain, in the latter part of your life and wanting to have as high a quality life as possible, and you have to wait a year for the surgery.  I'm not up to date on the waiting list for that procedure today--and I know the UK is raising significantly the money spent on healthcare so maybe they are lower.  But I don't think many Americans are aware of this aspect of nationalized healthcare.

But, just not to be branded a capitalist here, my own solution to this healthcare crisis is a combination of the US and UK type healthcare systems.  they both have +/-'s.  Another minus is when I was familiar with it 10+ years ago, they were 6 to 7 years behind us in adopting new technologies.  But I shouldn't go on here, as I can't yet take the time to really get into this one.

by wchurchill on Thu Oct 13th, 2005 at 10:17:39 PM EST
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This is a wait -- four months without part of your skull while insurance haggles.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3706631.stm

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 13th, 2005 at 11:02:21 PM EST
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yes I agree this was total incomptence in this particular case.  But do you think we can't do a review of the UK and France and find similar incompetence?

these individual problems are heart rending and important.  but I dont think we'll fiond beaurocrartic incomptence limited to Americans, english, rrench , etc.

by wchurchill on Fri Oct 14th, 2005 at 05:59:20 AM EST
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Yes, I realize this was sort of a one-off incident and I did use it as sort of a cheap shot for its shock value, but I think the important point of the story was that this was not incompetence -- it was refusal to pay.

Incompetence I can see -- they lost the skull fragment or dropped her off the schedule or something.  This is different from that.

And there actually is a ton of evidence that our system is broken.  My Unbossed colleague, em dash, has writes a lot on the subject.  Here's a sample:

Code Blue!  Stat!

The Healthcare Crisis and Homeland Security

And my favorite:

Give the Gift of Love:  Buy Grandpa a Pill Splitter for Father's Day!

She's got a lot of good posts in there and they're loaded with statistics, studies, and links.


Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 14th, 2005 at 04:02:23 PM EST
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