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I'm just reading and passing thru here, as I got work to do...but wchurchill, when you bold words it feels like you're yelling. Do you need to? Are you angry at the conversation? I have always felt you have made strong and intelligent arguments in conversations here, without having to yell...for me, it causes me to miss your points, actually. Aw...I probably sound like blog police...which I don't want to do, but, my point is that you may be obscuring your points with your emphasis.

And this keeps coming here at ET, in general, where in Europe we are having to defend ourselves from a pretty constant onslaught from the British/American press, that suggest that the European way of doing things is lazy, underachieving, no good, etc...in comparison to those two systems. Yet when people here push back, I have seen a number of American commenters take it like a personal attack...then things gets heated. It's weird...and uncomfortable

Being an American living in Europe, I have really begun to see first hand how the American agressive AND defenseive attitude has really caused ill will towards the US...and I've really grown to feel more stroongly that the US needs to mellow out. It's shit stinks like everyone elses...

Please, let's not get personal...

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia

by whataboutbob on Wed Oct 12th, 2005 at 09:14:07 AM EST
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thank you for that insight.  I was actually using it to highlight certain comments, not having thought that it was like yelling.  I'm new to blogging and have very limited HTML skills.  But now that you mention it, I can see the logic that bolding would be like yelling.  and since that's the case, it really is hurting my arguments.

When I lived in Europe I quickly saw how much louder the Americans were than the Europeans, particularly at restaurants.  I'm actually quiet by nature anyway, but I hadn't really noticed it when I lived in America, because it was just the was it was.  I was embarrassed for the Americans in these restaurants.

I didn't see the other point, re: American aggressive/defensiveness.  I wasn't in an American community, nor around a lot of Americans.  I actually valued, value, greatly the European system and life style--I wasn't attacking, and I wasn't attacked.  (Though I do remember in the chit chat before staff meetings, if a question about American politics came up, all heads would turn to me to explain what our President was doing now--which of course some times, I didn't know either.  But it was lighthearted.)  So maybe that explains the difference of our experiences on that point, or maybe times havce changed on this, as I've spent little time in Europe the last four years.  

But I must admit that I have felt called to defend by comments on this website--particularly when I find them inaccurate.  It's been a litle odd for me, because it's a role reversal from my normal life, where I often explain the European system to American friends and colleagues less familiar with it.  I choose the word explain rather than defend, because among my colleagues and friends, there is basically no prediliction to attack the European system.  The tone of the discussion is always more questioning, dialoguing.  In fact, as I'm writing this, it's so rare to have an attacking type discussion, that I can remember a rare exception.  I was complaining at a dinner table about the high combined US tax rates, when you added the then 9.5% California state tax, and a 39.5% Federal tax (which it was then).  A Swiss gent kind of "went off" on my comment, (I think Swiss) saying it was nothing like the tax rates in Switzerland and I should feel lucky to live in California and be able to keep half the money I earned.  People at the table were taken aback by his tone, somewhat embarrassed, and changed the subject quickly.

by wchurchill on Wed Oct 12th, 2005 at 01:31:29 PM EST
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My head blew off (in Izzy's stead), but afew and whataboutbob could put it much better to you...

...having cooled down, I apologise for the namecalling!

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Oct 12th, 2005 at 02:41:36 PM EST
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thank you, and I realize that some of my remarks were intemperate, and apologize for that.
by wchurchill on Wed Oct 12th, 2005 at 03:12:40 PM EST
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We shall avoid what befell BooTrib recently :-)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Oct 12th, 2005 at 06:11:54 PM EST
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what happened there?
by wchurchill on Wed Oct 12th, 2005 at 08:00:14 PM EST
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An all-out flamewar between those who wanted to support the troops and those who thought they aren't exempt from blame.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Oct 13th, 2005 at 11:10:57 AM EST
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Wchurchill, you could use italics, you know? They are a little less intimidating.

By the way, under the "Post comment" window you can find a list of allowed HTML tags. They come in open/close pairs and they are mostly self-explanatory.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 14th, 2005 at 05:08:48 PM EST
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