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There you are!  I've caught up with you at last.  I'm sorry you feel that this discussion is "bashing."  And I moved it to a new diary because I didn't want to further derail Colman's very good and eminently sensible discussion on unemployment statistics.

That said, why is it bashing to establish the problems that exist in the US system?  Part of the reason heated statements get made about it is that, for some reason, no one wants to admit the problems are here or the extent of them.

And there were not many factually inaccurate statements, merely some strong ones which needed clarification and, for the most part, turned out to be true in context or in certain situations.

Now.  My goal with bringing this discussion to the fore is certainly not to bash anyone.  My goal is to a) establish the nature and scope of the problem; b) discuss said problem and compare and contrast with an eye to finding root causes and ultimately; c) solutions.

I find it particularly helpful to discuss this in an intelligent, international setting such as this one because those who live in different cultures and systems can give me perspectives I can't get otherwise.  Also, I believe that many of these problems we have are global and will require some kind of global solution.  This will entail reaching out and promoting understanding.  It seems to me we can learn some things from our European friends.

So, when we discuss problems is this bashing?  The statement you quote above -- is it not a valid question in light of 45 million people without healthcare?  20% of our children living in poverty?  over a million people including whole families sleeping outside on any given night? -- why aren't we demanding changes?  Why can't we even talk about it?  We need to establish the reality of the problem before we can fix it.

Look at what Katrina exposed, the situation in New Orleans, then read the WSJ article I quoted and tell me which side is doing the bashing.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Oct 12th, 2005 at 10:53:32 PM EST
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