EuroPDB: October 24, 2005 | 16 comments (16 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: EuroPDB: October 24, 2005 (none / 1)

I was going to put this in the Brekfast thread, but it's fitting here to welcome you back here on Eurotrib, soj:

just an illusion (don't always believe what you see...)

VERY happy to see you back!

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Oct 24th, 2005 at 04:21:38 AM EST

Re: EuroPDB: October 24, 2005 (none / 1)

soj, it's a real pleasure to see you back! (Hopefully to stay!)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Oct 24th, 2005 at 04:30:34 AM EST

Re: EuroPDB: October 24, 2005 (none / 1)

That long shmooze between Straw and Rice seems to me indicative of a new will to push ahead with the neocon agenda. The links between London and Washington are much closer -- in terms of detailed, lockstep progression, particularly on propaganda -- than is often realized. (Witness the information recently made public about the WHIG and its origins, in which Downing Street played an integral part). Tie this in with the present noise about Syria and that convenient report.

They've learned nothing from Iraq and they don't see any downside to lying, spinning, and cheating.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Oct 24th, 2005 at 04:40:44 AM EST

Re: EuroPDB: October 24, 2005 (none / 0)

they don't see any downside to lying, spinning, and cheating.

Are they wrong about that? All opposition (whether from Old Europe or from Democrats, sadly there is apparetnly no such thing as an "opposition" in the UK anymore) has been steamrolled or intimidated into powerlessness thanks to the plian media.

It's going to take a catastrohpe of major proportions to actually stop these people.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Oct 24th, 2005 at 05:04:35 AM EST
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Re: EuroPDB: October 24, 2005 (none / 1)

They have already used catastrophes of major proportions to "change the rules of the game". It's going to take a mobilization of the second superpower, "world public opinion" to defeat the neocons.

By the way, "neocon" conjures in my mind weveral amusing word associations. In English, "neo con-man" and "we have been neo-conned". In French, "neo-connerie".

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Oct 24th, 2005 at 06:06:02 AM EST
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Condoleeza Rice and FM Jack Straw - BBC Interview (none / 0)

U.S. and Britain Demand Action on Syria

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice and British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw demanded "a firm response from the international community" to a UN report which implicated senior Syrian officials in the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik al-Hariri.

The two appeared Sunday in a joint interview with BBC Television and charged Syria with "at the very least... not co-operating" with the investigation by chief UN investigator Detlev Mehlis.

Rice said the report indicated a cover-up by Syrian officials and called it "very disturbing". The U.S. is calling for an immediate high-level UN Security Council meeting to formulate a response to the findings.

Straw says action needed on Syria

BBC NEWS: VIDEO AND AUDIO
Syria 'not co-operating' says Rice US secretary of state:
Syria is 'not co-operating' in the wake of a report on the
death of Lebanese ex-PM Rafik Hariri. 23/10/2005

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

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by Oui (Oui) on Mon Oct 24th, 2005 at 02:50:21 PM EST
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Soj Glad To See You Back at the Typewriter (none / 1)

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Good Night ... Beautiful U.S. West Coasters
Welcome and Good Morning Europe!

What's hitting the Good News wires in European countries on this cool Monday morning?

U.K. parrot from Suriname - in quarantine - was infected with H5N1 Avian flu virus from Asian birds at U.K. location!

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Suriname Wildlife

UN Millennium Development Goals

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

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by Oui (Oui) on Mon Oct 24th, 2005 at 06:10:29 AM EST

Migration Routes Bird Flu H5N1 Risks (none / 0)

BBC News - H5N1 Avian Flu In Depth

Previous diary with many links to references ::

H5N1 :: Avian Flu Hits Romanian Danube Delta :: Bird Refuge
Sat Oct 8th, 2005 at 01:13:50 PM PST

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"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

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by Oui (Oui) on Mon Oct 24th, 2005 at 09:44:12 AM EST
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Syria-Iraq Border and Euphrates river valley (none / 0)

PEACE!

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Tal Afar Coverage in Diaries ...

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New Precision MLRS Helps In Battle For Tal Afar - Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System (GMLRS) was first test-fired outside of the U.S. earlier this summer near Tikrit, Iraq.

Tal Afar and U.S. destruction of cities, villages and bridges
near Syrian border in Euphrates river valley ::

● U.S. Forces Destroy Eight Bridges over Euphrates
Sat Oct 8th, 2005 at 01:17:23 AM PST

● Iraq today - Iron Fist replaces :: Operation Restoring Rights
Sat Oct 1st, 2005 at 05:18:27 AM PST

● Balad 3-car bombs 85 killed & 110 wounded ¶ Tal Afar : Bomber Kills 8
● Kabul Suicide Kills 12
Wed Sep 28th, 2005 at 02:53:24 AM PST

● CNNi BREAKING :: Wave of Violence in Central Iraq Kills over 180 Persons
Wed Sep 14th, 2005 at 05:58:10 AM PST

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A grab from video footage released on Sept. 20, shows weapons which Iraqi police confiscated from two undercover British soldiers (SAS) after their arrest in Basra, southern Iraq.

Support allegiance to Moqtada Al Sadr spreads to Basra --
UK pressured, Blair links unrest to Iran ::

● Iraq Arrest Warrant for 2 UK SAS Soldiers :: J'Accuse Iran of IED Bomb Terror
Sat Sep 24th, 2005 at 01:55:16 PM PST

● TIMELINE :: Basra Police Station - Jail Break - MoD Lies ¶ IRAN Crusade
Wed Sep 21st, 2005 at 02:25:47 PM PST

● Stand-off Basra :: Iraqi vs UK Forces - Riots After UK Soldiers Arrested
Mon Sep 19th, 2005 at 06:56:10 AM PST

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

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by Oui (Oui) on Mon Oct 24th, 2005 at 06:24:51 AM EST

Welcome back (none / 1)

...it's so good to see you in action again, soj.

by canberra boy (canberraboy1 at gmail dot com) on Mon Oct 24th, 2005 at 06:26:49 AM EST

War Declaration with Israel in Mind ... (none / 1)

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~ Cross-posted from SusanHu's diary ::
NSC Chief Hadley asked Italy for a Bashar Replacement ~

U.S. Middle East policy touching Israel --
ISRAEL! :: read Haaretz News

Pax Americana for a stable Middle East

WH and U.S. Congress preparation in comparison with EU cooperation with Syria

A Country Study: Syria

US Sends Al Qaeda Suspects to Syria for Torture

After the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on New York City and Washington, the Bush administration adopted a policy called "extraordinary rendition" that permitted the transfer of a small number of terrorist suspects to nations that employed brutal interrogation methods illegal in the U.S.

In recent years, the government's "rendition" policy has greatly expanded, with estimates placing the number of U.S.-held prisoners transferred to nations employing torture at 150. Those who have been subject to the policy include Maher Arar, a Canadian citizen who was detained in New York City and then sent to Syria, where he suffered months of torture before being released without charge.

Another prisoner, Mamdouh Habib, accused of training several of the 9/11 hijackers, was held in the U.S.-run Guantanamo Bay, Cuba detention facility and later transferred to Egypt where he claims he was beaten and burned.

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Syria as "Low Hanging Fruit" ◊ by Patrick Lang
Sun Oct 23rd, 2005 at 03:39:05 PM PST

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

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by Oui (Oui) on Mon Oct 24th, 2005 at 07:13:50 AM EST

Re: EuroPDB: October 24, 2005 (none / 0)

soj, good to see you back!

Addition on the municipal elections in Vienna - full results:

SPÖ (Social Democrats):    49,03% (plus 2,12)
ÖVP (conservatives)    18,75% (plus 2,36)
FPÖ (post-Haider far right):    14,88% (minus 5,28)
Die Grünen (Greens):    14,67% (plus 2,22)
KPÖ (communists):    1,46% (plus 0,82)
BZÖ (Haider's new breakaway far right):    1,15%

You see the FPÖ actually shrunk, even with BZÖ added, but given that the Vianne FPÖ leader is much more openly xenophobic than Haider was, this near 15% is still scary. (...and if only 0.22% had gone to the Greens instead of SPÖ, headlines would be different...)

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Mon Oct 24th, 2005 at 08:42:45 AM EST

Re: EuroPDB: October 24, 2005 (none / 0)

...forgot the seats (100 total):

* SPÖ: 55 (+3)
* ÖVP: 18 (+2)
* Grüne: 14 (+3)
* FPÖ: 13 (-8)

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Mon Oct 24th, 2005 at 08:46:55 AM EST
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Scary 15% (none / 0)

I have commented before that it seems clear that across Europe there is a 15% of the population that will vote for authoritarian xebophobic parties given the chance. Scary as it is, I don't think it will go away. We have to learn to live with it.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Oct 24th, 2005 at 09:01:45 AM EST
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Re: EuroPDB: October 24, 2005 (none / 1)

soj, nice to have you back!

by Fran on Mon Oct 24th, 2005 at 12:21:53 PM EST

Re: EuroPDB: October 24, 2005 (none / 0)

Having you two, I don't need to read any papers :-)

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Mon Oct 24th, 2005 at 02:53:06 PM EST
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EuroPDB: October 24, 2005 | 16 comments (16 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

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